tv Lockup Wabash MSNBC December 3, 2011 6:00pm-7:00pm PST
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we have also given one of the cameras to our cameramen to tell their own stories. and one of them turns out to be a very familiar face. >> sticks and stones may break my bones but words will nifr hurt me. on the western send of ind sinned carlisle. main street cone injures images of a by gone era. except for the dalg passing of the csx freight liner, this one
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town might be all but forgotten. a couple miles down u.s. 41 is evidence that carlisle is anything but forgotten. >> it's 2 1/2 hours away from everywhere. it's just in the middle of nowhere. what goes on out here? prison. that's what goes on out here. >> surrounded by little else but big skies, the correctional facilty houses more than 2,000 convicted felons. including some of the highest security prisoners in the state. it is a fortress among farms. >> the inner fence is a stun fence. the other fence is covered with razor ribbon.
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we have shake area larmz, motion detector in between the fences. so we think our perimeter is very, very secure for us. >> security is tight inside the perimeter as well, especially in the secured confinement unit which houses the prison's most violent and disruptive inmates. today, internal affairs investigator frank little john has been called to the unit to investigate a report that possible escape paraphernalia has been found inside a cell. >> last night an officer had looked inside the cell and observed a sculpt tour object. we refer to it as a dummy like object which is escape paraphernalia. so they conducted a shakedown about this guy's cell. during that cell they also found an 11-foot rope. so when you put the 11 foot rope with the sculpture of the face, then that gives concerns that a guy might be planning a possibility of an escape. >> this here is actually the head that was removed from the
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cell. and then this here is the rope. it is about 11 feet long. if he were to get out of the cell and a body like object in his cell, staff might walk by and especially fli the lighting is bad in the cell and just at first glance looking through a cell door and you see this and it could be possibly somebody laying there when it's this. >> the inmate, and whose cell the items were found is a nigerian born prisoner. he is serving 38 years for the armed robbery and battery of two other nigerian immigrants. >> he has the violent history in the department of correction. that's why he's in this unit. possession of weapons. so he poses a serious risk to the facility. >> right here. >> what was found in your cell
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last night? >> a sculpt tour i was making for my son. they found rope. i was using it as a jump rope. i have high blood pressure. >> what was the rope made from? >> i don't know. i guess clothes. i use that to skip rope. >> did you make the rope? >> i didn't make the rope. >> how long ago was that? >> a couple months. >> so you got the rope for two months? >> no, like i said, like five -- no. >> he says that he got the rope off of the range a few months ago when they were cleaning out cells which is hard to believe. the head isn't as big a concern. the rope is what is concerning. and he said that it was for exercises. i'm not buying at at this point. >> do you understand why we have concerns with an offender having an 11 foot rope. >> i don't know. whatever it is, it got nothing to do with us. >> did you know you're not allowed to have ropes? >> where am i going? >> with an 11 foot rope, i mean,
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you can climb with it. >> i guess so. i'm in a secured dog. >> i've been in here for several years. i've had offenders climb with a rope in here. in the secure units. >> for one, he has assault on staff. it can be used to hang somebody, choke somebody. it could be used to climb a fence. i mean there's multiple things that this could be done with that would not be a good thing for us. >> he is placed in a separate holding cell while a team of corrections officers assemble to search his cell again even more closely than the last time. >> we want to tap on the blocks to make sure nobody is trying to get through the cell wall. >> you start on this side and then circle around the room. >> we're just checking all the bricks and make sure we don't
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have any soft spots. when we do shakedowns like this we look through all of their books, all their paperwork, see if we can't find any notes, types, anything like that. we get a lot of our information. >> sometimes they like to hide them in the bible. they stick them in the middle or right in here. >> officials find no other escape paraphernalia in his cell. >> right now he is facing a class b conduct report for escape paraphernalia found in his risk last night. >> without knowing the intentions of that, you just never know if it could be an arts and crafts issue or two weeks from now could we be be looking for him on the streets with this laying in his bed. >> coming up -- >> if you make the wrong choice, it has consequences. >> one of the most infamous inmates in indiana tries to start a new life at wabash. and later. an investigation takes a
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most of the inmates at this correctional facilty measure sentences not in years but in decades. there is a lot of time to think about the past. so prison officials allowed us to give some inmates personal cameras to record some of those thoughts in the privacy of their cells. >> i worry about people thinking you're telling. best to walk away and have another day than to stand strong and end up wrong. words never hurt you. what people think never hurt you. losing your freedom, losing your life, losing your family, that's
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what hurts you. >> james stone has been incarcerated for the past 26 years and still has a long haul ahead of him. >> i got another 50 years to do. and i think that's more or less an overkill. i mean 26 years, it don't matter if you've done the crime or didn't do the crime, guilty or not guilty, none of that matters anymore. 26 years, that's enough time for anyone. i've done more time than guys are done for murder else in they're on death row and there is no murder involved in my case. attempted murder. really? i don't let it get me down. i try not. sometimes i do lose my cool. and i'll snap off at someone. but then i'm cool. >> we first met stone three years earlier during our
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extended stay shift at indiana state prison. >> it's a glamour job. but somebody's got to do it. >> whether stone first came to prison, he was an admitted thug who fought frequently. >> where you going, big bud. >> i >> but the james stone we met considered himself a changed man. thanks to indiana state prison's cat adoption program. >> this is my little buddy. i depend on him. he is more dependable than anything i've got in here. i mean, he takes a lot of anger and temper away. makes it easier to hope in here. >> stone has been at wabash for a year and a half now. >> i've talked to guys that come in here from all the other prisons and recognize me. hey, you're the cat man, ain't you? dude, really? best thing i can do is say yeah, i'm him. see you later. >> the transfer occurred after a staff member reported stone had threatened him. stone denies the allegation and a much bigger concern is lefrg
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his cat behind. >> they don't allow cats down here. i couldn't bring him with me. and that was a big, big heartbreak separation there. you know? i raised the little sucker. >> just before his transfer, stone gave jinxter to another inmate. >> it brought a tear to my eye. it was like an indian commercial, the tear coming out. i didn't want to let go of my little buddy. >> but at wabash, stone found another animal to take under his wing. >> i got a little bunny buddy out back. i watch him sometimes through the window. when i go to work, i throw him a couple apples. he's been back there the whole time i've been in this cell, a whole year and a half. i open the window and he's sitting right there by the fence all the time. he's like clockwork. i don't know what he likes about that little area unless it's me feeding him all the time. apples, cookies, coffee cake. he is more sophisticated rabbit. you know what i'm saying? won't be long and i'll have him on some watermelon hooch.
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>> like stone, inmate christopher trotter has been behind bars since the mid 1980s. >> i came into prison to serve a four year prison sentence for petty theft. i came in with four years and ended up in for ten years. that's what can happen in prison if you make the wrong choice. it has consequences. >> the wrong choice trotter refers to is being one of the instigators of a 1985 rye dwrot at another indiana prisoners. seven correction officers were stabbed. two others and a counsellor were held hostage for 15 hours. >> it was a pretty massive riot they had at that time. chris trotter was one of the main players in that. since then, trotter's done his share to maintain his image of
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that. >> trotter maintained he was defending another inmate from abusive staff. >> some of them were stabbed. some of them were beat up. some of them overexaggerated. >> the judge in trotter's case saw nothing to laugh about. >> i was found guilty of one count after tempted murder, one battery, four counts of criminal finding and one count of rioting. i was sentenced to 142 years and i was like, wow. most violence is spontaneous. that's what that was. it was spontaneous. onen incident led to somethingless and then led to something else. >> trotter has now been in prison for 26 years. due to his role in the riot, he has spent 16 of those years in the secured confinement unit. >> due to behaviors in the past, traveling, extortions and
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intimidations, we consider him to be a risk to our safety. therefore, he is placed on administration i administrationive confinement. >> he spent many years reading and writing. >> as a child, i've always watched the movie "frankenste "frankenstein." i recently read the novel. i was like hey, i started to look at the monster kind of differently. i was like who is really the monster? to me this place is dr. frank enstein and we're the monsters. and i call this the belly of the beast. we're the outcasts. we're the forgotten. >> in my spare time, i like to write. and i've been contemplating on writing a book. i start it off like this. franken stein, the moment you created me, you can have me rejected me, crucified and
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despised me, offended me emotionally, unleashed very heavenly often overlooked stepped upon, crushed, no one ever stops to notice that my movements are forever. my stride is determined. my love is unconditional. my spirit is free. although i'm a monster, there is a soul inside of me. >> i do not believe there is an employee in the indiana department of corrections in any state facility that does not know the name christopher trotter. >> the confinement unit's case manager. one of her responsibilities is to evaluate trotter's ability to return to general population. >> i know the notoriety of trotter, very notorious. i believe he has aged out of
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that immaturity he has developed. good communication skills. good social skills. it's yes, ma'am, no, ma'am to me and it's not fake. i can always tell when it's fake. i believe personally that he will be ready for general population for a while. however, there are so many more people of us that will also have the input and have known he is so much longer than i have. i have to respect their recommendations. >> i'd rather not see him come out. >> lieutenant gary mcmillen has been in wawbash for 16 years. >> this is my opinion. >> they make it look look everybody is still a potential threat. am i a threat? no. coming up, i really one of my biggest concern is just
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ncht there's no hard labor here. and makes it sort of hard to keeping yourself in shape. you see a lot of guys that's been here after two, three years and they get that couch potato look on them. hanging gut and all that there sagging everywhere. me, i like to try to keep myself in shape. >> at indiana's maximum security facility, most inmates work out either on the outside recreation yard or inside on weight machines. but not james stone. >> i got 16 workouts i'm doing here using the bag and the box. >> after 26 years in prison, stone has developed a workout routine he can do inside his
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cell. >> all water bottles. getting it closed is the problem. one set of everything every day. i don't do a certain amount. i do them until i can't do them no more. then i take and record of how much i do of each thing each day. then the next day, my goal is to do one more better than i did the day before. because you can't get it out there. there are too many people throughout in that little closed area. and the weights out there ain't real weights. i like lifting something where you concentrate on the weight, work your body. not work out in the training room. i take my arms like so. after you get to a number that's just unbelievable, then you start walking around wearing a cape and pretend you're super man. i didn't reach that level yet. i'm still in the bat cave, you know what i mean? >> stone who was convicted of
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attempted murder, won't be eligible for parole for another 25 years. he could spend the rest of his life in prison. but he says his workout is designed to prepare him just in case he's released. >> rotate around like i'm working on a loading dock or something. it's all in a worker's workout. that way if i do get out, the job ain't going to kill me. i'm going to be ready for it. plus, when you get to be my age, you have to stay in shape. that way when there are guys half this age want to rest with the old man, it ain't my fault. >> and there's always a new young guy or two arriving on stone's unit every week. for some, it's just a short walk from a special unit for minors who have been convicted as adults. the adult maximum security prison. miles has been in the youth group for the past two years. but today is his 18th birthday and his first day in the big
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house. he is serving 36 years for armed robbery, mental confinement and burglary. >> it's a little nerve-racking. i don't know anybody. it's a lot bigger inside. most of the people in here are my father's age, you know? i never thought in my wildest dreams i would ever come to prison. i never thought about prison. it sounds really stupid from my standpoint. looking back at the things i was doing, if i would have thought about it, there was no way that i couldn't have not ended up in prison. i'd been in trouble ever since i was 9, you know, repeatedly acts of violence, vandalism and so the police know me, you know? and they were sick and tired of me. they took everything that they could and slapped it on me. >> he was 15 when he was tried as an adult for his latest set of convictions which made headlines in small town newspaper.
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this is my newspaper article. the heading says reign of terror come to end. the circuit court judge sentenced him to 36 years behind bars and denied his request to be placed in a therapeutic community program. you're a very dangerous young man. >> his charges revolve around the brutal beating of an acquaintance he believed had stolen his ipod. >> we ended up getting into his truck and started arguing because it was cold. i started banging his head off the window repeatedly. i was real high on cocaine. it was really look a fog. i got really angry. i guess i did some pretty good damage. i banged his head off the window. the judge was pretty strict giving me 36 years. i hope that it was just her trying to slap me in the face and tell me to wake up because truthfully, i was lost. >> fullsome completed his ged. he plans to pursue a college
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degree from prison and hopes to earn time off i had sentence by holding down a job. >> really my biggest concern about being inside is just getting in trouble. i hope that no one tries testing me, you know. i used to be a very violent person. i'm not that person no more. i don't want to revert back to that. >> with good behavior, he may only have to serve 18 of his 36-year sentence making his 18th birthday an even more significant milestone. >> it's a special occasion, you know. sometimes it's hard to keep hope. sometimes it's so easy to fall into the activity, especially juvenile population. there are so many kids over there that just don't care. it took 36 years to wake me up to realize that's not what i want to do. it's not a game, number one. >> coming up -- >> james stone's challenged by the new kid on the block.
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i'm page hopkins. herman cain suspended his presidential campaign this afternoon. this comes five days after a woman claimed to have an affair with him. an allegation cain denies. in iowa. >> greg: candidate newt gingrich leads in the new demoin register poll with 25%. ron paul is second with 18%. mitt romney, third with 16%. the iowa caucuses are on january 3rd. we'll have more news for you later. now back to "lockup." . >> in indiana, men considered to
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be the most dangerous and destructive are housed in the secured confinement unit. most inmates here have assaulted staff or other offenders and held inside windowless singleman cells for 23 hours a day. they take their meals alone and even phone calls which are allowed once a week and are made from the cells. >> in this confinement unit, we have to deliver all of their services. so i try to make contact with them, every one of my offenders at least once a week. and that's all 144 of them. >> i came from the south. i was so protected and so green when i came here. and when i started learning more about the needs of offender population, i thought why can't i be an advocate for them?
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>> they send notes requesting information, complaining or some of them just tell me have a nice day mrs. gilmore. and that's nice. it's better than getting cussed out. >> one of gilmore's assigned inmates is this man. >> he'll say are you okay, man? he'll say you okay mrs. gilmore? i enjoy that kind of talk. i can understand him. gets to talking fast and i say slow it down, buddy. >> despite her best efforts, he has been a challenge for correction staff. >> he's acting out has just been extreme such as maybe he didn't get an apple for his lunch. and an officer or anybody or any
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unit will be glad to go get the apple and take it to him. but he would react to that by banging and banging and throwing things to the point where the response team would have to go in and take him to the ground. he's a strong little dude, too. >> he'll throw stuff. he'll smear food, feces. he's done a little bit of everything. >> when he's like that, even mrs. gilmore here can't calm him down. i think i'm a momma substitute to him. >> he recently found himself in a different kind of trouble. when an 11 foot rope and the sculpture of a head were discovered inside his cell raising concerns about a possible escape attempt. he says the items were only for exercise and recreation. after further review, internal affairs investigator says the
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evidence appears to support his story. >> but with his history of violence, that's landed him not only in prison but in a lockdown unit. he is separated from the population because of his assaultive history. you can't never take anything that appears innocent at face value. >> the rope was taken away. he was given permission to continue sculpting. >> his african art has been very instrumental in controlling his anger. and it's so beautifully done. >> everything is made from newspaper and water. and i mix it with the soap. you see what it turns to. this is just the beginning. once i'm done making it, i have to let it sit for two days before i put painting on it. this is coffee with soap and a little bit of hot water. i use that for the paint for all the sculpture i make.
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i feel good when i'm doing it. it keeps me from stressing and thinking negative stuff and getting out of trouble. >> it definitely gives him an outlet. and i'm very proud of him for that. >> once everything is done, it's going to come out and look real beautiful and look great. >> miles has also found a constructive way to spend his time in prison. he has recent given a job in one of the prison's industrial shops which among other things makes electronics for businesses in indiana. >> they send a lot of things through here to be made. but i'm pretty sure this specific wire harness is for a light in a vending machine. i've been working for a week and a half now, in the morning, come down here and work until 3:00 in the afternoon. i mean it's not bad. >> he hopes that after a few more years of good behavior he'll be able to file an appeal to have his sentence reduced. >> so i'll be able to say, your honor, i've been working. i earned my own money.
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i stayed out of trouble for this many years. i don't want to stay here. i don't think anybody wants to stay here. i have plans. i have goals. and i'm looking to get out and go for them. >> but his goals are dependent on his ability to stay out of trouble which in prison isn't always easy. >> i stay reserved no matter what. i mean you never want to put yourself on the line because you know when something hits the fan, then you're left out to dry, you know? you're just hanging there. i mean these people don't care nothing about you. >> but there is one inmate whose advice fullsome values. >> one of the few i talk to, i call him stone. he's been out a long time. i mean if you look at his record, you wouldn't think that was the type of guy that someone who wants to stay out of trouble and you should harng around with. but really the guys that have been in trouble before that have been down 30 years, they came in my age. they took the wrong path at that time. they don't want to see me take the wrong path. they kind of guide me the right way. >> you're going to stoney
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island! >> you got to be kidding to me. what the hell? you have a vein popping out, dude. he's gone. you ready? >> oh, i've been ready. >> don't depend on othersment that's how i made it 26 years. i don't depend on nobody. a lot of these cats may seem cool but they ain't cool. >> yeah, there is a lot of them around here. >> yeah. you have a bunch of those in here. you have the little peter predators, too. if you have any questions on something like that or some son of a bitch wants to run his mouth, don't jump out there like a fool and end up with your ass on lockup. let us know and we'll take it to him ourselves. do it the hard way or the easy way. believe me, they'll go the easy way. >> i appreciate it, man. >> yeah.
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>> on one condition. quit beating my ass in handball. let me win some time. >> come on. >> he is the master of teaching a grasshopper. what the hell is up with that. >> it's easy to follow the trouble. it's like people, they'll say something smart. if i was on the street, you know, i'd be so messed up that i mean there would be no thinking about it. you know, i would just blow. and someone would get hurt. and now you can't do that. i mean that's not normal. you got to control yourself. >> he's young. he has a long ways to go. i mean i was in the same boat. you know? i used to do the same stuff. but at least he's got a chance. he's got a chance. at least he has a chance to get back out there. that's what he's got to think of. screws up, he ends up like me.
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i lost everything. >> and his handball game. >> why do you always have to go there? >> oh, man. nothing. >> i have a mess right there. that's right. that means stone. >> it sucks. >> stone. james stone. >> stone sucks. >> coming up -- >> some staff in this unit wreak havoc. >> i would like to know who has it. >> christopher trotter makes his case to return to general population. >> i'm not in here for killing police. i haven't killed the police. you just took it out of context. so you earn 50% more cash. according to research, everybody likes more cash. well, almost everybody... ♪ would you like 50% more cash? no! but it's more money.
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facilty, inmates that have committed violent acts or otherwise deemed safety threats are housed in windowless single man cells inside the security confinement unit. they're only allowed one hour a day for recreation. >> sometimes you come here, man. it's a blessing. >> whether weather permits, inmates may spend that hour outdoors. although they are still contained within a single man metal enclosure. >> we play soccer. today, i'm out. you see me smile. this is your time. you get everything off your chest. once i go back to that room, it's like night and day. >> having spent the last nine years in 16 of the last 28 years in confinement, christopher trotter values every moment
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outside. >> okay. this is what i call the old man workout. this is how we do it. one. i haven't lost touch with humanity. i refuse to lose touch with humanity. when you lose that, that's it. when you let this place strip you, that's it. >> trotter recently filed a request to be transferred ferd from confinement back to general population where he'll have considerably more freedom. >> five, six, seven, eight. >> because he was at the center of a 1985 riot, one of the most violent incidents in the history of the indiana state prison system, the request must be approved by multiple levels of administration including the superintendent dick brown. >> coming down to talk to chris trotter. he is -- asked to be released from the department wide segregation.
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so i'm coming down to speak with him about that review. he'll be meeting with team managers and the casework manager beverly gilmore and myself. >> how you doing? >> hey, sir. how you doing? >> haven't seen you in a long time. >> i know. it's been a long time. >> yes. it's been a long time. >> some staff recommended you be released from the department wide administration. so with that being said, it's now in my hands to make a recommend togs central office. >> though he has shown improvement, one of the first things he wants to address is a conduct report that he received several months earlier. >> chris trotter start the saying over and over f the police, kill the police. that sound look a threat. >> that wasn't it. we were working out together on the range. and we had a little workout. and he just took it out of context. nobody said kill the police. i'm not into killing police. i haven't killed police. you know?
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and he just took it out of context. it was basically to discourage us from, you know, further -- showing sign of unity. >> if someone approaches me and states they're going to kill me if i'm the correctional officer -- >> i'm in cell six. he was up in the pie. how can they determine who said what? >> you have a pretty distinctive voice, do you not? >> but i'm saying several of us. there is a whole range of people hollering the same thing. and let me say this to y'all, in 1985 when i got involved in that prison riot, i don't regret it for the simple fact is this. i feel i was doing the right thing in my hearts of heartsment i want committing the crime. i was preventing a crime. but am i remorseful? yes. for the simple fact is people got hurt. not just staff, not just
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prisoners, but families. so i'm remorseful in that sense. and what did i do about it? i haven't involved myself in anything since then. >> you know that if you go out into general population this new generation is going to want to challenge the infamous christopher trotter. how in the world are you going deal with a bunch of punks coming up and challenging you? >> first of all, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. so i don't care what you say. and as long as you don't put your hands on me, we all right. i haven't had no situations since i've been back here with nobody. >> all right. >> i mean nobody. none. when i first came here, i was here a month without my personal property. and i dealt with that in a good manner. >> you dealt in a loud manner.
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i remember. >> well, i have a tame tongue, not untame tongue. seriously. >> you think highly of yourself, you know that? >> no, but that's the difference though. that's the difference. >> i would really like to be able christopher trotter go back to general population because of the length of time he has been in segregation. but should he go? i'm so thankful i'm not making that decision. >> bottom line here is we're at. it is up to me to make that recommendation. some staff here in this unit have recommended you be released and some haven't. >> i'd like to know who haven't? >> you are not going to know who did and didn't. the important thing to know is it is in my hands right now. it doesn't matter what the other staff recommended. it's up to me now. the responsibility is at my level. i appreciate your time. that concludes the questions i had for you. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> unfortunately if i make the wrong decision here and recommend he is released and something happens that burden is
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upon my shoulders. >> coming up james stone reaches out to an old friend. >> do you time with the cat for 15 years and you just miss having them around. slip-on's the way to go. more people do that, security would be like -- there's no charge for the bag. thanks. i know a quiet little place where we can get some work done. there's a three-prong plug. i have club passes. [ male announcer ] now there's a mileage card that offers special perks on united, like a free checked bag, united club passes, and priority boarding. thanks. ♪ okay. what's your secret? ♪ [ male announcer ] the new united mileageplus explorer card. get it and you're in.
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this here's one of the best meals we have in the menu, the taco. we still ain't figured out what the meat is. we narrowed the meat down to alpacas or guineas or a combination of both. >> james stone's humorous perspective has helped him survive 26 years. in some of indiana's toughest maximum security prisons. >> i stay in stoneyland.
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i don't need no psycho therapist. i don't need medication. i [ bleep ] a lot. i'm not a saint. i'm far from a saint. that's why i'm i love today. i should have been dead several times ago but heaven doesn't want me and hell's afraid i'll take over. so i'm pretty well stuck here on this planet. >> but stone has not resigned himself to life at wabash valley. he has requested a transfer back to the prison he used to be housed, indiana state. >> they didn't have a problem moving me out. there shouldn't be a problem moving me back up there now. >> the motivation for the transfer is to reunite with his cat. jinxster. >> when i feel like i'm about to do go do something stupid you think about these eyes and you remember this guy depends on me i have to take care of you. >> he received the cat as part of a program at indiana state but it's he had to leave him behind when he was transferred
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to wabash. for the first several weeks, the cat lived with another inmate. but then he moved out to the country. he was adopted by stone's parents. >> jinxster the something else. he's not used to carpeting. and claw furniture. everything was claws. i mean he clawed up carpet, everything else. but, it was worth it because it was jim's. >> some people might not quite understand it. but my family we view our pets as family members. so you know, this was sort of like jim's kid. >> talk about your daddy. yeah. >> it's really, really hard for me to talk about jim. i love him so much. when he was a little boy, he loved to go for these walks. and we'd go for a long walk. he'd give out and i'd put him on my shoulders and bring him on in.
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i'm 69 years old and my worst fear is i'll never get to walk through the woods with him. jim would love it out here. he's such an outdoorsman. one of the reasons we got this place. it's everything that he would want. >> we all miss him. yeah. every day. there's not a day that goes by that i don't think of my brother. we just love to see him home. >> but for now, stone's family and his old friend communicate regularly by phone. >> i call home every once in a while and my family's got a speakerphone. >> to accept the call press zero. go ahead with your call. >> hello? >> hi, jim. >> everybody doing all right? >> when he is in a room i will holler for him.
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jinxster! jinxster! jinxster! "meow" i got it from an tarzan movie. when i holler it to him, his fat ass stampedes to. jingster? >> he's there, jim. >> [ meowing ] >> he starts purring and stuff. jingster? what's up little buddy? >> talk to jim. >> [ purring ] >> dad all right? >> he got his tail going 90 miles per hour. >> you can hear him purring real loud into it. so he might have forgot who i am but he knows the call. >> well, tell everyone i said hello. >> okay. love you. >> you all be good. >> okay. >> bye-bye. >> miss your papa? yeah.
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>> i miss my buddy. when you do time with a cat for 15 years you miss having them around. you know, but, yeah i said i hope i get out of here so i can pick him back up. >> not a whole lot else i know to say except if you are looking at the tv screen right now, it's me you little feller. "meow" you know what that means little feller. my little fur ball buddy. hopefully i'll get out there soon. you can show me what the free world's about.
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