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>> you are not going to want to miss it. it's way too early. >> it is "morning joe." see you back here tomorrow. stick around for mr. chuck todd. >> thank you. newt gingrich soars. he is not only doing well in iowa and new hampshire, but leads in south carolina. no longner doubt who the front-runner is. at least today. does newt have the money and organization to capitalize on the lead. he made a pilgrimage to donald trump. he has a lot of money to make up fast. there have been glimmers stayed side, will european leaders be bold enough to contain the crisis before it directings the rest of us down again. this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck todd. four weeks from today, we will
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be in des moines talking about caucus night. let's get to the first reads the morning. four weeks from today as i told you, the voting begins. there is no question that right now who the front-runner is. another day and poll confirms that gingrich is not only surging, closing the gap, he has a commanding lead in the state that determined the republican nominee in every contest in 1980. he leads a poll out with 38% of the vote and mitt romney trails at 22%. rick perry a distant third. gingrich said he can put blue states like new york in play in november. >> for i do become the nominee, we are going to compete in all 50 states. i don't believe in a red and blue model. >> here took on the criticism coming from mitt romney that gingrich is a career politician
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with decades of baggage. >> i don't know that you ought to count running for the senate in 1994 and running for governor and running for president six years. i will let you decide. >> the fight for the nomination is turning into an establishment content. with gingrich the anti-establishment. sitting there courting donald trump. >> this is a country that elected a peanut farmer to a presidency. donald trump is a great showman and a great businessman. if we want to figure out how to create jobs, the differences between my party and the other party is we go to people who know how to create jobs. >> mitt romney flies to arizona and there is fund-raising, but he picks up the endorsement of dan quayle.
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trump's role on december 27th in iowa is not sitting well with mainstream republicans. they have bowed out. >> i don't understand the marching to his office. i didn't know that he had an ability to lay on hands. and anoint people. >> i believe that the presidency is beyond reality shows. this is a joke. to add two or three people and weigh in in terms of support. this is politics as show business. >> rick santorum is real. >> i saw that gingrich said he was coming. i said i'm coming. if others are going to go, particularly folks ahead of me in the poll which is is most of them. >> that's a normal reason why to show up for a debit. if the front-runner is showing up, you show up. mitt romney is on the fence.
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>> he hasn't said no. donald trump will draw more interest and if you get people more interested and more informed, what's wrong with that? >> the campaign said we are reviewing the invitation. santorum and gingrich are in. michele bachmann is undecided. perry is undecided. romney is undecided. there is a lost chatter among the establishment types in washington that maybe there is a way to protect the rest of the field and the romney and the perries and others who don't want to go into this thing. even gingrich not necessarily wanting them to participate, do they create a criteria and force them to say i will not endorse and be a candidate and create something that is too much for trump to agree to and therefore allowing the rnc to fashlly say
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we are not sanctioning that. finally romney came out in favor of the one-year extension of the payroll tax holiday after calling it a temporary fix. >> no one likes to see increases and the stimulus bills that are supposed 3 going it create jobs, we have seen this played in the theater. >> you would be okay with seeing the tax cut. >> i want to fundamentally restructure the foundation economically. >> i would like to see the payroll tax cut extended. i know the family are feeling the pinch right now. >> to defend romney, that's not a flip flop. the change in tone is the best way to put it. that's the problem he has. everybody is always looking to find some sort of flip flop or change to prove a past issue and it's something that romney is
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struggling with and has to deal with and it makes it more difficult for him to have nuance. his is put under a microscope. democrats offered a new proposal to extend the holiday before it expires at the end of the year and the president is selling that version hard. first washington. >> i know many have sworn never to raise taxes as long as they live. the only time there is a catch is raising classes on little class families. now is the time step on the gas. >> today in kansas where the white house hopes to channel teddy roosevelt, he called for a square deal when he was starting to make his break away from the republican party. news the trip to the red state was greeted by the kansas city star with this headline.
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mystery accompanies the trip to kansas. the white house unveiled a digital clock mark the time until the holiday expires. it's probably the most blatantly political message we had. that's where they push the messages. they have now used their television measures for the countdown. can the president make teddy roosevelt's call more than a century later. his reelection may depend on it. it's also a member of the house budget committee. which title do you prefer these days? >> debbie is find. keep it friendly. >> when the senate democrats
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unveiled how to pay for the payroll tax holiday, there was no republican involvement. was that a tactical mistake not to at least find three or four republicans to say i will sign on so that it did look like a meaningful shift? >> senator reid made overtures and outreach to senate republicans and president obama has reached out to republicans on the house and senate side. they are welcome in extending the tax cut that we know is vital. yesterday i had a chance to stand with two single parents, a single dad and single mom at an ice cream parlor and both talked about how another $1,000 out of their paycheck would dramatically impact their families at the holiday season. they are welcome to embrace the
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notion of extending the cut and appropriately make sure that we are paying for it as well. >> there seems to be quite a few republican who is want to extend this holiday, but there is disagreement on how to pay for it. do you have an issue on the federal freeze and maybe start reconfiguring some benefits? >> what i have an issue with is when republicans refuse to throw into the mix any talk of generating revenue and asking everyone to pay their fair share. more cuts on the backs of middle class families asking more people to tighten belts tighter without asking the wealthiest to pay their fair share? no, that's not an appropriate fix by itself. we should find a combination of things to pay for the extension of the payroll tax cut, but on
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the backs of middle class votes and cuts is not a deal. >> you are saying any idea that extends the holiday and doesn't include the tax cut you can't support? >> i'm not engaged in ultimatums. that's the republican mantra. what i need is to sit down together. they know that the compromise stable there and they should pull up the chair and sit down and let's figure this out. we are getting dangerously close to leaving middle class folks twisting in the wind and adding $1,000 out of their bottom line. that's wrong and insensitive and we need to make sure we pay for it in a balanced way. they should pull up a seat. >> we asked about what is the reelection message for president obama and what kind of guarantee for the case for a second term that somehow is going to change the climate.
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right now it's a polarized climate and why is it an obama second term would change? here is his response. >> i believe that there a lot of good republicans out there who are running for cover because of the reign of terror in the republican party that if you cooperate or if you stray from the grover norquist line that you will be punished for that. when the president wins reelection, a lost them will come out and blink and realize it's a new deal and turn to them and say you did it your way and it didn't work. >> i'm guessing you probably agree. do democrats have any responsibility here and hold any responsibility for the current polarized climate here in washington? >> we made effort after effort
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at reaching across the aisle. it's john boehner and speaker of the house that walked away from a big deal that president obama put on the table. they have been working together and they were just days from agreeing to this. this was a party that no one recognizes. they have been taken over from extremists in the tea party. a leadership seeded the leadership to a fringe element. that is out of step with the american people. my way or the highway politics and i just talked about this again. ceos, my way or the highway politics is the wrong way to go. it can't always be my way. i won't get my way, but we need to strike a balance. what have the republicans proposed to give?
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nothing. >> the committee that you had, i went through and you put seven videos out against mitt romney in the past two weeks and none against newt gingrich in the same period. can we read in between the lines? you believe romney is a threat and newt is not? >> mitt romney spent his entire campaign attacking president obama. his ad he rolled out, he was caught in a lie and massive distortion and taking president obama's words out of context and they admitted they did it and chalked it up to everybody does it. that's not the type of person americans want as a president. >> you said you do fear newt gingrich as a threat in in president obama's reelection?
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>> the collection of republicans that are running are basically all the same. they have been embracing the tea party and they are all out of step. none of them care. mitt romney talked about the extension being a band-aid and yesterday because the winds are blowing hard in public for payroll tax cut extension and now he thinks it's a good idea. when you are asking to be president of the united states of america, you need to show principals that you can stick to that mitt romney has in evidence. >> let the record show you mentioned mitt romney's name another three times and didn't hear newt's name. i think we know where you guys are voting. >> he deserves the ire we have been training on. >> i will leave it there.
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congresswoman from florida, thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >> was last week's drop in the unemployment rate too good to be true? do-or-die for the financial markets. what does it moan for the snuz this presidential campaign needs to raise funds. newt gingrich himself is rolling in dough. we have a look at where the former speaker made his millions. first a look ahead on the president's schedule today. i will stay again. in kansas, dorothy, we are in kansas at least today. [ woman ] my boyfriend and i were going on vacation,
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>> it's not an opinion that it's no longer a crisis. it has been spreading into some poor countries and financial institutions. it has deepened on the periphery and we think that the current situation has the potential to destabilize further. >> that was the s&p warning. 15 european nations including france and germany see the credit ratings at risk if they can't come up with a plan. they may downgrade the european baou cnbc contributor ron insana joins me. i have to turn it to politics. i heard the number one most important political leader to president obama's reelection is
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not in america. it's in germany. is that the case some. >> merkel has been standing in the way of some progress with pan european bonds used to help recapitalize not only countries, but allow the bank to recapitalize and are seriously impaired and have over the last couple of weeks faced a funding crisis. she has been drawing a hard line trying to get maximum leverage over the monster treaty that ushered in this period. she is playing a very, very heavy hand. she will get physical discipline and if it doesn't, we will get a recession in europe. >> is this euro zone almost as if they are treating it like it's a trade pack rather than a
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unified currency of sorts. is that the problem here? >> the problem has been since the start. it was only a monetary union. no fiscal union and one central bank for europe and all of which have different functions. there is no political union yon that makes a decision subject to the approval and the 27 nations that make up the european union. this is a messy coninstruct that never should have been ratified in the current form. that's why yesterday the chancellor and french prime minister sarkozying issed they needed to rewrite the treaty so there would be real teeth among the member nations. i think this is going to work out. they will step up and cut rates later this week and buy bonds.
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it's going far too slowly for everybody's liking. the financial institutions as protects as they need to be? >> whether they have derivative exposure is not capitalized. the federal reserve announced they would stress test our banks to make sure if we really fell into another deep dip as far as a global recession is concerned, they could handle it. >> your world and my world, the experts may get direction right, but miss the trajectory. the unemployment drpd a lot further than anyone expected. there a lot of moments in that. that happened at the beginning of 2011 and may happen in the
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beginning of 2012. >> more like the bottom of a field hockey stick. it will be a loop like this. we won't get the straight take off. i was shopping in the guarden state plaza over the weekend and it was absolutely packed. i was traveling all year and we see full airports and airplanes and busy restaurants in most major cities. the u.s. economy relative to the rest of the world and absolutely terms is doing better than expected. it doesn't mean you can afford a melt down and a hard landing in china. it means the u.s. economy is self-sufficient relative to other parts of the globe. it was good enough for now. >> ron insana, we invited you.
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>> listen, chuck. you got that fact straight. you know i was going to favor can be on this morning. >> always for my ratings. >> next time we will discuss my net worth and what brand image is worth. we can talk about that. >> put it in book form. >> absolutely. >> ron insana, always a pleasure. >> we are following newt gingrich's financials, but in 1829, 20,000 people followed president andrew at the white house. the first correct answer will get a follow tuesday from us. we'll be right back. ♪
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>> republican front-runner newt gingrich used this to make serious cash. where did it come from? we looked at financial disclosures and there is a lot we learn and a lot of things we can't figure out. >> one of the more remarkable institutions that has been grown over ten years here in washington, d.c. known as newt inc. we are not quite sure where the money comes from or where it goes. >> with being a front runner is scrutiny. for newt gingrich, how he makes his money is getting a fresh look. the disclosure shows he is worth $7.1 million. the vast majority is from a
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group of companies that bear his name. hoe has an estate in the gingrich group and gingrich communications run by his daughter, kathy. and gingrich productions run by his wife, calista that produces documentaries and books that are promoted on the trail. family ties don't end there. his second largest soefrs income say talent agency run by daughter kathy. questions are transparency despite being listed as a top official, he only reports getting money from one, gingrich products for $2.5 million. why? his campaign said before launching for president, he fold into gingrich products, he lists no income that role or any
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income from time in a conservative think tank or advisory boards he sat on. despite the recent boast being his speeches -- >> i was charging $60,000 to speak. it's going up, not down. >> here doesn't list that money either. none was paid to gingrich, but gingrich communications. >> it meets the letter of the law and who you work for, but it's not the spirit of transparency buzz we don't know who they are getting money from and who is paying him for consulting. >> there is no way to tell how much he got or from whom. one hing is certain, when it comes to business, gingrich keeps it all in the family. >> gingrich made between 2.6 and $2.8 million. $2.5 million of the money came
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from newt inc. it's not itemized and we don't wherein it comes from. >> he may have been in a lower tax rate. we are trying to figure out did he pay his income tax rate that would mean a much lower tax rate than the fairly low tax rate. >> here got dividends from a share and that's common for a lot of small businesses. >> a lot of people say it's when you can't do income tax personally and spritly. >> with these book signings, they have done about a dozen ander in washington. >> we will be talking a look at that. thank you, sir. call it coffee, croissants and compromise. a breakfast club is trying to prove not all are inflexible.
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that's logistics. ♪ >> other stories making headlines in afghanistan. 54 people have been killed in kabul in the deadliest of suicide bombings. this is the first since the fall of the taliban. the taliban has denied responsibility and condemned the attacks as a lot of concern that this may have come from a group in pakistan. his country is not ready to go it alone. they will need political and military support until 2030. the frustration over gridlock is echoed by republican
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scott rigell. >> it is dysfunctional and broken and i'm confident that headed in the right direction we will get it sorted out. >> the answer may lie in this new ritual and bipartisan breakfast meeting by two lawmakers determined to breakthrough. this is the republican from ohio and john carney, democrat from delaware. congressman, let me start with you. this issue of -- i hear personal frustration and don't see the collective frustration makes its way to the leadership. >> in a way it does. as far as in our caucus it brought up a lot, but leadership listens and there is frustration. one thing we have to worry about here in washington and things
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move slowly. i came from a business world where it can be today. >> he came with the same thing and knew it was bad and didn't know how bad? >> i said it's one of the three issues and how bad the gridlock is. the congressman said the president came out and put his shoulder behind a new plan to what they say is to pay for the tax holiday. the criticism i heard from senate republicans was that you are doing this. why gin up the partisanship. do you think the president overplayed his hand? >> i think the key is to extend the payroll tax. the important part is to find a way to pay for it. we were talking about coming in here this morning. let's get the ideas on the table and find solutions as opposed to
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making a political issue. >> there differences. >> here ought to be able to get it done and not have a tax increase on taxpayers. >> where is the movement on your side? is the movement on maybe a tax loophole? >> i think the movement is just coming up with a solution. i think there a lot of people who believe we need to extend it. the question is how do we pay for it? >> is taxes completely off the table or are you open on closing one or two tax loopholes. >> a number of suggestions you came out. there is a number of pieces that have been discussed. i think those will be brought up over a couple of days. you comfortable with continuing the pay freeze? >> i don't know that we ought to link those.
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i think we ought to sit down about how to pay for it. we had them from cvo talking to the bipartisan group and things in the base line budget. there lots of ways. >> the question to both of you and big picture question. is there a piece of rhetoric that you believe and now you are going boy, i was just wrong. >> i came down here expecting to make a difference and i believe we need to make a difference. sometimes you think it's easier to get down here and american people believe they are frustrated with congress and keep in mind there is 435 people here. i use the example when you bring your family together, 10 or 12 people, try get that agreed o. throw 420 people in a room. >> how does that play?
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>> they understand. it's communication. it's not guy who will make a difference. it's one guy coming down here with 434 other people trying to make a difference. >> that was political rhetoric, but it was wrong. >> one of the things i talked about is bringing the way to the election. we all go to the southern town and bury the hatchet. the expectation is after that the campaign is over and we will work to solve the problems we faced. i thought it was something that could work here. we developed this breakfast club. it seems like the public wants this. thank you both for coming on and coming on set. i appreciate it. >> the political panel has a lot
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and money, can they keep up with the rise in the polls? not surprisingly newt said they can. >> i find it fascinating if all these colors about how businesses are getting leaner and how they are talking about hierarchies and people who work from home who have virtual organizations and all these cutting edge ideas and a group of consulting who believe they have to be slow. >> white house political director for george w. bush. susan page is a bouro chief for "usa today" and former congressman from alabama, welcome to all of you. sarah, you worked on a lost campaigns. winning and losing ones. we will show how odd this is. weeks from today the voting begins in iowa. here is a graphic of maxed out donors between romney and gingrich. he has 800 maxed out donors.
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let me he you the second graphic. the guy who spend the most is rick perry. the other is ron paul who is in the race. the third most amount of money is spent by a super pack jon huntsman. neither are in here. this is not our father's type of campaigns. >> this is one of the most wild races in modern history. with four weeks to go, you will see a lost ups and downs. presidential politics are note determined by flashy narratives. how aggressive is the news media going to be on newt and newt's history? >> let me ask you one more thing before i move to the rest of the panel. if this were a campaign and four
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weeks from the voting and the front-runner had no money and the guy chasing the front-runner did. wouldn't wisdom say we are going to see a negative ad assault? we are not going to see him or we will? >> newt has been smart in saying i will not run any negative ads. it was a smart move for somebody with little money. the romney campaign had the ghost of 2008 and they didn't define mike huckabee the way they did that. they let go. they will make the same mistake again? it's a mistake. >> news media narratives acting like that and america's newspaper that will be in every reporter's hotel room as they are running around iowa. how many -- there a lost
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directions to go. >> there. two will get a lot of attention. one is his history in the house. the ethics going against him and the reprimand. that's an area we will explore and also his changes on positions. this is something we explored with mitt romney and newt gingrich changed positions on a lot of issues. the good news is none of this is new. it's not as though allegations on him that no one has heard of before. in a way that is factored in for a lot of people about whether to support him. >> there was all this on bill clinton and the public knew it. they knew it again in 96. they knew it again in 1998. there wasn't support to chase him out of office. with newt it is or not? >> let me go back to the advertising. the operative question is not how much money is put behind a
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message, but how effective is the ad? can romney or perry or god forbid ron paul put this together and distill it as a sharp message. >> will you rather see president obama face gingrich or romney. >> gingrich does have the ability to rattle obama in the debates. >> i am hearing a mixed bag from democrats. we will stay on the topic. stick around. trivia time. in 1829, 20,000 people mobbed the white house following president jackson's inaugurat n inauguration. how did aides convince everyone to leave? they moved the risky and served it on the lawn.
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let's bring back the panel. i want to stick with this gingrich theme. interesting attempt by nancy pelosi yesterday to promises of going after gingrich. here's what she told tall points memo. quote, one of these days we'll have a conversation about newt gingrich, i know a lot about him. four of us locked in a room in an undisclosed location for a year. gingrich reacted to this almost with glee. >> i want to thank speaker pelosi for what i regard as an early christmas gift. she's going to use material she
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developed on the ethics committee? that's a fundamental violation of the rules of the house. this is a tainted political ethics investigation. >> this is why attacking newt is hard. >> it is hard. newt's right. that was a gift. she's the least particular politician in america right now. congress has a 12% approval rating. if i were newt, i'd want her to start talking and talking as much and as loud as possibly. >> it seemed she backed off it later in the day. >> her spokesman said she wasn't talking about classified, secret documents. although, that was not the import of her original comments. gingrich has had a slight problem in that he made that ad with nancy pelosi. they looked cozy on the loveseat. this helped detoxify that for some republican ifs she's on the attack. >> what does romney do? >> quick point about pelosi.
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if in the new jersey governor's race in '09, if chris christie said, i have all this stuff from the grand jury on john corzine, he would have been denounced. but romney is in the same boat that hillary was in against president obama this time four years ago. romney has to figure out what is a simple 30-second case that i can use in a sound bite against why this guy shouldn't be the nominee? hillary the whole campaign never figured out a public reason. she had all the reasons with insider. and romney does, too. the guy's got baggage. the public is not -- >> that's what i hear. the insiders say, newt's presidency would be erratic at best buzz you don't know what he would do. romney knows what he's doing in a boardroom. >> that's the fear. you hear this collective gasp around washington right now that newt really is in the lead -- >> and it's a real lead.
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>> a real lead for a while. but the key for newt. newt's ability to be elected and win some of these states is, how genuine is his conversion. evangelicals love a repentant sinner. and right now, he's playing the role very well. is he genuine about it? >> should you sit here if your romney a little bit -- >> you need to get in. you need to air the dirty laundry. >> you need to egg him on. romney is not undercut gingrich. gingrich can undercut gingrich. >> electability is a big issue in this race. gingrich running better against obama than romney does. >> that's ugly for him. a prediction plug. i like it. >> check out the article today that says crisply what most washingtonians are thinking. >> look at donorschoose.org. it's an organization that -- public schoolteachers post
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