tv Lockup New Mexico MSNBC December 10, 2011 8:00pm-9:00pm PST
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. well, we have inmate kevin blanco who is a little upset. >> no, no. you've got to use force. >> they'll take their food for hostage. they'll take a shower hostage. >> strip down or stay right there. >> if it gets the attention they want they'll take a hostage.
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>> here at the penitentiary in new mexico we have a level two facility. we have a level five facility. and we have a level six facility. level two is more of a restrictive minimum inmate where you know we allow to work outside and stuff with minimum supervision. level five is supervision all the time. and obviously level six is full-time observation of those inmates. >> you all right? >> this is the maximum security facility on level six of the
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penitentiary of new mexico housing. pretty much houses the worst of the worst. these individuals are the worst within level six and level six is the worst within the whole state of new mexico. >> [ bleep ]. >> [ bleep ]. >> these individuals are housed, one per cell. they're escorted and restrained everywhere they go. and handcuffs or leg irons and belly chains. we do have two and three-man status individuals who are very violent. they like to assault our staff. >> today we tag along with deputy warden joni brown on her way to deal with one of level six's most notorious inmates. >> they have an inmate who is refusing to leave his cell. at this point we'll go in, give a directive to cuff up and come out and if not we're planning to use force for cell extraction.
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>> if you don't turn around you'll be restrained. >> for what? >> are you going to come out? go ahead, sergeant. >> what's going to happen now? >> the extraction team is going to woman in and remove him from his cell. >> 5:24 p.m. we're here for inmate kevin blanco number 41918. who has refused several directives to be restrained and escorted out of his cell. a cell extraction team has been set up to remove the inmate from the cell. at this time we're going to proceed to the cell. >> turn around to be restrained. chemical agent is about to be deployed in your cell. >> he has the door covered with a blanket. >> there is no response.
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turn around and be restrained. turn around and berestrained. a chemical agent is about to be deployed into your cell. restra. a chemical agent is about to be deployed into your cell. >> coming out. coming out. >> okay. >> come on, open it up. >> come on, back up, blanco. >> no, no, no. >> go ahead and back up co -- blanco. stop.
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>> what happened? >> he refused my food. that's what all this [ bleep ] is about. >> but what did you decide to do? >> what you mean what i decide to do? i decide to do what i did right there. >> now what? >> what you mean? play games. if they want to continue, then fine with me. i'll continue it, too. >> so basically he had to be extracted from his cell. he's upset because of the measures because of the things he is not allowed to have right now. some things he's not allowed to have. he's serving disciplinary time. he was throwing feces out on the floor. >> blanco had a step to where there's not much more that we can do to him. as far as disciplinary sanctions. he's already serving disciplinary time. we'll do a cell search.
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take anything he might use to throw more feces out on inmates and staff. clean the cell out. decontaminate it from the oc and have him placed back in there. >> what was this about? >> blanco, you know what's going on here. throw the stuff out on the tier. if you don't want to stop. >> what did i throw out on the tier? >> you were throwing the liquids. >> go look at your camera if i threw out some lick -- >> the cameras showed it up. >> when they first went up in there. >> when the door's closed it looks like this. he was spraying it out like this. he was actually shooting it out. see whatever is all over the walls, the wet spots over here. that was feces he was shooting at us. if you look at my pants, there's feces on my pants, feces on my
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shirt or fecal matter, whatever you want to call it. >> what's going on? they say i was throwing liquid out the door. >> there is feces and urine all over yourself. >> where? >> inside of your cell. >> there ain't no feces in my cell. >> there is. >> go look at my cell. do you see any feces. >> tell me what your point is, okay? you're saying that you didn't do what they said you did. >> exactly. well -- [ bleep ], [ bleep ], put feces in my cell? [ bleep ]. >> get the -- i'm talking to me like that. >> where is the feces at? i don't see no [ bleep ] feces. >> in your cell. >> you going to sit there and tell that lie. you all got this camera. okay.
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you all going to close it on me, man. >> can i talk to you? >> are you going to put your hands in the port so we can close it? >> after i talk to you. i want to make sure you guys understand what i'm saying. you don't want to see anymore [ bleep ] lies. come on. >> would you get to the point, kevin. what caused all of this today in the beginning? did you start to throw something at them? did you discuss something with him? did you have a conflict with the officer? >> me and him get in the confrontation. >> so you had an issues earlier in the day and then they were hesitant to open up the food port, right? because of that. >> you're right. okay. >> so did you have a conflict with the officer? >> yes. >> so are we all good then for the time being? >> because you all want to start these [ bleep ]. >> uh-huh. >> if you want to come -- no, tomorrow you can expect to be here next week and the week
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until i get to [ bleep ]. y'all want to play games and then we'll play. >> and then you want to stand here and threaten to keep playing games? >> you're right. because you 100% [ bleep ] right and i am going to continue to play games. >> all right, well -- >> [ bleep ]. >> well, let the games begin. but it doesn't have to go this way. >> yeah, whatever. >> well, it doesn't. >> whatever. coming up -- blanco versus staff, round two. >> shoot one more time and i'll come down. hi, i'm cashing in my points... peggy? no more points - coupons now. coupons? coupons. coupons? next, you convert coupons to tokens. tokens? then you trade tokens for credits. and then i get the cash? then you call back. bye bye. peggy? hello? what just happened? want rewards that make sense? switch to discover. america's #1 cash rewards program. it pays to discover. all right, i'll be right back. okay.
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>> we're getting ready for dinner. and skipping the wonderful chow hall food today. we try to avoid that as much as possible. we try to cook for ourselves with the things we get from the commissary. we've made the burritos from hell. the best thing of what we can do here. there's like beef stew, chili beans, beans, rice. and a bunch of spices and stuff like that. and some cheese, of course. my dad always asked me what will we eat for the evening and i tell them mystery meat, because you never know what you're eating in here. of course there's a menu but when you go, doesn't look like what's on the menu. >> you've got chef boy r.j. >> we've become micro masters after a while and no open flame or anything but after trial and error, here we are.
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>> i don't know but i'm smelling some chicken. >> that's black beans. >> i was hoping for watermelon, collard greens, something. >> the hazards of neighbors and short walls. >> well, i'm in the santa fe level two murph. which is just a minimum restrict unit, which is, you've got more movement than the level threes. with me it's kind of hard because i got two kids by myself. my kids will ask me what i do to get in here. and i don't know if they understood me but i tried to tell them the best i could. >> what did you tell them, literally? >> literally, i just told them like sometimes people die and i asked them you know how sometimes people die? and they said yeah.
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and i said okay you see tv a lot how people are shooting other people and stuff like that and they said yeah. and they said movies. and i said, yeah, just like the movies. that's what happened to me, i was being bad. i shot a guy and i came in here. i don't think they really understood when i left it at that. >> how do you maintain being a father? >> just through letters and phone calls really. that way i know i can talk to them and visit. since i got here i was pretty much the barber. i go in there cut hair pretty much all day and it would take up a lot of time. as long as i was staying busy or active, i was good to go. >> what are we going to do today? >> whatever. >> whatever. you know what happens when i get creative. anything we can do to make him look better. kind of got a little swirl or something in mind. i like putting little designs in it.
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that way i can keep my personality going. it's just something a little different because everyone else has their own little thing. >> ever since inmate kevin blanco arrived at the penitentiary of new mexico in 1997 he's made quite an impression on staff. >> kevin blanco can be unpredictable. you really don't know how he's going to behave from one day to the next. one day he kind of acts like your friend. the next day he's like the crazy animal behind the door. >> today, blanco continues to test the patience of pnm officers, refusing to return a prison razor after shaving. >> he's acting like an idiot again. he has a razor in his cell. >> i'm asking you man to man, are we doing this? >> you have to extract him. gas him, put him back in medical. put him in medical for another 72 hours. >> are you going to give me the razor? >> i'm giving you a direct
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order, give me that razor. >> okay, no. >> it takes a toll on everybody. we're down here dealing with this guy every day when we could be doing other things. we have opportunities to relinquish the razor. if he doesn't do it and then we will set up the extractor team to go in there. >> luckily for everyone involved, blanco gives up the razor. >> hear me out though. >> listen. [ bleep ]. >> it's over [ bleep ]. >> i understand that, kevin. he claims it's all over and done with. he's going to start from scratch. it's okay. i believe medical will work at least for the rest of the night. that's kevin for you. next, the deputy warden tries talking some sense to blanco. >> do you have reason to be conscience?
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davon lymon's expression of individuality has started a trend among level two inmates but it has also raised concern with the staff. >> i did his hair a couple of days ago. the captain told him this morning if he doesn't take it off he's going to the hole and i'm not allowed to do it no more to my hair. >> okay. you guys wait here for a minute. i have a question. >> sure. on the barber. on the haircut. >> right. >> they're standing at my door saying that we're going to lock the guy up if he doesn't -- >> actually what happened with this inmate and it was inmate damon, he got an attitude is what he did and what i did was started challenging him
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concerning his customized haircut. i said if we start allowing that, what's going to happen is all the other inmates will be expecting that. >> right. it's just going to create problems. >> i figured that was going your concern was. we have to establish what we're going to allow. i guess we just need to establish what we are going to allow and what we're not and so if we're going to allow basic haircuts, you know fades, you know -- >> and i think that's what we need to stick to is just the basic haircut. i'll do that. >> all right, thank you. the most important thing is to keep problems from happening in prison or business or whatever is that you're consistent but if you allow one person do it and then you target somebody else, then we run into situations like this. all right. this is the deal. i've talked to the chief security and him and i decided together that we're not going to allow the tailored haircuts.
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would you turn around and let me see your haircut. it can be interpreted in several different ways. it could be interpreted as a tribal sign. it can be interpreted as a gang sign. you, i believe, questioned the captain when he started talking to you about your haircut. now, that's not your place as a level two inmate. you guys initially approached me, you'll get locked up if you don't go change your haircut. my understanding is that it was the way that you spoke to the captains that almost got you locked up, okay? so we have the haircut thing solved. all of the inmates are going to be advised but you need to be careful on how you address the staff here. okay? >> do we just let them grow out then? >> just let them grow out. that needs to be fixed. okay? because that was the directive of the captain. all right? >> all right. >> all right, thank you very much. >> all right.
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>> they want to see it go bald. >> oh, man. >> i don't want to go bald. >> don't touch that part. >> all right, turn around. let me see. i don't see any difference. my biggest life and death decision of today. whether to let you have your hair that way. all right. let it stay. just don't do it again and you
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too, all right? >> back at level six we caught up with kevin blanco, who seemed in much better spirits since we last saw him. >> do you want to stand here and threaten to keep playing game? >> you're right. because you all -- you're 100% [ bleep ] right and i am. >> do you think -- can you talk to me ability is it an anger problem? what is the situation with you? >> i don't think i have an anger problem. i just don't like to be lied to. for any individual who is going to push my buttons. instead of leaving me alone and let me do my time, that's my way of letting them know, leave me alone and let me do my time. >> talk me about what you've done. how you acted out. >> by --
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>> what's that? >> which is throwing urine on them. just your way of letting them know to leave you alone. >> i mean we're behind the door 24/7. we've got officers to go around antagonizing. so, you know, we're only limited to certain things that we can do. is it something i'm proud of? no. if is something i'm ashamed of, yes. i always live a negative lifestyle. i always wanted things fast. which resulted in me selling drugs and robbing and things like that. but as i got older i started realizing a lot of different things. i mean endured a lot of losses. which was my son. >> who has your son? >> some people in colorado. >> he's adopted? >> yeah.
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because i'm in prison. they made me sit down here. reflect on a lot of things in life. i still get angry sometimes and want to resort to violence but at the same time i've got to hold myself back because i know that's not the right thing to do. but i guess i'm in a struggle within myself. so until i reach that stage, mastered that, do i have reason to be cautious? yeah. >> after our interview we followed blanco to the yard where he took the opportunity to disrupt prison functions yet again. >> i will let you just say what you want to say because i know that's not how you go. i'm on long-term discipline. it goes back to the same thing.
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i already gave you guys 18 days over from the amount that you're talking about. >> okay. >> so my 20 days is up. can i go back to another cell? >> no. >> you got another report, kevin. >> i got another report -- >> before the 60 days were up. did you not? >> yeah. >> so you didn't have 60 days. because you got another report within that 60-day time frame. so are we going to have any issues until this -- >> whatever y'all say. you all have it chosen -- so you're right. talk to you later. thank you. coming up, the situation between c.e.r.t. and blanco escalates at about ten feet. plus, davon's in trouble again. >> we got a bunch of snitches. hey, the new guy is loaded with protein!
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people dead after an earthquake in mexico city tonight. republicans debated in iowa and newt gingrich came under attack from his opponents. recent comments about palestinians and even his admitted marital infidelity. let's get you back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. so this is my crib. it is 414. got a big 13-inch tv. go ahead and get a pan of that. this is my living room/bedroom/studio. we've got the tunes. that's not eight-track but cassette tape. might as well be. we don't have refrigerators in
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here. however, we do got food lockers. -- foot lockers. soup, soda, beans. some kool-aid. get some kool-aid and that's about it. >> well we have inmate kevin blanco who was a little upset. issued three disciplinary reports. he has his own way of thinking. he portrays his own outcome but it's actually there and he implies whatever he feels is appropriate. so it's one of those things that kevin blanco wants this and he wants it now. well, he's not going to get it now and the officers are concerned that they may have to extract him from this rather large rec pen. if he chooses to go that route, that's what we'll do. kevin blanco, i need you to come and cuff it up.
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blanco? he's ignoring the issues. >> they want to sit there and play their little [ bleep ] games. keep me in the cell. you all want to keep me in the cell, here's y'all's reason. you all taught i was playing. >> you refusing to come out? >> yes, i'm refusing to come out. i'm giving you a directive to come out. >> i'm refusing. >> anytime inmates refuse to peacefully exit their cells or rec pens, officers must move forward with standard extraction protocol. >> what's going on, blanco? >> man, come on. y'all can go. >> no, i'm not coming out. y'all want a reason to [ bleep ]. >> branch on the 19 yard. 1510, blanco's refusing to come out. gave him his first directive.
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time now is 4:50. >> blanco is taking his -- basically he's taking his rec pen hostage and he's refusing to come out. this happens they'll take their food for hostage. they'll take a shower hostage. if it will get the attention they want they will take it hostage. we start by getting the rest of the inmates out of the yard. >> that's it. that's it. >> once we got them out of yard bring them back in, bring my team in and give them the last and final directive. if he refuses to be cuffed, we'll extract him using whatever force is necessary. >> we'll have do an extraction in the big yard. >> as c.e.r.t. is told to get ready for a possible extraction, blanco is given his last chance to peacefully leave the recreational pen. >> kevin, it is 5:17. i'm giving you the third and final directive. come out and be cuffed.
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8:09. i just gave blanco has third directive to be restrained. he refused. >> now we're going to do whatever we need to do to get him out of there safely for everybody, him included. >> you know this is what's going to happen. we're going to go in. give him some directives. they're bringing canine down. if the directives don't work, we'll deploy with the o.c. if the o.c. doesn't work from the corner that you're at, then you need to get back in the stack. okay? so you're going to go to one corner and i'll be at the door and we'll try on crisscross in and see if we can get in. if the wind's too bad and then we will drop a cs grenade. see what effect that has. from that, if that doesn't work we'll elevate to the shotgun. i don't want the shotgun entering. gerald, you'll take the shot. okay? the shotgun doesn't go in once you take your shots you back out.
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my name is sergeant -- the time is approximately -- >> 7:08. >> 7:08 p.m. the inmate we're extracting is kevin blanco, he's refusing to come out of the recreation pen. at this time we're going to proceed. >> coming out, blanco? this is your last directive to come out. >> all right. floi -- deploy it. >> not working. >> he's too far. blanco, one more directive, you
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coming out, we're going to drop o.c. in the cage. everybody up. >> guys done yet? >> coming out, blanco? >> blanco still refuses to comply. forcing c.e.r.t. to escalate to nonlethal shotgun rounds. >> get down. take a shot. [ gunshot ] >> come on down, blanco. >> rerack. give him another one. >> coming down, blanco. >> nice shot.
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[ gunshot ] >> i'll come down if you shoot me one more time. [ gunshot ] >> all right. >> back up. back up. >> medical? >> hold up. >> i refuse. i'm all right. i'm 100% all right. >> hold on, blanco. >> check this out. >> yeah. >> we'll just take our photographs. after that if you want to refuse medical, give your clothes back and then we'll take you back. we'll get our pictures, give your clothes back and you sign the medical refusal and you're on your way back home.
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>> who's got the camera? >> put him in the cage. >> with the extraction a success, deputy warden jaramillo debriefs with his teams. >> we need to document it very clearly about putting him in a time frame, taking it from one extreme to the next. >> yeah. once the team was put together and we entered the direct entrance, we approached the rec pen he was in. i gave him verbal directions to come out and he refused my directives and advised him that we're going to introduce o.c. we attempted to hit him with the o.c. but it didn't reach him. after that we elevated to cs. the cs didn't have any effect. we elevated with a shotgun. after the sixth round he complied. he came to the cuffing port and was restrained and removed from
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the area. >> what was his persona at the time when this was happening? was he immediately responding to being hit? was he responding to it? >> no, it didn't seem like he had any immediate effects at all from any of the rounds. >> all right, if he was stabbing somebody they're not going to stop him. >> he just climbed off the basketball goal and surrendered. next, staff may have won the battle but to blanco, this means war. >> he was being disruptive in his cell. so bring him over here to the medical and to the crisis cell. >> strip down and stay right there. with my friends, we'll do almost anything.
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searches are routinely conducted throughout pnm. based on information from level two informants, officers find two homemade syringes in the dorm. >> captain. >> no. >> whenever we find something on that extent, obviously there's got to be -- there's got to be some type of narcotics around. >> right. >> i do have a list of inmates that are notorious for involving themselves in illegal drug activity over here. so maybe they'll be a good team. >> a good place to start. >> good job. >> i'm sure there are some inmates that will be hurting tonight. >> yep. >> if we have inmates that have priors, what we'll do is go and select them randomly so where they don't have any time to clean themselves up. >> we'll need 106 pena. >> bring them to the gym. we'll centralize them here. we'll give them the one hour, as per policy that is required of
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them. >> gentlemen, you have one hour to submit a urine. >> yes, sir. this way. >> all right. >> watch grown men pee in a cup isn't a fun job. it takes up to about five minutes before the test actually proves positive or negative. actually you can probably see that one is really, really dark. that one is pretty light. that one on the meth. i think. >> wait for the full five minutes. >> it's been a good five minutes. good. >> let him go. >> yes. >> you're good to go. >> thank you. >> this inmate's test came up clean but unfortunately for davon lymon, his came up dirty. >> just seems we've got a bunch of snitches. they get in trouble and they -- instead of taking the consequences like they should you know what i'm saying, they start to get everybody else
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involved. writing notes saying you're doing this, doing that. you don't got to be doing nothing but they're still going to get you. i got a dirty -- i've been trying to fight it. so i don't know. >> what does that mean? >> they messed up on it. i will see if they will follow their policy and get rid of it. >> that means he's a dope fiend. >> you. >> davon may be laughing now but if found guilty he could lose his family visit. >> it's been less than one month since kevin blanco was extracted from his cell. >> go turn around, be restrained. chemical agents must be deployed into your cell. >> and only two days since the incident in the rec yard.
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>> you done yet? >> rerack. >> give him another one. [ gunshot ] >> today he's acting out yet again. leaving prison staff no choice but to keep him in a 72-hour medical observation cell. >> he's holding his port door hostage so we have to take him out of his cell. when we approached his cell we will take inmate kevin blanco to the shower about 10:00. we opened the food port. he stuck his arm out of the food port and held it hostage until he said, please go get your goon squad. i'm not coming out until you get your goon squad and tried to reverse the role and try to break the system. and switch it back on us, you know? go ahead and strip down. >> i'm not going through this again. >> i know. but i'm going to stay if i knew
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i was going to come over here. y'all just going to do that [ bleep ]. >> you've done it before. i need you to strip. >> come in here when you all ready. >> you have to strip. if you're in there all day, i don't care. >> leave him in. he's not going anywhere. until you strip down you are going to stay right there. i'm not doing anything different than what we've done before. come out of the cell, you do your strip search. that's policy. that's what we always do. just do your strip search and it's over and done with. are you going to strip or not? [ banging on window ]
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>> after a 20-minute standoff blanco finally complies with the strip search but not without expressing his displeasure with the procedure. >> [ bleep ]. so if you guys want to come and do this, then let's get this [ bleep ] over with. [ bleep ] from this cell man. if not you guys come own get me. let's do it. [ bleep ]. i just got done complying with you guys. >> got a little hurt there with his hands. throwing a tantrum. hitting the cage, but he'll be all right. next, blanco gets out of medical only to hold his cell hostage again. >> get suited up. >> we're down to 14 now.
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inmate davon lymon anxiously awaits to see if his dirty ua will be dismissed or not. a decision that will affect his pending family visit. >> i feel like i got in trouble. like i'm waiting for the principal. i really have no idea what's going on. >> what do you think is going on? >> a billion and one things. i'm in trouble. i'm not in trouble. when i went to do the ua, it came up positive. and i got upset and they took me to the cage and they let me out and i've been waiting for the report for almost a month.
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the best-case scenario would be to drop it. the worst-case scenario is they find me guilty and send me to the hole. i won't see my kids for how long i'm in the hole. >> you are waiting to see me? >> yes, ma'am. >> i have something important to tell you. that you need to go pack your stuff. you're found guilty of that report. i have a bed for you. >> all right. >> not really. >> they dismissed the report. >> okay. >> but i have my eye on you. you understand? >> yes, ma'am. >> i don't want to hear your name. i don't want to see your name on a piece of paper coming across my desk. i don't want to see you on a dirty ua, you understand me? >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. >> that wasn't, funny, though. i really thought i was going to go to the hole. i'm telling you i started sweating when she said i'm going to the hole. i'm going to sleep. i'm going to hide under my bunk they don't have to worry about me. no ticket this, no ticket that.
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i'm hiding. >> this is his one and only chance to straighten up or he needs to move. >> cleared of the dirty ua charge davon is granted his family visit. >> i got a little present for them for the fathers with readers. with a cd, a book and a picture. i read a story to him on the cd. so it'll give him something to listen to. and something to have fun with? i see my kids usually once every other week. and we'll just play, color, and just come see me. >> hi, daddy. >> what are you all doing? can i have a hug? that's their little present they have to look at. >> yes. that's book, tape. >> are you gave us books. >> yeah, but you get another one. >> oh, cool. >> i'm supposed to get out hopefully around september of next year. i'll be getting ready to hit 30 years old. 29, 30 years old when i get out of the penitentiary. >> come on.
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>> how come you don't smile in the picture? >> you told me not to, remember? >> smile. >> oh. >> i got some kids i got to raise. i've got make sure that they don't have to go through some the stuff that i went through. >> after blanco successfully completes 72 hours of medical, deputy warden jaramillo must decide whether he'll be returned to his cell. >> well, inmate blanco is still in medical. we're going to move him now to a different pod. i talked to him yesterday and he says he's going to conduct himself in a more appropriate level of behavior so we're going to move him to a different cell. i think he's done with his disruptive behavior, at least for the meantime. he's kevin blanco and next week it will be a different story but for this week i believe he's done. >> i get to be transported back to my cell.
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a cell is a cell. it's still going to be a box. i got like water and a sink and a toilet. >> how's it going today, kevin? >> it's going all right. >> you know what's going to happen today, right? >> not necessarily, no. >> we'll put you back in the cell. your 60 days will start. step two, do you understand that? >> yes. >> so based on our conversation yesterday should we expect any further problems from you? >> probably not. >> probably not? come on, give me a little bit more than that. >> i don't know. >> you don't know? do you have any questions about where you're going to be placed at? >> no. >> any concerns with it? >> no. >> all right. well, just so that you're clear your time starts yesterday. >> all right. >> all right? that's it. >> that's it.
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>> all right. >> 15 minutes of fame. >> get suited up, we're down to 14 now. >> giving direct orders. pull your hand back in the food port. back in a few minutes, i will let you think about it. i hope you decide to put your hands back in, okay? let's go for a few. >> gerald, i knew that you were right there. i knew you wouldn't leave.
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