newt gingrich confessed his sins and mitt romney might have to confess his sins next. >> romney has this way of newt gingrich confessed his sins and mitt romney might have to confess his sins next. >> romney has this way of inducing cringes. >> $10,000? >> i think i saw a hair move on romney's head. >> his lack of human emotions get in the way sometimes when he is on the defensive. >> let's be candid. the only reason you didn't become a career politician is you lost to teddy kennedy in 1994. >> when romney is trying not to, to try to seem in touch, it is a gaffe. >> if i would have been able to get in the nfl like i hoped when i was a kid i would have been a football star all my life, too. >> i could have been a contender. >> mitt romney has a problem on his hands. >> a new poll shows mitt romney is trailing newt gingrich in south carolina and florida. >> in florida, a state that was supposed to save mitt romney, gingrich's lead is also strong. he is up to 44% to romney's 29. >> that is not a surge. that's secretariat coming down

the stretch in the belmont. >> back in 1994, newt gingrich was the hero of the republican party. why are not more members of that famous class of '94, the republican revolution, why aren't they their form he leader? >> the more the established base criticizes him, i think it blows newt up with the alternative. >> he is overflowing with opinions. >> newt gingrich in '94 is the base that the republican party remembers. they don't remember any of this other extraneous stuff. >> it looks like we have a contract with the devil replacing the contract with america. >> i've made mistakes at times. i've had to go to god to forgiveness. >> if you like the christian tenets, it is about repentance and forgiveness and reconciliation. i think he is doing well on that issue because he's been straightforward. the best mitt romney can do is hope mitt fumbles. that's not a strategy. that's desperation. >> are you sure this is the right way to handle this? >> keep going, keep going.

>> now that he's a catholic and a presidential candidate, newt gingrich has become smoothly practiced at publicly confessing his sins. >> speaker gingrich, what do voters need to know about this issue from your perspective? >> i think people have to look at the person to whom they're going to loan the presidency. i think people have to render judgment flx my case i've said up front openly. i've made mistakes at times. i've had to go to god for forgiveness. i'm also a 68-year-old grandfather. and i think people have to measure who i am now and whether i'm a person they can trust. >> newt is the oldest candidate for president who has ever publicly stressed his age as an asset. what he is obviously implying by always referring to himself as a 68-year-old grandfather when he is discussing the youthful sexual indiscretions he found himself tied up in when he was in his 50s, is that at age 68,

he simply won't have the strength to respond the same way. when he feels the excitement of washington power throbbing through his body. the republican primary electorate who are well versed in the christian doctrine of forgiveness seem to be taking a long look at the roly poly 68-year-old gingrich, and betting that it is unlikely that he will be as active in office romance in the oval office as he was in the speaker's office. and so he has surged past willard m. romney in the polls, leaving romney a desperate shell of his former self. mitt romney, the man with the longest winning streak in the history of presidential debates on saturday night was reduced to this. >> i read your first book and it said in there that your mandate in massachusetts should be the model for the country. i know it came out of the reprint of the book, but you

can, i'm just saying, you were for individual mandates, my friend. >> you know what? you've raised that before, rick. >> it was true then. it's true now. >> i'll tell you what. $10,000. a 10,000 bet? >> i'm be in the betting business. >> okay. >> do you know who else is not supposed to be in the betting business? devout mormon mitt romney. in the gospel topics section of the official website of the mormon church, the faithful are taught about gambling. the church of jesus christ of latter day saints is opposed to gambling, including lotteries sponsored by governments. gambling is motivated by a desire to get something for nothing. this desire is spiritually destructive. it leads participants away from the savior's teachings of love and service and toward the selfishness of the adversary.

in other words, the devil wants to you gamble. god doesn't. the mormon position against gambling is not a central tenet of the religion. it is a matter of policy rather than doctrine. there isn't an emphatic prohibition on gambling the way there is on drinking alcohol or caffeine or smoking. in their oral testimonies of their fidelity to the teachings of the church that mormons must give to gain access to mormon temples, gambling isn't even on the church's check list for entrance to the temples. but mormons have been told not to gamble repeatedly by the church's elders, and the current president of the mormon church. and so good mormons don't gamble. and mitt romney is a very good mormon. so in utah, where there is still no state lottery, thanks to mormon influence, ears popped on saturday night when they heard mitt romney propose a bet on the republican debate stage. >> i'll tell you what.

$10,000? $10,000 bet? >> i'm not in the betting business. >> rick perry, a form i hadbly republican got that one debate answer right. both religiously and politically. the moment left mormons hoping that romney was joking. but joking about sin is not one of the richer veins of mormon comedy. the only real sin romney committed in that moment was political. the richest guy on the stage emphasizing that he could buy and sell everyone else on that stage, including the other rich guys on the stage, and thinking that should impress primary voters. the $10,000 bet will forever be enshrined in the presidential debate hall of shame. joining me now, political senior

writer, also "washington post" opinion writer, dana. thank you both for joining me tonight. the $10,000 bet. just when you think you've seen every wacky thing that can happen in a republican debate. >> it was really astonishing. mitt romney has this reputation of being flawless in these debates and doing so well. there he is punching down at a guy who was last at about 10% in the iowa polls. there was no reason for this. it shows that he was rattled. it showed that he was not in control of himself or did not feel good about that. not as many fire as newt gingrich was. he has really had trouble getting past this. his rivals have hit him on. and people are understanding it. >> the mormon church is not the only one that preaches against the evils of gambling. in fact, most churches do and certainly, the evangelical church is included on the list

of things to avoid in a saintly life. this thing was wrong on so many levels. it just feels like the wildest pitch that has been thrown in these debates so far. >> it is pretty nutty. certainly we have the religious component of it. two-thirds of the voters in the iowa republican caucuses identify themselves as religious conservatives. but you have to consider beyond that, the size of the wager. $10,000. a sizable amount. the average eye want's annual income. this is from a guy who imports horses from france and has many homes around the country. so it was almost sort of just, you know, a turret syndrome which posing this man's weakest point. i would hesitate to say it was a game changer since he was already sort of falling apart

before that but this didn't help. >> it felt like a backstage moment back in the day when they talked that way. i betcha $10,000. >> i want to go to romney, explaining how his life has not always been easy. this is how he does it. and he has to go to his youthful days in france in order to make the point. let's listen to this. >> i grew up in a home with a great deal of affluence. my parents had done very well. my dad had grown up poor. he wanted us to work hard. as an american i had everything i needed. and i was asked to go up by my church to go live in france. france is not exactly a third world country, obviously. but when we go there, we live on our own savings and we had a limit. we were able to receive $110 in savings. i lived with people who lived very modestly. the number of apartments i was in didn't have toilets. most had no refrigerators.

most of the apartments had no shower or bathtub. i lived in a way that people of lower middle income in france lived. and i said to myself, wow, i sure am lucky to be born in the united states of america. >> okay. i don't think that exactly clears up the whole mitt knows what it's like to be down and out. but the real key to this is the dates. mitt was doing this at ages 19 to 21. july 1966 to december 1968. at the very height of the vietnam war. and he was doing this instead of military service. he did not go into combat in vietnam and get that distinguished combat record that newt gingrich is so proud of. no. wait a minute. none of these guys did that. they all passed on this war. and this story, if he stays with it, is simply going to emphasize chapter 1 of how romney avoided

military service during the war of his youth. >> i certainly think that's part of it. although i think that's much harder in a general election if he is up against barack obama. i think it is less of an issue. if this continued, rick perry who is a vet, he would emphasize that a great deal. i think what this did is a couple of thing. talking about your time in france does not sound like the common man thing. but what was interesting is mitt romney very rarely talks about his mormonism. as you noted earlier, this is something that rarely gets mentioned by him. it is something his team for obvious reasons does not talk about. the fact that he was a mormon was used against him in the iowa caucuses in 2007. there has always been a concern that this would become an issue for evangelical voters again. so they have not emphasized it. he already knows he is not doing

well in iowa he does not expect to win. he will get what he has and not much more than that. whatever he is pulling at now is his base. number two, he is trying for a human pivot. he is trying to show that he can connect with people. not just on, i was in an apartment with no refrigerators and a bucket as a toilet but he can relate to the average person on an emotional level. a human level. that is something he has struggled with this whole time. the question is whether it is a little too late now and we'll find out. >> dana, romney has started to hit newt. he hit him on the issue of was he a lobbyist or a consultant or an historian when he was raking in the bucks on k street. then newt hit back, talking about bain capital and what the record was. there let's listen to how newt hit back at the rich republican guy. >> i love the way he and his consultants do these things. >> i would like to say that if he would like to give back all the money he's earned from laying back companies over his years there, that i would be glad to listen to that. i'll bet you $10, not $10,000, that he won't take the offer.

>> if romney is the nominee, newt just cut a commercial for the democrats. that's what they're starting to build up in the files. they're each creating commercials for the democrats to use if the other one is the nominee. >> right. i think it was about 24 hours earlier that newt said he would be relentlessly positive here. he is done with that, i guess. that was a long stretch for newt on this. and one reason he cannot go too strongly after romney on this, because this is the guy who said, look, i didn't get 1.6 million from freddie mac for lobbying because i was making $60,000 a pop giving speeches. he could make six bets with rick perry and lose them all for the price of just one of those speeches. yes, all these things will indeed be put aside by david axelrod for use later. but as we saw in 2008, the protracted primary doesn't necessarily mortally wound

either of the surviving candidates. >> it certainly loads up the obama campaign with ammunition. thank you both very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you. newt gingrich lost almost every member of his campaign staff last june. now as the new front-runner, gingrich's former spokesman is now pulling a gingrich. and confessing his sins. in this case, gingrich. he is confessing his sins against gingrich and is begging for god's -- i mean, gingrich's forgiveness. we'll see if good inge extends current forgiveness to his former campaign staffers. that's next. president obama is gearing up for the 2012 fight by saying it doesn't matter which republican gets the nomination. they all have the same failed vision. richard wolffe will analyze the early days of the obama re-election campaign and that 60 minutes interview. and later, after we're sure the kids are asleep, we will show you fox news star megan kelly touching something she

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surely they had killed him off. this is the way it always worked. a lesser person could not have survived the first few minutes of the onslaught. but out of the billowing smoke and dust of tweets and trivia, emerged gingrich. once again, ready to lead those who won't be intimidated by the political elite. and are ready to take on the challenges america faces --

>> that is a dramatic reading from the most famous real press release of the 2012 campaign, performed by john lithgow. on may 19, the author of that press release was long time gingrich spokesman rick tyler who was responding to the tidal wave gingrich was getting after the seemingly disastrous enter swu with david gregory on "meet the press" where gingrich criticized the republican man of the year paul ryan. >> i don't think right wing social engineering has any more desirable than left wing social engineering. i don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate. i think we need a national conversation to get to a better medicare system with more choices for seniors. >> but not what paul ryan is suggesting. >> i think that is too big a jump. i'm against obamacare which is imposing radical change and i'll be against a conservative radical change.

>> less than a month after penning that wicked press release, rick tyler joined the mass exodus who quit the campaign. the candidacy they had left for dead is now at the top of all of the polls in the race for the republican presidential nomination. joining me now, rick tyler, a long time aide and spokesman to house speaker newt gingrich and a former communications aide for the 2012 campaign. thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> how are you? i have to say that john lithgow, not bad. a few inflection changes but on balance he did all right. >> kind of the way you heard it as you were writing it. that was the way it was supposed to be performed. >> if you look at the text, i am awaiting my golden chariot. >> so, rick, how are you feeling? >> i'm doing fine. i'm so impressed with your

knowledge of that. >> you leave the campaign, when to all of us it looked like a raging disaster. the man had gone off on a cruise of the greek isles when he was supposed to be in iowa. he was not doing any of the stuff you're supposed to be doing out there on the road. and he seemed to say, based on what we took from some of the statements you and the other staff, some of the things you said to the press, his idea was i can wing it in the debates. and the television power of the debates is all i really need. and that it seems turns out to be true. >> gosh, it did turn out to be true. newt's biggest mistake was hiring senior advisers in the first place. it turns out he doesn't need them. he is the smartest political thinker in the country bar none. maybe bill clinton. look where he is now. i've got to hand it to him. >> smartest -- this is your audition for getting back on the

gingrich campaign. it is going pretty well so far. he is watching. we told him you would be on and he could reconsider this whole thing. make your pitch to newt right now. why does he need you if you left him when he thought he needed you? >> newt doesn't need me. that's the whole point. i'm going to help newt. i will do everything to help newt, whether i will inside the campaign or outside the campaign. >> are all of you that were in the campaign walking around washington saying what can we do? this is the biggest mistake anybody has ever made? any campaign staff has ever made? >> i can't speak for others. i know what happened to me. we had an avalanche fall on us. most everybody thought so. including the press. they all abandoned newt. and i lost my perspective. the truth is when you work for a candidate like newt or any candidate, you serve them. when you lose your perspective, you can't serve them. so in retrospect, i lost my perspective, i couldn't serve him. i have my perspective back now. i see it clearly.

he is pavarotti among rock stars. >> you spoke about main stream media of the campaign. >> i wouldn't say that. it didn't seem we were getting any traction or momentum. i had the short term perspective we were dead. newt had the long term perspective and he is now ascending the mountain. >> i want to show you this clip of him going after romney. >> i love the way he does that. i would say that if governor romney would like to give back all the money he's earned from bankrupting companies and laying off employees over his years, i would be glad to listen to it. i'll bet you $10 that he won't take the offer. >> i want to you make sense of that with what we're going to show from you a town hall meeting tonight where he is

saying that they should not be saying anything bad about each other. let's listen to that. >> tomorrow morning, i'll release a letter to my staff, to any consultants, and to any surrogates we have, indicating that our determination to run a positive campaign and also indicating that should any super pack that is doing so in my name attack any of my friends who are running, that i would publicly disown them and urge people not to donate to them. >> okay. remember, this is your ongoing audition. >> the surrogate. i have to be careful here. >> you. do that doesn't make any sense. that he is out there backing romney and then he gets up there. >> you missed the whole front part of it. he is responding to romney. romney threw out a citizen civil. the reporters asked him what his response was. he came up with a pithy response and it was a good response.

i think it was fair game. he rose to the occasion. he is not out there proactively. he had a reaction. >> but most of the speech and campaign, 50% of it, you're responding to the other party. >> i'll make you a bet. >> a $10,000 bet? >> whatever you want. a dollar, a million. whatever you want. you don't say anything bad about the republican candidates and i won't say anything about barack obama from now until november. >> i like rick perry am not in the betting business. rick tyler -- >> you can learn something. >> form he gingrich spokesman, i hope newt brings you back. >> take care. donald trump returns to the rewrite tonight. now that he's been humiliated by the boycott of most republican candidates. he is doing a frantic rewrite of his debate. and he does double duty tonight because he is the guest star in tonight's premier episode of megan kelly touches something disgusting.

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adventures. back in the good old days when sarah palin was lying about the possible that she would run for president, a reality about todd doing anything would be an instant sale. but now the hollywood reporter confirms what viewers of this program knew was bound to happen. that sarah palin is having trouble selling another reality tv show. tlc owner discovery communications has passed, say sources. and a & e network which entered into a bidding war for sarah palin's alaska also is not interested. says one network insider, i think it is safe to say her time has passed. sarah palin and viewers of this program knew this day would come. >> she needs to drive up the value of her public appearances, drive up her speaking fees, drive up her prices as a reality tv star. and the only way for her to do that is to keep speculation alive that she might, might run for president.

because the day, the day that it becomes absolutely clear to everyone who doesn't already get it that palin will never run for president, on that day she becomes worth half as much or less as a reality tv star. president obama and michele bachmann agree on something. there is no difference between mitt romney and newt gingrich. both will offer failing vigs for moving forward. we'll discuss the beginning days of the re-election efforts. and later, more on alec baldwin's run-in with american airlines from american airlines pilot captain rogers. also tonight, our first episode of -- megan kelly touches something disgusting. you really do not want to miss

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bankrupt because you get sick or somebody in your family gets sick. making sure that we have reform the financial system so we never again have taxpayer funded bailouts and the system is more stable and secure. ending don't ask don't tell. decimating al qaeda, including bin laden being taken off the field. when it comes to the economy, we've got a lot more work to do. and we're going to keep on at it. >> the president was asked about the republicans who are trying to take his job away from him. >> it doesn't really matter who the nominee is going to be. the core philosophy they're expressing is the same. and the contrast in visions between where i want to take the country and where they say they want to take the country is going to be stark. the american people will have a good choice and it will be a good debate. >> what do you make of the surge by former speaker gingrich?

>> he is somebody who has been around a long time. and is good on tv. is good in debates. but mitt romney has shown himself to be somebody who is good at politics as well. he has had a lot of practice at it. i think that they will be going at it for a while. >> joining me now, msnbc political analyst richard wolfe, the author of survival inside the white house. i was struck by the president not really going one way or the other on those two possible opponents. there was a time when i think he would have gone in much harder and clearer on mitt romney, assuming romney would be the nominee and the tougher republican to beat. but that almost sounded like the obama campaign isn't sure which one of these guys they want to face.

>> well, look, they have a pretty clear strategy of trying to take down mitt romney. and if you push them hard, they'll say, well, we still think romney will be the nominee. a little doubt that has crept in. maybe a little disingenuous. there is a two-fer play here. either romney emerges as the weaker romney. the one they have in mind, what the democrats did very effectively in nevada where they ended up with sharon angle. the president prevailed because the republicans close such an extreme out of main stream candidate. so yes, he was, he had faint praise on the gingrich side. he maybe push romney a little harder than the polls warrant. but overall, their focus is still on mitt romney and maybe it is getting a little late in the day to do that. >> richard, i want to show something that i thought was a new selling point that the president was framing. let's listen to how he said

this. >> the one thing i've prided myself on before i was president, and it turns out that it continues to be true as president. i'm a persistent son of a gun. i just stay at it. and i'm going to keep on staying at it as long as i'm in this office. and we're going to get it right. and america will succeed. i am absolutely confident about that. >> i think he is going to earn majority agreement among the electorate on the point of his persistence and being a persistent son of a gun, as he put it. is that a new note that i'm hearing? >> yes, it is. i thought that was the most revealing point in this whole interview. and he volunteered it. you know, there are two sort of axis here. for the right, either a radical socialist or an incompetent wimp. on the left he is either full of

hope and inspiration or he's a disappointing bust. there is another narrative out there which is true of him in 2008 campaign, it's true of him through his presidency. that he grinds this out. he does not take no for an answer. even when it is from his aides or the pundits write him off. there would be no health care without it. he would have given up very early on in his presidential campaign. maybe even before newt gingrich gave up in terms of the kind of mass opinions saying you're never going anywhere with this. so persistence, doggedness, the chess game in a town of checkers. that is at least his image and one of the reasons he's prevailed in so many things when people have written him off. >> steve croft asked him about overpromising. he quoted a promise from the president's campaign and said, have you lived up to those promises? and let's listen to what the president had to say. >> i didn't overpromise and i didn't underestimate how tough this was going to be.

i always believed that this was a long term project. that reversing a culter here in washington, dominated by special interests was going to take more than a year. more than two years. it was going to take more than one term. probably takes more than one president. >> richard, i may be the only one who didn't think he ever overpromised because i didn't think the things he was talk b were accomplishable in some four-year time frame or accomplished only by a president. he was talk b washington cooperation. he can't cooperate with himself. he has to get the house and the senate. i think he underestimates something critical. in a moment of crisis, his basic assumption, and of his whole team was that republicans would come on board with something to save the american and the world economy. that was not the case. maybe it was naive. maybe it was unprecedented. i don't know hue blame for that.

the world didn't work out that way. it is not just about the special interests. it is about reading the politics as they were. in his own words, the world as it is turned out not to be the world as it ought to be. and the world in a crisis after 9/11 was a certain degree, a minimal degree of a country coming together. it didn't happen. >> richard wolffe, thank you for joining us. >> thanks, lawrence. up next, and you don't want to miss this. our first episode of megan kelly touches something disgusting. when you're a sports photographer, things can get out of control pretty quickly. so i like control in the rest of my life... especially my finances. that's why i have slate, with blueprint. i can make a plan to pay off big stuff faster... or avoid interest on everyday things. that saves me money. with slate from chase, i'm always in control.

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the trump debate is all over. after new york's biggest embarrass many, donald trump was humiliated by the refusal of most of the candidates refusing to be moderated by a man who does not know the meaning of the word moderate. trump himself has given up on the debate. he is no longer calling the not yet canceled event a debate. he has rewritten the concept and now calls it simply, a chat. here he is this morning on fox news. >> now that there is just two, are you definitely committed to

still having this december 27th debate? >> this is a news max debate. a very powerful group. they asked me to do it. and they want me to maybe, and it could happen this way, i have a lot of respect for newt. and if you look at the courage that some of these people have shown which is none, and look at what's happened to them. in all fairness, i like mitt romney. he is a really nice guy. you'll be interviewing him soon but his numbers have gone down very substantially said he said no. and a lot of people think it is because it showed a lack of decisiveness and a lack of courage in going over this debate. and you look at what that with newt. newt has gone up like a rocket ship. so you know, i respect that. we may just do a chat. newt and i may just do a chat. >> what do you mean by that? >> we may just talk about the world and about the economy and maybe it will be interesting to people. >> maybe it will be interesting to people? how many people? sounds like fox and friends is a little too early in the morning

for donald. by the time he got out of his pajamas and on to the set of the view today, he thought his newt chat would be interesting to a lot of people. >> are you still going to have debates with just two candidates? >> we may have a chat. i may chat with newt for an hour and i think it will do well. everyone says we'll have the highest ratings if we do it. everyone says we'll have the highest ratings if we do it? >> here is everyone who said that his debate, which has now been downgraded to a chat, will get high ratings. >> you know, i'm a ratings machine, according to everybody. i get great ratings. i think it is a good idea. i get good ratings. the apresent it is gets good ratings. i get the ratings. a lot of people would watch. >> you know i do get ratings. i do get ratings. and he west virginia on the biggest ratings. >> absolutely. >> and here is trump tonight chatting with bill o'reilly

about the chat. >> newt gingrich is showing up and santorum is showing up. are you going to show up to this debate? is it going to happen? >> well, i am going to show up and maybe we'll just have a chat. we might discuss the world and we'll discuss it with ourselves. i have a lot of respect for newt. he came in and he said, you know what? i'll do it. immediately he said immediately. maybe we'll just do a chat. newt and i will talk about what has to be done. >> and you're going to ignore santorum? >> no, no. he'll be there. he is not doing great in the polls. let's put it this way. but did he accept. >> you have to ask him a few questions. >> you're right. and he's been very nice and very gracious. and i would absolutely have him there. >> trump's television book tour has turned into a humiliation tour. even his long time friend bill o'reilly cannot keep a straight face when trump begins to talk about the debate that he has now been forced to downgrade to a mere chat.

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on wednesday this week, actor alec baldwin was kick off an american airlines flight after he refused to turn off his phone and stop playing words

with friends. here to comment, the pilot of that flight, captain steve rogers. >> captain steve rogers was actually alec baldwin playing alec baldwin trying get to away with playing an american airlines pilot on weekend update on saturday night live this weekend. according to the reporting, the spokesman matthew said that baldwin had nothing to do with the idea. snl head writer seth meyers approached him with it last week when they wanted to move on from the public relations nightmare. he said seth meyers came one the concept and it wasn't like we approached them. we were interested in moving on but seth came one the concept and alec was willing to play along. not surprisingly, some of the good people at american airlines didn't think alec baldwin's appearance on saturday night

live was funny. here's real american airlines pilot steve roach. >> i was disappointed that it was making light of something fairly serious and was poking fun at a group of employees at a very proud and historic airline who are going through a tough period right now. >> to steve roach, i would first like to say, thank you for every safe landing you have ever made in your career. given the frequency of my flying on american, there is every likelihood that i have put my life in your hands at least once. what you do for a living is more serious than anything alec ballot baldwin or i have ever done or are ever likely to do. people are much too smart to entrust their lives to men in make-up. but saturday night live is a comedy show which every week, like all comedy shows, deals with some very serious things in a comedic way. the president of the united states has a very serious job, works in a very serious place,

and is used as a comedy tool every night of the week on television. now, let's look a little closer at the concept that the brilliant seth meyers came up with. alec baldwin would conspire with a tv news anchor to go on a news broadcast and try to get away with impersonating an american airlines pilot rising in comical absurdist defense and praise of alec baldwin. seth meyers' script doesn't attempt to offer one word of real explanation of what happened on that airplane. and as for poking fun at american airlines employees, the way i saw this, all the fun here is poked by alec baldwin at alec baldwin. >> so, captain rogers, what is your take on the vents of last wednesday? >> it was awful, seth. which is why it was very important for me to come here tonight and on behalf of everyone at american airlines,

issue an apology to mr. alec baldwin. >> alec, are you sure this is the right way to handle this? >> yeah, yeah, keep going, keep going. >> so let me get this straight. you, captain rogers, want to apologize to alec baldwin. >> yes, he is an american treasure. and i am ashamed at the way he was treated. i mean, what harm would it do to let him keep playing his game? not any game, mind you, but a word game for smart people. >> but captain rogers, don't phones interfere with the phone's communication system? >> you don't believe that, do you, seth? would you really get on an airplane that flew 30,000 feet in the air if you thought one kindle switch could take it down? come on. it's just a cruel joke perpetrated by the airline industry. and we would have gotten away with it, but alec baldwin was