joining the grio.com. welcome. when we left friday, there seemed to be a payroll tax deal in the works, but fighting appears to have put us back at square one. texas republican congressman blake farnhold tweeted over the weekend, my wife bought a pink tree. obviously, i did not get home from d.c. soon enough. saying nothing whether pink christmas trees are bad or not, joining us with the latest on the payroll tax cut fight, luke russert. luke, good day. >> good day, alex. how are you? zpl i am good. i am not one for the sports metaphors, so i will let you clarify. did boehner effectively call an audible here? is that what is going on on capitol hill? >> i would go a step further. let's say that mitch mcconnell was the coach of the gop here and they agree today a play and went to the line of scrimmage and quarterback boehner realized

his team was out of position and started calling a huge time-out to restructure themselves. if you're john boehner realizing that on a conference call yesterday, the house gop would not pass this two-month extension, 90% of support was negotiated by mitch mcconnell, who i don't think anyone would say is a progressive liberal, if you will, trying to undermine republican clause. and this bill is now being seen by the house gop as just another temporary band-aid. they want to have a full year extension and a lot of this is exattention if president obama will use this two-month period of where these extensions can really -- they don't want to have the tax cut for working americans. a lot of those taxes are not wanting to be dealt with in the next few months.

also, they felt their bill was good, but their bill had poison pills, including reforms on employment benefits that would go down to 59 weeks. that had a lot of opposition among senate democrats as well as the pay fors. surt surtax. democrats dropped that. republicans wanted to have a freeze on federal workers' benefits. there's a lot of issues that people felt could not be done leading up until january 1st, when the issue, 160 working million americans would see a tax increase. that's why you saw the two-month extension. they want to have this week to keep on dealing. >> do a little pregame show for us. there's a vote, the house is scheduled to vote in the next six hours on this. what are the scenarios? the senate is gone. >> the senate gone. democratic aides have said they do not plan on coming back. so if that is true, what you're going to see now is is join boehner's going to go to the house floor. they're going to vote on the senate bill first. every democrat will vote for it.

every republican will vote gens it. now, surprisingly 27 republicans crossed over, it could pass, but we don't expect that. what you're then going to see is the house vote to go to conference. there would be confer rees from the senate, but the one problem with that is if the senate is not here, they don't, they won't appoint because they can't unless they are here. >> that would be a problem. the senate not actually being there to confirm. >> so, basically, getting back to this case of who blinks first. is the senate comfortable enough, especially democrats saying we did our job. but expect the house republicans to really hammer away saying we don't need to go on vacation. it's going to be a real battle of talking points and sound bites before we see what's going to happen. >> and it wouldn't be congress without that. to my panel here, i wonderf, wh

blinks first. it's hard to ask that question when one person is kind of, one party, which is to say the senate, isn't looking in the same direction. they're out, right? i want to talk a little bit about the implications for the white house. we know president obama has been bloodied in h previous debates over debt and so on and so fovrt. does he end up winning this? does it look like congress, hopefully, a package will be passed. obama has stayed outside the fray. what are the implications at the end of the year, does obama get lift from this? >> i think it depends on what happens. he's going into an election year. democrats can use that message that congress couldn't get their act together enough to do extend it for a full year and it can

use the talking point that keep that fight, the same fight that's been going on right now. you can't pass payroll tax. you're not giving the middle class and lower income people tax breaks. they can keep on using that. so right now, what time is it? they are winning it at this very minute. >> but at some point, does it look like he's dodging? he didn't even address the keystone pipeline. didn't take any questions. >> it looks like he is dodging the issue and trying not to address it. >> let's talk about keystone because the president said, if any payroll tax package comes across my desk and has keystone in it, i am not passing it. now, it looks like he has a package that has keystone in it. some folks including sam stein said it was bad for republicans who want the keystone pipeline to go forward because the state department made the issue of the permit. speeding up the timeline is cutting themselves off at the knees, but the optics of the

president who said i don't want this in there and then taking it, does that diminish his credibility and power? >> i think it does in some ways. we're constantly in a case where i'm not going to sign x, and then does. in this case, he's not conceded the whole issue. it's not clear that the pipeline will start in march. it will start be a creation in march. another point in which he's basically losinging the argument to the republicans again. last year at this time, it was i won't allow a tax cut for the rich and then well, i will, i guess. >> didn't he kind of win that? didn't we all at the end of the year, don't ask don't tell was repe repealed. new start was passed and the ug ug ugly thorn or the bush tax cuts. >> i think in washington, there's two ways to win. one is you win. the other is, you make your opponent lose and the republicans have shown themselves to be very adept at that second piece.

so you and luke had i thought a marvelous sports analogy going on there. but football only takes you so far because the great thing about football is even in overtime, the game ends and if you have more points, win. and it's clear and the problem here is keystone. i think the republicans can get a win politically, not based on what happens. but based on the idea that obama is bungling it. that people think he said one thing and did another and if it does go down in a pile of blame, they will be in the position to say we blame you and so the difference though i think in the payroll tax cut, the senate left having done something. they are the upper body. >> but two months. really on ground hog day is the day this is getting to. ground hog day. >> as republicans, they'll say, hey, we passed something, too, they just didn't like it. >> i think the feeling here because they passed something

that they said was going to work with 89 votes. >> it's ridiculous. we're celebrating this? it's ridiculous. i can't even handle it. only in politics will you celebrate something you have to revisit in two months. >> i think also unlike in previous battles and debates over spending and taxes, you know, john boehner really doesn't seem to have his caucus in order and throughout this process in particular, it's been eric cantor on the side saying we're not going to do it. you really get the sense that boehner wants to go forward for a bigger deal and just keeps getting pulled back. you have that at the same time there is a real debate over income equality in a sense that the sort of hard core right wing part of the party does not care about the working and middle class and it does not bode well for republicans looking for a 2012 race. >> look at what happened this year. the debt ceiling was a routine

vote for years and years and years and then this year, we were right up to the line. and we were right up to the line several times with the debt ceiling, so he's gone through this so many times and i think his instingt is to negotiate and i know that's a dirty word. >> as boehner's office said earlier, it's not brink man ship. it's legislating. we'll see how well that holds up. thank you, luke. the sage of capitol hill. coming up, dylan ratigan and martin bashir join the panel, but first, does mitt romney finally have the wind at his back? we know a place where tossing and turning have given way to sleeping. where sleepless nights yield to restful sleep. and lunesta can help you get there, like it has for so many people before. when taking lunesta, don't drive or operate machinery until you feel fully awake. walking, eating, driving, or engaging in other activities

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today, ilsz senator mark kirk is expected to join the 50 members of congress to endorse mitt romney. he also got the back of the des moines register based on his quote sobrity, wisdom and judgment. kathy, thanks for joining us. >> glad to be here. >> i have to go to newt gingrich's comments first. gingrich said he was delighted not to have the paper's endorsement, calling it quote solidly liberal. being seen as northeastern republican and not a true conservative. >> okay, first of all, i'm going to give you a big, fat disclaimer which is that i'm not part of the register's editorial board, so i don't make the endorsements. i'm giving you an observers view of this. i think that newt gingrich's comments as you put them, are exactly one of the reasons why

the editorial board didn't endorse him. i think one of the things they liked about romney is that refrains from a lot of the really red meat, editorial board is looking for somebody that thought could effectively work with democrats in congress and so, you know, and i do think that gingrich is speaking for a lot of republicans when they, when he says the perception that the register to the left and center. i certainly don't dispute that. people will read into it what they want. >> let me ask you, when you say these not necessarily a read meat conservative or that he's more centrist or sane, romney has spent some amount of time although recently we've seen him back away from this. espousing some pretty conservative positions. whether that's his you know, constant drum beat of illegal, his position on the affordable health care act. i mean, it sounds like the

paper/new hampshire are willing to sort of give him the benefit of the doubt that that rhetoric was just kind of early stage, trying to sort of play ball with a very, very largely conservative gop field that when it comes down to brass tax, mitt romney is the bipartisan progressive that i think people -- he once was in the popular imagination. >> mitt romney's not taking vastly different positions than the rest of the field on those issues. what i think that the register was looking at perhaps was his ability to work with democrats as the governor of that liberal state, massachusetts. his focus on what the fiscal issue, which i think the register's editorial board was more important for the country, the economy, jobs and you know, he has really tried to stay away from a lot of the really, i would say wedge social issues that move to the rest of the field have been talking about.

>> thank you for your time and your insight on the new hampshire realities in both iowa and new hampshire. i wonder, guys, as we're talking about the field and the swings up and down, is romney finally going to be the nominee now? there's sort of these nate silver said gingrich may actually, the tide may have turned. romney has nikki hailey's endorsement. bob dole. who is a senate leader when gingrich was speaker also endorsed romney. we know he has chris christie. he has a rolling cast of endorsements, more to come on the following weeks. is this it? >> let me say first of all, no one cares in iowa about chris christie, mark kirk, think about anything. you talk to votes. endorsements don't have much impact. maybe if sarah palin, mike huckabee, the governor, maybe i would say the governor not as much. didn't have a lot of value

either. that's not romney's going to do well in part because he's organizing these states. gingrich is having a hard time getting on the ballot. i promise romney's on the ballot everywhere. that's the reason he's had the advantage even if newt did win in south carolina. >> i disagree partly with perry. i think that most of these endorsements don't matter because they are as expected. establishment mitt romney getting establishment endorsements. if glenn beck said not only do a dislike gingrich, we have to do this with romney. >> nikki hailey is a tea party surrogate. >> now, she's a governor. >> i want to add to perry point about people in iowa and who they're going to endorse. one thing romney has going is that the conservative base there is very split. there's lots of really conservative candidates on the ballot. romney got about 30,000 votes

last time. if he can get the same people to vote for him, that could be enough because there are so many divided people and they don't know yet. >> he's changed his tune as well. he's going on david letterman tonight. he went on romney. i think he panicked, understand that he wasn't. i think it's been good for him. now his wife is out on the trail campaigning for him hard. this week when i watched his interview, i was moved by some of the things he was saying. he talked about when his father ran for president. how embarrassing things were. he came off like a person. >> it seems like he's feeling the pressure less. to appease arch right in some of the things he said and being more accessible. that's probably less to do with appeasing konszs, but even positions like, let's play the sound from this sunday talking about capital gains taxes. not so much the tax, but the message underneath it that i

think is very curious from romney. >> the policies i've seen so far that have been put forward of that nature have represented dramatic reductions in tax for the very highest income people and i'm not looking to dramatically reduce taxes for the wealthiest in our society. >> i'm not looking to dramatically reduce taxes for the wealthiest. >> that's a general election position. while gingrich is talking about you know, sending judges to jail. that's a good contrast in how these guys are running. romney is still thinking about, running like hillary clinton, which has its dangers. >> and i think romney's getting really close to his beyonce moment. i think he's going to basically say if you like it, you need to put it nomination on it. they're basically saying we respect the process. there have been a lot of strong conservatives.

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with the iowa caucuses just over two weeks away, the latest front-runner, newt gingrich, spent the weekend back home in washington, d.c. attending a book signing and watching his wife play the french horn. it's a mystery to me. you think if he wants to win iowa, which is something newt gingrich has to do to carry this momentum forward, he would be there and yet, he's not. "the new york times," i said this earlier in the show. nate silver says the momentum

has reversed itself. more than $700,000 worth of ads scheduled to run in iowa. gingrich has 21,000. we're talking about a discrepancy not only in terms of manpower, but air power. so far, the man has not been there. >> it's weird. your dad's a family man. you have a big, rich family. you spend a lot of time together. when he was running, was he with you guys or was he on the road. ? >> no, someone on the road. you are on the road. i don't think we spent christmases at home. i think i spent christmas in new hampshire. it is baffling. everything he does, it's like, hit me again, crazy. this judge thing is my new favorite thing. clearly insane. science fiction novel. can't handle it. this is tend of the republican party if we nominate this man.

>> as we know it. with meghan mccain on the record. this suggestion that congress should ignore rulings and or r impeach judges. let's play a little bit of gingrich's sound on this issue in particular. zbll i'm suggesting when there are decisions in which they are literally putting civil liberty rules in battlefields, it is utterly irrational for the supreme court to take on its shoulders, the defense of the united states. >> the decision he's citing was a 2008 decision about detention and treatment and to pick a contrast again, not to keep going back. john mccain disagreed with aspect of that and said here's what we should do, as a statesman, a serious person. what gingrich is saying, if you disagree, the president should not follow it and worse, the judges should be subpoenaed and publicly pressures. his proposal is

unconstitutional. he's telling us now, this is a warning to america, that he would flout the law and welcome, invite, create a constitutional crisis. >> challenges the separation of power. some folks say the ideas are dangerous. ridiculous, totally irresponsible, outrageous, off the wall and would reduce the entire judicial system to a spectacle. >> to iowa conservatives, they had a judge that let gay marriage happen there. and a lot of conservatives didn't like that, so to their ears, they like this because something happened. >> he doesn't care enough to campaign? to say this? i really explain this to a friend of mine. i was like, he literally would arrest judges and he claims to be such a strict constitutionalist. >> a big science fiction fan. >> not a great one in terms of

policy. in terms of politics, rick perry going up. michele bachmann showing momentum. this is the christian conservative vote gingrich needs to get. perry, debates, so perry's doing better. he needs to sort of cut back on that. >> the irony, yes, exactly. if you want to court iowa, perhaps you should go to iowa. but that's reason and reason and gingrich sometimes are not -- >> the ultimate cop out. item an unconventional candidate. >> up next, martin bashir and dylan ratigan.

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means one less dictator in the world, but as we can see in egypt and elsewhere, doesn't necessarily mean peace reigns supreme. visiting today, martin bashir and dylan ratigan, host of "the dylan ratigan show." both here on msnbc. it is a moment in "now" television history and as such, we will ring a ceremonial gone in celebration of it. we will not hesitate to use that gong if necessary later in the show. what do you think is the impact of kim jong-il's death in the region and globally? >> nobody knows who the inher inheriter is. the son, we know he's in his mid 20s. he was educated in switzerland. he was the son of the favorite

wife, preferred successor. we don't know anything about what his plans are. we know he's got a great affection for the military. the rumor though is that it's actually his uncle who's the mainstay of this country because we know that kim jong-il has been unwell for about 18 months. >> that is according to strat for and has a resergeanty has been the most reliable i've seen in terms of foreign intelligence on stuff like this. meaning pour transitions and nation states and specifically in this case, you have a guy who is a michael jordan fan, who is a james bond fan, i am both by the way. and in reality, you've got a guy who found out three weeks ago

that he's going to be taking over this country. so the reality is, and i think the market and the world is showing this is actually while scary a little bit it's not as destabilizing because the existence of his uncle, who will really be krooif driving a lot of the decision making that kim jong-il made. so i suspect he will be present in name, but i suspect watching in name. >> people are talking about the nuclear power of north korea -- >> it's worth noting that after the death or before the death just announced, test fired missile, which had nothing to do. >> and also, they have the fifth largest military by most estimates to have world, but it's actually north korea's relationship to china that's most significant and i think what you're seeing is the world's axis shifts ever more

towards the chinese. china is the single most important trading partner and in china. there have been the greatest number of sadness and condolences. >> they do not want a wave -- >> but additionally, it extends china's power. dylan's been talking about the fiscal power of china in the globe for weeks and months. i was thinking though, does the political transition translate into or transpose into an economic? >> the end of the iraq war provides an opportunity for iran to expand its power in the middle east by creating a power vacuum in iraq and sort of in this cold war, if you will, with saudi arabia. china is openly seeking to become the regional super power to say the least in asia.

through australia. japan, et cetera and this is just another opportunity for china to come to the rescue. if there's instability in north korea, china's opportunity to feed them. to give them oil. to give them resources that china becomes a more benevolent ally and china has that much more consolidation in its posture relative to the west. >> and china's dominance in the region is no small part of why president obama was over there doing australia and the southern pacific region. hillary clinton was in burma. in a bid to increase the u.s. footprint as it were economically as a counterpoint. >> but there's an ill lesion in th aleutian in this. people talking about china expanding its theatre of power, aircraft carriers, then say see the united states putting military in australia. the fact is, it's only if you look at the back end of the

system. we support, america supports china buying its exports. versus china in this, the resolution, if we stop buyinging this, we're going to have a civil war. there are going to be issues on our side and i hope a path towards resolution as opposed to a fraudulent split. >> one other point on the political transitions, we think about this as it affects us. so the immediate challenge from twitter, analysis, was how will this change to affect our lives. if you look at most of these types of dictatodictatorships, passing from parent to child,

which is what basically happen, doesn't often involve as much disruption as we would like and that was true in cuba, although over to a brother, not to a son. >> to medvedev, who is not necessarily -- any way, i was trying to make a bad russian joke. >> i love a good russian joke. we have the gong. >> ari's right. when kim jong-il took power in '94, the transition itself was fairly straightforward. he then imposed a set of economic management measures that results in a fam in that killed 2 million people. 2 million people die nd that nation and one of the tactics he developed was that when there was a domestic problem, he created an external problem. an enemy. we were discussing earlier about the fabrication of enemies in order to consolidate and strengthen the peoples in the

world and in this case, i wonder what that will be. i wonder what this son is going to do and that's what's provo provokiprovok provokiprovok provokiprovok provoking anxiety. >> north korea involvement of bombing of south korean ship. coming up after the break, every day, the most anticipated moment on television happens at 3:58 p.m. today, it's coming a little earlier. dylan and martin will be staying with us to talk about leadership in this county tr. that's next on "now." [ female announcer ] where will you be when you have to change your pad? now with stayfree you don't have to worry. inspired by athletic wear, only stayfree has thermocontrol to wick away moisture. so you're dry and comfortable up to 8 hours. stayfree. helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea,

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the political dysfunction over the payroll tax cut has moved at least one republican to say enough. moments ago, republican senator scott brown of massachusetts

issued a statement calling boehn boehner's move quote irresponsible and wrong and says a two-month extension is a good deal when it means we avoid jeopardizing the livelihood of millions of american families. this is something you guys have talk talked about. if the idea ov leadership and the fact we seem to be at a peek of dysfunctionalty, and i want to talk about how we got here. norm -- he wrote a piece called "work congress ever" and his contention is that the constant campaigning is part of it, but i think broadly, it's part of a cultural trepd towards dysfunctionalty since 1994. >> i think part of it is we don't look we as the rest of us don't want to follow. what john boehner can't lead because his follows won't let him lead.

obama wants hepeople to help hi get things passed, then complain about what he says. there's a very specific reason why that happens. i agree with your assessment that the leaders are attempt tog lead. the followers don't know where they're being taken and as a result, they don't want to follow. the reason that happens, whether it is in a small environment, in a corporate environment, a military environment, if you're on a boat cross iing the ocean,f there is not a singular prison m through which the leader is running his agenda or her agenda and if the followers do not know what this is, and right now, what we get from these different political leaders is a prison m of self-preservation. i am going to act in a way that allows me to retain my job as opposed to i am here to lead this country to a culture of investment and prosperity through these mechanisms and i want to debate you on it.

it's the lack of courage by the leaders, martin, to define the pris m. >> you're talking about a kind of one lined agenda that everyone can buy. >> no, no. i'm saying if you don't know where -- if i get on a boat with the five of you and i don't tell you where we're going and you guys -- >> we're not going to get on the boat. >> dylan? >> you don't know where we're going. >> ring the gong. >> okay. >> like you mean it, huh? >> here's the interesting thing. the former president of the czech republic passed away this weekend. in the '60s and '70s, he was a dissident, a play right. in 1989 after the velvet revolution, he was persuaded to be president. he didn't want to be. the czech republic, who did they want? him. why? because he was focused with a moral agenda and an integrity

that the populous could see. the fact of the matter is and you've been saying this every single week, that basically, many of these politicians are so utterly corrupt that why should any -- >> their agenda doesn't provide ari with a lens to understand. >> i actually do understand it. but i'm just that much smarter than everybody else. >> other than alex, nobody else knows what these people are trying to do. there's no leader in any environment that has been able to lead anywhere. i can't lead you up a, you know, a to the grocery store if i don't tell you that we're going to the grocery store and why we're going. >> i got to -- let's talk specifically about the president here because i think he came into office with some sort of prismany through which he wanted to govern. fund especially mentally, he wanted to rule in a bipartisan

fashion. he wanted to overhaul the nation's health care system. he wants a more fair tax code. >> those are methods and ideas and those are things that lot of things we can talk about. that's not a prism. a prism says i'm going to take this country through prosperity, to hire people to solve its problems. i don't know how to do that because i'm going to ask people that. that's what any leader would do and say maybe it's tax code. maybe it's trade reform. maybe it's bank reform. there's no -- not a destination. it's a list of things to do. >> under your system of governance. >> john kennedy had to operate with the congress. abraham lincoln had a prism. >> president obama accomplished more than john kennedy did in his first term. president obama's term, first two years were full of

accomplishments. >> they also facilitated a $30 trillion cover-up in the financial industry that's resulting in a $700 trillion extraction of the western world. i'll be fair. be fair to the fact that trillions of dollars are being sucked out of america by the banking system, tax code and trade systems as administered by this president's government. >> we will be back. one more in the door and the floor opens up. back with more on leadership and more impassioned views after the break. coming up next, will americans get slapped with a tax hike for the holidays? we'll get the latest on the payroll tax showdown with jack lu and richard lugar. plus, the death of kim jong-il. and cnbc's john harwood and ann selser talk ground game in iowa. i'd race down that hill without a helmet.

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we are back now continuing our discussion about leadership and dysfunction junction also known as washington, d.c. and dylan, you were making the point at break that what is really lacking here is leadership and -- a prism for leadership and i would say to that, we are dealing with a congress whoes dysfunctionalty and the lack of sort of bipartisan endeavors is at an all-time low. i believe we have a graphic that shows the crossing over of the most liberal republicans and the most conservative democrats through history. and the fact that the 2010 congress had no overlap and we are now at a point where things just cannot get done because it's the party and to martin's point, a lot of that is driven by a desire to be re-elected and these jerry magerrymandered dis.

>> and you've also got a speaker who makes one decision op day one and then changes that on day two and no one knows until later today on whether he's going to side with his agreement with mcconnell or run to his friend, speaker boehner. last week, we thought a deal was op the table. of course, the weekend occurs and they're this shambles again. you're not just talking about the problem of interact between the various arms of governments you're talking about the individuals. >> i thought the subject was leadership. did teddy roosevelt sit around complaining how -- owned congress. >> a deal with fox news, rush limbaugh. >> fair enough. so i would say first off, the only way to lead any group of people, the first conversation we had is to engender trust with the people you're going to be leading. your point is how -- people that don't trust him, how can you lead people?

the only way a leader ever leads anybody is he focuses or she focuses on the people that do trust him and scores victories, albeit small ones, with those who do trust him in order to win the trust. so, in other words, focusing on being liked by the people who hate you as opposed to focusing on the people who want to be led by you is a disaster. >> this is a good segway to our next point. i think obama has gotten more antagonistic in the last couple of months. rhetorically. >> too bad he's running the largest banging and insurance monopoly in the world. >> i want to talk about occupy wall street, which is celebrating its i think third month anniversary. they've sprung up into different movements, occupy our hopes. the dream. there's this sort of long standing question about what happens next with occupy. it changed the national dialogue to the subject of income inequality, but i guess in terms of the movement, do we think it

has staying power especially as it spreads? >> it does and it fits well with the debate. dylan i think is talking about how politics works and there is a history of reforms in this country and i put occupy wall street in that bucket. term limits to martin's point was a largely conservative idea about changes the self-infrastructure. campaign finance reform, which worked at the presidential level for about 30 years. doesn't exist anymore. thanks to president obama and president bush who was the first one to depart. those were movements around changing politics, which is different than changing what politics does. the day the day of what's going to happen. to your question, occupy is in that first category. they're not talking about this congress, two years from now. they're talking about whether wall street and certain financial powers have too much

control over the struck dhur and that bottlenecks everything. they're talking about the way mortgages are sort of classified, sold. homes are are taken when they're doing civil disobedience. they're speaking to the 91% of the country that disapproves of congress. >> and are leaderless. there is no one spokesperson for. >> you don't need a leader for a movement based on the simple value of fairness and justice. i don't need somebody to tell me there's been a breach of justice. >> almost like the acknowledgment of a single truth, that the despairty of wealth is so obvious that somebody has to stand up. >> thank you, again to our panel and i'm sorry to have to cut it off there. you can see martin again today at 3:00 p.m. followed of course and make sure to pay attention at 3:58. dylan ratigan. all right here on msnbc.

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