weapon? >> deepak says every man in america carries a concealed weapon, martin. >> thank you so much for watching. dylan ratigan is here to take us forward. dylan? >> you know, that's true. that's true. it's all true. i have to pay tribute to two of our interns who helped us put that together, and, of course, i have to thank you, dylan, because without you that would not happen. this junction wouldn't be half the fun that it's been so happy holidays to you. >> i knew we were destined for greatness on the day that you were in london for the royal wedding, and you -- you proceeded to slay and humiliate and condescend to me and everyone on the set about our utter sort of broodish boorish lives and inability to comprehend how the level of sophistication one needs to have to live in buckingham pal air, as you put it. >> dial anger the reason for that was i was in london, and

there's a five-hour time difference. >> that's right. >> so when i spoke to you, it was around 9:00 p.m., and i'd obviously had -- >> had a few pops. like they say back up in the adirondacks, have a few pops, you know. next thing you know -- >> do whatever you like in the adirondacks. have a great show. >> and they do. thank you so much, martin. the show starts right now. good afternoon to you. i'm dylan ratigan. today's big story is d.c., delusion city. used to call it washington, d.c. let's start with the congressional republicans and their delusions being attacked by the "wall street journal," yes, rupert murdoch-owned "wall street journal," is attacking them for the house's non-vote on extending the payroll tax. the "wall street journal" saying that the republicans have handed barack obama a victory in 2012's election before the fight has

even bmpingt as for the democrat, well, the president had this to say in a portion of his "60 minutes" interview that didn't make it to air. >> i would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president with the possible exceptions of johnson, fdr and lincoln, but -- but, you know, just in terms of what we've gotten done in modern history. >> specifically the codification of the largest monopoly banking system in the history of the world that's conducting a $700 trillion extraction supervised by his treasury secretary, tim geithner and, of course, our friendly neighborhood prosecutor eric holder. that's something to be proud of. largest unemployment in the history of the country, largest unemployment going back to the depression and a president who views himself to be superior by track record at this point to harry truman, george washington and teddy roosevelt. this the man, the fourth best

president ever, living or dead. we begin our coverage with luke russert on capitol hill and what the "wall street journal" is calling the gop election suicide tour. you have a remarkably weak president presiding over huge unemployment, huge poverty, massive extraction in the banking system that more and more people understand, even if the white house doesn't want to deal with it. do folks in d.c. agree with the "wall street journal's" characterization that the republicans are in effect giving this presidential election away? >> reporter: there's no doubt, dylan, that this morning's op-ed from the "wall street journal" definitely was a punch to the face of the house gop. the "wall street journal" is very influential within republican circles nationwide but also very much so here in washington and kind of the sophisticated republican crowd that often ends up in leadership and dictates the policy. a few interesting things that have happened so far with regard

to the standoff. speaker john boehner held a photo-op with a conferees that he's ready to appoint for a conference with harry reid of how to come up with a year long solution to the payroll tax cut and the only problem is harry reid will not put conferees forward nor will nancy pelosi so that was for the optics. the house gop is banking on the fact that optics like that, that they are here working over the holidays will try to sway the american people. so far that has not worked, and one of the reasons why, dylan, another thing that's happened with the house gop is their brethren in the senate, a lot of senate republicans, have spoken out openly saying that their strategy is flawed. mish many conley is completely missing in action. he has not been in front of a camera voicing support for the house gop and what they are doing. one gop aide said it our colleague dana bash at cnn that essentially the house republicans have backed themselves into a corner, so as we come on this christmas holiday, the senate gop is

essentially washing their hands of the house gop and john boehner is left in this fight directly with the president and harry reid. no one knows how it's going to play out, dylan, but we do know the clock is ticking. 160 million americans could see their taxes go up, if nothing is done and as of right now it's a classic d.c. stalemate, nobody wanting to work on the grand scheme of the problem, essentially saying take the senate deal or else. house republicans trying to hold on to something even that their brethren says it's flawed. a classic d.c. standoff. how it ends, no one knows and in it does have an end it will happen next week, certainly not next week. optics, my friend. >> got it. fortunately people can see through the charade as the emperor insanely walks around naked. >> windshield wiper the eyes. >> thank you, luke. we do want to call on one of our political wise men, former governor of philadelphia, former

head of the dnc, one of the greatest advocates to end the very need to do such things. ed, let's break this down as if we were in a therapy session, shall we. >> sure. >> you have the republicans and their potential delusion. you have the democratic leadership and their potential delusion and then maybe i'm delusional. maybe i'm not seeing something that is magnificent that is happening in this country that i'm missing. let's begin though with the republicans themselves who seem to have a belief that they can literally chew on each other idiotically. there's literally no seriousness in any of the debate about the core issues of the lack of investment and the lack of production and the lack of job creation that is central to our national security, how delusional on a scale of 1-10 is the republican field and your thoughts on the "wall street journal's" indictment of their behavior. >> well, let me pars parse is a little bit. first the republican house and

leadership are 10 out of 10 in delusion. if they think they will get away with a phony bill that they passed, that would lay off 200,000 people and cut unemployment benefits dramatically and sell that to the american people, they have no chance. they will be blamed for this, and they should be blamed for this and the senate republicans are right. these guys are idiots. they are -- they are political imbeciles and there's no question about that. if they think that this idea that we're here for conferees and we'll work this out, nobody is going to buy that. that's number one. number two, i think the "wall street journal" makes a point, but it's going to be hard for whoever the republican nominee is to shed this incredible republican congress that's essentially voted to eviscerate medicare in a country that's getting older and older, where senior citizens are the best voters and in a caucus that has favored the very, very wealthy over working class people. they have created huge problems.

are they problems that can be semantic? the president doesn't have, for whatever reason, the best record in the world, number one, and number two, come after the conventions people start focusing on two people. not the republicans in the house or the democrats. they focus on the republican nominee and the democratic number knee and it's a brand new ball game. >> let's talk about -- we'll give the republicans by your official meter a ten. >> a ten. >> let's talk about the president specifically. his view of himself as being superior to every president with the exception of fdr, lbj and lincoln which puts him ahead of teddy roosevelt, harry truman. >> jfk. >> jfk, george washington, et cetera. now, listen, these sorts of -- this -- this is -- this is a silly conversation, right? >> it is. >> but i do look at and the reason i'm so critical, not just of this president but of this whole government, is i -- i'm seeking to evaluate the health of this country by virtue of a few things, one employment.

is there employment in this country? two, investment and lending. is there money coming into america, and, three, income inequality and poverty, and -- and poverty is at a record for the census. unemployment is at a multi-decade high, and -- and the fact of the matter is banking, tax and trade policies all straight an extraction of money. the reason why i'm so critical of this president and quite honestly this administration. regardless of how, how do you interpret a man who sits and offers himself in the posture that he did, and do you think that the white house really believes that characterization? >> i -- i think the president probably misspoke. i don't think if you asked him if he were on the show today do you think you're the fourth best president in america's history he would say yes? i think what he meant to say that is in terms of the sheer product of the -- of what they have gotten done concerning things that are vitally important to americans, that he's had a very productive three years in terms of health care

and children's health insurance and the financial reforms and saving the country -- >> but hold on a second, i'm sorry, i can't let that go. how are financial reforms that perpetuate a -- a secret $700 trillion swaps market that i just had to use my and yours and every other person, my mother's tax money to bail out for a second time from a -- a man whose treasury secretary is the one who is one of the strongest advocates of not dealing with that, that is central to the lack of investment, that is central to the lack of jobs. second thing, on health care, this is a president who may have expanded coverage, praise and hallelujah for that. however, he did so by creating a monopoly negotiation with a drug company, perpetuating the employer-based health care system and creating and perpetuating fee-for-service which is costing us a small fortune. i can solve any problem. i can solve any problem with unlimited money and -- and -- and torching half the country. >> i think you're absolutely right, and that's where the

weakness of what the president was putting forth is. have they made progress on a lot of these areas, yes, there's no question they have. is it substantial enough, we can argue about that. is the health care bill a good solid bill, of course, expanding access was the number one thing i think that this country needed. it's an absolute digs grace that we have so many people without health care, but are there flaws in the bill? of course there are and the support going to have to stand accountable for all those things so on the delusional meter if he thinks he's the fourth best president in the country, give him an eight or 9, i think he meant to say they were productive in terms of making progress on key issues and i could give him only a 2 or 3. >> you're giving him a delusional with your own delusional translation. >> maybe so. >> all right. >> and you've got a bias as the former head of the dnc. >> no question, but i will also say that you have to look at -- at the context of what was achievable, what was achievable. >> i mean, listen, can't have

this conversation, it's too frustrating because the man had an 80% approval rating, what was achievable was massive financial reform to create investment. he chose not to achieve that because he believes in extraction as a preferred method. >> but take health care. >> so doing health care -- listen, if i give you health care while i suck your blood, let me stick a needle in your arm and drain your blood and give you health care. i'd rather you take the needle out of my arm. >> keep your passion. >> thank you, ed. >> coming up, amazing images out of egypt as women there stand up to the brutal military crackdown, plus staring down the barrel of a gun and simply saying don't shoot. could solving violent crime would be simple common sense and charlie sheen to bravo and jibjab out with a new year in review that only they could tap. [ male announcer ] tom's discovering that living healthy can be fun. see? he's taking his vitamins. new one a day vitacraves plus omega-3 dha

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all right. the greatest source of hope for all of us is the fact that we all seem to agree, more than 50% of us, that none of the people running for president are actually qualified tore serious about running our country. that gives me confidence in the american people. we've been talking in fact a lot about congressional approval ratings and how awful they actually are, but a new piece by the "washington post" gives it some context because sometimes a number like 11%, even when gallup tells you it's a record low, just doesn't give you the necessary visceral feel to understand proportionally just how remarkably unpopular this congress is and showing us that the american people are smart enough to see that they have got a bunch of fools at the switch,

so let me give you some comparisons. polygamy, for instance, has an 11% approval rating which is identical to the approval rating of our congress. perhaps more interesting to those who are not into polygamy, bp's approval rating after they spilled hundreds of millions of gallons of oil into one of our greatest natural resources and couldn't control it for months and poisoned a vast millions of cubic feet of saltwater and sea life. they were at 13% so still a little bit better than congress and in 1994, a "l.a. times" poll found that a third of our country approves of caning american teenagers. think singapore. again, beating children with a cane was three times more popular than our congress currently is. so why, of course, are we leading these fools run our country in the answer quite clear, between money and

politics, gerrymandering and other elections, our elections don't represent the voters. it's not that we're terrible but the government is buying issues that are not ours. imogen, rob and jonathan, the mega panel, is here, and as i look at all the numbers. i felt remarkably less frustrated and more confident because i saw the level of disaprove. you see the "wall street journal" today, right in the face of the republicans, and -- and do you -- am i -- do you see the inspiration in this in that the very least we've identified the process, the electoral process is not reflecting the intentions or desires of this country. >> first of all, i don't know why 11% for polygamy. that seems ridiculously low. >> that more people should be in favor of polygamy. >> i mean, come on. >> come on. hang on. >> what do people have against

polygamy? putting that aside, i understand what they have against congress. i lived in europe. >> yes. >> and hence his support. >> one of the things that blew me away was the actual efficacy of a technocratic government. we have one now in italy and when you see 11%. when you see complete and utter failure across the board. right now we're talking about the republicans failing utterly but as you pointed out the president doesn't have a whole lot to crow about. >> unless you're into poverty and giant banks and then he has a lot to talk about. >> the american people might support a technocratic government or a candidate that puts him or herself forward as a technocrat. >> can they support anybody in a system where 94% of the time it's bought, gerrymandering preserves 75% of every seat because they are drawn in such a way that i can't possibly three them out because they draw their own districts and a lack of an against line in the primary process so basically i'm forced into what we have now, a president who has presided over

mass poverty, mass banks, mass unemployment, whose opponents are utterly horrifying and as a result i'm -- i'm left to say, well, honestly would rather have president obama or this guy and that sort of lesser of two evils voting mechanism is the bread and butter of the bought apparatus that's destroying this country. >> times are changing though. 2012 prophecy, of course, was for the end of the world. i think it will be the end of the world as we know it. fundamentally great crisis brings great opportunity. massive crisis in europe which will have huge ramifications, the occupy movement and so forth, people are getting absolutely sick of it, and fundamentally there will be a politician at some point who leads from the front, maybe a third-party candidate who gets that popular support because i think people have had enough. it's a global thing that's going on. not just america. >> from your mouth to our reality, i -- i do believe that. jonathan, you get the last word on this one and we'll talk egypt. >> dylan, it's not just one man or one woman sitting in the oval

office. 535 other people that are part of the governing process. >> totally agree. >> so you'll need a wholesale change of what happens here in this country, an it's not going to be solved in one election cycle. >> sure. >> we're talking several election cycles, we need to be long term in our thinking about that. >> the problem with that long-term thinking it's not good for the 50 million who are in poverty in this country nor is long-term thinking totally sensational for the one out of five which don't have a job which i do wonder how they will feel about all this long-term thought. in egypt tens of thousands have once again taken to tahrir square, speaking of long-term thought. this time specifically to condemn the military's abuse of women protesters, this after brutal images emerged of a half naked woman being stomped and beaten by a group of officers in riot gear. it even prompted egypt's military ruling council to issue a rare apology and as you'll recall mona joined us immediately after she had both of her arms br a

commentator frequently othis program. she was also sexually assaulted in that attack. it seems, imogen, that the egyptian military have taken -- in america we seem to be into macing people for no reason. in egypt they obviously take it to a level of violence and abuse that is incomprehensible. >> first, you can take great pride in the fact that you have hillary clinton as your secretary of state who came right out and condemned it. you don't want to cross clinton on this. she's got hillary doctrine going on, putting women and girls in front of a new world order. fundamentally america pace the egyptian military, $1.3 billion a year. >> 40%, 50%, 60% of their budget. >> the other thing that you did touch on very interesting at the moment. people in power have got to remember from now on, we've seen it in syria, the occupy movement and seen it in egypt, that these populations are now armed with cell phone cameras and access to youtube, and that has changed

everything for people in power, so moving forward, again, new world order in 2012. >> yes. >> there is hope, dylan. >> and it goes to, jonathan, the remarkable gut punch that the -- that the global visibility represents when people engage in this level of abuse. >> right, and -- and when they -- before they can engage in this level of abuse, as imogen was just saying, and no one would see it, the government's word versus the opposition's word, but when you have people instantaneously showing via video, via picture on youtube, twitter, facebook, exactly what's happening as it's happening, it's very difficult for governments to shade the truth or even lie, and then they have to be immediately responsive to -- not only to the international community but to -- but to an empowered populace that quite frankly has had enough. >> well, it's essentially a civil rights movement, if you

will, that starts with women in egypt, and, i mean, that's a good thing. we're seeing it all play out. not a good thing that people are being beaten on the street, but it's happening. in a sense, it's going to be -- and i don't know enough about egyptian politics. as a result, they took down the mubarak regime which arguably either stifled any vision of this or kept things in order. now, it didn't happen. you had democracy. democracy is very messy. what you're seeing. this may be a counterweight to the muslim brotherhood. people will say hey, look, we're not going to stand for this, you know, ultimately i am optimistic in the same way imogen s.all of what we're seeing here is mess and terrible in many respects but we'll come out of it and hopefully egypt will be a better democracy. >> and i think the interesting thing that you brought up we are actually, even though you don't necessarily think about it this way, in the middle of a global civil rights movement and that global civil rights movement is economic civil rights. >> exactly. >> and that's happening. >> that's evolution, folks.

>> yeah. >> yeah. >> i think. >> that is evolution. that's why people -- people think in multi-hundred year time horizons and are always so confident. we would have been fine 500 years ago. >> i have that fountain of youth. >> panel stays. next our specialist, a man who is sounding the alarm on washington's spending problems long before the tea party showed up. dave walker our guest after this. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier.

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as you surely know tax cuts all the talk in washington and it will take a bit more than a politically popular tax break to fix an economy in desperate need of a major catalyst to drive investment, public and private, infrastructure, health care, all sorts of critical issues in this country will require real bank reform and trade reform and real tax reform and our specialist was sounding the alarm on the

fiscal irresponsibility in washington lock before it's fashionable. dave walker is the ceo of comeback america initiative. an organization that came out with a new quiz to test your fiscal iq. the results, they say, show republicans, democrats, independents and mega panelists and anchor men all have a lot to learn when it comes to a fiscal responsibility. in fact, surely everybody in america could learn a little bit more than they know today and dave, are you optimistic? >> look. i'm optimistic because the american people are ahead of the politicians. they are absolutely disgusted with what is not being done now. if you look at the results of the quiz to date, people scored 49 on knowledge which is obviously failing. they scored 72 on wisdom, but on the really important questions, wanting to work across the aisle to get things done, even if the leadership doesn't want you to do it, recognizing that it's

going to take spending reductions and additional revenues to solve our problem, about 90% agreement. between no labels and between americans elect, depending on who the republicans nominate, we can really have one heck of a year. >> to get this done maybe a third-party candidate son the cards to push all these -- all this fiscal hopefulness through. >> i don't know that we need a third-party candidate. when ross perot first ran for president in 1992 he ran on fiscal irresponsibility. political dysfunctionality, declining trust and confidence and declining confidence in the future. we're much worse today than we were in 1992, and we also have today a very robust internet. we also have social networking. we have msnbc and a variety of other outlets that didn't exist back then. >> and money is speech, so if you raise some money you can blow it on tv telling people what you think. >> and you can raise money through the internet or whatever

else. >> yeah. >> the fact of the matter is you don't have to be a presidential candidate to make a difference, but it might help. >> rob? >> looking at your fiscal iq i had some questions. let me go through it. >> right. >> you've probably faced this question, but aren't some of them a bit leading or some of them give -- give the answer away. who can say no to a question that says should people cooperate to make the country better? that's not exactly how you did it i'd be amazed how people didn't agree. got to find those people. >> 11%. >> 11%. >> 11%. >> but one of the questions, you know, for example, you had -- we can significantly reduce future defense spending without unduly compromising national security. >> right. >> again, there are going to be people who are absolutely convince convinced that their answer is right, you'll agree or disagree with that and say no way can we cut anything back and the terrorists will take us over,

whatever it is. you've got a right and a wrong answer on that. >> here's the issue. >> there are 30 questions. either true, false, agree, disagree. 20 of them are fact-based, either get them right or wrong. that's an opinion one. >> okay. >> one is knowledge and the other one is wisdom. here's what the opinion relates to. it relates to whether or not your opinion is consistent with object i ever experts as to what it's going to take. >> interesting. >> i'm only one of many of those objective experts. i sat on the defense business board for eight years. i know that the defense department is one of the greatest bloated bureaucracies and that there's plenty of opportunity to be able to save money there without compromising national security. >> isn't there a base -- there's a base theory of resource allocation that is proving itself effective and education and defense and all other sorts of things that really represent the new paradigm for resource allocation in a post-industrial era which is hot-spotting, using discreet data to identify the

most critical areas and overall kating to those problems. allows to you spend vastly less money and get vastlimore out of it and i feel like we get lost in this how much conversation. should we cut spending, raise spending, should we cut spending, raise spending, and quite simply that's the wrong question. the question is how are we spending any of this money to solve this problem, an are we identifying the one-half of 1% of this that we could solve for as we're seeing in health care in camden, new jersey and elsewhere, where they can target 50 basis points, one-half of 1% of the whole group of people and because it's the right half a percent they reduce all their costs by 40%. >> several key points, dylan. one, less than 40% of the federal budget is for the express and enumerated responsibility -- >> do they even use hot-spotting in the federal government? >> not much, if at all. >> secondly, that's all the investments in our future. all of the constitutional roles and responsibilities envisioned by the founding fathers, all investments in the future. in addition, believe it or not,

the federal government has been in existence since 1789. we no plan. we have no forward looking threat, risk, opportunity. >> we don't even have a method to allocate capital. there are tools used across the world that our methodologies are proven scientifically and mathematically to cost more and we don't use them. >> we need dramatic transformational reforms in many ways, not just with regard to with what the government does and with the political system. our political system is dysfunctional. >> jonathan, the last question. >> you started out topic by saying that the people -- the american people are ahead of the politicians so why don't those same american people vote in individuals who share their view of what needs to be done? how -- and how long do you think it will take to flush out the -- the so-called bad characters here in washington and flush in the good characters who will make decisions based on what's

good for the future of the country as opposed to what's good for the future of their re-election. >> i agree with you that it will take more than one election and i think 2012 has an opportunity to be an incredibly different type of election. with no labels, with americans elect. with a great degree of discontent and the divides we're facing in this country so i think 2012 will be a beginning, but i think as dylan knows, we need redistricting reform, we need intergrated and open primaries, campaign finance reform and term limits. need a number of the other things. the first two don't take constitutional amendments. california did it last year. other states need to do it and the last two, do, and we have to get started now because our future sat risk. we're talking about what's the future position of the united states in the world? our standard of living at home and last but not least the domestic tranquility in our streets. >> i couldn't -- if i -- if i could get everybody in america to hear what you said i would. i don't have that power, but

thanks. >> you're moving up all the time. >> we can talk to a few hundred thousand people every day and we enjoy doing it. >> start somewhere. >> thank you. jonathan, here's to flushing out the bad and bringing in the new. you should lead the way. we should go down and draw arrows, this way out, this way in and can just line people up. they probably wouldn't follow our instructions. we'll talk to you next time, jonathan. >> thanks, dylan. >> we do have to laugh to keep from crying. so next up poking some fun at the year that was. we've got jibjab's take on 2011. ♪ and a war lock assassin named cheese ♪ [ male announcer ] tom's discovering that living healthy can be fun.

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we talk a lot about hot-spotting and you'll hear more about it in 2012. it is the key method laid out in our upcoming back for resource al gaigscation. again, "in greedy bastards" our focus is on how, not how much. and our next guest has spent 25 years working to curb violence in inner city neighborhoods using a form of decision making that is hot-spotting. literally using discreet data from the front lines of law enforcement to identify the 10 or 20 most probable-creating individuals in a problem area and simply directly reaching out to those 10 or 20 or 30 folks and asking those gang members whoever they may be directly to stop shooting one another, please. police, family members, even rival gang members, everyone has brought together in a classic and epic case of hot-spotting whose value proposition in this case is literally saving human

life. think of it like a giant intervention, if you will. and wouldn't you know in city after city the same results, violence plummets. drug markets dry up and the relationship between the police and the community is reset and realigned into a healthy collaboration as opposed to a war. with us today is david kennedy, center for crime prevention and control at john j. college here n interception or group violence or reduction strategy is something he chronicles in his book called "don't shoot, one man, a street fellowship and the end of violence in inner city america." why do you believe you're succeeding to those who have launched national campaigns to fix the criminal justice system and american communities have spent fortunes, vast sums of money with terrible results. you are spending pennies,

pennies by comparison and getting remarkable results in a classic display of how not how much, hot spotting the problem. walk us through why you're winning. >> this may be the sharpest example of what you're talking about that you're ever going to find. we'll unpack an entire city and find that under 3/10 of a percent of the populatoin is driving virtually all of the violent crime and we've had two ideas. fix communes, fix the root causes and the crime will go away or fix the entire criminal justice system and finally we'll control it. they are both too hard. they are too big, too little a lift. you can't ever get it right and you can't ever reach everybody in that 0.3%. >> it's remarkably expensive and presumes a known universe where you know what elements to fund and not fund which are delusional. >> tend out to be delusional.

>> it's impossible to know what the world is going to bring. your method uses modern data to identify that 0.3% and then does what. walk me through it. pretend that i'm one of the 0.3 and you found dragt abe is on that list of people in new york city that are causing violent crime. what are you going to do? >> people laugh when you tell them because it seems so simple. you sit them down. you put together a partnership for that city, for that area of law enforcement and social service providers and community people. you find the more, of the murdered children. you find their mothers. and you have a face-to-face conversation. your community kargs you about this. they need you to stop this. they are for you, but they are against what you are doing. we would like to help you and here's the number you call for all sorts of social service help and this is not a negotiation and we are putting you on prior notice about what the legal consequences will be if you

don't stop, don't make us do it. >> so you sit me down, whoever the potential violent actor may be. you lay what you just said here on television out to them and what happens? >> we have entire drug markets, public drug markets, crack houses and street corner sales drying up and never coming back. we're seeing 30% to 50% reductions in homicide across cities. we're seeing 50%, 60, 70% reductions in homicide in the hot neighborhoods that are driving this stuff. it -- it really seems too good to be true, but as book says, there's a 15-year history of this now. this stuff works. >> how can you do more of it? i believe you that it works.

there's too much evidence of it. gentlemen like yourself and other folks in different cities, how do we turn this from a novelty that is worthy of going on television and -- and becoming a -- a public figure of sorts because it is so unique and unusual, what you've achieved, to this being the base as to how america uses decisions using the hot-spotting narrative. >> we're in the middle somewhere. this is way beyond novelty but it's not business as usual across the country yet, and what we need to move from all the cities and all the constituencies that believe it in now to business as usual is for people to understand that it's real and that they should invest in it. you go to washington. you go to the foundations and pundits, you say this stuff works. it doesn't take any money or any new law and they say that's very interesting. can't we just talk about drug legalization and getting rid of guns. nobody wants to take serious lit work that they can actually do. they would rather talk about

something they can't do. >> and is your interpretation of that, and this gets into the domain of your opinion and everybody else's for that matter, but is your interpretation of that behavior that the politics of gun and drug legalization are more favorable for things like campaign fund-raising than this and what could be more effective for campaign fund-raising than saying i'm using pennies on the dollar to collapse violent crime in cities by using data and hot-spotting to find the 10, 20, 15 guys and gals it a are causing a problem right now. how could that possibly not be sensational politics? >> because a lot of the elites that care about this issue are profoundly offended by what you just said. you say to people who are died in the wool root causer. we can fix this problem and we don't have to repair the

community. we can stop the killing and keep people out of prison and they are offended by, that and you say to people who believe in individual accountability, we can stop the killing and we don't have to lock everybody up for the rest of their lives for everything they are doing. they are offended by that. >> what's so offensive by what i said or what you're saying? >> it gets to the core of the issue and solves it without solving all the other things around it that people have committed generations of work to. all -- the only advantage it has is that it actually works and that you can do it. it doesn't speak to the core ideologies on either side. >> which means we're going to need some sort of very sensational attention-getting marketing campaign for you because logic as we know and ration thought in effect as results is one of the worst ways to sell something in america right now, my man. >> that's correct. let's talk. >> so we'll have to call somebody with a manipulative campaign that makes this look as if it's an emotional event.

i -- i -- i really shouldn't even joke about it because there is nothing more important for this country today than not just understanding what you're doing but understanding the methodology of what you're doing and how directly applicable it is to every budget debate in this country, every municipal budget, every state budget, every federal budget, health care plan, military system, reform, et cetera, et cetera. do you see anything of this type of decision making, identifying the problem and focusing on it does not create value? >> in my world of crime and in the ones i know about the most, education, municipal policy, all those sorts of things, when you go about things this way, more often than not you win. >> david, it is a pleasure and congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> on coming so far with this that you now are not a novelty, that you're now on the road to i hope institutionalization. anything i can do to help do you that i will. david kennedy. >> thank you.

>> appreciate it. thank you so much. "don't shoot" is the book. coming up on "hardball," the gop circular firing squad. senator chuck schumer weighing in on the dems for once maybe winning fight over taxes but first nothing says merry christmas like a barrage of political ads and we're lured ari melber in for the daily rant. s of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "probiotic." [ female announcer ] phillips' colon health.

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here on the rant and politics of christmas, our good friend and neighbor, ari melber. >> thank you, dylan. christmas is almost here so you might think we're due for a break from politics. will have all people don't like

politicking during the holiday season, but the critical iowa cawous as you know is one week after christmas and instead of giving christ mass some breathing room presidential candidates are exploiting it in their campaigns. i'm not just talking about invoking religion. if you like a candidate based on religious values, that's obviously your choice. i'm talking about using christ mass at a political ploy. here's one notorious example from the last presidential campaign season. >> are you worn out about of all the television commercials you've seen, mostly about politics, i don't blame you. at this time of year sometimes it's nice to pull aside from all of that and just remember that what really matters is the celebration and the birth of christ. >> now that was from mike huckabee last cycle. a political ad on christmas decrying political ads on christmas which is sort of like screaming at someone to stop yelling. but it did help huckabee who went on to win the iowa caucus. this year newt gingrich is

leading the pack for christ mass chutzpah. he wishes everyone a merry christmas and then he says negative ads are discordant with the spirit of christmas. i am obviously no christ mass expert but i can't imagine most people think the spirit of the holiday involves giving newt a free ride towards the nominate and while how canby's favorite ad was you a days and hypocritical at least it wasn't whiney. i think gingrich's christ mass complaining is going to make him look really small. we'll find out whether republican voters agree. dylan? >> i agree with you, obviously. there it is. >> i know chanukah was last night. >> well, it started last night. >> nobody exploits chanukah. >> well, you know, could you do some budgetary analogies with chanukah, the chanukah gelt t