msnbc robert traynham. we have breaking news, mitt romney made a comment that he may regret over the next 11 months. >> i want individuals to have their own insurance. if you do not like what the insurance company does, you can fire them, i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. if they do not give me the services that i need, i like to say, i will go somewhere else to provide that service to me. >> john heileman, and msnbc political analyst and man in manchester, how are you this morning? >> we all miss you. it's good here. >> let's talk about the mitt romney sound, which seems to be taylor made for the political attack ads for the coming days and months.

>> look, i think it right. and in the hours to come. as you know over the weekend, santorum and gingrich opened up on romney and decided to make it a big issue in the closing days before the new hampshire primary. they will hit him hard on that and the sound that you just played will come into play in the news cycle today. it's a gaffe, a real gaffe and it expoeses him on an issue heading into south carolina and certainly the people in chicago that collect video the way that they do are laughing and smiling over having that piece of sound to use in the fall. >> i thought i heard someone say you could hear david axelrod's tail wagging. it was picked up on not two

hours after it was aired. jon huntsman came out with this. >> i will always put my country first, it seems that governor romney believes in putting politics first. governor romney enjoys firing people. i enjoy creating jobs. >> that is pretty loud sound, but needless to say, jon huntsman already using it as an arrow. guys, on the panel, i want to ask, we talk about mitt romney closing the deal or not, joe mcquaid and the new -- a tin ear and plenty of pals in the republican incrowd, romney would be a disaster as the nominee. robert, what do you make of that? >> ouch. ouch on more than one point.

he knows mitt romney pretty well, what is telling about mitt romney overall is he makes these comments that appear to be on the surface -- >> i don't know that it's sly. >> he makes these comments on the surface is, you know, what? it's a slip of the tongue but it's a deeper comment perhaps about what he thinks. he said that corporations are people too. he said that a couple of months ago and now he is saying this about firing people. it gives the impression that he simply does not care and the impression that frankly he is a rich millionaire. >> no it's doesn't. am i the only one that things it's not a big deal. this is going to play to republicans that think this president is going along the wrong path. >> when we talk with romney comments about firing people and corporations being people too, i think the concensus is that it not served him well and he has to over ccome the idea that he

a venture business guy. we saw romney make a effort to talk about the early days as a capitalist talking about his first days at staples. we have a bit of sound, positioning him more as a hands on manager. let's hear that. >> when we decided to get behind a company called staples when i knew you would know well. do you know how many people work there? 90,000 people work there today. we opened the very first store, i was there the night we hoped the first store. we helped stock the shelves. >> we stocked the shelves. just in terms of poll numbers. we have a tracking poll that said, sorry, in another poll, romney has fallen for five day straight and down ten points.

huntsman and paul are gaining. is this stuff going to hurt him? we have 24 hours and i think it's something like 44% of new hampshire residents have made up their mind, meaning plenty have not yet. >> it's a before the primary that votes move. the voters tend to be voters that wait until the last minute to make a decision. a lot of people are on purpose un decided. there's a way that romney could have said this thing that would have been in line with republican ideals and not damaging people, but to say i like the right to fire people off, there's a certain type of enjoyment that he seemed to take in it, it's damaging sound and

video, worse to see it and hear it than to read it on the page, that is what the problem is. not so much that it's out of line with the overall view of republicans that you should have the right to fire someone that doesn't serve you well, but to take joy in it in this economy is a problem. >> that is what makes it a gaffe. he took something that could have worked and he ruined it. and he ruined it in the way that he said it. to megan's point -- >> even democrats fire people. >> if you do not like the service in a restaurant, you do not come back. we vote with our pocket book every day. that is a totally reasonable point. mitt romney's problem is that there's loud people that do not think of themselves as loud, romney is a rich person that does not think of himself as very rich. he was trying to speak like someone that said i'll go to a

different restaurant and what he sounded like was i will fire my employees. that is not what he meant. >> it reminds me of bush 41, a man that i loved very much and still respect. i am a democrat. he did not know about the check out counters in the grocery stores. he moved to texas and made it big. it goes to a point where i think you are both right. >> you'll equate that clip to that clip? >> hear me out on this. it shows that there's a bit of romney being a bit out of touch. what did he say? he said that you ought to be able to hire and fire people if they don't do the job for you. it how he said it. >> listen, it's 24 hours before this happened. >> it speaks to a larger point though, who are his audience? he could have said it in a

different way and spoke to his audience. we know that women and independent voters will decide the election. when women and independent voters listen to that and it will be replayed over and over again, they will say he is not come passionate. >> let's talk about the guy that is trying to take votes away from romney who is jon huntsman who is already on the attack for this comment specifically. you know, i think he is an interesting case, we talked about him a lot on the show, he is a big head scratcher. out there, what is the sense, some polls had huntsman in second place, we see him rising finally in the polls, will he be able to guest lift going into south carolina and florida? alex, i think the question is, hunting man is clearly to move here. >> ppp poll has him moving up four point skps ron paul fading a bit. the internal polls have the same

thing. they sort of thing he is that tie with ron paul in second place and i say, moving up, and the end, the momentum is what matters. i think the two questions will matter. one one is will he finish in second place. if he continues to tick downward and will get a double digit victory, does mitt romney end up with fewer votes than he got in 2008 or fewer votes than in iowa, that may make him look vulnerable and huntsman's second place finish look stronger, then the question is, does jon huntsman have enough money to go to south carolina and florida and get on the air. without any money it won't matter. 53 has mon if he has money, and he gets up in the air in south carolina and florida, he could do damage to mitt romney in both of those

states. >> i wanted to also bring in the idea, the concept of ron paul who is not going to go anywhere, seeing his supports here in new hampshire, i was shocked at how die hard they are. they will follow him anywhere. we are talking young voters democrats and independents, people with dread locks, not your typical conservative republican voter. he expands this voting block ten fold. he owns it. >> the nemedia will have to dea with ron paul. he has a following. we would be better off dealing with the ideas that we do not like about him then trying write him out of the story. he is second, more or less in new hampshire, if any other candidate was surging in new m hamshire we would be all over it. you go to florida and you are on the air, you have to hit multiple media markets and it

costs millions dollars. it's a different race. >> and also the things that are making huntsman popular will make hit unpopular in other states. >> 1 messaone message works in state and not in others. thank you john for being our man. >> thanks, alex. >> the voting takes place and candidates are already folking on south carolina. that is next on "now." ♪ he was a 21st century global nomad ♪ ♪ home was an airport lounge and an ipad ♪ ♪ made sure his credit score did not go bad ♪ ♪ with a free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ app that he had ♪ downloaded it in the himalayas ♪ ♪ while meditating like a true playa ♪ ♪ now when he's surfing down in chile'a ♪ ♪ he can see when his score is in danger ♪

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south carolina primary is less than two weeks away, and according to a strategyist in the state, it will get ugly, you better bring your big boy pants. joining us, chris matthews, host of "hardball" here on wrmmsnbc,d the author of the best book to be written about jfk. >> thanks, alex. >> analysts have their eyes to long game which is south carolina, what shocked me is we had a poll showing that romney is up 17 points from december sixth. i wonder what you make of the potential landscape down in south carolina, how new hampshire effects this, does it

make it inevitable in south carolina if he wins? >> no, if you add up the conservatives, sort of certified conservatives, newt gingrich and rick santorum and perry, you get the same numbers as romney gets in the polls, maybe a bit more. there's an old phrase called the shape of the field defines the whip winner. and the shape is romney up against three or four others to his right. so he basically gets all the center, center right, if there are any moderate republicans in the south, he gets them. he just gets such a big piece of territory against the rest of the field. it's the way years ago that jimmy carter was able to get the field. it's the mathematics of it. >> the pie is only so big, jimmy williams, you are a native son of the state.

>> yeah, i hate to say this, but i'm going say it, his mormonism is a problem down there. i just got off the phone with a republican friend down there and the first thing he said to me, this is a stock broker he said to me, his religion is a problem. >> can i ask a question? >> go ahead. >> i have a question for you, just based on your years of energy politics, based on what you see newt gingrich doing, he is a wing man for santorum, attacking romney. do you see gingrich bringing romney down in florida? >> no, i think he is a candidate still, he still has the hope, the bug, if you will in politics. this is the last stop before the desert of his older years and he will not get to run again, really. i think that after the performance you and i and everyone else in the country saw yesterday morning on the "meet the press" debate. he has it in him to take on

romney man on man, he is not a wing man. he is still a candidate. we are all watching to see which way the conservative christians will go in texas. we don't know where they will said head yet. they may give the nod to santorum, i guess they will. but they could give it to gingrich. he will still a candidate i think. >> let's play the latest ad out from the pro gingrich super pac attacking romney. i think it's hard hitting. >> everything corporations earn ultimately goes to people. why do you think it goes? >> into your pocket. >> whose pockets? whose pockets? >> a story of greed, playing the system for a quick buck. a group of corporate raiders led by mitt romney -- >> i mean you have this stuff talking about romney being a corporate raider saying on the same day that he likes firing people that work for him.

>> well he likes firing insurance companies. yeah, this is capaciexactly the. it gets to the notion of americans and it may not be fair but it's true. americans like people that start businesses. anybody that makes something, obviously steve jobs. they like them. they don't like people that make money off of money. now, that may not be fair because everyone wants to get a good interest rate or good return on their savings. they don't like corporate raiders or wall street per say. and there you have a republican running an ad basically paid for by a wealthy guy, a big casino operator attacking the very idea of money making money off of money. and that is one thing that president obama is running on himself. you have a republican backed by a wealthy republican running an

anti-republican ad. it's really tough, it's going to burn come of november. this is the kind of attack that president obama is running himself and now you have newt joining him, it's wrong to make money off of money, it's good to make money off of work and businesses. i think this is powerful stuff in the hands of newt. but powerful in the hands of the president and his people. >> you can hear maybe axelrod's tail wagging over that a bit. let's talk about rick santorum. he as you mentioned may be the sort of defacto flag around which the more conservative voices rally. i was struck in new hampshire by the lack of organization. we literally had, we arrived at santorum events and the romney signs and other signs were pulled out of the ground, but the santorum signs were being nailed in the ground. does he have the energy to

compete like he will have to in the coming states? it remains a question mark. >> second time i was up here for one of these big events we had paul songus running against bill clinton at the time, although he won by eight or nine points being the local guy from massachusetts, the form senator, he had nothing awaiting him afterwards. that is the way for santorum, no matter how good he did in iowa, there was nothing waiting for him to exploit the victory. there's no santorum organization. there's nothing there. it's his willingness to go door to door in iowa and that is behind him. and that is sad, you route for the guy that is out there by himself, fighting with his voice and heart. romney has the money behind him and newt is getting some money. i don't know whether santorum has money behind him. i heard he raised a million

dollars in a day last week. but this will be a challenge, two guys with money duking it out in south carolina, you have to bet to guys with the money. >> especial as ari point happen out when it's an air war in florida and south carolina. >> yeah, it's tv. tv. as we jack kennedy. thank you, chris, for joining us. >> any time. >> be sure to catch chris on "hardba "hardball." coming up. rick perry managed to remember the department of energy, that it exists and he wants to kill it during the debates in new hampshire. that is next on "now." [ male announcer ] how about we make a big change

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let me answer the question that you asked earlier, what are the three areas that you would make in reductions that people would feel some pain and i will tell you that it the people in the department of commerce and energy and education that we are going to do away with. [ applause ] >> that is rick perry at yesterday's debate making light of his oops moment. my question is, is he still in the race so he can save face before returning tho ining home? >> absolutely. i think he wanted to go and do the debate so he could show that he could answer that question successfully. >> that was a pat on the head moment. after 12 years of age, you do not actively participate in those things. after the break, white house intrigue. that is next on "now."

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when white house press secretary jay carney holds his briefing we are expecting he will be asking about "the obamas" a new tell-all about the first couple. it's coming out tomorrow, we have an advanced copy here at "now" with alex wagner. i want to read a couple of parts of it. what has come across from what i read is the contention inside the white house and also, you know the criticism that was lobbed at obama is that he is too isolated. michelle and rahm emanuel had almost no bond, she was skeptical of him when he was selected and now he returned the favor, they were the president's two spouses. one public and official and one private and informal.

the first lady's attitude was summed by by i'm not an official give me a clean shot. but rahm avoided her at all costs. >> can i just say something? >> yes. >> how dare a journalist understand the dynamic between political families and their staff, especially at that level. this is inappropriate, they are still in office, give the first lady a break. it tough enough being a lady in politics. i have gone through it with my mother. >> i'm surprised that the administration going through a tough reelection being to record cooperating with this author. although it not an authorized biography, but it sort of it. they have not denied anything in the book. >> the white house's statement said that the things described

in the book reflect little more than the author's own thoughts. they are pushing back a bit. >> but not much. >> i'm going to tag along with what megan said, i think we forget that these are people. i know that the president of the united states is the president. i got it. but they use the bathroom like everyone else. okay? and they like private time. senators, members of congress, i am pretty sure that if he could, he would drive just like me, or go to the store but they cannot. let's cut him a break and let them live their lives. >> to your point, okay, to your point, i totally agree with you a thousand percent. >> the president and the first lady did not grant any interviews for the book. period. so the book is about them they did not grant interviews. when you start going down levels of government, there's aity l lot -- there's a lot of people

there. she is a journalist and we live in a open free society, and people can write whatever they want. >> they can write whatever they want, but they are still in office. i'm not fan of the obama's, in general, i'm a republican, but i'm saying, they deserve some sort of privacy. >> to the point of what is actually in the book. it's important to preface this, there's what we learn from it, michelle obama plays, if we are taking the author at her writing that michelle obama plays a large roll in directing president bomb aobama and polic. the obamas sat out on the new furniture which had become their favorite spot in the white house and talked. the healthcare overhaul fit

perfectly. this was the sense of purpose for michelle. >> how did she get the details? >> the white house came out and said they did not have that moment. here is the deal with michelle obama, she is the teddy roosevelt of first ladies. she has a big impact. i'll put my cards on the table. i was on the plane with the campaign in 2008, i like michelle obama as a person. i like her as a person to be around. i liked her role in the campaign, some of the no drama and let's figure it out before we move forward comes a lot from her. she is a steely force and on healthcare, if you care about it, rahm emanuel was saying letsz dial it back and she said go forward. >> she was wanting to go for ideals and morales. >> this book proves to your point, that first ladies have

always been the power behind the thrown. i'm going to upset people. but this reminds me of tdynamic between past first ladies. they say, you are my husband, not mr. president, you need to stand up for what you believe in. you are the keeper of the flame. i'll hold you accountable and your staff accountable. >> jimmy, you had that jimmy williams look in your eye. >> i don't know that she is villified here. i did not read it. nancy reagan was skewarred, and hillary clinton, could she have been the worst woman on the whole planet. >> wives are always depicted as crazy. especially by staff. >> right, because there's a massive divide between the two

houses of the white house. >> "obama was leading in the same disorganized advisers too long" one wonders if that will shape 2012 at all? >> it sounds like history is repeating itself? >> can we get a big slow clap? >> reference know everyone kno the thing. she can say what everyone is feeling. everyone knows they had political problems and healthcare took too long. everyone knows that taking that long and backing off would have been worse, everyone knows that you should not lose a massachusetts senate seat as a democrat. that is them. rahm emanuel's political record is over exaggerate and it's because he has people writing stories from his perspective than michelle obama and she doesn't take the time to talk to them. >> and look, rahm emanuel was much more open with the press

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was thrown to u.s. to baghdad and vanished. the thriller is the subject of the new documentary, and we are joined by our correspondent, you first told me and i was intrigued. my sense of desire to see this documentary has only grown in the weeks since. tell us more about the $40 billion that has vanished into thin air. >> thank you about the kind words. the guy we saw in the clip was a guy whose first name was bazal, he was a courrier in baghdad, and it was his job to be on the receiving end of pallets of cash strapped into airplanes and his job was to receive that money, about a billion dollars on more or so and then get that money down the most dangerous road in

the world at the time, what the military called route irish and then safely into the vaults of iraq banks. he handled up to $40 billion in cash. >> now, eamon, tell us whose money this is specifically? the u.s. taxpayer may or may not be on the hook for that money, if it has disappeared. >> that is right. it's not u.s. taxpayer money. it's money held at the fed that is held for governments around the world and they were doing that for the iraq government in suspension and when the war started they unleashed that money and released it to rebuild iraq and the country. what happened to it, there's so much of it, it has been being investigates, i was told in the

documentary that hundreds of millions dollars if not billions of dollars were stolen of that money that was sent to iraq and the question is who stole it and where is the money now. >> and i have some of it? you know, eamon, you hear sth r stories like this, combat forces have pulled out and the contention of the white house is that it's more stable than this was presume ably at the time when trucks were carrying pallets of cash to places. we get news that a car bomb killed 14 people in baghdad, i wonder from an outsider's perspective, do you think the country is more stable now than it was when the stuff was happening with bazal. >> it is more stable, bazal's convoys were getting hit by gunfire all time when they were running the convoys.

but for the obama administration they feel they chalked up a campaign promise, they said they would end the war and they did it. now the question is whether or not the promise will come back to bite him if iraq really blows up in a violent ugly way, will it be seen as a problem pulling out the p troops. that is the gamble that the administration is making right now. saying that we have to take the training wheels off the country at this point. >> the man in the center of the bazal or the most intriguing aspect of the puzzle, his job, transporting money in sort of war torn and unstable areas is not over. it sounds like he is trying to turn it into a cottage industry. >> yes, he handled up to $40 billion in physical cash, at one point putting money in the back of a garbage truck and then

running it down route irish so they did not know what was in there. he has applied for a job running money in libya. he is in the sudan, he is interested in afghanistan. this is a business, and if you have a billion dollars in cash and you need to get it into a car zone, bazal is your guy, and he wants the global financial institutions to know who he is and what his track record is. >> it's a testament to our role in getting these countries back on their feet, if you will, when you mention libya and so on and so forth. where does the investigation stand now in terms of this money, eamon? the inspector general expects to have it wrapped up in 2012. right now they are tracking down bits and pieces of it. they are confident they know where the bulk of it went.

for example, there was a couple hundred million dollars in cash stacked up in the basement of the saddam hussein's castle. that was a lot of money to be left around the place. >> it is, if anybody finds any loose bills lying around, i can give my address. i think i see a clooney role for you in the movie version of this story. thank you for sharing all that information with us, be sure to catch the documentary, iraq's missing billions airing tonight on cnbc at 9:00 eastern. my conversation with the huntsman girls coming up on "now." . coming up next on at andrew i can't mitchell reports, newt's ads go to attack.

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welcome back, it's time for "what now?" in the course of our travels across the state of new hampshi hampshire, we spoke with the triple threat, the huntsman daughters and asked them about what is the one thing that america does not know about your father? and this was their response. >> he absolutely hates mayonaise, it's not allowed in the house. well, he had a really bad --

>> the whole time it was bread, like stale braid with loads of mayonaise in the middle, it was such a horrible experience to only have that that he cannot now. and he is really into music and so before debates he listens to you know -- >> he was listening to very loud music and i was like, all right strategy. >> hates hey nmayonaise, loves music. he said he loves lobster rolls, i think they are heavy on the mayonaise unless you are one of those thipeople that will put o butter and vinegar. i think they are doing a great job. >> they are doing a great job. there's nothing harder than being a daughter on the road and there's three of them. they are doing a great job, they are holding it better than i

did. >> they also said, as far as their father's south carolina strategy, join the hunt. the camouflage chapter, we will see where tomorrow takes jon hunts m huntsman. i want to move on to something more serious. yesterda yesterday, gabby giffordss took place in a vigil. it is amazing to me, that literally a year later she is up there, you know, giving the pledge of allegiance, we know she has four months s to deci whether or not to run. >> it's moving to see her on the house of the floor of representatives and to lead the pledge of allegiance. so, it's a wonderful, wonderful feeling. i hope for the sake of bipartisan ship, i hope for the

sake of the morale of the country that she will announce that she will run for reelection. >> what is the feeling to ground in other home state? >> i think that everyone everywhere thinks it's a miracle. i was in arizona when it happened and it will be remembered in my life. if she is capable of running again, i think she will. i don't know the state of her health. >> i think a lot of people don't. >> i think it a miracle that she is a live and talking and giving the pledge of allegiance. it's just amazing. >> i will move on to later topics, perhaps, we were at an p event in new hampshire where newt gingrich was having a hispanic town hall at a mexican restaurant. the literature, newt for presidente, here is a full

screen. here is a, man that said he will make english the national language than has brochures in spanish. >> i'm blown away that he thinks that there's that many a tlatin voters in new hampshire. >> in the republican primary. >> in the whole state. it's stunning. >> he is trying. >> at least he is trying to have a spanish outreach. >> i have no problem with his immigration process. of all of them -- >> it's been less inflammatory. >> this was at a mexican restaurant, newt has tangled with what he calls the liberal media a lot and i think there may have been a play here to go after the english majors and distract them with a literary themed restaurant. because the twitterverse, i saw

people trying to tilt it. and then there were two loaves of bread and they missed what was happening during the speech. i'm not saying did he that to be clear. but to raise the question. >> i think we were talking about jorge, vorase, it did not do much for my street credit but it helped me with my old literature teachers. thanks again to all of our panel, that is all for now, i'll be back tomorrow at noon eastern, keep it here, we will have coverage of the new hampshire primary all day long and our special coverage kicks off 6:00 tomorrow evening right here. "andrea mitchell reports" is in the granite state. hello andrea? >> we will be talking to romney supporter tim polenti, and jen

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