probably know a run away for romney. so much he didn't have to spend any y to win the state. but underdog candidates like rick santorum and jon huntsman are still hoping to pull off second place as an exhibition of momentum regardless of who wins tonight. voters we talked to are all in agreement about one thing. they are frustrated. >> everything is wrong now. i mean, look at the debt we're in. look at the foreign relations we have. everything seems to be going downhill. every stride that we ever made going forward, we're going backwards. and, you know, things aren't good. people aren't working. i'm just blessed to have a job. >> ron allen is live in manchester, new hampshire. how are republicans reconciling the frustration we heard from that voter? and i suspect many others. >> i think mitt romney is feeling frustration himself.

i think they want to get new hampshire over with and put it in a win column and move on. he's taking a beating over the comments he made about pink slips and firing people. some of that is rick perry was making a speech. he was talking about bain capital. he said they are vultures. sitting out there onç tree lim. they swoop in and eat the carcuses and leave the skeletons. that's what romney has waiting for him. that's the kind of rhetoric that's going to follow him throughout the rest of the campaign. the other story here is huntsman, the polls have him up. if he breaks 20%, that's a big deal. he's been showing some strength here. and frankly in new hampshire, most people you talk to say he sounds like the sensible candidate in a field where that's too far right. those are the stories tonight. romney's margin of victory.

>> all right, ron, thank you so much. why are we using such a small, distorted sample site with closed primaries? yet we use some of the least populated states to set a field for power in america. the issue facing america is a lack of jobs and the extraction of wealth. but those are not the issues in new hampshire where unemployment is around 5% nor is it the issue in iowa where the unemployment numbers are similar to new hampshire's. in those states, people point to other issues. with us is former governor ed rendell. who cares whether the candidates are frustrated. the voter frustration is palpable. i'm interested in your feelings as a voter. forget your political life. how do you feel about the

president of your country being decided in this çmanner? >> well, it's absolutely fool. you make the point that iowa and new hampshire, which could decide the race. if mitt romney were to win by 25 points, it would be effectively over. and you'd have the decision made by two states that have no minorities. very few urban problems. and that makes no sense. plus where is it written in the constitution that iowa and new hampshire go first? >> if you come with the first round knockout, you can basically sew up the nomination by taking out two of the least populated and least relevant states to the economy and culture of this country. >> sure. think back to 2008. had barack obama maintained his lead and beat hillary clinton in iowa, that race would have been over. it would have been over. with none of the big states having cast their votes.

>> let's learn about why that is. the reason it's over is because the fundraising goes with the winner. is that correct? if it wasn't for the private money that's trying to only bet on the winning horse, winning early wouldn't be so determined. >> it's over for two reasons. one is the money goes with the winning horse. rick santorum raised a lot of money since iowa. but the media ends it too. the media doesn't say, hold on. it's iowa and new hampshire. let's wait until we get to florida and michigan and ohio and places like that. we declare the winner. we declare the winner, again, based on two states that aren't veryç representative. >> why do we do that? >> we shouldn't. i think what's going to happen tonight is that mitt romney is going to win clearly. but probably not by enough to score the knockout we're talking about. then the focus goes to who comes

in second. and it's interesting. it's either jon huntsman or ron paul. ron paul comes in second, it doesn't do a thing. because ron paul will stay at this level. he has no growth potential. or limited growth potential. if jon huntsman comes in second, he might have a bounce, except the next state is south carolina, where the voter base is not inclined to be a favorable one for jon huntsman. and the only way jon huntsman competes financially is can he get his family and himself to put the money in? >> here's the interesting thing. and i actually consider this a great deal of encouragement. i like to talk a lot about the issues of trade reform. issues really with a nonfunctioning flow of money. that the flow of money is leaving america. it's not coming into america. that's the reason. everything else is a symptom of that. >> no question. >> it's inspiring to me to know that the two presidential candidates in the republican

field who talk the most about this, or at least are attempting to, are ron paul and jon huntsman. how do you interpret the fact that ron paul and jon huntsman are even percolating around that it number two spot with e rhetoric around trade and bank reform with rhetoric around demilitarization? which are things you don't hear from anyç of the other republin candidat candidates. you don't hear it from mitt romney or the president. >> i think they are it tapping into a significant portion of the american population. there's no question americans are fed up with the war. if we had a referendum on getting out of afghanistan, our troops would be out by st. patrick's day. and americans are fed up. and they have been tap sboog that frustration. they have also been tapping into the frustration that comes from the whole campaign setup itself the way we finance campaigns. i mean, look. mitt romney is playing by the rules. when i was governor, i played by the rules.

>> what are those rules? >> in pennsylvania, there is no rule. we're a wild west state. >> meaning you raise as much money as you can and that you throw that money around to attack your opponents? >> in my case, i have to say, i put that money on informing people what we did. it was amazing how effective it was. i started off within the margin of error with lynn swan. and we put on money. we didn't do any negatives. we talked about the things we achieved. nobody heard them because the media doesn't cover substance. but because we had money to spend, people realized what we had done on education. i ended up winning by 21 points. it is possible. >> every circumstance dictates, but ultimately, you and i reached the agreement that if you can reform what the constitutional amendment, we can talk about that later in the program, but if you were to look

at the presidential debates' abilityç to influence the national debate, do you see any chance that either the bank reform debate, some of the core issues that huntsman and paul are working right now underneath mitt romney will pick up any momentum this year? >> not from the debates themselves. think about it. for the longest time, huntsman was ignored in the debates. the media picks who are the contenders. huntsman is a bright guy. they paid no attention to him in the first debates and secondly, we tend to stay -- we give superficial treatment to those issues. 23 you looked at the saturday night debate, it was about social issues. the country is going to hell in

a hand basket, and we're talking about contraception. >> we have had enough theater around money and politics. we'll do that later in the show today. the media is a huge part of the problem. the media is too influential to the extent that money is. we don't have to go through all of it. but what would you recommend? how would you reform what nbc does? what abc does? >> first of all, i would limit them in topics. one debate is on foreign affairs. that's it. do nothing but discuss foreign affairs. number two, i would have a format where i would let the candidatesç ask each other candidates. if they ask snarky questions, they have to take the risk of looking snarky. but have a real discussion, but focus the daeebates on one. we could have discussed energy in one debate. environment in one debate.

it would have been a great discussion on the issues, but we hopscotch around. you said this about this candidate. what do you have to say about that? it's all about ratings. >> are you still throwing things at the tv? i do. i can't take it. >> i would make it illegal for stations to find out ratings on debates. but the legal, by the way, if you want to be hardened by anything. 36 million americans watched the saints and the lions. 4 million watches the republican debate. >> on the one hand, that makes total sense. on the other hand, we both know if we don't get everybody into the tent to deal with banks and energy and education, we have ourselves a real problem. >> what about just one debate on reforming the financial system? wouldn't it be great to hear? i don't mean to pick on mitt romney, but do you think the system is all right? if you do, how did it get so screwed up in 2008?

>> and who were you borrowing the money from? you were leveraging that money from to purchase companies and destroy them? >> i gave a speech about two hours ago. a guy raised his hand and says, isn't regulation going to screw up our financial system and put us as a disadvantage with foreign countries? i çsaid, wait. stop for a second. what did the unregulated system do for us in 2008? it almost took this country down. we have to get serious about our problems. and this campaign is not getting us there. >> listen. perhaps these types of conversations will begin to get us there. the beautiful thing is we live in a country where we can say these things. >> we need to get tim tebow speaking about these things. talking about financial reform and campaign reform. >> set up a meeting. it's a pleasure to see you. ahead here, auction 2012

continues on the new hampshire primary day. we are exposing the unholy alliance between business and state. and showing you where in the country the heat is on to e get money out. we have a new heat map for you. plus today is the day our book yours truly greedy bastards" fin finally in store. we'll tell you what it is. it's behavior. and where that behavior is lurking right now. ♪ ♪ what started as a whisper

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how did mitt romney come to be? >> believing in free people and free markets.ç >> pull back the regulations that are strangling the american entrepreneur ship. >> we have to lower tax rates. >> get government out of the way. >> lower taxes, less regulation, and praising the people who create jobs. >> oh right. your platform. free markets. deregulation. corporate money in politics. >> i spent my life in the private sector. i have learned thfrom that. i learned the lessons of a free economy over 25 years. corporations are people, my friend. >> you're mad at mitt romney? for god's sakes, it's like mitt romney answered the republicans

eharmony add, and now you're saying it's unfair. >> as we watch the latest auction unfold today, the the growing movement to get money out of our political process is spreading like wildfire growing on the ground across the country. take a gander at this nice piece of technology. the folks at united republic advanced a heat map. where is the actual point of action? these are the hot spots that show where each of the 6,000 volunteers from the more than 300,000 on the get money out list. if you haven't signed up yet, what are you doing? all 50 states are in it. it's fabulous. they are working on resolutions. every state, in fact, and many communities are doing so. one has been the passage of these resolutions calling upon washington, d.c. to pass a

c]nstitutional amendment that says corporations ain't people and money is not speech. the biggest success stories so far have come in the two most influential cities. new york city and los angeles. we haven't even gotten into the legitimate court action that came out of montana that makes the rest of this look like tidally winks. here with an update on the bat is nick penman. thank you so much. last summer you got this going. for taking that ball and providing the tools for us. tell us how do we use that map? how do we get more people to help you? >> let me start with the fact that the country is rebelling against the system that's taking place today in new hampshire. it's like there are two sets in american politics on the stage now. one set that's broken down. the politicians are on right

now. the other one is the one that we are building behind the scenes. meaning, we the people, who reject the current system. that involves the city resolutions and involves more people signing up. the point is that people are coming around the country and getting together to say we reject the way washington is run and we reject the way the supreme court thinks about our campaign finance system. >> is the nature of the campaign, the primary so far, what we saw with iowa and the $16 million and the assassination of newt gingrich s that helping you with recruiting? >> of course. butç we actually don't need a whole lot of help. the public is infearuated about it. a poll came about. 50% of the public said members of congress are corrupt. that's the word they used. that's astonishing. 82% of the public back in july said they felt like members of

congress were exchanging campaign favors for legislative favors. it's like the public is there. they get it. it's just an issue of fixing it. >> i see two barriers. one, how do you transition from the symbolism of these resolutions? and how do you get enough of them to turn the symbolism of municipal resolutions like montana has that says we are not doing this anymore? >> the purpose of the resolutions is to scream as loudly as we can that we want the system to be fundamentally remade. yes, the resolutions are symbolic. but it changes the climate about the issue. we want to force presidential candidates to talk about this. we want to force the courts to rethink their position. they are only going to do that if we rise up and produce these all over the country. >> doesn't the organizing give

you the ability to have communities in small and big towns find each other? then they are better suited to actually take legislative action on a state level. you can't organize for a legislative action on a state level if you don't know who the other person is. it would seem these are a good wayç for people to find each other. >> it's a perfect start. so it's a very reasonable task for people to get done. our hope is to grow these things and get 100 of these done by the end of 2012. >> we're going to need like 10,000. >> a hundred is a good start. it's enough to create a conversation. i want to point out, too, we should be doing these things both in vermont and also in mississippi. this is not a liberal versus conservative thing. this is an all-american cause. >> how significant is it that it montana, who is in the macho and

independent spirit of the country, is the first state with the direct rejection of the citizens united decision as a violation of state's rights? >> it's massive. it would be logical for a state like vermont to do it. but coming out of montana, it's huge. think about it. you have a state supreme court that's bucking a very e recent supreme court decision. they are not overturning something that occurring 15 or 20 years ago when we lived in a different mind set or cultural era. this was two years ago. they are already saying, forget it. we have every right to regulate money and politics in this country. >> and joining us now is jimmy williams, susan del percio, and david. very nice to have you here. susan, you're probably the most skeptical of this entire undertaking, which is why i will come to you first. i learn more when i talk to you about this.

if they don't support the resolutions, there you protest against them? or only vote for candidates that support this resolution. i just wonder until you force people really into doing something more than signing up, i think you're not going to have any real traction on the issue at hand, which is that constitutional amendment. >> and jimmy, you spend a lot of your career transitioning

sentiment or desire, whether it was as a citizen working for your community tran sissing your interests or the interests of your community into legislation. what's your advice to the people? your assessment of how you convert the energy? the occupation now 60% out there. they are advocating to move in that direction. they are interested in pursuing this agenda. nick is having success with you and the whole community at united republic. how do youç convert the energyn a municipal level and how do you grow it in a way that ultimately can result in legislation? >> there are two things going on here. you have a country that's remarkable upset. here's the deal. the deal is you have the anger

and sentiment. you're asking how do you tap into it? your book talks about it. you have to make the problem real in real peoples' lives. it is not a conservative issue. it's not a liberal issue. it's not an independent issue. this is an american issue. people are upset. you have to give them something to be for. this is something to be for. to clean up washington. you and i talked about this in august. we have got to find a way to make people -- they it don't have to love their government, but they have to respect their government. and right now, they disrespect their government. >> david, you have done a good job channelling what i would argue is a traditional american capitalist narrative through the lens of the green bay packers. i mean that. that was a serious statement. the green bay packers are the only fan-owned team in the nfl. they represent the best about

capitalism. they represent the best about fighting "greedy bastards." the fans are the shareholders. and the management to achieve this, i'm interested in how you would sell toç a room of skeptics, a room of people that believe this may be a partisan issue on either side, why this is a justice issue? this is the same as the voting age being lowered to 18 so people could vote for their president? >> nick and i were talking about this. we both know people in business, very successful people in business, who do not like being hit up for campaign contributions day after day after day, but feel they have to because their competitors are doing it. so everybody is unhappy, even if they are playing the game. if you don't like it, if it

doesn't smell like to you, chances are, it's not right. so what we're talking about here is not simply a populous movement. but even the people in the game today and aren't getting everything they want out of the government, even though they are playing the game, they hate it just as much. the way i sell it is, look around the room. people you think you have nothing in common with, they feel the same way. the dots you're connecting is emblem attic of that. the green bay packers are an example of what can happen when people can come together and own something together. >> it's interesting. what david just said is fascinating. i have had more of my former colleagues in the lobbying world pick up the phone and call me, not e-mail me, but pick up the phone and go, i love thatç youe doing this. this is awesome stuff. you're going to save me a fortune. my response is will you come on tv and talk about that?

hell, no. you're a great profile encouragement. i'm so glad you're my friend. >> it would seem we have an impeasing number of folks who are coming on television and talking about it. and i know that we are all grateful to you, jimmy, for helping to spark this whole thing early last summer. to susan, for tolerating my wild rant last summer and maintaining a pleasant face at the time. for david, for teaching us about the green bay packers. and to the rest of the executives who are proving that ideas can be made into reality by simply making the decision to align your interests with other people to achieve it. congratulations. if people want to learn more about what nick is doing, you can visit his website where you'll see the hot map. we'll take a break. does any mother ever feel like their kids are adults?

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as you know if you watch us here, today is book day for us. the official release of "greedy bastards." what's the book about? in a sentence, it identifies the root of our problems and gives us, because it is up to us, in president will save us, we have learned that. it's up to us to fix those problems and the path forward is in this book. at least a version of it. as for the title -- >> a greedy bastard is not a person. it's a behavior. on any given day on any level of society, aoi of us could exhibit it. greedy bastard behavior uses deception to get you to agree to a deal while passing off the risk to you without you knowing

about it. it exploits influence for private gain. greedy bastards offer customers on a low price on something they naid need. but if you dig deep enough, there's always a catch. the odds of that terrible risk happening today, tomorrow, or any given day are close to none. doesn't sound like a bad deal, right? but in the long run, the small risk is inevitable. the way the game is played, that small risk is put on to the government. when greedy bastards use money to advocate policies that make it happen. in the book, i call this the bad deal. think of it this way. take this delicious, mouth-watering pricey chocolate bar at a fraction of the cost. you can't resist, can you? but here's the catch. somewhere inside this sweet is a rock hard enough to break your teeth. you can't see the rock. you can't figure out where it

is. but be sure it's in there. and every time you take a bite, you increase your chances of breaking your teeth. and the government keeps making these deals with industry. we saw it in 2010 with the gulf oil spill. we always knew there was a small risk of something terrible happening. for years, nothing did. but then the blowout preventer failed, and you know the rest. the oil profits stay with bp execs like the liability is transferred to the government and the people of america on thç gulf coast. the behavior is everywhere from wall street to main street. we found multitrillion-dollar trefts across the country. greedy bastard systems have infected international trade, energy, health care, education, and even the politicians they buy. bear in mind, not all decision take millions. we heard of workers taking disability payments while still on the job site.

they too are greedy bastards. the behavior is easy to spot because it's in every economic level in our society. we must recognize what greedy bastard behavior is and seize the modern tools to enforce shared visibility, integrity, and choice into every decision we make so that we can align our interests. and then, as they make themselves known, the challenge is to find compassion and align our interests to restore our republic. >> that just a sliver of the story told in the book's release today. people ask, what can i do to help fix our country? in this boong, we show you while our problems are massive, in many cases you may learn they are bigger than you thought, the very solutions to meet them are similarly massive and they are not only out there, but of you and i, if we join together, we

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inside each chapter of "greedy bastards", there's a map to connect the dots. it shows you or anyone where we are and where we have to go or at least have the opportunity to try to çgo. using hot spotting, the maps point to the biggest breaches of visibility, integrity, and choice in the six major systems in our society. and since it is primary day and we have been talking about the unholy alliance between business and state this particular hour, let's start connecting the dots there. >> you ever wonder where the votes go? it starts at the state level where jerry mandering is king. many states polls hold closed

primaries. have you seen a line to vote against on a ballot? i didn't think so. we often vote for the lesser of two evils, but it's still evil. then there's washington's revolving door. it it gives special interest the power to influence what laws are written. election cycles are media gold. billions are spent on ads. $3 357b9 billion inning a ga gat revenues. double that this year with $7 billion forecast. politics depend og funding from private interests who are rarely aligned with the voter's interests. the green curtain of money has d.c. in a strangle hold. it's why we don't have real debate on fixing banking, health, education, energy, defense, or trade. but there is a way to fix it. first, we need to get a 28th amendment to get money out.

we must reform our election system to add an against li%e on the ballot. jerry mandering must ent. and we must also demand visibility from our elected leaders and use values to expose the interests that are crippling washington. these are the ways to break this alliance. >> we as a society, of course, have a massive opportunity to seize those values and choice in even the smallest way. here to help us learn how to do that, friends of the show and teachers of mine. arianna huffington. i really want to point out the author of the book "third world america." it's a delight to see both of

you. thank you. arianna, when you wrote this book, what do you point to as the symptoms of the misaligned interested in everything in our society? how are people feeling? >> first of all, dylan, congratulations. it's great to have the book out. for you to dare to challenge the status quo. when it was written about two years ago, it seemed a little too much. but we're seeing that, in fact, the heart of the prediction, which was the downward mobility, the growing çinequalities, basically destroying the american dream, destroying the hope of the american middle class for their children to do better than they are doing, and for those in poverty to be able to enter the middle class. and we have seen now with long-term unemployment, with millions of foreclosures, with

staggering student loan debt, these are some of the symptoms of that downward mobility that we're seeing right now with 100 million people right now being worse off than their parents were at the similar age. >> people think a lot about what you were describing as the problem. unemployment is the problem. poverty is the problem. lack of social mobility is the problem. but she just talked about it as symptoms. what are they symptoms of? >> i was just listening to her and thinking of the story where the doctor calls the patient and says i have bad news for you. then i have worse news for you. the bad news is you only have 24 hours to live. the guy says bad news is 24 hours to live? what could be worse. he says i've been trying to call you since yesterday. here we have a diagnosis.

it is of a broken system. the problem know sis is bad news. but fortunately, there's a treatment. you outlined the treatment in each of those sectors. we have to be ruthless in our treatment. ruthless, literally -- >> let'sç look at one. if i can here, i want to see if i can tee up one of the other ones. it looks like this thing is not functioning. so i won't be able to do that. but there are other maps like the health care map, the energy map that talks about the distortion. why is it that you feel that these types of maps are useful in being able to focus people? we know the occupation. we know the tea party. >> usually, activism has been full of outrage, but i think we

are beyond that. it ends up being rage in the end and adds to the collective rage which overshadows creativity. what you're offering is creative solutions. for that, we have to be sober. get out of the drama and look at the maps very carefully with the creative solutions. ruthlessness, but with compassion. cunning in executing the shared interests. >> i think we have a graph for folks. this is therapy for me. i have been on television conducting moral outrage for three years. it's no secret. >> it's a certain stage of development. >> i'm happy to be coming through it. >> that's why it's great you're using your platform. that's something that everybody in the media, we have a responsibility to put the ftlight on what is working on

individuals, on nonprofits, and also on the cyst i emic solutions we can execute in order to get out of the mess. >> all those different areas are part of the disease. which is basically, kroen yism, corruption, and power mongering. >> one of the things that's going to help us is to again and again, make the case that these are not right versus left issues. this is all completely beyond left and right. all the solutions we're proposing, any founding father would be in favor of. they knew it would not survive without a foundation. we have gone way beyond what adam smith and all these guys who invented private enterprise kapt lifl. >> the interesting thing, and i talk about it with the book. we have taken the capital out of

capitalism. we have taken the individual responsibility and the individual opportunity to do this out of it. and i feel like we're in a situation, whether it's with the maps or the work you're doing or the work you do, there's so many folks that you have come into. they are all over. wonderfulfully influential people. we talk about strange bedfell s bedfellows. you could put together a crazy room. >> this is the most appropriate use of the media and the social networks as we're going to have this conversation again through ariana's platform. the one you're using. you need to reach that critical mass and start a grass roots movement that's not dependent on politicians. >> if we awaken ourselves to aspire to seize nobility, as i was talking about with rachel maddow last night, to seize the

mobility of making decisions. just standing out here on the set with visibility and integrity and choice that naturally what happens is we start to see better decisions emerge. but there's more to it. you wrote the war of the world view and made the case that the decision for ariana to make decisions in a certain way, or for any viewer, actually influences what happens. >> yeah. i think we're reaching a critical mass in collective conscientious. this productivity is all inseparate bli interconnected. it's part of the surge in the collective conscientious, which is the old system is dead. and there's a new resurrection coming. death and resurrection is the theme. that's the transformation we

need to see. >> what a thrill to be on the journey with both of you. i can't thank you enough for the support. you have been my greatest supporter outside of nbc themselves. and i thank you for that. you have been a teacher forç m to turn this into a book of problems into a book of solutions. >> and you're going to come teach tomorrow at columbia business school. >> and finally, the big push this evening. streaming on the front of america online, live from home base with ariana huffington. 7:00 p.m. eastern time. the live stream available. coming up at 5:00, chris looking at romney. who finishes second? what does it say about the fact

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the armed forces in a post iraq and post-anything goes budget world seems to be a good start. troop strength in europe has to come down. the era of keeping a big ground force for a big war is over. the pentagon needs to be more +tvátu that right. but the real rubber hits the road next month when the pentagon releases their proposed budget and congress decides how much of our tax dollars get spent. even if the pentagon's proposed budget makes it through weight watchers, it still has to make it through the porkers on capitol hill. and here's where it gets really interesting. you want to talk about money and politics? wait till you see what defense contractors trying to preserve their gravy train too. i'm not talking about political campaign contributions. i'm talking about huge corporations with thousands of employees threatening to pull jobs out of congressional

districts if cuts are made. hell hath no furry like a defense contractor denied. but forcing defense contractors to get leaner and meaner themselves is exactly what we need. according to taxpayers, just a 15% reduction in the pentagon's bloated service contracts would save a kmop whopping $300 billion. president eisenhower warned us in his final address of a military industrial complex that would serve their own needs. the temptation would be to give resources to this base even if not requested out of a mistaken belief we must do so in order to protect the nation. and at the expense of schools, and other infrastructure. take a look at this map. these are jobs and defense contractors. note the states with the big numbers and which members ofç congress live there. like california, where buck

mckeen is from. think he's going to get the squeeze? oh yeah. he's already crying about how many pentagon cuts are going to kill national security. if it's about jobs, there are better ways to get them. spending on transportation or education gets way more jobs bang for the buck than defense. but that's not the point. there's a lobbying war to be fought. and big companies with big contracts want to keep what they've got. let the games begin. >> enjoy it while they've got it. you just described the fantasy. i don't think it will last too much longer. it gets so brazen it can't but end. stick around for some "hardball."

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