>> this is a business mitt romney helped start and this one, and this steel mill. mitt romney helped create and ran a company that invested in struggling businesses, grew new ones and rebuilt old ones. creating thousands of jobs. >> mitt romney's campaign pushing back on some of the bain pain worth mentioning, if you have a defender, why not donald trump. mistake, and then let's not leave out rudy giuliani, let's hear what he had to say yesterday regarding mitt romney and the bain attacks. >> what the -- are you doing newt? i except this from sal. this is what olinsk y taught

baroqrau barack obama? is this going to be effective? >> i have knew some of the people that worked for the companies that dealt with bain. >> we will see companies that bain actually helped survive -- >> to combat theones. >> and i think they should put out something that shows what boards newt gingrich was on. everyone making these attacks at some point or another worked for wall street or something. there's jc flowers we have a woman that was a spokeswoman for them. and then put out a statement

saying that bain capital was a horrible thing. >> it's interesting, for this week's time, i talked on warren buffett. he has been making a few waves and he said that private equity is something that concerns h s . it goes to the future of capitalism which is a big issue and i think it's something that the president can hit on. >> something to jump in on, david drucker of roll call made an important point. the state that is value voters, there's the -- this works to his advantage because we are not talking about abortion, or gay rights this things that he has flip flopped on, we are talking the economy. number two, i went to prep school, i went to boston college, i had friends in private equity and not one of you will look you in the eye and tell you that they go into this

to create zjobs they are their o create money. they are for the shareholders. while this is trying to be used to dereflect attention, saying he is a job creator, you don't go in it to create jobs. you go in to make your shareholders rich. >> i would take issue with that, there are vulture firms that have a mission of adding debt, leveraging them up and then there's bain, it's more known as a turn around term. they all want money no question but they don't all do the same thing. >> would a kid with a harvard mba say i'm going into these leveraged buy-outs to create jobs. >> it's not a question of the motivation, it's a question of the effect. you are right, i'm on the advisory board of american securities, and we look for companies that we can take and

make into a and a minus companies and then sell them down the road and make a profit. in the meantime, build them and make them stronger. they are all manufacturing. >> the question is gingrich is running ads in south carolina, he th he has not yet done anything with the movie that attacked mitt romney's association with bain, the pressure that is coming gingrich's way, is it enough to stop him from doing this we have the billionaire casino owner has walked back a bit from the gingrich attack ads, he gave the endorsement to gingrich -- >> he also said he is not seen the ad. but he is running that ad in south carolina. >> parts of it. >> not the whole thing, but they are running more positive spots which i find interesting.

to there's a move from gingrich to move away from it, whether he moves entirely away from it, we will see. >> he is conflicted. he makes moves when he attacks romney and then he slows down and says, i was wrong, i should not have attacked him like that. i feel bad now. romney'souper destroyed him and then he doesn't fight back. >> you made a terrific point. capital is bad for newt because it takes attention away from where he can really pick up points with conservative south carolina voters. abortion, gay rights. the flip flopping of those issues. not a lot of people, we insiders know that, but not a lot of people know that out in the overall community. if he hit hard on the social issues i think he could bring

the romney margin down consider ail ably. >> we have the latest tracking polls. and the most surprising take away for it was that many romney finally broke the ceiling of 25%. and he is looking like he may the guy and maybe the sort of gathering is good politics. if this is a nominee, do you want a vp nod or position, that brings me to the next question. who is romney looking for at a vp nod if he is in fact the nominee? >> i'm going to vote for kristi. he is somebody that could give emotion and guts and appeal to this candidate and that is what romney is lacking. the problem is he is still seen as a sales man and a cold businessman, christie would bring emotion to that.

now, of course, he has the down side of, you know, being a problem in terms of what he says and being a little, you know, o off, he doesn't feel like a number two, but he has been campaigning hard for romney. he could be an asset. >> i think that the ideal pick is marco rubio and i know the governor disagree with this. if you want to lock down florida rub rubio does that. it does not help with immigration. and he is inexperienced. >> i am different than both of you, i think bob mcdonnell from virginia. i think this because if they are a more conservative catholic base, he is popular in virginia, very much what romney wants to put forward and virginia will be

a swing state in this election. obama has to win it if he is going to get ohio. if you have a good catholic governor on your right hand side -- >> key part. >> absolutely. >> we want to get your picks in governor before we go to commercial. >> i do not think chris ttie, t mistake prone. and i do not see rubio, he has too many critics. >> he told me i was wrong, i'm not surprised. >> i would safe pick pawlenty. if the remember cpublicans are g to carry ohio, the election is over. >> coming up, what happened while you were watching the gop race, a lot of things, we will take you through some of the other stories you're not hearing about. that is next on "now." al ways looking out for al small ways to be more healthy.

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house majority leader eric cantor is globe trotting leading a delegation to france and the middle east, miss communications director tweeted group shot in chili, walking through town and the pudding store. sound like a vacation? one follower tweeted, sounds like fun, are you there for vaca or business, the response, it's business, official visit. joining me now is ezra klein, msnbc analyst and a recreational coder as we just found out. >> i have a long way to go on that. >> you are so far ahead of me on that. luke, i want to go to you first

actually. you are the sage of capitol hill, we know john boehner was on a swing going to brazil and eric is in turkey and cutter and other places. what are they doing over there? >> depends who you ask the official statement for boehner is they are going to see the implementation of the free trade policy and seeing the business practices in brazil and see what can be brought back to the united states and eric cantor is going to the middle east to better american interests. the truth of the matter is both parties do it. nancy pelosi went to italy last year. and basically, it's vacation for members of congress. and they tie it up, much like with what we have done in our careers, as you go to a conference, where are the conferences they are in las vegas and miami. right. and they go around and, you know, a lot of them are serious,

mitch mcconnell is in burma, that was a serious visit. but you have congressmen that have gotten to washington and never travel ed in their lives. the freshman, they go on the taxpayer's dime, they go to europe -- >> to the pudding store. to the pudding store. ezra, there's business that needs to be taken care of boehner's spokesperson said that everyone should be working on -- when do you think that they will get back to legislating? >> i think they will get back to the payroll tax a couple of days before it expires again. i was talking to economyists yesterday and they said, we addad

added -- he felt we would have added one million, it was a big deal. they only got it done for another two months, it's hard to figure out if you are trying pay for it in real time where the money is coming from. the two parties can't agree on that. there's anger on the republican side that they have not gotten the keystone pipeline done yet it's going to be a mixture of issues all rolled into one. >> speaking of politics, on thursday, the president officially requested to raise the debt ceiling, congress has 15 days to either approve it or disprove the request but they need agreement in the house and senate to do such a thing. are we going to see a mini redux of the summer standoff? >> i don't think so. i would say quickly, i think there was an article on the hill saying that boehner has no real

appetite for a battle over the payroll tax cut because they looked terrible. and this one, i think that it gets passed quickly. >> i agree, any kind of further debt issues can only help obama, i think the republicans have learned their lesson. >> if you are talking about the debt limit vote, essentially what that is the opportunity to disapprove allowing it to raise up. it's purely done for show. they can send out press releases saying we don't want to add to the debt and the president is doing it. and the president will take his lumps and nobody will represent come november. the tax cut, they don't want a repeat of what occurred. that all being said is, there are a lot of angry members in the house gop conference, alan

west -- >> he is always angry. >> he said he wish he could have blocked it. we got rolled. while we sit here at 30,000 feet saying they should be able to figure on it us we thought that about everything they do, and it goes to midnight every time. >> we are talking about shenanigans and key manship. governor, there's a lot of wildests as far as just how many jobs keystone will create, from 50 to democratic side to 10,000, do you think the republicans can mount a successful campaign? >> the keystone pipeline should be part of a energy bill that we need to do. i favor the keystone pipeline because we have to develop western hemisphere energy, it will make all the difference in the world in our economy.

we need the keystone pipeline. will it create construction jobs? you bet. we ought to do it. but it ought not to be bargained for as part of the payroll tax deduction. >> i agree. it's about energy security. when you have iran threatening to plug the straight, and the price of oil staying where it is no matter demand. you need to do this. >> there's a game being played on keystone, some are saying it's within the power of congress to negotiate commerce with foreign countries. now we are getting into these constitutional debates. is that a, you know, is that a winning platform for them to launch an attack on the white house with? >> i don't think that is a platform anyone will particularly understand in terms of the broad public debate. so i do think the question goes to the one the governor raised. the pipeline, moving it quickly.

how effectively can they yolk to the payroll tax cut. it's not been rejected and we don't know what will happen with it. there's interesting questions about what happens if you fast track in term thes of environmental reviews. there are some that say it will create an initial approval and they can later modify it. others are saying you can approve it and then move the money and then it gets overturned legally. i think there's a dual question here. but as the governor says, it should not be used as leverage on a tax cut issue. the pipeline is a big question and involves a lot of environmental issues. and it should be done on its own terms. >> would have, could have, should have. we will be back with more after

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the justice department said that the president did not cross the legal line when he made several recess appointments last week, will there be a fight in court. the most controversial was richard cordray's appointment. >> what they want to make the argument is on is that the house and senate were not officially

in recess when the appointment was made, because recess means that there's been a three-day period, there's a definition of recess that is unclear at this point. the president said they were not in session since december 24th. so that will be the argument they push forward. where it all ends up, i don't think it a real election issue. it feeds into the fact that they will say that barack obama defies the constitution. worth mentioning, obama has had 32 in three years, and butch had 171 and clinton 139. is this a case is all is fair in love and politics? >> absolutely. he doesn't care what congress thinks of what he does anybody, he is taking the initiative and

saying, look, you are standing in the way of somebody that can protect consumers. the legal council opinion came out two days after he had done it and it said it's a close call and could get overturned in court. i don't think that they were confident in the court as to whether it would go through. >> politically this is good for him, this is a year in which wall street bonuses were record and the economy is still a problem. and vulture capital is an issue. >> using vulture capital, rick perry would be proud. obama has 181 of his nominees waiting to be appointed, most waiting because of bipartisan support. >> when you are in recess when you are a you are not in recess is a joke.

>> i would like to have a pro forma session on the show where i come in every three days -- >> and bang the gavel. >> it's funny, when you go back through recent history read what democrats said about michael bolton being -- >> john. >> john, i'm sorry. it's the same thing. >> we will be back with more, thank you for joining us today, it's a pleasure to have you on set, we will miss you as the men take over and who knows what happens. up next, the recent rise of populace in the race. martin bashir and dylan ratigan weigh if next on "now "here they come. ♪ you're singing with a broken string ♪ ♪ tell me what you really mean ♪ do you know what you want? ♪ while beating up on yesterday ♪

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in washington, d.c. between them and wall street has to stop. >> the people do not get a break like the multi-national break. >> it's a term i know that people use all the time, called middle class. as if there are classes in the america. >> populism finds it way, i read that wrong is the populist rhetoric making their way into politics, we have dylan ratigan and martin bashir, dylan has a new book out. governor holding that. >> rick perry said corporate

vultures and this adds corporate vampires. >> we have to make a distinction, we are at a point in the america where we are educating ourselves to difference of being entrepren r entrepreneurs and people who use other people's money to screw things up and this is a teaching moment for this country. >> and let's think or digest the sound that we just heard which is from the republican race, and you have santorum saying as if there are classes in america. let's remind gingrich, is on the advisory board of leverage buy out firm forceman little. >> he was. >> perry received more fan $7 million in hedge funds and other places and huntsman cofounded another company. >> and to make matters worse, the financial executives in the

obama board, is bill daley all the architects of the bail out under bush and obama were the exact people lending money to the republican that you are indieting. >> one of the interesting things, the poll published this week about conflicts in american society. 66% of people believe there's serious strong conflict between rich and poor in america. >> and you know, the part of that, the break down of that statistic that i really liked was that republicans increasely see a conflict between rich and poor, governor, is this why we have folks like rick santorum and gingrich and romney trying to position themselves as populace politicians?

>> yes. but you have to be careful before you open this up. the issue is not what is the motivation, the issue is how do we actually create jobs, if i'm barack obama i stay away from this issue, i'll tell you why, everyone that thinks we are greedy basteds are voting for us anyway. >> it's a value system, it's a behavioral system is. but some of us have created more damage with the behavior. >> i think i focus in on, governor romney what is your plan for jobs? the president laid his out. is it the same old cut taxes and regulations, that has not worked. >> how much money did you raise for your campaigns, governor? >> $42 million and in 2006, $32

million. >> hey, martin bashir don't hate the villain, hate the game. >> but you talk about this and at the end of the day, what do you expect when individual members of congress have to run for re-election every two years. the moment you are elected -- >> can i comment on that? >> can i finish? if you have to run for re-election every two years how else do you do it without raising money endlessly? >> your question was what do i expect? >> yes. >> i expect the people of america to organize around the issue of politics, and around states and to launch a national campaign in 2014 to eliminate the money in politics because

311 million of us and 445 of them and it's only if we decide to stop them that we will stop them. >> that is appealing to our better angels in a way, you see the role that the super pacs are raising. the white house raised 222 million and president obama captured the majority of voters that were making ov-- >> as far as domestic individuals are concerned they do it anonymously. >> you do not think that people should be able to contribute to those people that have their interests? >> i think you can have

unlimited money to propose an issue or support an issue but for an election we have a right no limit it and the answer to martin's question is public financing. you can give everyone $2 million for a congressional race that is minimal compared to the pain. >> why is president obama opting out of the public finance system? >> he should not be allowed to. >> the thing to remember in this conversation is that there's a belief that the mere act of overturning citizened united you will not have a problem. that is wrong. you will go through that trouble, you have to acknowledge the second issue which is money in speech and the 77 issue with buckley dalaho -- >> dylan you are getting deep.

>> it's time to get deep. >> he has been like this stins he started wearing glasses. >> let's talk about the campaign, you now have a crop of multi-million ai multi-millionairs there is nothing wrong with being rich. but does anybody buy in rhetoric from the right that these guys are populists? >> i think somebody handed them a paper that said say these words. they are not connect to anything, they are not connect to any policies or ideas they have. >> neither is obama. the suggestion that this is a right-wing issue or oh, my goodness look at the foolish republican s can you believe it? >> but his numbers are going up. >> and the president as a great manipulator of information

allows him to be an effective leader. but when you see the restoration of capitol requirements, it's not that i do not think it, it's an observable fact that there's no exchange for swaps. >> known is more una bashed for love for dylan than me, except for thousands of women -- >> if dodd-frank did nothing, why in god's name are they fighting so hard to get rid of it? >> slippery slope. >> isn't it, don't you have to start, a journey of a thousand miles -- >> it does not, it does not. >> so tell me this. >> have you read it? >> i have read it. do you understand that there's a $700,000 credit swap default, that is the poison that is being

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corpses is the damage done? there's a lot to unpack here, just how damaging do you think a news story like this on the heels of us pulling out of iraq? >> the taliban are negotiating a conversation that -- >> peace talks? >> i think that is too strong. but there's suggestion of a dialog, the taliban said these images would not affect that. the problem is that when this kind of thing happens, there's often times a reaction against military forces. and so, what you find is, innocent upright serving military personnel end up being the victims of a horrible bombing and i think there must be a sense of high alert across

aven afghanistan. >> i spoke to my sources on the hill and they said definitely in the coming months you could see military officials being interviewed under oath about what exactly happened here. i spoke to one source that said the worry about this was that you could have retaliation against united states forces and the question came of why would you video tape this? and that is what the guy asked me and i said well, i don't know, i was not out there in the field. so i refrain from judging what soldiers do. obviously this is horrible. but what would lead someone to video tape this type of the behavior when it can only hurt. >> the more important question was what in god's name were we doing in afghanistan? >> that was where i was going.

as long as our tax money is being used to fund these undertakings and then for us to sit here, where there's another 1% in this country, 1% america's population is in the army and the rest of us are not and for the rest of us to sit here in studios and judge what it is like, not that we are doing that, per say, but that is the core thing and for me it a reflection of how destructive to our own brothers and sisters this is. that is the most extreme expression. >> if you have a conversation with veterans and the things they have seen and what goes on, one described it to me, it's a dog eat dog world. >> the suicide numbers of veterans returning home, ptsd numbers.

let's talk about iraq, now we have combat forces out and you look at what is happening in terms of violence, three school boys killed among the 15 that were killed last week. i mean, the country seems like it's -- >> and it's happened within weeks of us pulling out and i would like to ask a question to anybody in the administration, the prior administration, the generals, is there anyone that can guarantee, if we stay in afghanistan for five more years that three weeks after we leave it will be like this. of course not. get our men and women out of harm's way. >> can obama do that politically? do you think? >> what? >> can obama do politically? >> i think he can do it. >> it worked for ron paul. >> the biggest problem we have in iraq is that it's boarded by iran, which is a shiite

dominated nation which is fuelling and funding activities in iraq. so now you do not have a single nation state where it's left to itself after we withdrew, but now they are subject to a massive potentially nuclear arming country, and that is why the situation is volatile, it's not just that nation, it's across the region. >> that is the question, what is iraqi nationalism in 2012? >> if you talk about the iran issue, there's the straight of hormuz, it's a issue on the economic level and -- >> it's a wonderful saber to rattle and it's fun to fear monger, what are we going to do when they shut town the straight of hormuz, it's a disaster for iran as much for us. >> we have to ring a gong on the straight of hormuz, we will talk

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the gop field has invaded south carolina with romney looking for a hat trick and this week in new hampshire, we learned to expect the expected. what just happened? >> why is the world -- >> actually new hampshire did not surprise anyone. in fact, new hampshire put some people right to sleep, with a race so cut and dry, even the questionable lines -- >> there was a couple of times that i wondered whether i was going to get a pink slip -- >> fell on deaf ears. would be contenders settled for second. deep second. >> he has about as much chance

as being nominated as rupaul would. >> and even then could not get respect. >> i'm not ron paul, i'm rupaul and i'm not running for president. >> others look today unsurprising results and tried to be excited. >> third place is a ticket to ride, ladies and gentlemen. >> even the confetti was not convinced. it was a primary was that so bull that sweater vests were statements. >> working on an orange vest for hunters that would have the santorum logo but the writing, the right to bare arms. >> i wish i knew -- don't quit on my campaign. >> down south, the front-runner will try to cement his standing in spanish. while the underdog will try and cash in on a promise he made

just weeks ago. >> i'm going to be the nominee, the odds are high. >> in the end, the american people will be the ones who decide, probably. are people paying attention to these primaries? >> absolutely not. absolutely not. expect the expected. governor ed rendell is this the most entertaining and crushingly bore primary? who do you think is the most interesting person to stage? >> ron paul without question. he is a great psychological study. >> i could not agree more, ron paul is the only person who is running for president who is attempting to alter the narrative the conversation to different areas. >> the other thing interesting about ron paul, he could mount a third party challenge if he

wanted to but the talk around washington is he will not do that because he wants his son to take the momentum he built and carry it with him. if you look at rand, he is going from 20 to 25%, maybe he runs again in 2016 and if obama gets re-elected -- >> i think that ron paul is like john the baptist crying out in the wilderness, eating locust. >> if ron paul is a third party candidate, that is like ross peiro, that would be biggest gift that obama can get. >> given the field of newt gingrich, and i'll throw in herbman caher herman cain, ron paul is the most interesting? >> it's an amazing thing. he sits there and throws out these votes because he is so outside of the mainstream, leadership doesn't listen to him, he is the crazy uncle that the gop doesn't listen to and

then come around the presidential election, he is the hottest thing on capitol when he is back there. it happens every four years when he runs. >> can ron paul play the bongos. martin bashir can play them. and we have a photo of him doing it. we talk about the most interesting person on stage, quite literally. >> what is that? >> it's martin bashir. >> i was at a party last night and i had a bit too much to drink. >> well, hey, man if that is the expression of too many cocktails i say double down on that. thank you again to governor rendell, martin, dylan and luke. and you can see martin at 3:00 and then dylan. and don't forget the book. "greedy bastards." thank you for joining us, on

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