due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive. and to maintain order. san quentin state prison, among the most notorious our cameras spent months documenting life on the inside where gangs, drugs and sheer boredom make up a violent mix. this is "lockup: san quentin, extended stay."

>> in america's prisons, violence is a way of life. san quentin, the old nest california has one of the longest histories of violence. >> there's fist fights going on, guys getting beat up pretty good. >> whether it's an inmate on the street. >> a gang dropout. or an identification trying to maintain order. >> he was going for the jugular but he just missed. >> they've all fallen victim of violent attacks. in the three months we were at sen quentin, we saw our fair share. ♪ i pray to god i don't die for the wrong people ♪ >> administrative segregation, other wise known as ad seg is reserved for the worst of the

worst offenders at san quentin. >> they need to be separated from the general population. >> ad seg inmates live in single man cells, on lockdown 23 hours a day and handcuffed and escorted by officers for all moves. >> san quentin [ bleep ] is my life. >> darrell samuels is being housed in the carson section section of ad seg for an assault on an officer. >> what's up? >> don't step on my foot. >> okay. okay. >> i was breaking it in the projects back in the day and i got caught when i was 9 years old. after that, it's just been jail from then. >> i kept going to group homes and kept running from group homes. ended up in wiley.

>> not worried [ bleep ]. >> on a gun charge. went to county jail, got out for that, got another gun charge, got sentenced to the penitentiary. got out now. i have a violation. never had no positive influence. my influence was the streets. i thought that was positive. that's all i knew. i'm thinking that is the right way. that's what i did. >> samuels wants to turn his life around for the sake of his son. he doesn't want his boy to grow up without a father like he did. >> that's my life right there. that's what i got to live for. that's what i think about all the time. i want to straighten my life out for him. i didn't even have no dad, even though he would have been good to me, he fell victim to the streets and i'm not trying to be the same. i don't want him growing up like me. i got to be there for him. i'm thinking right now, i'm not doing nothing right for him. i have to do something for him. people ain't gonna forget, even

if i try to straighten my life up. a lot of people trying to straighten their life up but living in the same environment. people don't forget because you're doing good. it don't take away the hurt you cause people. you can die in your [ bleep ] environment on the streets. i've got to leave. that's the only thing that will help me. >> samuels, along with the other ad seg inmates are given only one hour of yard time each day, most of which is spent talking about what they've all got in common, serving time. >> i'm supposed to get out next month. because it's assault on a police officer, i don't know if they will let me go back or ship me out. i don't know what's going on. >> they have me up for a transfer. i'm just a lonely dude trying to go home to his family. you feel me? what they gonna do, try to ship you out too, then? >> i don't know what they do. >> we don't get no type of respect or justice at all. >> not at all. >> [ bleep ].

>> that's my little homeboy, little "d." you know what i'm saying? i can't explain. we have a lot in common. that's my young dude. we both came from the same area, we have the same upbringing. have the same traits. he's different from the rest. if he had the right opportunity, he'd excel better than a lot of others. >> while interviewing inmate scott, a fight breaks out on the basketball court. and in the time it took us to turn around and capture what happened, like most prison fights, it was already over. >> lay down. >> how did little "d" get into a fight?

>> sergeant thompson and his investigative services unit arrives on the scene to see what transpired and try to piece it together. although it appears samuels is the aggressor, both he and the injured inmate will be investigated over the next few weeks and possibly be brought up on battery charges. >> have we confirmed it was weapon or not a weapon? do we know? >> last word is it was not a weapon. >> blunt trauma, right hook? >> all right. >> these two guys got into a fist fight right over here. supposedly the victim was knocked out for a few seconds. >> if charged with battery on an inmate, samuels could find himself stuck in ad seg and adding up to a year on his sentence, meaning more time away from his son.

>> drop it! coming up next on "lockup: extended stay," an inmate is battered inside protective custody. >> we believe he had been the victim of a battery. >> now, his life is in jeopardy. >> i don't feel like saying nothing, you know? >> what is this working for? >> this right here. later, a gang dropout reveals weapons secrets to an officer. >> you drop it and pop it, it will shoot out of there at a velocity.

you have three things to fight for, your name, your word and respect. >> gang violence is an epidemic in san quentin, even at smy, where gang dropouts are housed

>> it is a sensitive needs yard, used to be called protective custody. it's an area where inmates can be housed because of safety concerns. they are called gang dropouts, identified by the inmate population as informants, have sex crimes in their past, things they still have that predatory mentality, being a protective sensitive needs type guy doesn't make them a good guy. there's gangs in sny. there's first fights going on, guys getting beat up pretty good. >> i have sufficient grounds keep you in ad seg. >> lieutenant munoz was called in to check on an inmate after he was attacked in his tier at sny, most likely a gang related attack. >> we believe you've been the victim of a battery. until we find out who the assailant or assailants are, you're in jeopardy to our security. >> okay. >> all right.

>> we place him in segregation for his own protection until we find out who battered him. it's got to be more than one person. >> because of the numerous bruises he had and the two black eyes, it just appeared to me, it would have happened outside of the cell, where he would have been assaulted in a blind spot. >> lieutenant munoz must investigate the incident despite lack of cooperation from the victim, who fears being labeled a rat. >> i will get out sooner or later. it's easy to find out. just don't feel like saying nothing. >> at this point we had no knowledge as to who did it or why. you go from one gang, as a dropout and you form another gang. it doesn't seem to end. >> these people in here, they want you to do something else. i'd rather take care of my business and see my family one

day, you know. >> when you come to prison, it's still our obligation to protect you no matter what. the department's view about gangs is to disassemble, get those individuals to drop out, tell on each other. because we gain better control of our population. it's an ongoing process that never stops. >> let's go, gentlemen, let's >> i'm in protective custody because i'm a dropout. >> you gave up everything you had to give up to get a place over here. if you try to fake a debrief, they'll know about it. they'll put you at the back of the list and maybe you wait again. that's another five, six, seven years because people are dropping like flies. there's a lot of people just like them. involved in drug trafficking,

involved in assaults. involved in any type of violence you can possibly think of. i was that bad ass, too. i wanted to be. my hand was raised for anything. anything meaning any type of business that needed to be taken care of, my hand was up for it. my tattoos, i have a lot of them. i have some that are actually hits inside a prison. lightning bolts are for hits on the inside of the left arm. these right here are a hit on like a black or a mexican. >> how did you get those? i have a swastika. >> i tried to cover it up actually, after i dropped out. that was for somebody at high desert guys in crip at high desert. it's a sign of respect.

you probably don't want to mess with that individual because you're supposed to get whacked williams to alpine one. >> since dropping out, speedy has been charged with two separate counts of in cell violence, stabbing one and cutting another one's throat. >> that's the biggest one i've had since i've been here. >> speedy is meeting with counselor gray, to discuss a possible transfer and his behavior. the sessions are standard procedure for all protective custody inmates. >> you know you have life. you have a life sentence now. you have 234 points. >> it went down. >> when the life of crime starts, it escalates. still level four. you have a score of 1 that will

stick for your life sentence. while you're in here, based on the present theory, will be good, if you don't have any other disciplinary problems. that just adds up. >> what about my last one, you don't have it in here? my 115? >> it was 2002. >> have you done anything recently? >> no. how about before that? >> you have a string of them. i don't think we should go through all that. >> there's a lot, though? all right. thank you. >> in the past five years, speedy has refrained from any acts of violence and changed his outlook on life in prison. >> debriefing, going through that whole process is my reward of being able to come back out in society, our society here.

this is great for me. it's the only thing i've got coming. i had to go through a whole hell of a lot to get here. >> when i met him, i believe he was racist, right? i was going to hit him 50 feet. right? whatever had him like that, angered him, he's grown a lot. speedy ain't like that no more. he's got life. he basically has to fight for his to get back. next on "lockup: extended stay," an officer investigates what happened on the basketball court. >> i want to tell you that it was self-defense. >> speedy shows how coffee lids can have more than one purpose in prison. >> i'm making a weapon right now. i've got to get it on, this way right here. [ male announcer ] if you had a dollar for every dollar

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in ad seg, darryl samuels and michael edwards are being held for the fist fight they had on the basketball court. >> drop it! >> officer deit is the investigator who will talk with the inmates and determine who started the fight. >> we have certain behavior patterns that inmates must abide by according to the title 15, which is given by the director. when they violate this, a written violation report 115, once it's written, the inmate is logged, inmate is served and heard by the hearing lieutenant. i'm serving inmate edwards 115 and inmate samuels 115. they had a fist fight on the yard, friday, 30th of march. they've both been charged with battery on an inmate because one inmate received serious injuries. it's a serious 115. this is a real serious offense. they could lose up to a year of credit earned.

>> where's jamie at? >> when i go up there, i talk to an individual like i would talk to you right now. we're going to serve this man his paperwork and see what happens. >> you want it right now? >> the officer, i have a 115 for the fight you had on the yard the other day. charged with battery on an inmate with serious injuries. that's a serious offense. if you're found guilty of that, it carries a maximum forfeiture of 360 days. being you're in lockup, you have the right to have an investigative employee. if you want to have anybody you want investigated or anybody on the yard and you know their names. >> i don't know their names, that's what i'm saying, if you could find out for me, i don't know their last names, they will tell you it was self-defense. >> what i will do, get the yard list and see who was out there

that day, right and ask them the questions you want me to ask, was it self-defense or did he swing on you first? is that what you want me to ask? >> that it was self-defense, he swung on me first. the whole yard seen it. >> i will give you a copy of the ie report, once it's typed. all right? >> all right. >> see you in a little bit. what i'm going to do right now, i have to get the yard list from the officer, so i know who to question and i will ask the individuals per inmate samuels, did the other inmate swing on him first? >> right here, willie. >> give me the house and the name. >> officer alejos locates witness names in the yard log. there are five inmates officer deid must question. >> thank you. >> due process. he has that right.

he has witnesses to be called right here. he has the right to tell his side of the story and present witnesses like he would in court. same thing. going to the house, second floor. >> before officer deid meets with samuels witness, he visits with edwards, still recovering from the incident in the infirmary. >> officer, i'm officer deid and you had a fight with another inmate. i have a 115 for you for the fight you had on the yard the other day. it charges you with battery on an inmate. it carries a maximum time 364 day forfeit to your credit. >> it says i harmed someone. who did i harm? >> the individual you were fighting with? >> is he in the infirmary? >> no, he is not. do you want to have anybody investigated, employee working that day?

>> no. just the employee working that day. >> he'll be at the hearing then. >> see what he saw. >> do you have any questions? >> no. >> all right. >> hey, jamie. what happened was i went on to see edwards, right? he's in the hospital, doesn't look too good. worse for wear, has facial lacerations. the only person he wanted at the hearing was reporting officer gunman, only person he wants there. he doesn't want nobody investigated. that's it on that. however, samuels wants somebody investigated. i'll go up there and get these guys on the tier, right? >> 227. >> 227? >> oh, yeah. >> samuels is up there being

charged with battery on an inmate, right? he wanted me to ask you what did you see? >> i didn't see nothing. all i seen, when i looked to the side, all i heard was officer get down and the dude was already on the ground. >> you didn't see anything at all? >> nothing at all. >> all right. remember that fight on the yard last friday? >> what about it? >> inmate samuels upstairs has been charged with battery on an inmate. he says you were on the yard and wants me to ask you, what did you see? >> i seen a dude hit him. why? >> what dude hit him? >> the other one. >> the other one, edwards? >> yeah. the one on the ground. >> the one that got knocked down. >> mr. powers. >> come on, dawg, let me talk to you for a minute. he was aggressive. >> i investigated five guys up there.

>> talked to 27? >> yeah, talked to 27. said he didn't see anything at all. however, i've got about three individuals that said edwards swung on samuels first. >> that's right here, too, he was at guesser. >> samuels is probably the one charged with great bodily injury, with the injury that edwards suffered, he got knocked out. >> although the evidence leads to self-defense, samuels could still receive an additional year on his sentence, if found guilty. >> and that's the first time edwards had been aggressive on the yard. they tried to stop him from fighting and this time he wouldn't listen. >> he thought he was a big, tough guy out there. he ran into a buzz saw. >> yeah. that's what happened. >> that's what you call yard justice right there. coming up next on "lockup: extended stay" -- >> we have 24 hours to stay ahead of you. you only come here for eight hours. >> speedy demonstrates for an

officer just how easy weapons are made in prison. >> pop a jugular vein.

now back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. ♪ ♪

>> cramer. rodriguez.♪ >> you hear the whistle and hear the officers yelling, you know it's not a false alarm. >> call him in, will you? fist fight. second tier landing. >> an alarm sounds in the sensitive needs unit after yet another fist fight breaks out on the tier. >> turn your feet around. turn your feet around. >> i heard a whistle and responded to the second tier

landing cellblock and found the inmate laying face down. said he had just been in a fist fight. >> i knew i had to get out of the way. >> see you guys. >> i then proceeded to take him down to get medical for an injury and now being placed in a holding cell in donner section, probably going to be one of our newest arrivals in administrative segregation. >> what is becoming the protocol in these violence incidents in sny, both the attacker and victim are moved to ad seg. >> got into an altercation. he sucker punched me in the head on the way back. there's not supposed to be any gang is in the prison in the pc. something they've overlooked, i guess.

>> after 21 days, you'll be moving next door to carson section to serve the remainder of your time in segregation. you'll have icc. and i'll get you an orientation pack to determine the rules and regulations of this unit. >> the segregation population is anything but welcoming for an inmate they assume has snitched to gain protection. >> that's what they do in the state penitentiary, don't ask me [ bleep ] i don't tell them. be a man, respect yourself. they're going to feed him to the wolves. he's a lamb chop. he's a lamb chop. [ bleep ]. >> without the nazi low rider code of honor to adhere to, speedy can work with isu. even as a dropout, he is blatantly breaking gang ranks by helping officers gather intelligence, working directly

with officer morales, who he has known for four years. >> hi, speedy. >> if it's saving somebody from getting hurt, then that's cool. >> i brought you in today because i want to actually get more insight on gangs, weapons, how they're made. i know every step we try to take, you're always one up. >> exactly. we've got 24 hours to stay ahead of you. you only come here for eight hours so you have to step up your game to keep up with us. >> what is this working for? >> this right here is a plastic bottle, a pepsi bottle or something you buy off the canteen, take a rubber glove that's accessible all over the place, put it on the end of the water bottle with a rubber band,

tighten it down, and then take a projectile, whatever, a pill or piece of metal, anything hard, put it inside that, grab it, pull it, pop it, it will shoot out of there at a velocity -- >> part of speedy's intel involves showing officers how easy weapons can be made. in this case, the plastic lids of coffee cups. once melted by the heat of an ignited roll of toilet paper will transform no a potentially lethal shank. >> i'm hardening this plastic right here. see how it's folding down like this. what i'm doing, i'm trying to get a little wad of it so i have something to work with. what i'm doing right now is i'm molding. this is like playing with clay. it's plastic. i'm making a weapon right now. i'm melting this plastic down into a shape. what i'm doing is -- is i've got

to get it all to this way, like here. once i get it like this, i'll show you. >> i think it amazes me how fast it can be made and sometimes who it's used for. sometimes for us, sometimes for another inmate. >> you have to have hair go into the bottom of this thing or else it will start smoking real bad. then you bring it here. let it get into the cold water and it hardens it. makes it stronger. look it. that is what you're trying to come out with. what we do here, you can either put a tip on it right here, sharpen it down on the concrete, to where you'd have a piece that -- and it's actually --

>> this wouldn't even be detected in a metal detector at all. >> no. >> that could get to the yard real quick. use it, throw it, flush it, you're done and over with. >> stab it at somebody's heart, pop a jugular vein, pop an eyeball out. >> and then you clear the evidence. >> clear the evidence and your work station is clean. >> no detection. next on "lockup: extended stay," whether you're an inmate doing your time -- >> i did everything i could to avoid the situation. >> or a correction officer. >> was going for the jugular but he just missed. >> your life is constantly at risk in san quentin.

tensions run high a lot in prison. there are confined quarters and they only have a limited amount of exercise. >> they're so used to it, you just, you know, fight or flight. >> when he stood up, he knew what he was doing. and he got hurt, though. >> one of the guys got a little out of hand and the other one decided he was going to check him and they had the fight. >> with violence so engrained in prison politics, not even the prospect of being released can halt an altercation. >> was supposed to be released monday. i did everything i could to avoid the situation.

i did everything i could. when people say certain things in prison, punk, bitch, lame, something like that, it's an automatic fight word. it's hard to explain to somebody not in the prison system. most of you say, like, i don't care, one day, i'm walking away, no matter what happens. but it's not that easy all the time. i wish it was. >> i had to do what i had to do. sometimes it goes like that. >> both inmates involved in the fight are brought in front of the icc to discuss the incident. >> this was not necessarily a real simple case of a fight in prison. essentially, it was a black inmate and white inmate that got into a fist fight in the dining rooming. 99.95% of the time in a prison setting, that's a keg of dynamite. >> so mackey was placed in administrative segregation on march 11th. he's being charged with a mutual combat with an inmate.

however the 115 states he's being charged with battery on an inmate. >> what precipitated this? >> he stood up. >> so you reacted to what you felt was threat? >> yep. >> we will put you on walk alone right now until we get you through this 115 because we're not sure exactly what's going on with you and we're not going to go into the charges here. do you have any other questions about that? okay, man, take care. >> i'm not believing too much that the guy just stood up and he felt threatened. >> correct. >> i'm not interested in hearing the 115. what kicked that off? >> disrespect. >> okay. just between you two? >> yeah. >> okay.

we're going to keep you in ad seg right now pending adjudication of that 115. i'm going to put you on walk-alone yard while you're over there. you understand all that? >> yes. >> okay. take care. >> thanks. >> with the potential of a lengthened sentence, he realizes his actions carry even greater consequences. >> if i could do anything for him right now, it would be with him. my son is 3 years old. for him to know that his dad loves him and he's there. he is loved. he's got his mom. but nobody takes the place of a dad. my decision will affect him. he doesn't deserve for his dad to be here right now. a stupid fight affects your freedom.

and that was my choice. that's what makes me mad. >> in the time that officer alejos has been a correctional officer at san quentin, he has witnessed his fair share of prison violence and been on the receiving end of it. >> i've been sliced. back in columbus day of 1988, about 9:40 in the morning, i was working the adjustment center, and running showers on the first floor right there, and took the inmate to the shower, uncuffed him, turned my back and he was going for the jugular but he just missed.

i got taken to the hospital here. they took me out and stuff like that. i think it was 35 stitches and two plastic surgeries, so, i was furious. i wanted to get back at inmates, i wanted to kill inmates. i wanted to get them back. but i didn't. they're not worth doing time over, they're not worth losing your job over. it's not worth it. >> even though alejos is a veteran officer, everyday at san quentin is unpredictable. his survival tactic has been never to show fear. >> it's like the law of the jungle, only the strong survive here. if they see you're afraid, they will eat you alive. you never, never let your fear show, never. you have convicted felons here for murder and for rape. we have level fours here that you don't know, in a split second, a level two could be a level four and they could stab you. they could stab someone in front of you. you respond to help him and guess what, you get stabbed,

too. >> in such a chaotic environment, the comaraderie among officers is vital. they rely on each other for backup, as they risk their lives everyday. >> i love this place. it may sound sick but this is my job. this is a career, i guess it chose me. you build some great friendships with the officers here. >> ten pounds of cocaine wasn't mine. it was yours. you have a keister, remember? you have an environment where your life depends on someone else and someone else's life depends on yours. it kind of makes you a lot closer. it really does. you appreciate each other more. coming up next on "lockup: extended stay" -- >> you were right there on the wall. it could have gone either way. >> the investigation into the fight on the basketball court concludes and darryl samuels is

given a verdict. >> you change your own destiny, so you've got to stay out of trouble.

they're all dangerous. they are all very dangerous up here. that's why they've been placed in administrative segregation. they've assaulted inmates and they've assaulted staff. >> there are more than 900 correctional officers at san quentin state prison, nearly 200 of whom are women. officer mannix is one of them. >> hi, miss mannix. >> hey.

>> i'll see what i can do and let them know that you're still here. >> okay. >> all right? >> all right. >> being a correctional officer, i'm at work and that's full time when i'm there. when i'm home, i'm a full time mom. >> here, john, you want to help out. >> it's been 12, 13 years. she's had a couple of minor incidents, but for the most part, you know, it's a job. >> i thought only guys were prison guards for the longest time. then my mom said, yep, i'm working at san quentin. i'm like, really? i thought that was only a guy thing. >> i have to go upstairs and change. >> okay. >> i'm proud of her. that's basically it. >> she does good at whatever she does. i respect what she does because it takes a strong woman to do that. >> not everyone gets it. i think honestly, a lot of people don't want to know about prison. it's part of society that people

just don't want to know about. >> all right, babe, i'm going to go. give me a kiss. love you. see you later. all right? all right, bye. >> there's a bit of fear but, you know, you kind of deal with it. you know, her being a woman, other things come into your mind. so, scared, yeah, some days. >> it's supposed to rain next week. get the sunshine while you can. >> you expect monsters when you come into prison. and they're not. they look like your neighbor and a lot of them are very young. all these guys have parents. nobody has a kid, thinking, someday you're going to go to prison. >> every inmate is like a snowflake, everyone's unique and different. that's the way i look at them.

you have to approach and handle each one differently. you can't approach the same one and do the same thing with each one. sometimes you have to go up and yell at them like they're a little kid. you have to say you're sorry, to those people, okay? you didn't mean to do that. it wasn't you, it was your other twin. >> sure. >> turn around. >> sometimes you talk to them like man to man. >> do me a favor, hang out here, don't make no noise or kicking, i'll go make a phone call right now. they know it's about you. >> every approach don't work. you have to use different approaches for every inmate. >> it's my job, i'm here to protect and serve. if they have a problem, our job is to -- we're trained to diffuse the situation. that's what we're trained to do. >> the one that's made a special trip to the carson unit today to recognize officer alejos for skillful handling of challenging inmates. >> when i came back to san quentin, i remember from my previous life before i retired, there was something called superior accomplishment award,

okay? basically, what that is, you get to give somebody a check, you give them money when they stand out. the first one of these that i'm going to give out is to somebody here. of course, it's jamie alejos. >> thank you, warden. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> i mean, i've known this guy for over 25 years. he's the same now as he was then. a little grayer, a little grayer. i wanted him to be the first one to get this, to recognize all his years of dedicated service. but also he takes his job as seriously as you take yours. he realizes, as you do, that we're responsible for the health and welfare of these guys. >> you're as strong as your weakest link and together here as a unit, we all work together

as one which makes a strong unit. i couldn't do this without these guys right here, especially with lieutenant fuller and sergeant lee. >> he's still not getting more hours. >> the fight investigation in ad seg found both samuels and edwards guilty of mutual combat. samuels has moved to the reception center and is awaiting transfer to another penitentiary in the coming weeks. there, he will serve out the six months remaining on his sentence. >> the inmates were on the yard playing basketball. edwards was getting kind of rough with samuels, didn't like the way they were playing, didn't like what was happening to him, so he just swung on him and hit him. from there, the fight ensued. he was looking at getting 360 days.

but that got reduced down to a lesser offense. mutual combat, he received 61 days, which he was satisfied with. >> after working out in the yard, inmate samuels meets with woodward to review his plans for the future. >> there was a concern about giving you that break because you were right there on the wall. it could have gone either way. >> i know. >> the only reason you got that break because the lieutenant said, i believe this kid can turn it around. don't disappointment me. you change your own destiny. so you've got to stay out of trouble, okay? >> i'm doing my time, not starting no trouble. i'm trying to learn how to walk away from it. that's going to be hard. things happen. around a bunch of men and we all got our own issues, stuff happens. >> samuels' behavior inside prison determines the length of his stay.

but with little education and no plans, it's going to be a tough road ahead. >> i haven't been in school since the fifth grade. >> you've been locked up since the fifth grade. >> in and out of jail. >> youth authority. >> youth authority. >> juvenile hall. >> and what are you going to do with a fifth grade education? >> to be honest with you, i don't even know, whoever will hire me, i have to get a job, or i'll keep getting violated. >> based on your history and based on where you're at and your recent behavior, you're not in a position where you're going to succeed. you need a plan and you need to be a realist. you need to change some things. we've talked about this. if you don't change it, i'll see you soon. that's just the reality of breaking that cycle. it's a vicious cycle. okay? you ready to go back?