tv The Last Word MSNBC January 18, 2012 10:00pm-11:00pm PST
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congressional committee, you guys nailed me. you got me exactly right. seriously. it's uncanny. especially the hair. you totally got my hair exactly right because this is what my hair looks like. i take it as a profound comment that you even know who i am, let alone even time to make money. many thanks. tonight, who is the real mitt romney and where does he keep his money? and we'll bring you the gruesome hollywood murder mystery that has los angeles trans fixed. >> conservatives come together. we beat romney. >> all that newt-mentum. >> i want to knock him out. >> i need your help to beat romney.
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>> today newt did what newt does. >> newt gingrich is ceasing the opportunity to hit him. >> and i think they will do anything. >> dirty, dishonest, and desperate. >> i fully expect the romney campaign to be endlessly dirty and dishonest. >> romney so uncertain about how to handle this tax issue. >> mitt romney is now admitting that he's paying 15% tax rate. >> it being looks like he's hiding something. >> let's get all the facts out there. if you have tax returns to put out, you know, you should put them out and put them out sooner rather than later. >> this is one of the bigger acts of baloney. >> i think everybody will know that the story is much to do about nothing. >> 2010 tomorrow. >> sarah palin, now, michael, rearing her head in all this. >> gingrich last night got the backing of none other than sarah palin. >> if i had to vote in south carolina, i'd vote for newt. >> i think she has lost a lot of the pull she had. >> we know the mistake in our country four years ago.
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>> i am very pleased, very privileged to introduce to you sarah palin of the great state of alaska. >> that vetting did not take place. >> if you don't run chris christie, romney will be. >> the battle for south carolina between mitt romney and newt gingrich intensified today as new revelations threatened to damage both campaigns. abc news has conducted a recent interview with newt's second wife, marianne gingrich, that is set to air. there are indications that it may run tomorrow. in the 1990s, marianne gingrich told a reporter that she could end her husband's then career with a single interview. we will know whether she can still end her former husband's
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career with a single interview. today, abc news confirmed what david kay johnston theorized last night about mitt romney's tax returns. >> i think we have a reasonable issue here in saying, well, where is your money? is it offshore and how much of it have you not paid taxes on? >> abc news now reports romney has as much as $8 million invested in a cayman islands registry and official documents reviewed by abc news show that bain capital, the private capital partnership that romney once ran, has set up some 138 secretive offshore funds in the caymans. a time poll out today shows a
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gingrich surge taking hold in south carolina. two weeks ago romney led gingrich by 19 points. that lead has been cut to ten points. santorum's support has dropped three points to 16%. ron paul is fourth with 13%. rick perry holds last with only 6%. today, red state founder eric eric son called on rick perry to end his campaign. if rick perry stays in the race, they will be legitimately able to blame rick perry for dragging down either newt or santorum. with newt gingrich surging, according to the latest rasmussen poll and sarah palin saying she would support him, perry's withdrawal and endorsement before saturday could ensure a gingrich win. today the romney campaign
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released two web ads featuring newt's former congressional colleagues. >> i served in the house with newt gingrich. he would make outrageous comments that would blindside us. it's a problem when your own leader is the biggest problem that you're dealing with. >> i served with newt gingrich in congress. newt gingrich had had leadership style only described as chaos. the last time he was head of the republican party of speaker, he became so controversial, he helped re-elect a democratic president. >> newt gingrich shot back at romney as soon as he heard about those ads. >> wait. wait. wait. hold on. you're saying i helped reelect a democrat? that's just stupid. my only question is, so what did mitt romney do? show us how many republicans you helped elect in the '80s and in '92. i mean where, do they get the gall to run this kind of an ad?
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>> gingrich sent this to palin. after she said if she would vote for gingrich. >> i would ask her to consider taking a major role in the next administration if i'm president. but nothing has been discussed of any kind and it wouldn't be appropriate to discuss it at this time. >> in warrenville, south carolina, gingrich offered this prediction of what will happen between now and when the votes are countered saturday night in south carolina. >> i fully expect the romney campaign to be endlessly dirty because they are desperate they thought they should buy this. i think they have internal polls that show them losing and i think they will do anything at
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any level and i need your help. people power will beat money power and i need your help to beat romney. >> joining me now is national affairs editor for new york magazine and msnbc analyst john hileman. john, here's newt gingrich saying that the romney campaign will be unendingly -- what was that? unendingly dirty and dishonest. that's a nice little pull quote for the obama campaign to use in the general election if they have to. >> it certainly is, lawrence, and there have been a lot of them on both sides in the last couple of weeks. you knew that it was going to get like this. it's the nature of south carolina primaries. i was a little surprised at how quiet the weekend was. ever since myrtle beach the fur has been flying.
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it's only going to intensify over the next 72 hours. he has to close what is still a reasonably large gap. so he is going to be fighting pretty hard and mitt romney is clearly on the fence and they are bringing out big guns. >> michael, what is the obama re-election campaign hoping for in south carolina. >> they want a gingrich win. they want to drag this out as long as they can and weaken romney as much as possible. it's still widely assumed within the white house that romney has this wrapped up. so for them the issue is to try to bloody romney, not just among conservatives but among independents raising these issues about bain, his record, him not being who he has been. gingrich has been toeing the line that the obama campaign will be using assuming romney gets the nomination.
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if they can bring this to florida with gingrich maybe getting another 5 or $10 million from his wealthy benefactors, it would be a great situation for the obama campaign. >> there's always this theory in primary rees that this is good stuff, this helps toughen up your nominee. but we've also seen them haunt the nominee, the willy horton iron against michael due caulk kiss was raised by al gore's campaign against michael dukakis and then came back to do damage in the general election campaign. are republicans starting to get the feeling that actually this process is doing more damage than good? >> i think, lawrence, that there's no question that it can cut both ways. the problem for romney is that as michael is indicating, the image that is forming of him --
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and some of it is being brought on by newt gingrich and some of his other rivals and some of it has been conflicted. the guy with the top hat on who is making or not paying taxes at the rate that average americans are paying taxes, who regards $375,000 a year in speaking fees as not very much money, those having nothing to do with being prosecuted by his rivals, it's problems that he's bringing on himself. and i think it doesn't do mitt romney any good to have months of this litigated out and give the obama campaign a lot of things that he himself can be said. not just things that newt gingrich has said but the obama
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for america today released its first television ad. it's called "unprecedented." let's watch this. >> with ad fact checkers they are not tethered to the facts. they call this president's unprecedented and americas clean energy and expanding rapidly for the first time in 13 years, our dependence on foreign oil is below 50%. president obama kept his promise. >> i'm barack obama and i approve this message. >> why do they begin with ethics? >> it's a defensive ad. hearing obama defend attacks that are not there yet. if he thinks he's being attacked, wait until he gets
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them from ohio and wisconsin and the states you mentioned. second, to convince independents that there are good things that happened during the obama administration and this is a real problem that obama has right now. maybe it's getting better. maybe it's not. and they are concerned and they don't believe and the obama campaign is going to have to disqualify the republican nominee, probably mitt romney, and convince americans that they actually have gotten stuff from this president, which is just not something that people have really been feeling over the last six to ten months. >> john, newt gingrich may have trouble sleeping tonight. the word is that one of his former wives have given an interview. in the past she has said that she could end his career with
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one interview and then the ploy tomorrow of releasing his own tax return. >> well, i think it keeps -- i think it keeps the story alive. i think if it's true, as newt gingrich has indicated, that he paid an effective tax rate almost double what mitt romney has been paying, that's going to be good for him in terms of advancing the story. on the marianne gingrich thing, i'm sort of curious, it's not that she's never given interviews before and it's not that she's never given interviews that contain allegations against him, esquire ran an interview a year ago and people said, this is bad but it's not that bad. well, maybe there's new things that she's going to say on television. but if it's only a rehash of
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some of the stuff that she's previously said to the press, i'm not sure that is going to have as negative an impact as some people might suggest or could be the case. >> msnbc political analyst john heilemann and mike kell, thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. who is the real willard m. romney? true two reporters think that they have the answer. they join me. the increasingly bizarre excuses made by the cruise ship captain. more developments in that accident are coming up and a real hollywood murder-mystery that began yesterday here in los angeles with a severed head found in the hollywood hills.
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so i called a buddy of mine at the irs and i said, hey, what's going on with mitt romney? he shot me up a quick fax. or something and said, you're not going to believe what we found in mitt romney's tax return. take a listen. watch. $5,000 in residuals from a 1984 photo shoot he did for a jcpenney circular. this has been surprises in mitt romney's tax return. >> yes, talk about a surprise. [ male announcer ] every day thousands of people are choosing advil®. here's one story. pain doesn't have much of a place in my life.
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i came into massachusetts. we had a $2 billion shortfall. $3 billion shortfall. people wonder can we turn it around? i had that experience. that's what i know how to do. if there's ever been a time the nation needs a real leader who turns things around, it's now. >> that was turn around artist mitt romney today in spartanburg, south carolina. voters are trying to decide who is the real mitt romney. is he the candidate for senate in massachusetts who fully supported women's reproductive rights or is he the presidential candidate who now supports the standard republican opposition to abortion?
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with a list of romney flip-flops too long to recite here, the most important question of the republican primary season has become, who is the real romney? joining me now, our boston globe investigative reporters and co-authors of "the real romney." thank you both for joining me. >> thank you, lawrence. >> i want to read this passage where you talk about his 1994 loss to ted kennedy. you say in the book, it wasn't just the attacks that did romney in. and he knew it. he had failed to make a compelling enough case for himself, failed in crafting a narrative of his character and convictions that could move voters. that seems to be where we are right now in this republican campaign. >> well, i think that's right. remember, he's still got a
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number of months left. i think the assumption, of course, is that he's the nominee. i know that gingrich is somewhat surging in south carolina. but give him time, don't count him out yet. one thing you did learn during that campaign and he admitted it afterwards, he said, look, the one thing that kills me here is that i could never really tell people what i was about, what my message was. and i think you are seeing shades of that. but, remember, this campaign, you know, he does have a message. it's all about the economy. that's where his background is. that's where his expertise is and i think it makes him a strong contender the presidency than he was four years ago. >> but when it comes to running for president, the voter does want at some level to have a very clear feel for the person. it gets beyond issues. you can win campaigns at a state level just based on your issues against the other candidate's issues.
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is he going to be able to deliver a strong and clear impression of who he is himself? >> well, you know, lawrence, that could depend on how people perceive this issue of his time at bain capital and it's been talked about in the campaign but frankly you have romney presenting in the most positive possible way. his opponents extremely negative. it's a long story. it's a 15-year tenure while he was at bain capital. he was putting money into startups and then it's a much more complicated business for most people to understand because they are not startups, they are existing businesses. obviously some jobs created, some jobs lost but it's not the same kind of story as the staples story. so people really take away from that complicated story. yes, he could be great at transferring the skills of private equity management into the white house and he would have a strong case to make. people say, is that the same qualities we want in commander
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in chief, someone who would be looked at to move the country forward through his vision. then he faces more questions in connecting the kind of person he is and his experience to what the average american is feeling. >> is he nervous talking about his family? i was struck when rick santorum gave his speech, his kind of co-victory speech in iowa when they tied in the iowa caucus that night, talking about rick santorum, talking about his grandfather working in the mines and that kind of thing. it's a common thing for candidates to do. barack obama talked about his family history a lot when he was running. and with romney, i wonder if he's just nervous about what is back there just if you go back too many generations, if you go back to his great grandfather where he had five wives and you just get the feeling that there's some nervousness about looking backwards in that family. >> well, you're right. in the book we take an extensive
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look at his family history to give you a sense of where he came from, where the family came from and very briefly what happened was mitt's great grandfather went to mexico where polygamy could be done when it was outlawed in the united states and that continued until mitt's father george who was born there left when he was 5 years old because of the revolution going on in mexico. it's not the story of many, many generations back. it's a story that affects his own father. mitt romney certainly talks a lot about his father, the governor of michigan, ran for president, and failed. he talks about how he idolizes his father and frankly doesn't want to compete with what caused his father the presidency. romney said he had been brainwashed by generals in vietnam. in the book we talk about how his sister says it affected the family and it has made mitt more
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scripted. he doesn't want one line like that to doom his candidacy. >> he actually said the last time he was running for president, and these were his words, i'm quoting, when he ended up talking about his religion to some extent, he said, i can't imagine anything more awful that polygamy. but there's -- in that statement, that's a very strong over-defensiveness about what is his family's history and is it something that he is prepared to discuss if he has to? if we actually get into it at some point, will he -- will it be something that he is practiced and ready for? >> in the last campaign he was asked about that and i think it
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was on 60 minutes that he made that statement when he was asked about it and obviously he's not, his father wasn't, his grandfather wasn't. it was the great grandfather who was and went to mexico to continue it. what's interesting, i went down to mexico to this place where the colony existed and still exists and there's this extraordinary colony and many romneys living there who are cousins of mitt romney. they are very proud of their heritage, because they believe the romney family has a great place in american history and in the history of mexico. >> but i think you're absolutely right, lawrence. that it's fascinating for us to watch in the campaign because so often candidates do talk about their past and their history and where they are from and it's complicated for mitt romney because he doesn't want to turn off evangelical voters and yet it's such a big part of him to not talk about it, takes away a
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big part of what sort of made him and what brought him to where he is today. i think he is going to have to really find a way to talk about that and to open up about it because really you cannot understand mitt romney without understanding where he came from in that mormon heritage. >> boston globe investigative reporters and authors of the instantly important book, "the real romney." thank you both for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up, the captain of the italian cruise ship has a new reason today for why he did not stay on board the costa concordia as it sank. and in the rewrite tonight, someone on another network in primetime drops an "f" bomb tonight. who did it? what family is so modern that even the kids can drop "f" bombs? that's coming up.
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trapped on that ship. special sensors determined the vessel sank 1.5 meters at the bow and one meter at the stern overnight. rescuers fear this could indicate that the ship may break up in the middle, making their mission even riskier and creating a possible environmental disaster with 500,000 gallons of fuel still aboard the vessel. the ship's captain, francesco francesco schettino is rapidly becoming the most hated man. the man who ordered him back on the ship is reaching folk hero status. t-shirts are being printed with his order, which means get back on board, dammit.
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the ship's captain offered yet another new account today about how he found himself on shore while his passengers and crew were still trapped on the ship. the passengers were pouring on to the decks, taking the lifeboats by assault. i didn't even have a life jacket because i had given it to one of the passengers. i was trying to get people to get into the boats in an orderly fashion. suddenly, since the ship was at a 60 to 70-degree angle, i tripped and i ended up in one of the boats. that's how i found myself there. lloyd's list revealed today that according to gps records, the ship sailed a similar course in august of last year when it actually came even closer to the coast and possibly within inches of the rock that destroyed the ship this time. >> must have become perilously
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close. >> joining us now, national daily newspaper in italy. first of all, i want to begin by apologize are for any of my italian pronunciations. but tell us what is happening in italy now with these two characters in the story, the captain versus the coast guard commander who ordered him back on to the ship. >> well, it's as you've said, it's becoming a national drama. first of all, really captain coward, captain schettino is the most hated man in italy. he's a coward but also a multiple serial liar. i trust he will be prosecuted for manslaughter, ship wrecking, and abandoning ship. he's not the only one. others should be prosecuted, too. there were other officers of the
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crew who abandoned the ship and, of course, there is the issue of corporate responsibility. the company, the company probably knew. it's an open secret in italy that those large cruise ship often sail way too close to the coast. even in venice, you know, you can see them sailing so close to the city. it's very dangerous. but the national drama is due to the fact that there is an anti-hero and people probably identify this captain coward with the worst possible drawbacks and limits in national character, selfishness, lack of discipline, lack of organization, but there are heroes, positive heroes, like some members of the crew who really were able to mutiny and they tried to organize
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themselves and there was one of them atop and this happens at the very peculiar moment for italy. possibly when the self-esteem of the italian people has really attained a minimum. so that's why it's becoming a symbol of something larger, much larger story about self-confidence of this nation, only two months ago berlusconi was ousted by government. we now have a very respected prime minister. but he has to rebuild self-confidence for whole nation. >> frederico, thank you very much for joining me tonight.
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>> thank you. coming up, we'll examine the outrage over tonight's episode of "modern family" after a 4-year-old cast member dropped the "f" bomb repeatedly. that's next in the rewrite. and, later, two hikers and their dogs found a severed human head yesterday near the hollywood sign right her in los angeles. the mystery behind that dismembered body. that's coming up. exas if they want "big" savings on car insurance, it's a bit like asking if they want a big hat... ...'scuse me... ...or a big steak... ...or big hair... i think we have our answer. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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ago, a 4-year-old actress dropped the "f" bomb. >> daddy, can i have some ice cream? >> no, you can have some fruit. >> fruit [ bleep ]. >> we have to talk about something. it's about that word that you said this morning. >> what word? >> you know the word that starts with "if". >> flower? >> no. >> fruit? >> maybe we shouldn't remind her. >> oh, you mean [ bleep ]? >> leave the room. >> many viewers were not surprised because "modern family's" co-create for told a group of television reporters and critics last week i'm particularly proud and excited that next week lilly says -- the child actor was going to say the
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f word was was applauded by the press. if i said the "f" word, msnbc would probably have to suspend me for the rest of my life because there is a bubble always 20 years behind the culture it is supposed to cover. after the remark, the delighted approval of media, elites gathered in hollywood it then provoked the predictable firestorm from the people who keep a finger in the dike holding back profanities taking over the english language and the rest of their fingers in children's ears trying to prevent them from hearing the words that all those children will be using by the time they get to high school. headlines like this popped up.
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it is certainly in poor taste the more we see and hear this kind of language on television, the more acceptable and common it will become in the real world. that is, of course, not true. profanity has already become as acceptable and as common as it possibly can. profanity can't get any more acceptable. american profanity has found its natural limit and i'm not allowed to use it. you're not going to hear from president obama at the state of the union dress next week. you are going to hear in pulitzer prize winning plays and every oscar-named movie and you're going to read it in great literature, hear it on subways, in buses, on airplanes and starbucks lines but you're not
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going to hear profanity in all sorts of places where it is considered unacceptable. and profane people like me know exactly when it is acceptable and unacceptable. the profanity that bill mar sprinkles throughout his show is pitch perfect for hbo but when he's a guest on this show, he never uses it. we all have an on/off switch for profanity. that's what realists try to teach their children. they don't try to put them in a bubble. the real parenting responsibility in america is not to try to hide your child from the real language but to prepare your children to hear it and if you so choose to guide your children away from using it, to give them a rationale for not using profanity. "modern family" no doubt got the rating spike it hoped tonight by
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announcing last week that the "f" bomb would go off and don't be surprised if tonight's episode. we tend to award boldness, even fake boldness, which is what we actually have here. abc is still prudish enough network that it has to bleep the "f" word but this time they really didn't have to bleep it at all. the bleep is actually the trick that makes the trick work. lilly has two fathers. it's that kind of show. eric stonestreet tweeted this. lilly didn't actually say f-u. she said fudge. how about see the episode, then form an opinion for fudge sake people.
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and hoping to meet one of the models and the professional dog walkers who walk gangs of dogs owned by hollywood celebrities who never have the time to actually wake their dogs themselves. close on, two dogs at the end of the professional leashes as they nose around a bag at the end of the trail. something suddenly rolls out into the middle of the trail. all of the dogs freeze. the dogs' eyes pop. a severed human head and one of the walkers begins to throw up. so begins one of the hundreds if not thousands of movie scripts being written tonight at this moment in apartments and homes in the hollywood hills steps away from where a human head was actually found yesterday. >> two of the dogs began to play with the bag and what appeared to be an object. while the dogs were playing with it, at some point the object came out of the bag and they
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discovered that it was a head, a severed head. >> los angeles has been trans fixed by this mystery for over 24 hours. this morning a hand was found not far from where the head was found and later today another hand and two feet were found. police believe each of the finds is from the same body. joining me now with the latest on this real hollywood murder-mystery is andrew, crime reporter for the los angeles times. andrew, this is just over the hill from us here in a heavily trafficked area where people in los angeles -- it's a common exercise place. this is -- this has the city in shock, awe, and fear. >> obviously when you have a case like this where you first have this human head appearing and then these other body parts are found by detectives, people are riveted to the stork. who is this? where did it get there, why?
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that's what los angeles police detectives have been spending the day trying to find out. >> where do they think they are going with this? >> they have divided it up into different things. they go out to the neighborhood and try to find witnesses, whether it's hikers or neighbors that have heard anything or seen anything looking back. >> a lot of human traffic in this area. not at night, though. it's not a place where people go at night. >> right. but then the question becomes, did this person who would have discarded these body parts, were they careless and reckless and somebody would say if you were doing that, they didn't do a very good job of disposing of the body given all these parts that are now appearing and that's key because what is going to happen is the coroner now has dental records, fingerprints, footprints, they are going to take back and start to find out who is this person, who are their relatives, and then the mystery will start to unfold. >> is it likely that the dismemberment would have occurred on the trail?
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>> they are saying at this point there is no kind of -- it didn't seem to happen -- >> it could have happened anywhere. we just know that the body parts were dumped here? >> that's right. they are saying it happened likely within the last 48 hours but somewhere else and it was taken there to be discarded. >> a lot of coyotes up there especially at night. this kind of material would not survive for long up there. >> right. and it could be moved around and that's one of the things that police said. just because those items were found, body parts, they could have been moved by these animals anywhere. so that's one of the things that they are trying to figure out, where's the place that all of these things might have been collected. >> and this is a place where all sorts of people go. you are likely to see a lot of actors and actresses out there with their own dogs, the ones not using professional sunglasses. >> with the big sunglasses and capped pull down over their head. >> yeah. >> absolutely.
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