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msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons, into a world of chaos. now the scenes you've never seen "lockup raw." to their victims, they were the epitome of terror. >> i throw my hooks and snap his neck. you feel it right against here. pow! >> the face of their nightmares. >> he was crying, begging for me to stop.
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>> tried to cut his head off. >> they have robbed, murdered and kidnapped. >> i used to kidnap college kids and hold them for ransom. >> when they told the jury all rise, i saw that was my opportunity and i stabbed him in the chest. >> now five of the most notorious inmates to ever appear on "lockup" reveal startling insights into their shocking brand of predatory behavior. >> i enjoy hurting people. at the top of every "lockup" episode we run a warning for viewers about the subject matter. that warning is extremely relevant to what we're about to show you. we put together a collection of some of the most disturbing and dangerous inmates in "lockup" history. viewer discretion is definitely advised. >> inside america's maximum security prisons, there's an assortment of predators. the interviews our producers conduct with such inmates are always graphic and often
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revealing. we heard three of the most shocking stories of predatory behavior at the same prison, california state prison, corcoran. when we interviewed these men, our crew was required to wear stab-proof vests. one of the corcoran inmates we sat down with was christian knight. and nobody describes the daily pressures, the ups and downs of being a predator, like he does. >> it's seductive you can love the game but the game loves nobody. know what i mean? so you can sit there, give it your all, and think that everyone's supporting you, and before you know it, just like that. you're getting your throat cut. i've seen it, done it. >> knight was serving time for murder and attempted murder. crimes he committed at the los angeles county jail while awaiting trial on an outside murder-robbery charge that he was convinced would send him to prison for life. but when he went on trial for
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that original murder charge, something completely unexpected happened. >> they find me not guilty. and it it righteously blew my mind. i laughed. the irony was classic. >> knight should have walked away as a free man. instead, he remained incarcerated until he was tried for his jailhouse murder. this time he was found grill the and given 79 years in prison. but that murder was no random killing or crime of passion. assuming he was headed toward a life in prison anyway, he killed out of ambition, to join an organization he had admired since childhood, the mexican mafia. >> so when you're a kid, you want to shoot for the stars. i want to be that. i want to be that guy. out on the streets someone may want to be a ceo of a well-known company, to be their own boss. you're back here, it's still power. and because of the power behind
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them. that meaning the mexican mafia. >> christian knight was probably one of the most engaging inmates i've ever encountered doing "lockup." he was very articulate, very well-read, very well-spoken and quite proud of his career as a criminal. >> i gave my a game. i would do it to the extreme violence-wise, selling dope-wise. >> in the lockup extended stay episode in which knight originally appeared, he gave shocking details of what he meant by extreme violence in describing his l.a. county jail murder. we warn you, the following is very graphic. >> and i walk up to him, hook his leg, go over a bare naked choke hold, bring him down. i throw in my hooks and choke him out. and snap his neck. when his neck snapped you feel it right against here pop, snap. and i pulled out my piece, stabbed him in the neck, let him have it in the chest. and he started making noises.
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and i pulled out a pipe and i bashed his head in until a piece of his skull came out. so the blood was -- i mean, it was everywhere. it was like this thick. >> sitting there listening to him relay these very graphic, violent, brutal acts, i have to remain somewhat detached to keep him talking. and it was almost like he was just discussing another day at the office. >> so by this time we were hungry. so -- this is kind of funky but it is what it is. my tray, what we usually stack up trays and put a bomb. a piece of blanket, rip off a strip and you light it and it gives you a good blue flame. i just took the bomb, lit it and set it on top of his body and just cooked grilled cheese sandwiches, used his body as a
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stand. so when we're eating, that's where this rumor throughout the state of california, yeah, they were burning this food. they never found his eyeballs. they're like, yeah, they ate his eyeballs in some type of weird as ritual. i got righteously out of proportion. >> where were his eyeballs? >> one eyeball. we don't know. we have no clue. >> as a made man in the mexican mafia, knight strove to become a well-rounded leader of the organization when he arrived in prison. >> as far as being able to just put holes in people, anyone can do that. now, to educate yourself, now, that's where you want to go. >> he studied the art of war from some historic practitioners. >> you got some way-out cats. they were cool. but you'd pick up game, righteous game. i'm an avid reader and student of ancient japanese philosophy. i love it. the whole warrior culture.
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napoleon, the 40 miles of power. bushido code. go all the way down as far as all different cultures, they're all war manuals and philosophies. so i mean, studying, that's what i mean by studying. >> to become a better -- >> warrior, yeah. to be a -- whatever you want to call them. but to be better at my job, which would be i guess you could say a prison criminal. >> knight's education would come in handy when a power shift in his gang put him on the wrong side of the new regime. and the predator had become prey. >> now i find out i'm on the list. that's a death sentence. my heart broke, i'm going to be honest with you. i was like you got to be [ expletive ] me. spotless career and i'm on the
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list? they put you in the hat. i'm not going nowhere. stubborn. you know what i mean? so it was on. and he'll be honest with you, if i sat here and tell you that i wasn't scared, hey, terrified. however, that's basically what defines a man. how he confronts his fears. i'm hitting them face on. i got hit, sliced. it was two but it healed better. sliced my throat. man, they thought i was going to slip. went down in my cell, cleaned it up. coffee. packed it full of coffee. that helps the -- and went ahead and didn't go to the doctors because they would have took me off the tier. took me 28 days later, the individual that did it, i got him from the back throat to his throat. he was gone. >> after nine years, knight made a shocking career move. he retired. through a process called debriefing, he shared his gang
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secrets with authorities and was transferred to the prison's protective custody program. knight will most likely spend the rest of his prison term in protective custody, knowing he will always have a target on his back. so now, the once dedicated warrior tries to focus his energy on spirituality. >> that's one thing that i struggle with now. i understand the hypocrisy of my words speaking to you right now. because i don't know if you believe all this or you know it's wrong. yeah, hey, i got some atonement i guess you'd say to make up for it. things are looking rough i say i do believe in after life. >> would you kill someone today? >> oh, yeah. yeah. sure. >> but you don't even hesitate, christian. >> do you want me to lie? and pretend? you know what i mean? yeah. yeah. >> next on "lockup raw." >> i slashed his throat repeatedly. blood was everywhere. >> a predator targets his cell mates. >> i liked that. that was one of my favorite ones back there. lion things to pick up each month
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it surprises me at times, hearing some of these inmates' accounts of their extreme violent behavior. i'm often curious as to why or how they became this way. but i also think it's part of the human condition. and i think it's important that people understand that. part of it i think is created at birth, but also a big part of it is how one survives in prison. more often than not, a lot of these stories of violence have occurred in the prison setting in order to survive in such a violent world, most of these people feel they have to be violent. >> in 1992, robert glen was sentenced to three years for auto theft. when we met him 15 years later at california state prison corcoran, he was still in prison. and two of his former cell mates were six feet under. glen murdered the first one while he was still in county
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jail. >> i slashed his throat repeatedly. blood was everywhere. and then another inmate passed me a shank. probably about that long. with a handle on it. i just started stabbing him. stabbed him over 100 times in the back, sides, the neck. he was crying, telling me to stop, begging for me to stop. he was still alive through all of it. i liked that. that was one of my favorite ones right there. >> he surprised me in that he had a gleefulness about him as he was discussing the violence he had committed in prison. he had this proud little smile as he was telling us these very disturbing and violent acts. >> after murdering his cell mate in jail, glen came to prison where his predatory behavior
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escalated. >> while i was there for about a year i got about 14 assault on inmates. >> why? >> i was a young kid, 20 years old. >> just beating people up, right? >> beating people up for the slightest infraction. a lot of my violence i've had is like people don't clean up after themselves and they don't wipe the sink out after they use it. or they pass gas right next to me. they don't go to the door. just little courtesies that being in a cell situation that you have to have. and you know, little things like that just piss me off. once i'm pissed off that's it. i beat the hell out of you. that's how prison is. it makes you violent. what else can we do right here but have fun, you know? i know it's kind of twisted to say it, but i enjoy it. >> you enjoy what? >> i enjoy hurting people. >> glen killed his second cell mate in 2005 while at another california state prison. he told us he did so because the
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celly was a child molester. >> i went and told the c.o. to move me. she told me to deal with it. so a couple days later i dealt with it. waited one night. i picked a fight with him. i told him to turn his tv off and go to sleep. and he didn't like that too much. so i got up out of my bunk to turn his tv off. he got up. once he stood up i put him in a little choke hold and choked him out. killed him. shoved his head into the concrete while i was doing it. i was kind of upset that i told that c.o. that i wanted that cell move. and she told me to deal with it. so i wanted to give her a little present. i tried to cut his head off. because my whole plan was the next morning when she came by to open the doors for chow i was going to toss her my celly's head. >> contrary to glen's claims, his cell mate was not convicted of a sex crime but of robbery.
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detectives investigating the murder say glen did it in order to coerce the prison into letting him cell by himself. >> after we did the interview with robert glen, we went back to his cell. and he freely demonstrated what it was like when he was committing his crime. and he actually demonstrated with the string how he attempted to decapitate his victim. >> my fish line. what i do is i make a little slip knot at either end. something like that. the string has to be a lot stronger. because you don't want them getting out of it. a little piece of sock. like that. that's good to go. >> glen is currently serving 98 years for the two murders he committed behind bars. but he left us with the impression that his predatory behavior may have extended beyond just these two. >> how many people have you killed? >> i've been convicted of two.
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i won't talk about anything i haven't been convicted of. >> why is that? >> i haven't been convicted of them yet. i don't want to talk about any crimes that i've done, because right now i have a life sentence. so i'm here. if i am convicted of any more crimes are going to give meet death penalty. that's not really -- i don't really want the death penalty at this moment in my life. eventually, later on in life, who knows? coming up. >> i used to kidnap people and hold them for ransom. >> a parent's worst nightmare. >> we got the college kids out there, you know they got money. ♪ made sure his credit score did not go bad ♪ ♪ with a free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ app that he had ♪ downloaded it in the himalayas ♪ ♪ while meditating like a true playa ♪ ♪ now when he's surfing down in chile'a ♪ ♪ he can see when his score is in danger ♪ ♪ if you're a mobile type on the go ♪
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people. and they'll have holes in them and i'll be gone, you know? like a ghost. >> when i first saw robert galvan, he carried himself in this very tough way. kind of walked like a wrestler, covered in tattoos. odd kind of hair style. shaved his head and then had this little flap of long hair in the back. and very much cultivated this tough demeanor. >> tell me about that. >> be considered like a tail. bulldog tail. it's also called an amomongolia. there's warriors and there's gangsters. we don't have to be told what to do. a warrior knows what to do. >> galvan made it clear knowing that what to do inside corcoran meant stabbing his enemies. >> i was on the yard and i stabbed a white guy like 17 times or whatever. from there they took me to adsag. and yeah, i stabbed another
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white guy. and that's what got me here. >> his violent way in prison landed him in the shoe, a 23-hour-a-day lockdown, reserved for only the most dangerous inmates. but galvan told us his predatory ways began on the streets of fresno. >> i used to kidnap people and hold them for ransom. like you know you got the college kids out there. you know they got money. they're in college. so you just take one of them by force. just grab them by the neck and put them in the car. have them call their parents and have them wire money to an account. that's about it. after that you let them go if they put the money in the bank. >> if they don't? >> that's a different story, you know? >> so how does that story end?
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>> bad. >> how bad? >> i'm in here for kidnap ransom murder. that kind of bad, you know? >> galvan's last kidnapping ended beyond bad. even before it got to the ransom stage, one of his victims managed to call his parents and give his location. >> when i was in the car with these two kids, they weren't kids. they were over 18. i don't mess with kids under 18. they called their parents. and the cops ended up following us. and the helicopters. so it ended kind of bad. that's how i got caught. >> what happened? >> well, i cut the guy's neck. and the cops surrounded the car. and pulled me out. you know what i mean?
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>> and he died? >> yeah. >> ironically, robert galvan is both a predator and a parent. he has four kids, ranging from 8 to 16 years old. >> i let them know about the mistakes i've made so they don't repeat them, so they don't end up in here. i do what i can for them money-wise. send them money and put it in the bank. hopefully college, you know? that's what i want. i want them to accomplish things that i wish i had. i want my sons to be a better person than me, you know? >> how are you sending them money? >> i can't tell you that. >> galvan also asserts that
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supporting his family motivated his crimes on the outside. >> i've robbed every pizza place in fresno, practically, just for money for like christmas. but i've never did wrong on the streets just out of spite, just to hurt people. i've never done that. i've done it for money. everything i've done out there was for money. >> i'm going to beg to to differ. the man, the homicide that put you in here? you knew you weren't going to be getting money at that. you knew you were caught. >> yeah. >> is that right? why did you kill him? >> that right there, i mean, i had no reason to do that. i guess i'm just a bad guy.
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>> it disturbed me. he on one hand was talking about his own children and how much he loved them and how much he wanted to provide for them but couldn't make the connection that he had killed some other people's child. and just didn't seem to be able to relate the two accounts. and it was important for me to try to get him to see that connection. >> it's in everybody's nature to protect their young. that's just like the animal kingdom. you know, the lion ain't going to let their kids get hurt. >> robert, how old was the man you killed? >> huh? >> how old was the man you killed? the kid you killed on the street? >> which one? >> the one that put you in prison. >> oh. he was about in his 20s, early 20s. >> that's young. >> yeah. >> that was somebody's child. >> exactly, yeah. >> you guys don't make a lot of
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sense sometimes, do you? >> yeah. i know some of the things we do don't make sense. a lot of people do things for nothing. just to try to get noticed. to try to become somebody. that guy right there, he's strong, you know, he'll beat you up or he'll stab you. just to get a name. >> and then you're the boss. >> yeah. unfortunately things happen and there's no way for me to get out and this is me. i'm going to die in here. >> next on "lockup raw." >> i come from a nice family, a good family compared to a lot of the families i hear about in here. >> an inmate who grew up on the right side of the tracks commits a shocking crime in front of dozens of witnesses. we were in denial. that's right. [ laughter ] we like our freedoms, but at the same time
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accidentally starting a massive brush fire in reno, nevada. firefighters have been working to hold the line against the blaze. 29 homes have been destroyed, thousands have been evacuated. and rescue workers in italy had to suspend their underwater work on the shipwreck kosta concordia today. the ship moved again in choppy waters raising fears about the stability of the vessel. i'm veronica dela cruz, now back to "lockup." most of the violent inmates that fill up our prisons across america have had a difficult childhood. they've either been born on the wrong side of the tracks or they've had abusive, uncaring families. but we found an inmate inside the penitentiary of new mexico who grew up with all of life's
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advantages and yet still became a violent predator. >> i come from a nice family, a good family compared to a lot of the families i hear about in here. my dad's a retired naval officer. retired from the navy then joined the national guard. retired from the national guard then started going to the county for a job. he retired as the county jail administrator. my mom, she's a secretary. she's very educated, very knowledgeable about things. she quit her job to stay at home with me so that i would have someone there for when i got home from school do, my homework, make sure do i what i had to do. >> but that didn't keep steele out of trouble. >> i never had to face consequences so i guess i figured pretty much i was untouchable. and i rebelled against them being so straight. and i went crooked bad. >> steele's rebellion culminated in a 60-year sentence for residential burglaries, armed robbery and fall imprisonment. >> i was robbing the house boom. someone came home, i put the gun
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to their face told them shut up, sit on the couch. finished robbing the couch and left and that was it. >> we had numerous off-camera conversations. but everything switched when it became an on-camera interview. there's a convict code that many of these guys have to live by. and part of that code is to not reveal too much information. the most challenging part of interviewing alejandro steele was when i started asking him about his most visible crime. >> that crime occurred while steele was serving his original sentence and got him an additional 23 years. it was an assault that he carried out literally in front of a jury of his peers. >> i saw basically the whites of his eyes. and i saw him coming at me. i didn't see his hands. but he moved relatively quickly on me. and i feel -- i feel a punch in my chest. >> in 2001, steele was in court acting as his own attorney for allegedly throwing urine on a
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correctional officer. during a lunch break steele extracted a plastic shank from his anal cavity. when he returned to the courtroom he attacked chief deputy district attorney a.j. salazar. >> i remember i was wearing a white shirt. my tie was off to the side. and i looked and there was a hole in my shirt and i was bleeding. >> the stab wound itself was not considered serious. the bigger problem was the risk of infection. >> i went to the hospital. i was at the emergency room. i went through a series of shots. they cleaned out the wound. it took several blood tests. and i remember picking up the blood result. and i looked and looked for hiv. hepatitis negative, h hiv negative. so i was like, well, all right, i'll go ahead and take that. >> we asked steele for his version of the story. and in spite of all the witnesses, he claimed absolute innocence. >> they're saying i stabbed him in court in front of judge, jury and executioner. >> what are you saying?
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>> i'm saying i had nothing to do with it. >> were you there? >> nope. >> really? >> how many different ways you want me to answer that same question? >> so you're denying this whole thing ever took place? >> i'm denying i had anything to do with it. >> was this d.a. stabbed? >> according to court documents and papers. >> what was the evidence against you? >> that i was in the courtroom, that eyewitnesses from the jury, the transport officers, my own lawyer and the witnesses in the case all pointed the finger at me and said i did it. >> and you're saying? >> i had nothing to do with it. >> you weren't -- where were you? >> i was in my cell. >> alejandro, how on earth do you really say that? how? in all honesty, you're a smart
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guy. how do you really do that? you physically know where you were. everybody saw where you were, right? >> no. i had nothing to do with it. >> what do you admit to? >> i admit to being prisoner number 50857. and i admit to my mistakes i made to come to prison. >> steele was convicted of attempted murder in the assault on salazar. he was also found guilty of the charge that brought him to court that day, throwing urine on a correctional officer. and it wasn't the first time he had assaulted an officer. >> allegedly they say i've slipped my cuffs. and when they opened my door i just started swinging. and i made the c.o. jump off the tier and run out of the pod. left me on the chair by myself, went back to my cell. and that was that. >> why the assault on staff? >> about 90% of the staff they
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get working here are the people who got picked on in school. they come over here, and now it's payback time. they think that badge gives them power. that badge is only an illusion of power. that power can be stripped and taken away in a moment's notice. >> and you help them see? >> no. allegedly. >> yes. all all hejandro was playing a and mouse game. part because he was delighted to be out of the cell and have this exchange and kind of get people going. >> but eventually, steele came clean ant the attack on the d.a. >> a couple months before, a month before i knew he was the one that was going to -- when they told the jury all rise, i saw that that was my opportunity. and i stabbed him in the chest. >> steele's candor was
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short-lived. >> but in terms of what you did, what was your goal? your act? honestly? you're not going anywhere. >> stop him from breathing. >> so you were going to kill hi him. coming up. >> when i got incarcerated i declared war on the state of indiana. they gave me this excessive sentence as a result of my crime. well, i'm giving you excessive violence as a result of my anger. so i decided to just rage. wher, we just eat whatever tastes good? like these sweet honey clusters... actually there's a half a day's worth of fiber in every ... why stop at cereal? bring on the pork chops and the hot fudge. fantastic. are you done sweetie? yea [ male announcer ] fiber beyond recognition. fiber one. hey, i love your cereal there-- it's got that sweet honey taste. but no way it's 80 calories, right? no way. lady, i just drive the truck.
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msnbc with this camcorder in my hand in a night cell doing night vision, recording and talking to you guys, man. i wasn't expecting any of that. but it's how life is. life is full of surprises. and life is full of change. i love changes, you know, unexpected changes. >> unexpected changes would come to describe our relationship with darren bailey. an inmate we met at indiana state prison. he was one of a handful of inmates allowed to use a personal camera supplied by our crew to record intimate thoughts in the privacy of his cell. he even shared some thoughts about the crew themselves. >> we got susan, you got alex in wonderland and all those other guys, man. i don't know their names, right? but they're just so cool, man. these dudes are cool. and they're all from california, man. can you believe that? >> when we first started working
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with darren bailey we had heard that he had this very violent past, that he was not only violent on the streets, but once he got into prison had a very erratic and impulsive and violent knife. so when we encountered him he was already in a process of going through therapy and trying to make himself a better inmate. >> i have never given myself a chance. and because i'm giving myself a chance to do better for myself, i have a supporting cast that are saying, yeah, we believe in you. yeah, he's showing progress. yeah, he's no longer the person that has held him hostage for years. >> but when it came to talking about the convictions that earned him a 147-year prison term, crimes which include two murders, battery, and criminal confinement, bailey was only open to a point. >> oh, man, it was kind of gruesome, man. bodies all found and everything like that. but it's area, man, it's not
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easy to walk through, man. we're not having a typical conversation now. now we're dealing with something more personal. it touches me in different ways because the people that were getting executed, you know, it was not something that i really deal with like that anymore. i guess i try to move on. i'm still haunted by that past. >> darren bailey was an inmate that i remained constantly vigilant around. his moods would shift instantaneously during a conversation. he could go from sweet, even flirtatious, to rage-filled and defensive in a heartbeat. >> was there a personal relationship? >> no, nothing like that. it was just that a situation that i'm not -- i can't just give you all this, man. you're not under the gun like i am. this is an interview to you. it's not an interview to me. i have to be meticulous in my thought process of what i expose about my case because my case is still under scrutiny. >> that's right. i'm just curious. >> you keep saying that's fine.
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>> i wonder what the state said was the reason. there's not a jury in the world that's going to not feel there wasn't a reason for murder. i'm curious what the state said was your reason. >> the state said the reason why i killed these people because i'm trigger happy. the state said the reason i killed these people i have absolutely no control over my violent behavior. the state said i killed these people because this is the nature of who i am. >> bailey did nothing to dispel that notion when he arrived in prison. >> when i got incarcerated i declared war on the state of indiana. they gave me this excessive sentence as a result of my crime. well, i'm giving you excessive violence as a result of my anger. so i decided to just rage. >> bailey had only recently been released from indiana's segregation unit where he had spent five months for violent acts committed in prison. now he was finding new ways to quell his impulsive behavior, including meditation. >> the truth is man's greatest challenge is to conquer himself.
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so i'm working on con kerg myself right now. i don't want to deal with the violence. because the violence has been dealing with me for way too long. >> let the tension out your legs, your arms, your hands, everywhere. just relax. main things is to stay relaxed. >> i sought mental health. mental health didn't come to me. i went to them. and i told them that i would like some help. i would like for you guy toss talk to me and provide some type of program that i can gradually work my way through this step-by-step. >> after several months of clear conduct, bailey was accepted into the residential treatment unit or rtu for ongoing counselling. the prison' lead psychologist, dr. reggie matteas, felt he was ready to do something few predators are capable of, changing their ways. >> he wanted to try to figure out a different way to do his time in prison. and so he talked with me while he was up on the segregation unit. and he said, i really want a chance at the rtu unit. i want to start making some
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changes in my life. we're pretty particular about who we take in. the bottom line on this unit was that there can be no violence. >> i think this unit is what i've been waiting for, man, and i'm ready for. because now that my system is beginning to settle, this will be the best time to capitalize off this moment. >> remember you're trying to change your path, right? you've been going down a certain road for many years. and you're trying to walk a different road. do your time a little differently than you have in the last, what, eight, nine years? >> yeah. >> you're going to be one of our stars. >> that's right. >> i know that. i know that. okay? >> i can come up here and i can get myself together so i won't have to relapse back into a condition that forebids me from being this free again. so i come out here and i play basketball by myself maybe about a half hour to an hour, as long as it takes me to vent that
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frustration, vent that rage, just push it all out. >> on his personal inmate camera, bailey also indicated that he enjoyed interacting with our crew. >> susan. she's very, very nice. and she's kind of like -- she's cool, really a cool person to get along with. kind of persistent and relentless. but at the same time, she's a nice person. so she asked me to do this for her. so you can't say no to a lady, especially a lady like her. >> how would you define yourself? >> cordial, affable, charming, easy to get along with. but there's a side to all of us, you know, that when we don't want to be bothered, when our tolerance becomes zero. >> that's the one thing about darren was, one day he would be completely energetic and just all off the wall, all over the
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place. and very hard to contain. then another day he would be very standoffish and really wouldn't want to talk much or would get very upset out of nowhere. so with him, you never knew how you'd have to adjust. >> coming out. come on. it's all right. we got to got to talk. >> you were fine yesterday. >> 24 hours has passed since. interview your cameraman sometime. >> i'll talk to you. to hell with the camera. >> what's the problem? you were all right last time. >> but you know how i get, you know how i get. >> darren, as i told you, i said i'm following him today. not just here, we are going other places. >> i am down with that. but i'm not [bleep] with that
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during our extended stay at indiana state prison, darren bailey, an inmate with a violent past seemed determined to start a new life, asked prison officials for a fresh start in a program designed to help troubled inmates. >> we were pretty much wrapped up with darren bailey's story. he was succeeding in rtu, we started to film other inmates in other parts of the prison, then we got word, realized we were far from over with darren. >> bailey had been accused of a brutally violent assault on another inmate. >> well, what i know is that he sort of sneak attacked this guy, came up behind him, and hit him with a mop ringer.
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apparently he stabbed him with something, he has a puncture wound on his shoulder, wasn't sure how that really happened. he also has a very big bruise on his neck where apparently mr. bailey stomped his head. he hit the offender with the mop bucket. he fell down, then his head was on the bucket, and then according to the offender, he thinks that mr. bailey stepped on his head, while his head was on the bucket. >> we spotted bailey on his way back to the prison segregation unit. >> that ain't run professionally. i am about to change the format. >> a few days later bailey told us prison officials had the wrong man. >> guy got hurt pretty bad and they figured that because of my history and reputation and my
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presence there i was involved. i wasn't involved. they snatched me because of my reputation. >> bailey claimed he was not only innocent of the assault but had actually tried to help the victim. >> first thing i do was say hey, you guys, this guy is in here, laying on the floor, unconscious, spitting up blood and his body is shaking. need some paramedics up here. i did that, and as a result, this is the thanks i get because of my reputation being he's this monster, when the violence is unleashed. that's not right. i didn't do that. >> our crew later joined the doctor in the first meeting with bailey following the assault. >> mr. bailey. >> what's up, man. >> nothing much. took me about a week to gather my thoughts before i could come back and see you. >> but you already did everything else, kicked me out of the program, threw me under the bus, i don't bother with him, he is a failure to the
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program. you just [bleep] kicked me out of the program. >> i can keep you in the program when you almost killed a guy? >> it was a scratch. the other ones was up there fighting, didn't get castaway. >> that's the most brutal assaultive seen there in two years. >> are you saying i did that? >> you and i know you did it. whatever made you -- >> apt putting words in my mouth. >> whatever they do with you, that's up to them. you're not going back on that unit. >> i am not trying to get on that unit. my objective was reached. >> that's the thing that pisses me off. >> what's that? >> you had this planned all along. >> that's what i -- how that benefit me? listen, my reputation precedes me. you know why, i am going to bring that today, i didn't do that. i didn't do that. >> we heard off camera from various inmates present during the assault what happened.
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nobody would go on camera, though, and discuss it, because then they would be labeled a snitch, and i was privy to the photographs of darren's victim. and it probably was the worst assault i had ever seen. i was shocked that man lived. >> someday, you know, someday we'll talk about this and it will make sense to both of us. right now, it just doesn't fit all together. but that's okay. take care of yourself. >> you too. oh, man. i didn't think it was going to get that heated, man, i almost went there. >> later w the personal camera, our producer let him use, bailey told a different story. >> things are a little different with me now. i'm no longer on that unit as a result of my excessive behavior you want to call it. i dropped the ball. i don't like it. i disappointed myself and i disappointed my support.
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i have a lot of people in my corner, but because i am somewhat relapsed, if that's what you want to call it, they're kind of playing with me now, and they have every right to be, because these people gave me something that no one has given me during the course of my incarceration, which was the simple chance. >> indiana was the first prison to allow inmates to use these personal cameras that we left them. and it turned out that the inmates would actually reveal a lot more intimate details using personal cameras than they would when we were present. and in darren's case, he pretty much admitted to committing this assault. >> susie just popped up, and she wants her property back. see, i told you it was borrowed time, man. so ha-ha. so it was nice doing this for susan and company. so i have to return to where i started from, the blackout. so you guys have a
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