that is "hardball" thank you for being a good week for the president. the "the ed show" starts right now. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. president obama is destroying republican lies about his record. polls are showing americans across are country are not buying the spin from the righties. this is "the ed show," let's get to work. i have always voted for a republican any time there was a republican on the ballot. >> romney said he's always voted republican when he had the opportunity. >> republicans are attacking each other in florida. the president is attacking unemployment in michigan. >> if there is anybody in america who can teach us how to bring back manufacturing, it is the great state of michigan. >> tonight, congressman tim ryan on the strong new numbers for america's recovery. jonathan cohn of the new republic on the message the president needs to send. >> if we can't trust what mitt

romney says about his own record, how can we trust him on anything? >> mitt romney is basically lying his way to the nomination. and now, newt gingrich is calling him on the carpet. we'll have the latest. i'm doing fine, they are definitely doing fine. >> the koch brothersare buying influence at major universities. >> a school i take pride in and believe in has effectively sold its soul to the koch brothers. >> robert greenwald has a new video. good to have you with us. thanks for watching. president obama how else do you put it, on the offensive. making the turn with more good news on the economy today. he is starting to take the credit that he deserves. here is the president in ann arbor, michigan today. >> the american auto industry was on the verge of collapse. and some politicians were willing to let it die.

i believe in american ingenuity, we placed our bets on the american auto industry and today, the american auto industry is back, jobs are coming back! 160,000 jobs. >> you can't say it enough, mr. president. more jobs are on the way. here are the numbers, the american automobile industry is expected to grow 41% from 2010 to 2015. according to industry forecasts. general motors, ford, chrysler, they all plan to add more jobs here in the united states. that's the good news. other car manufacturers are also hiring. >> listen up, lefties, this is one success story that has to be told over and over again, it's what we have been waiting for. when president obama saved the automobile industry with the help of the democrats three years ago, republicans were no where to be found. they were screaming bloody murder, the auto loans were not

popular, a bail out, we can't do it. mitt romney, for the record, said let them go bankrupt. well, the economy has a long way to go, we know that but we're on the right track and the president told the democratic caucus this today in maryland. >> we are moving in the right direction. thanks to your efforts. thanks to some tough votes that all of you took, we righted the ship. we did not tip in a great depression. the auto industry was saved. credit started flowing to small businesses again. and over the last 22 months, we have seen three million jobs created the most jobs last year since 2005, more jobs in manufacturing that we've seen since the 90s. >> all positive news. new numbers show the economy grew last quarter more than the previous three quarters of the

entire year. take a look at this chart. the blue bars are the obama presidency. you can see growth as the stimulus takes effect. there is a slowing period, but then the economy starts picking up steam again. president obama is trying to build on the economic recovery with a positive message. everything you just heard right there is fact. spot-on. this is what he has delivered. mitt romney and gingrich are doing everything they can to take him down and destroy each other in the process and the polls are showing it. the halatest polls shows presidt beating romney. in a match up against newt gingrich it's not close. the spread is really big. president obama at 15%, gingrich at 37%. i like those numbers. that is because the facts are on the side of the president. when president obama joined the democratic caucus today, he

thanked them. he didn't do it by himself. he said that he would stand with them moving forward. >> i believe in you guys. you guys have had my back through some very tough times. and i'll have your back as well and together we're going to move this country forward, god bless you. >> this isn't just about rallying the troops in the democratic caucus, it's about substance. when i spoke to nancy pelosi yesterday i asked her about american manufacturing. >> finally, made in america, how essential that is to the democratic message in 2012? >> very essential. make it in america is our democratic what mr. hoyer said it has two meanings, make it in america so people can make it in america. we have to stop the erosion of manufacturing industrial, technological base. it's essential -- we want to be

self reliant. >> we're at a very interesting point in this entire recovery. if you look at where we have been from 2009 when president obama took office, they lost hundreds of thousands of jobs in late 2008, that continued early in 2009, and the president talked about that in the state of the union address the other night. if you look at the big picture, what has happened, the stimulus package, the slow growth, the way we added jobs back now we're at a juncture to take on a theme for the country. i want to see the republicans come out and join hands with the democrats and say you know what? this make it in america is what america is all about. we're going to help you. we're going to help you bring back manufacturing to this country. we're going to help the entrepreneurs. that's where the republicans should be. could they at least embrace make it in america? or is that not good, either? could they pass some legislation with the democrats that would

help the manufacturing sector? or does it have to be another sell-out for tax cuts for the rich? does it have to be more what they call reforms to medicare and medicaid and social security? forget all that. do something for the manufacturers, the people that want to build things in this country. it will take infrastructure, obviously, and education but i'm talking about the business guy out there. i want to see the republicans come forward and just make a generic statement that we are with the democrats on make it in america. don't hold your breath. they are not going to do that, either. get your cell phones out we want to know what you think. tonight's question, do you feel president obama is starting to get on a roll? text a yes, b for no to 622639. go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. bring you results later in the program. joining me tonight, congressman tim ryan of ohio is with us. also jonathan cohn who is the

senior editor at "new republic." gentlemen, great to have you with us. congressman you first. the president said he's got your back. i want to know what do you think of that as an elected official in the democratic caucus and this has been tough times over the last few years, when the president steps up and says "i got your back "kwhwhat does tha mean to you, congressman? >> i think it means he will be out talking about when he hit out a home run of the state of the union on tuesday. that means we will get back to bread and butter politics and policies in the united states. making things in the united states of america, and he is starting to brag about the successes that he has had and getting our back is him talking about the successes that he has had. the auto industry here in ohio and michigan has been a savior, t toledo, lorraine, thousands of jobs saved, when you look at the ripple effect, too, from the

auto in duindustry, when you th for every manufacturing job there is seven to eight spin-off jobs you're going down to the supply chain and hitting the small business person that you mentioned. so him getting our back means he's out there vigously talking about what he did with the auto industry and brown did with the industry and democrats did with it but the chinese tariffs he put on steel tubing, because he had the courage to do that, we have almost a billion dollar investment in the steel plants o outside yungstown ohio. because of the policies of president obama. when mitt romney comes in here and mitt romney or newt gingrich come in the town and they talk about their ideoology, not the

pragmatism of president obama they will get beat. >> he has been aggressive and positive here, not even paying attention to the detractors, i feel like he made a turn here, what do you think? >> i think so, too. >> jonathan, go ahead. >> okay. i think actually we started to see this after august, after the debt ceiling deal, when he came out in september with that jobs plan, and then in that speech in kansas and now with the state of the union, now with the trip across the country and coming here today to michigan, i think there is a sense that he's got a winning theme and it is pro pro promoting the middle class. we'll give you the pensions, health care, what you need to get by, you guys go and you make it happen, you make it work.

it's a good story, a story that he can point to with success and it's a contrast with the republicans. >> he's got a number to back it up. he has definite information to back up what he has done, he's got a record of growth no doubt and of course mitt romney is out there saying that he doesn't know anything about the economy, on the other hand you've got newt gingrich saying that he's the food stamp president. president obama answered gingrich's charge to that food stamp president in an interview with abc. here it is. >> first of all i don't put people on food stamps, people become eligible for food stamps. second of all, the initial expansion of food stamp eligibility happened under my republican predecessor, not under me. >> congressman, does the president have to answer these critics and be aggressive on it, what do you think? >> yeah, he has to be very, very firm. compare our record as you do nightly and rachel does with the charts, look at what happened under president bush, look what

happened under his tax policies, his lack of enforcement for trade, global trade rules, it was a disaster, we saw nothing but middle class families get whacked, health care, right down the line. you look at those policies that president obama has implemented, look at the fact that each senior on average is saving $900 a year on their health care bill, because of the health care reform package that was passed by the democrats. look at the fact that they don't have to pay for prevent -- co-pay for preventive services anymore. that is saving them $900. then you talk about the steel industry in ohio with the tubing and chinese tariff sfrns, that o job creation in northwest ohio. the auto industry, he has a record that he needs to just beat back. they tried to get him distracted on food stamps and the other issue, the birthers and

what-not. at the stays focused on the bread and butter issues, we will win the election. tim ryan, jonathan cohn, thank you so much. >> answer the question, share your thoughts on twitter @edshow. mitt romney can't stop lying, i'm not letting him get away with it neither is the vice chair of the democratic national committee, r.t. rybak. sarah palin says republicansare crucifying newt gingrich. they have a new ad with explosive allegations about mitt romney we're talking florida with erin mcpike of real clear politics and mike pap tone i don't, we're right back. not yet, thanks for reminding me. wait, what? fret not ma'lady. i have the hotels.com app so we can get a great deal even at the last minute.

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. mitt romney is lying his way through this entire presidential campaign. he did it again last night. during the debate. at least four times. here we go. he lied when he said he never voted for a democrat. he lied when he said president obama never mentioned rockets

fired in israel during the u.n. speech. he lied when he dodged responsibility for investing in freddie mac by saying his investments were in a blind trust. and finally, he lied about one of his campaign ads. the ad in question is a spanish language radio ad. hitting gingrich for comments he made back in 2007 implying that spanish was the language of the ghetto. here's what romney said last night when he was asked about the ad. >> i haven't seen the ad so i'm sorry i don't get to see all the tv ads. i doubt that is my ad but we'll take a look and find out. >> well, yes it is romney's ad and it's romney's voice at the end of the commercial in spanish. [ spanish ] >> newt gingrich's jumping at the opportunity to point out

mitt romney's lies with a new ad of his own. >> what kind of man would mislead, distort and deceive just to win an election? this man would. if we can't trust what mitt romney says about his own record, how can we trust him on anything? >> for more, let's bring in r.t. rybak, the mayor of minneapolis. r.t., great to have you with us tonight. i have to say i have never seen any candidate spit out more lies in a 24 hour period. romney's opening up his lead in florida. is anybody paying much attention to all these lies down there? what do you think? >> well, they are coming pretty fast and furious, ed, we're doing our best. i'll add another one, mitt romney was talking about all the wonderful things he's done for seniors, but the fact of the matter is one of the companies he invested in was part of paying more than $100 million in

medicaid fraud. the president closed the donut hole on part d, brought in $4 billion in medicaid fraud in 2010 alone. there is a huge contrast with what the president has done and what romney said. the biggest debate seems to be between what romney says and what romney does and it doesn't connect. >> well, i want to go through some of his whoppers from last night. first he denied responsibility for investments in fannie mae and freddie mac. here it is. >> my investments are not made by me. my investments for the last ten years have been a blind trust managed by a trustee. >> first of all, romney's financial disclosure statement shows that he owns investments in fannie and freddie outside bat lined trust. in 194 he attacked ted kennedy on blind trust. is this raw meat for the obama administration? is the obama administration, do they have all this recorded the kind of stuff that he has said?

>> yeah, as i say, ed, it takes a lot of work it's coming fast and furious, one in accuracy or lie compounded by the other, but i think the number one rationale mitt romney has given for president is a guy who knows how to run businesses and handle money. let's look at his record and the more of it comes out and drip, drip, drip as he released the tax returns are not consistent with the financial disclosure statements. he said the statements would be so accurate, well they are not. look at the record, look at the guy who says he is worried about what obama is doing with europe but investing in a swiss bank account. build america, invest in america, has an account in the cayman islands. if mitt romney wants to run on his record, then give us the record, release all those tax returns, he gave 28 years of them to john mccain, so they are sitting somewhere, handy, release them all.

let's see them. >> romney said this about his voting record, check this out. >> i've never voted for a democrat when there was a republican on the ballot. any chance i got to vote against bill clinton or ted kennedy i took. i always voted for a republican any time there was a republican on the ballot. >> sounds like he didn't inhale in the voting booth, either. >> in 1992, he voted for paul psongas, in the massachusetts primary instead of the republican in that primary. do you think republicans will hold that against him in the long run if he gets the nomination? >> well, somebody can vote for somebody in another party i don't think that is a huge crime but why does he say something that is not the case? i think that is one of the things about it. the president has been honest with people, hasn't made everybody happy but been honest. that is what america needs, straight talk, common sense and that is what the president has given. not everybody is happy when he does that but they respect it.

now what mitt romney seems to do is up in iowa, and we were in iowa, you were there, too, you heard the horrible things he said about immigrants. now he's trying to back pedal because he has another constitue constitue constituentcy to kiss up to. 50 states but one youtube. >> he also lied about president obama. here is sound cut three on this one. >> for building settlements, he said nothing about thousands of rockets being rained on israel from the gaza strip. >> pretty amazing stuff. when it all comes down to it, who would you rather run against, newt gingrich or mitt romney? >> well, the conventional wisdom has been romney would be the hardest but what i'm liking a lot is the fact american people will get a real clean contrast between a president who is making loans or college more

affordable for students and he's working on the auto industry, all these basic common sense things for america, against a guy who the more we learn about is somebody who is come letly and totally out of touch. he says he's from the streets of america, i don't know what gilded street he's from and i don't care at the has a lot of money but i do care if he's totally out of touch with what is going on. so i'm more than happy to have our president who is out there fighting for working people and the middle class go up against mitt romney who clearly is not. >> r.t. rybak, always a pleasure, good to have you with us on the program. thanks so much. fox news's erin bowling president for using air force one. i don't remember w flying commercial, do you? he's going to the zone, next. radical wisconsin governor scott walker breaks his silence over the investigation rocking his administration, i'll show you the tape and lena taylor will join me to respond. stay with us.

in "psycho talk" tonight, fox news blowhard eric bowling complaining about the president using air force one. >> he flies off and hits five states. five swing states. air force one, guys, $181,700 per hour to operate. i did math, followed the money

did the flight times between the cities. 8 hours, 48 minutes, $1.6 million just to fly that airplane around the country. forget security and things associated with it. costing the taxpayer a lot for mr. obama to show up. >> fox news must have the stupidest viewers on the face of the earth! to think this is a story or an issue. eric, i don't know what you have been doing, many too many cool ones across the street. presidents, listen up, they routinely tour the country on air force one after the state of the union. president bush certainly did. the day after bush talked about privatizing social security in his 2005 state of the union address, eric, he was in my hometown of fargo, north dakota pushing his plan at the bison sports arena. >> i put out an idea last night,

to allow younger workers to take some their own payroll taxes and set aside set it aside and what is called a personal retirement account. >> key sound bite. did he say last night? that means it was the state of the union and then the next day he was on the road. president bush didn't take a commercial flight to get there. they don't have too many going in fargo. i personally saw air force one land in fargo, a smooth landing by the way, eric. but now, president obama is doing the same thing and eric bolling and fox news can't handle it? eric, since you're the expert when it comes to presidential planes and vice presidential travel, maybe you can explain to me why dick cheney always seemed to take air force two to south dakota to go pheasant hunting. did he pay for the gas on that, eric? for bolboling to complain is hi flying "psycho talk."

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party's choice last time, cancelled a trip to keep fighting for romney. >> we watched him come along during the campaign, became stronger and stronger, we think it's now time to rally around him. >> he's getting stronger and stronger and lying and lying. welcome back to the "the ed show," thanks for watching tonight. isn't looking good for newt in florida. the republican establishment are piling on. in the latest quinnipiac poll shows romney leading gingrich by nine points in florida. his poor debate performance isn't helping. now the former speaker is blaming lackluster effort on shock. that's right. gingrich tells the washington post he was so stunned by mitt romney's behavior during the debate all co do was look down at his feet. he said "i think it's the most blatalatant dishonest performani wanted to make sure he was as totally dishonest as i thought

he was." i'm joined by erin mcpike, good to have you with us tonight. is newt gingrich in such trouble right now in florida that he can't recover? what does it feel like down there? >> it feels like he's headed for a loss in florida. i have to tell you, ed, the race has been up and down all the way through. two days ago we thought newt gingrich was headed for a win in florida, so who knows what could happen on saturday and sunday and if the dynamics can change you're right, mitt romney is pulling in endorsements, mccain has been campaigning for him the last two days, campaigning with him again this weekend, and mitt romney just got the endorsement of the puerto rican governor, who is a huge rising star in the republican party, will help with the hispanic vote in florida. >> bob dole said positive things yesterday as well. watching tv in florida, does it look like it's 5 to 1? is romney all over the place and

newt is kind of just there? what does it look like? >> actually, ed, i have been driving over the state on the radio all i'm hearing are mitt romney radio ads. i've heard a couple for newt gingrich but they are all very nasty and people keep telling me they think this is the nastiest race they have seen down here and voters today in an event john mccain held in the villages, were up in arms about the kind of questions that were coming out at the debates and personal nature of it and they said we don't want to hear any more of this, we want to be talking about the economy and debt and these issues. >> rick santorum got in a few jabs at mitt yet here what is the associated press writes. rick santorum is tired, almost broke and going home. what does that mean? what is the strategy here, going back to pennsylvania to do his taxes. >> we hope that he's going to get a big media boost by releasing the tax newt gingric

there may be a push to the right of mitt romney it may be the tea party, if newt gingrich doesn't do well and let's say rick santorum's numbers in the double digits gets at least 10% in this primary it may be that rick santorum has yet another surge but it does look like things are lining up for mitt romney and it depends on the money that comes in for rick san tore yum over the next few days. >> i do not get rick santorum, this is jekyl and hyde campaigner. went door-to-door in iowa, in florida he decides to go home. he must be a changed man. eric mcpike, appreciate your time tonight, thank you. let's turn to mike papantonio, host of the ring of fire radio show. what do you make of santorum pulling up stakes and going home for the weekend, what does that

say? >> he realizes he has as much a chance to win as rick perry has a chance of winning double jeopardy. he is in trouble, why not go home? he has never been a force in florida at all. >> there is a new film out from a pro-gingrich super pac linking mitt romney to immediamedicare . >> the company was damon clinical laboratories. in 1989, mitt romney's company led a takeover of the medical testing outfit. romney would manage the company and serve on the board of directors. under romney's direction, the company was making huge profits. but as forbes magazine reported, romney was supervising a medical testing company guilty of massive medicare fraud. >> what do you make of the charges, mike? how serious are they, how is this playing down there? >> in florida it doesn't make any difference, fraud doesn't seem to make a difference. we elected a governor accused of

1.4 billion dollar fraud against medicare. the truth is, ed, it comes down to money, newt is out of money, mitt has plenty of money. they pumped $16 million in this state, just in the last couple weeks, and when you have a guy that there is no end in sight, the guy is worth $300 million, $57,000 a day keeps him in the race. newt is history, because at this point, here's what he understands. here's what mitt understands. he wants to freeze out newt's possible donors from this day forward. the only guy left standing at this point is sheldon adelson, put $10 million in the race behind newt, surely sees this guy is potential loser, so mitt is very smart, all he has to do is outlast him in florida, newt admits he's out of money, right now the choices for primary voters ares are getting uglier and uglier. if you take what happened last night, it was just stupid talk,

stuff about moon colonies and who can win a bike race or who is the least disgusting between the two. and these ads that are coming at us day-to-day are heightening that picture, but mitt has more money to do that than newt does. >> now, quickly, do you think that mitt romney can deliver the knock out punch of newt gingrich in florida and be done with it and get the nomination? >> yes, only because newt is out of money at this point. it takes $5 million a week, ed, because of florida's demograp c demographi demographics, $5 million a week to get the message out. $5 million was spent by newt last week, he doesn't have another five million, but mitt dogs. >> mike papantonio, great to have you with us tonight. walkergate is underway in wisconsin. lena taylor will respond to scott walker's comments on the john doe investigation.

up next, new developments out of wisconsin, scott walker answers questions about the john

doe investigation. i'll talk to lena taylor about the governor's response, what does it mean? tweet us using #edshow. robert greenwald with great information on the koch brothers, great information, stay with us.

two major developments in the walkergate scandal in wisconsin. one of his former aides will cop a plea i'm loving it. only a matter of time of what we found out scott walker knew and when he knew it. walker broke his silence on the john doe investigation he's starting to me sounding like richard nixon every day. >> i think it's very clear when all of this is done, no matter how much times it takes and again my campaign has been involved with cooperating with them for more than a year i have every confidence when this is completed people will see our integrity remains intact. >> all right on thursday two staffers who work directly for walker back when he was a

milwaukee county executive were charged for doing political work on the county computers. investigators yknow what they found? a secret internal e-mail equipment, pretty innovative. on thursday, darling wink agreed to plead guilty to two misdemeanor counts to race mon fee for walker's 2010 gubernatorial campaign. she will reportedly cooperate with investigators. walker's former deputy chief of staff, kelly richarged with working on brett davis' bid for lieutenant governor. today walker refused to answer any questions about that because he didn't want to break the rules of the john doe probe. if scott walker knew any of this was going on, he is in big time trouble. let's turn in now to wisconsin

state senator lena taylor. senator, good to have you with us tonight. what does this all mean? could this bring down the governor of wisconsin? what do you think? >> there is no question this can bring down the governor of wisconsin. and i believe that it will come and ultimately sit at a table right in front of him. how can he be less than 20 feet away from these individuals and not know what is going on? it's amazing, he knew what was going on with previous scandals that happened in our state. he always talked about tom amid but didn't know what was going on in his offices, that is ludicrous. what does it mean that one of the people who has been arrested and charged is going to work with authorities? this is going to come out, is it not? we're going to find out for sure whether walker had anything to do with this and if he did, what would be the move of the state then? aren't republicans concerned about this at this point?

>> well, i think that they should be. i think a lot of his money, as you noticed, has been coming from out of state you may have individuals inside the state putting their hands up and choosing to step back, they see this is really a problem and this is more than just something that other individuals did that truly it will be difficult to, i think, for the governor to show that he had no knowledge of any of this. if not, at the didn't know, the question is shouldn't he have known? >> well, yes, i think he should. but the other thing is this. this doesn't interfere with the investigation. if he were to come out and do one of his infamous interviews on fox news, and say i didn't have anything to do with this, that doesn't violate any investigation whatsoever. he has not emphatically come out and said i don't know anything about this and i don't have anything to do with it. why isn't anybody pressing him on that?

>> well, i think maybe you've began like you help to begin a movement in wisconsin when you gave us voice, maybe you've began to give us voice with that very issue. for the governor to come out and completely deny, just say it in plain english, i have nothing to hide, i did not know, so that later he wouldn't be put in the position to perjure himself if that is true. >> there is no interference with any investigation whatsoever. if governor walker were to come out tonight and issue a statement, i had absolutely nothing to do with this and i think it speaks volumes of the republicans in that state, that they don't make him do that. this is putting them at a real bad spot because all these people across wisconsin, you know, the republicans are supporting scott walker, and then they can't really decide when they are getting the true story. it would seem to me republicans would start rumbling about this. is there a way he could possibly be forced to resign?

could it come to that, senator? >> well, you know, to be very candid, i would think that the process of a case happening and him being this a position to resign unless the john doe rapidly came to show him and it was such that the facts were such that he needed to resign, other than, that i would think he still is owed his time in court, his due process in court and he may not resign but the recall may come before the john doe finishes, ed. >> yeah, that's true. all good fun in wisconsin, state senator lena taylor here on the "the ed show." i well tell you, governor walker, say i didn't have anything to do with it. can't you say that? what did president obama say about the koch brothers? find out next, robert greenwald will join me, it's a great story how they are involved college campuses. koch u.?

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starting to get on a roll? 99% of you said yes. 1% of you said no. once again the 99 percenters have it right. coming up the koch brothers influence is spreading from capitol hill to college campuses. robert greenwald is here with the details, stay tuned.

yesterday bill gate said he doesn't think people like him are paying enough in taxes.

i promise you, warren buffet is doing fine, bill gates is doing fine. i'm doing fine. they are definitely doing fine. >> that was president obama earlier today talking about shared responsibility at a crowd in michigan. lo and behold the koch brothers came up from the crowd. the billionaires were the focus of a heated exchange at a recent house energy committee meeting. the subject was the keystone pipeline proposal, a plan president obama has yet to give a permit to. congressman henry waxman a top democrat on the committee called for a hearing requesting testimony from somebody from the koch industry. waxman said they could financially benefit from the pipeline. republicans, they didn't want to hear anything like that. >> it's important we hear from the koch and other stake holders. i think this pipeline is a bad idea, ignores the concerns --.

>> the time has expired. i would also tell the gentleman we will certainly accept the letter and we will follow the rules but we are not going to be subpoenaing the koch brothers and not asking the koch brothers to appear because the brothers have nothing to do with this project. at this time i would like to --. >> point of order, mr. chairman. you made a statement you were not recognized for the time. you cut me out in the middle of the sentence. i would like to know the substantiation --. >> your time was up. >> i'm joined by robert greenwald, that was an interesting exchange, there are people on capitol hill who for lack of a better term are protecting the koch brothers. what would be so bad about bringing them in for testimony about their connection. what do you think of the exchange in >> i think it was a good exchange.

the chairman has gotten 25 or $30,000 from the koch brothers. so there is a very direct connection between the people they are funding and what the elected officials will do in pursuit of the koch's economic self-interest. as the president said, they've made billions just in the last few years. >> you've got a film coming out about the koch brothers influence on american college and university campuses. >> they are setting up a paernt where universities are expected to give up their values in exchange for money. >> programs that they start tend to be one point of view only. >> they now have financial agreements with over 150 colleges and university enoughs. >> spent tens of millions of dollars to get their point of view instilled in classrooms, among faculty members, and in students.

over time, hundreds of thousands of students are directly exposed to koch brothers ideoology and political points of view. >> my response to that, mr. greenwald is i can't believe it, i had no idea. what else can you tell us? >> well, look, these guys are not stupid and they are funding colleges, they fund by the way over 150 colleges around the country, and one thing i think we can do, ed, encourage all viewers to call their college, find outnumber per one are they getting koch money and number two, are there strings attached. because at florida state university, at utah, clemson, other places, where we have been able to uncover the paperwork, they have direct control over hiring professors, curriculum, papers that are written and presented, and if they don't like any of those, they are able to withdraw their money. so that a time when colleges desperately need funds they are

holding this money up and forcing their ideoology on them. >> then of course they get people h who are so-called experts in a sense being bought off or written the kind of report they want to support the projects that they want, is that a bridge too far? >> no, not at all. exactly what they do, ed, it's on paper. we have the contracts, and it basically says the koch foundation, through their advisory committee, controls and decides which professors get hired, what they teach, and how they implement it. we had a screening in florida the other day with the wonderful students down there, and pr progress florida and florida watch action who were refusing to take this attack on academic freedom and going after them strongly saying no we won't be bought off. >> we got to talk more about this next week, mr. greenwald, fascinating work you've done it again. brave new