candidatin the race. >> let me apologize for being late, we were late because we had a few television interviews this morning th ining this thato do do. >> i'm late because i was so busy up late last night winning this stuff. is the story today about rick santorum's win or mitt romney's loss. >> a little of both. threw go, this, that said, i think, look, this is more about mitt romney in the sense that his nomination has been about mitt romney. not to take anything away from rick santorum -- >> you are taking something away from rick santorum. >> but i think that most of us believe feel that romney is the likely nominee. and i don't think that anything happened that will change that. he is ahead in delegate count and can money. this under scored problems that he has with the conservative base. i think he has been unable to

sell himself to the conservatives and i think the problem for his campaign has in no small part expekzs setting. they said one of them is a beauty contest and it not binding, they said after the nevada win, romney is starting to have conservatives coalesce around him and there were no entrance polls last night but iep thinking it safe to say that did not happen. >> and that he lost colorado. that to me and to the romney camp was the most surprising thing, because there was a strong lds community there. that was huge. ? he under performed his own 2008 numbers, which is a huge problem. across the board you are seeing republican turnout is low, relative to 2008. they cannot coalesce around their front-runner choose between the two conservatives. and what is the story is what will has been leading up to the convention.

>> we have the national communications director of the santorum campaign joining us now. it great to have you back on the program. >> thanks for the time. >> i cannot see your feet, but i wonder if you are doing a little jig this morning given the results of last night. congratulations, i want to call to your attention a tweet from the ben smith of buzz feed that said, somewhere in the sky over ohio the romney death star is reving up its ion cannons. how worried are you guys about the romney money machine and organization going forward? >> well, two things, being an expert on star wars, the empire loses, in case you are not aware. >> spoiler alert. >> isn't that sad, isn't that your kmecommentary that today,

know the empir that is mitt romney will fire up his money machine to target rick santorum. that is what he does. he did it in 2008, and he did it today. we saw it a couple days before minnesota and also colorado and missouri of course, that he began to attack us as he always does. he turned his sights on anybody that poked their head up early on. i got so many e-mails and tweets last night of people that said are you ready for the machine and ready for the attack s of course we are ready? we will not let him do what he did to other campaigns. santorum is a fighter and he will not take this from romney. at this stage in the game, for you to ask me a question like the death star is lining up to take us out is a sad comment on

their campaign. >> does that make foster luke s skywalker? we could not help but in the that foster freeze who gave money to the super pac supporting rick santorum, he was in the audience, we have some reports that, i guess from the campaign, saying you raised at much as $250,000 last night. it sound like the funds are coming your way? >> he is more of a chewbaca maybe. he cheers and screams in the corner for luke skywalker. who would be rick santorum in my mind. but he does a good thing for the pac. they are friends and have been friends for a long time. our campaign has no talks with foster freeze, we see him on tv and championing the conservative that is rick santorum, and that's a good thing for us.

i mean, they are friends and he will be around flut the campaign, because he has ties with the pac. >> as far as money going into the campaign, how is the fundraising drive going? >> we rarelily give too hard and fast numbers. but i'll say that last night, compared to iowa, we had just about as much, well we had probably about two times as many people actually on the website, but we had about three times the donations we got after iowa. so, it began to tick up quickly. and i i'll tell you the exact moment. we saw an influx of traffic to the website immediately following the speech. that is telling as well. when he delivered the message and showed the difference between himself, mitt romney and barack obama on the major issues facing the conservatives when they go to make the choices in

the primary states we saw a huge influx of traffic to the website. we think that is telling. >> when we talk about santorum and the news items that have been in the last week. the social issues have been at the forefront. rick santorum seems well positioned to take advantage of this had moment. i guess the question is, to what degree does his position

who can beat obama. romney fairs the better chance, because the election will be fought in the middle on the at the edges. i think that how far turnout is down in the republican primary, if the frenzy is to lead the right, and you have difficult choices to put up against obama and turnout is down by double digits, you have to be worried if you are a gop strategyist as to what will happen come november. >> a good question is the turnout issue, what is the importance of that? it's nice that rick is winning, but to other hand, if there's so few voters turning out, what is the significance of it really? >> hogan, let's ask you that, the polls are saying the majority of the country is on their side vis-a-vis the contraception side.

>> it interesting because as you know, i worked for mike huckabee for a dozen years and he consistently says and we consistently know is the fact that every single skeconservatii know is a fiscal conserve itch but not a social conservative. they vote their ideals on the social issues of the day. but putting huge debts on our children is a morale problem. so they focus on the social and fiscal issues equally. we are seeing an influx of social conservatives coming to rick santorum's campaign and beginning to support him more and more and we are seeing the reagan supporters following him more and more, those are something that the reagan democrats out in the industrial states want to hear and they want to know how you'll bring back manufacturing, and rick says it for years that all we

have heard is how the jobs are gone, the manufacturing jobs are gone forever. that's a lie that they have been told, and santorum is telling them the truth. if you set forth regulatory environments that are a benefit for the american worker, that the companies and the corporations will come back, the manufacturers will be back and will have those jobs, and we will be able to keep those jobs again. i think that is the message resonating. remember, we do not have to try can and go out and court social conservatives and by the way, the other candidates in the race for the entire campaign have been saying the exact same message on the conservative issues that rick santorum is saying, but why do we take all the incoming as it relates to social conservative? one reason, because rick santorum's record matches his rhetoric. >> that's a fair point, you have someone like rick santorum in

this race, has views and held them for a long time and pushes a candidate like romney further to the right. and hogan brings up the question, blue collar workers in manufacturing states, a segment of the population mitt romney has had a hard time getting into his corner. i wopder how much trouble rick santorum staying in the race effects romney and his message? >> one thing i would say in terms of the social conservative. it plays well for him on the free media and mitt romney is well ahead of the field in fund raising so they will have quite a bit to catch up in terms of ad dollars, but it helps that the economy is doing better at the moment, that is romney's selling point, to the extent that you can move issues away from that. in terms of what hogan is

saying, we have to see how that will play out in a primary. santorum is less likely to get rattled that will come from romney's campaign than gingrich did. and i think the next debate will be interesting because of that. it will now be painted more as a two-man race between romney and santorum. >> i just realized that is the first time that we said gingrich, that is a testament to what is happening. we will be looking forward to more star wars terms, best of you can in the coming weeks. >> thank you very much, alex. >> no shortage of the decision of reversing the president's stance and embracing super pac money. we will talk about that next on "now." [ male announcer ] we know you don't wait

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sale, the editorial pages are taking a stab at president obama, saying the announcement fullyi imp indicates the president in the related courts decisions. joining me now is bill burton, who runs the obama subpoeper pa thank you for joining us today. >> hi. >> do you find yourself in an awkward position yesterday today and today given the decision and e-mail to supporters saying it

time to put money into super pacs? >> not particularly. as i said on your show previously. this is not a perfect system, and these are not the rules that we would have if we were able to just make them from whole cloth right now, but it's the rules that we have and we are going into an election where karl rove and coca-cola brothers and others have pledged ins of dollars against obama, maybe we do not like the rules but we have to have a force against what they are doing. >> criticism from the right is probably expected, but certainly many voices on the left are saying this goes against the progressive ideals that are you trying to up hold. fine gold said i think it's phony and people will see us as weak and to me, this is dancing with the devil. how do you respond to people on the left who are unhappy with this decision? >> i think that devil is over

stated. but i think that i'll say we love senator feingold and we have different backgrounds, but we are for campaign finance reform. the president is for campaign finance reform. you do not get the change the rules if you are not in the control of the car. what we think is we have to maintain control -- >> let me stop you there, this is the president of the united states, how can you say he is not in control of the car so? >> democrats in the senate and democrats in the house have tried to push through campaign finance reform, they have tried to push through the disclose act, and there's a united front here for campaign finance reform. but it is a minority in the senate who is stopping it from going forward, when you are up against a stubborn minority and the supreme court of the united states, you cannot change the rules as fast as you would like

to. >> i want to bring in the panel here, this metaphor does not invoke the devil, but the washington post said this is how it starts, your neighbor buys an attack dog and every several months you both have rocket launchers, is it >> what are you going to do? you cannot fight with a hand behind your back, people have said, it like saying, to rich people, just go ahead and pay more taxes and it's not really the answer. in the meantime the president should play by the rules and do the best he can. >> how much are progressives going -- the wall street journal said today progressives care and tomorrow they are not going to. >> probably. >> would you agree? >> i do. i do not think it a big mover of voters. and it never is, is it a flip flop, i think that is clear. do i think that he needed to do

this because it was clear after the latest coke brother's conference how much the right is going to raise? i think he has to. does it lose him any voters? maybe five. >> five? >> can i make a point here? >> yes. >> the practical impact of this cannot be clearer than the results last night. if you are looking for an area where mitt romney won and lost, i do not think you look at the midwest or the northeast or the south or you know, what coalitions that he was able to put together. what we know is that when mitt romney's super pac out spending their opponent by a 5-1 margin, mitt romney wins, when he does not, he does not win. there's no enthusiasm for him out there, other than the excitement that the billions of dollars that he raises for negative ads. he will have that money and whether that money is spent, it

can have a huge difference. >> speaking of the money, i saw you in the press wiselily hedging your bets on the extend to which progressives would pony up for the president given that we do not have the same history of giving at the super pacs. to what extent are the democrats will be to give to the pacs? >> in the media, in the long-term? >> what is the media and long-term? more specifically? >> i can report right now, we did not get any $50 million checks overnight. in the couple of weeks as people start to understand the impact that super pacs will have and have in the election as democrats awaken to the fact that this is an important part of what the election is, how the election is going to be decided, i think they will start to come to the table and be a part of the conversation and participate with us and other entities that are out there trying on counter

what the coke brothers and karl rove is trying to do. >> i think a couple points get cost, campaign finance has an impact in turning people off against the system as a whole. it disgusts the voters and they think it's corrupt and this is a sign that the president is just as bad. so everyone says to heck with all of them. but the other thing that gets lost in the debate, who winds up profiting from the super pacs, where does the money come from and who pockets it at the end of the day? the answer, networks like nbc, all of this money will -- >> not magazines like "rolling stone"? >> unfortunately no. or we would be for it too. it hard to get a conversation going about campaign finance refor when the media stations gain from it. >> the media alone is good, the

race is a good story. >> it's not likely to change before the election, the question is how to manage the money properly. the system we have now is as bad as you can imagine. it's a wink, nod, secretive, all these pretty lame -- pretty lame he said quietly. >> bill burton, thank you for joining us. >> hugo, that will not be forgotten. >> it's on air. after the break, if last night's results can teach us anything, it's that we may know nothing about the future of the race. we will discuss it next. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents: the cold truth.

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know that we can relate to him. unfortunately none of the policies line up with the vision of america. it n >> i think it's as much his personal experiences do not seem to be something that he is willing to share. his own personal experiences are not bootstraps up. that is why he is borrowing his dad's message. i thought the story worked well. >> the story telling leaves a bit to be desired. i was watching and thinking was he talks about his own dad, it had an emotional distance toy i that is just weird. if it comes to him and obama, he is at a disadvantage just from sort of the personal investment in what he is saying. >> i think it striking, the two areas, money and religion, where

he is the weakest, this is his second bid for president and he is still so unkmfbl talking about it. these stories come in and out of the story but they never make an effort to wrap their arms around and it does not either. >> john edwards had the problem of looking air brushed and everyone thinking he was plastic in focus groups but from the start he was saying son of a millworker and making it personal and emotional the way you would to a jury. >> that was his old profession making that appeal. >> i think it the late breaking doing this. it doing this now. edwards was doing it from the beginning, sort of the same way that romney started to retest economic messages, it would have sounded great had he been saying it whole time, instead it came

after the jobs report. >> and his father comes -- his father's story. and the giant gummi bear that cannot be ignored, newt gingrich, what do we make of his chances going forward, he is in ohio, can he survive rick santorum? >> when expectations are the lowest for newt, that is when he surprises. he has debates left that he will participate in, and i'm not going to be surprised if we see another blip upward. >> santorum is seeing a bump because the social issues are in the process of what we are talking about. knows are not the strong suits for newt. he is in a tough spot, for a

while he was able to dominate the stage and now he has to share it. >> and he will be speaking in all fairness at the political action conference that starts tomorrow and we will be sure that there will be fireworks out of there. we had michael steele and he talked about the republican party will not let it be a brokered convention, but we look at the field and what happened last night and it transcristrikw the party has let the process under serve the candidates. you have romney, say what you will, it was not good for him to lose the three contests last night. >> it not the party's role to m manage it like that. >> but just in terms -- sorry. >> i think we are looking at a different playing field, there's a party war going inside the party. they are not in the position to dictate like they did in 2008.

the world romney has changed and you now have a raising up in the party against what perceived as the party establishment. and that is playing out. >> i would like to say though, we have a habit in the press as acting like this is the first time this has happened. this is not the first establishment nominee that has had problems with the party, and michael steele is the personal responsible for the primary calendar existing the way it is. what you do have that is unusual this time is usually after the -- in recent memory after the first few contests people start to drop out. you see people getting out. that is not happening right now. >> well, the field narrowed. >> super tuesday had already happened at this type this year. it not helping that it drags it out further. >> that was by design. >> and states going rogue and pushing the race up further and

messing with the primary calendar has not helped a person like romney, gives every motivation in the world for newt gingrich to say in. >> in 2008, mccain had been pushed so far to the right, he could not win the general, and again, you are seeing that. even if romney gets the n nomination, the fact that they have had all the fights and the fact that they can push him further to the right and ron paul, you know, making sure that there are pieces to the puzzle, he will have a platform that is simply unwinnable in november. >> we did not mention ron paul but we will talk about him on the back half of the show, eem sure. the end of wall street as they knew it. so says the article. we will talk with the author of the piece about how reform, populism and poll tibitics have turned against them.

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it's amazing what soup can do. is the wall street bubble bursting? gone are the days of client dinners and paychecks with endless he zeroes, life on the street is changing. here now is mgabriel sherman. thank you -- >> they did not make you pose for the cover, did they? >> no no. >> let's talk about, you bring it up in the piece, the populace backlash and people were shocked that the anti-capitalist rhetoric, not just coming from the left which they were prepared for, but from the right? >> yes, that was as a source, an amazing thing, they are used to

the republicans being the ultimate defenders of anything having to do with business and you have this vulture capitalism argument being made, they were ready for that in the fall but it came six is months early. >> we have a montage of the candidates talking about it. can we play it? it's coming. >> venture capital and vulture capitalism. >> to question a candidate's claim that he created jobs, is does not attack capital >> i enjoy creating jobs. >> you know, this against a backdrop of street -- the tension between rich and poor is at a all-time high and it tops the voters issues beyond race and immigration. >> yes. >> so, having said that it surprising that the right has

been so sort of tough on this the issue, when you look at the policy proposals, mitt romney's tax policy and newt gingrich's policy favors the guys on wall street. >> and mitt has been campaigning on repealing the provisions in the dodd-frank bill. >> that is him calling me to held me he is mad. they want do back to the system largely that we had pre2008. >> i guess the question is for those of us that live in new york, when we talk about the means that are out there, to what degree do we believe that the days of the dinners are gone and perhaps not on break? >> i mean, new york city is a money town. >> that is right. >> so money is going to come through here in one form or another until they burn it down. so, i think, i think the lavish

dinners seem to be going on quite extensively throughout new york city. so i don't know that it changed much. i've been traveling through the rest of the country. and new york city and manhattan in particular seems more brisk here when it comes to business, compared to going to chicago and detroit. i guess wall street made so much money that making a little less is not going to fundamentally hurt it. >> that is right, and you have to ask what is driving it down and what is driving it down is the economy in europe. that is what is going on, not oversight of any kind but the state of the economy, and you have on say, how much less are they making. take it from goldman sachs, where revenues were down by more than half, where stock price was down more than 20%, and their

bonuses go down 20%, so they are over compensated relative to their performance. so in that sense, the same old same old aapplies. >> but i think the crisis on wall street is the recognition that there will never be a bubble like we saw. all the engines that drove it from 2005 to 2008 are gone. there's criticism that dodd-frank did not go far enough, they had to shed the things that they did to generate the money they made in the bubble. so that is what they see, not a rosie future. >> the prop trade is not what is driving the profits down in a significant way. that is not happening. if you look at the fourth quarter reports, it has zero to do with it. but before 2005, a session of

bubbles has been what was the problem. they have not cooked up the next bubble. i have great faith that they will figure out a way to do that. >> they are inventive. >> they will do it again. >> i wonder, as we talk about it in the context of the 2012 race, the president is striking a populace tone, social mobility is at a historic low and the president is focusing on this topic, we know that there's a lot of tension between wall street and the white house. i wonder when you are speaking with these guys and they articulate their political leanings, how concrete is that frustration and hatred for the programs? >> it's off the charts. i mean, they just fundamental think that the president does not understand what they do. they see him as an academic, someone that never worked in the private sector. wall street guys think of

themselves as the fighter pilots of capitalism, they feel it very personal. >> they attacked. >> yeah. >> it not just a lack of understanding, it's an active dislike. i mean they feel like they have been demonized and it's been the case for years. and there's been little done to undo it. and they have doubled down on it. >> i would say they have doubled down on it. i want to pivot because you mentioned silicon valley and the street versus the ipos, we are in the face of facebook and the ipos, in speaking with on couple of folks involved in the start up world, they have programs called keep the kids off the street. meaning wall street t tide on

that could be turning and more people going into the business world. >> that would be a good thing trading real valley. >> for every google and facebook, there are a thousand companies that go nowhere. so it's not like silicon valley is a place of innovation and brilliance. there's two different kinds of people that go work there and those kinds of people are not easily moving between the two fields. it not like oh, i'll move here or here, i think it's more complicated than that. >> and i think, i knew you were going to be a nay sayer on this. the notion that the culture capital of silicone valley is so great, the contention by a lot of people that lived through the first bubble burst is that they are not real companies, right? >> some of them are. >> insofar as they are concrete creating real product, right? to what degree do you have that

argument? >> the student from mit may have gone to work for a company but now working on facebook may draw them to go to the west coast. you've seen bloomberg courting the tech business. for a while, we were so finance dome mate einated that they wan bring in the industries. >> silicon valley is popping up in the flat iron business. and dodd-frank is doing something, right? >> the guys i talked to really feel the pressure of the regulatory environment. and it's changing their business, there's debate about how much it's changing their business, if you look at the leverage ratios, not to get technical, the businesses cannot borrow as much money. i know that critics wanted to go further and break up the banks,

but you know, the reality is, the regulations are working and it will be a question now whether the republicans will be able to water them down when a lot of the rules are being argued in washington. >> and there's no shortage of anger directed at the white house for these regulations, actually kind of maybe sort of working. gabe, thank you for joining us and sharing your wisdom with us. >> thank you. >> his piece, the event mascula -- what the tough talk means for the u.s. and the region next on "now." ♪ he was a 21st century global nomad ♪ ♪ home was an airport lounge and an ipad ♪ ♪ made sure his credit score did not go bad ♪ ♪ with a free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ app that he had ♪ downloaded it in the himalayas ♪

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now?" the arizona supreme court borrowedborrow ed -- barp -- barred a woman from running for office who cannot speak english. >> this is unsurprising and not democratic, they offered her a test to test her english, and it up to her constituents for them to figure outdoes she speak enough english, a lot of people speak spanish, it's a border town. >> this heel on the -- on the heels o an advertisement that has been said to have dumb language. but the otherism that is happening in the country, whether it's over integration or

the economy, it's shocking, >> and polling shows that 60% of morns feel racially anxious about how the country is changing, it's gross to see politicians playing on those anxietities. >> speaking of foreign affairs, the iranian ambassador is boasting that they can hit any american asset in the world. this is the foreign policy sands shifting. president obama may have a lot of foreign policy to deal with in the coming year and certainly the situation in iran looks like a powder keg. >> we have to hope it stays in the realm of foreign policy and not out right war. it changes everything. it changes everything about the economy and the american political are cal situation and people's lives in the middle east. it probable it will most serious

issue out there. >> as we talk about wars and battles being fought, important to note that earlier this hour,er house speaker john boehner entered the debate over birth control by accusing the federal government of drifting beyond their constitutional boundaries. >> if the attack on religious freedom, then the congress must. >> what does that mean? is that a call for rising up? it n surpri surprising, not surprising that they have taken the flag and will wave it for some time. >> this is a guy that was struggling against tea party uprising and this is an good issue for him to stand up and do ra, ra, and it an easy base

motivator for the right. >> we will see how that fractured gop makes nice in the coming months. thank to my panel for joining us on the television experiment known as "now." i'll see you back here tomorrow at noon eastern when i'm joined by my panel, and you can follow us on the good old twitter machine. andrea mitchell is up next. i'm freaking out man.

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one of the great gifts that i had in my political career is that no one ever thinks that i can ever win anything. the gift of being under estimated is a wonderful gift and i think we have seen a bit of that last night. >> right now, republican as surprise game