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it was -- boom, boom, boom, boom. they were running and -- >> putting video and audio in a living and breathing drug house and turning the keys over to the gang when you wanted to turn them over, that had never been done before. >> look, big shots. i got 30 shots. >> it's 24 hours a day. and you actually see 24 hours a day of what these people are doing and how they live and how they operate their business in amongst their personal lives. >> he's gonna swallow all this. >> i asked my husband at least four or five times, "what did he say? did he say 42 years?
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did he say 42 years?" >> bup, bup, bup, bup. [ gunshots ] between about 2001 up through 2005, there was a growing presence of hardened chicago gang members that were coming out to rockford and taking over the drug business. word began to spread about this guy named duck and members of the titanic stones.
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>> we kept hearing this name, duck. that he was from chicago. that he was putting out a lot of dope here in rockford. he was just a young guy, but he had a real reputation. people were afraid of him, just a little guy. the talk in the street informant information was that this group run by duck, titanic stones, were trying to take over the drug trade in rockford. and they were moving real strong. >> when they arrived here in rockford, there was definitely a power struggle. chicago versus rockford. we'd have our robberies, our shootings. there had been murders here. >> every so often, somebody comes into power. it's just like anything else in life, you know. any business or any -- you know, something always rises to the top. >> it was an epidemic. it's basically what it was.
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>> they were shooting a lot of people. >> random gunfire was taking place, a lot of it directed to housing developments in the city. we were having multiple shots fired during these shootings. there was one particular incident that took place on underwood street on a saturday afternoon. >> there was a running gun battle in the middle of the street. there were 60 rounds exchanged. there were 60 casings in the street. and it was a miracle that nobody was killed. i mean, there were children out playing. the rounds were flying. and everything went back to duck. >> now we're coming up on central. we're still on the west side of town here in rockford. we're going to go by the auburn street mcdonald's where julio allen, a member of an opposite gang here in rockford, was confronted by davis bradford dodson. >> bradford dodson, who had the nickname of hustler, played the roll of enforcer. at duck's orders, at the
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mcdonald's restaurant at auburn and central, tried to carry out a hit in retaliation for a home invasion at one of the gang's drug houses. they found out julio allen was there. davis gave the order, and bradford dodson fired several rounds through a plate glass window. >> when you've got someone firing rounds inside a mcdonald's like that, that's unacceptable. that's when i said, "i want this duck. this guy has got to go down." we initiated a federal case. did an awful lot of surveillance, following people, watching people talking to informants. we started to see the pattern. the way they were selling the narcotics was the same. >> he was using different locations in the city, renting houses. normally he would have a lady rent the house in her name. nobody would live there. they would just use it strictly to sell drugs.
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>> the rockford police department had executed search warrants at many of these houses and only gotten small quantities of crack cocaine or heroin. almost always heroin. and he was never there. he wasn't the one selling it. we were lucky enough to have a confidential informant who was providing us with a wealth of information. and told us that she had been approached and asked if she would be interested in renting a house on behalf of duck and the titanic stones. i was selling crack. i was selling dime bags, 20s, eight-balls. i mean, i was good at it. i'm not gonna sit there and say i wasn't good at it. i just slipped up one time 'cause i was drunk. i was messed up and forgot to take it out and went to jail, and they found it in the jailhouse. duck looks like the coolest person. i'm talking about, like, the
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coolest person, he's the scariest person. if you get to know him and see how he really is, he's the most dangerous man, period, i've ever seen in my life. because he's really dangerous. he had more power than scar face. that man was big, big. they would have killed me if they had found out. they would have killed me. i'd be dead. it's a chance i had to take. and two pills. after a morning of walk-ups, it's back to more pain, back to more pills. the evening showings bring more pain and more pills. sealing the deal... when, hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. it can relieve pain all day with fewer pills than tylenol. this is lois... who chose two aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. [ female announcer ] try aleve d for strong all day sinus and headache relief. pick your style off a salon wall? not in a million years. inspired by all who challenge the same old thing
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they would kill me. it's a chance i had to take. >> beginning of the case, i was working in the narcotics unit and my brother was in the gang
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unit. we were working both angles of it. barry came to me one day and said, i've got an idea. do you think this will work? he had an informant, the house would be used for a drug house and they wanted to wire the house up with video and audio. yeah, i think we can make that happen. >> this is where the house was. it was donated to us. it was scheduled for demolition. this is the spot right there. and it was pretty much disgusting when we got it, but they were kind enough to let us do whatever he wanted to do. we parked in this driveway and carried lots and lots of carpeting and junk inside. >> we chose the location because at the time the targets he wrp looking at was looking for an east side spot. they were looking for a spot that had alleys that was hidden
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from the general traffic but could be accessible to somebody that would want to get in and get out. >> it was boarded up. every window, every door was boarded up. inside the carpet was rotten. the flooring was a mess. all the utilities were not functioning. we would come over in our undercover vehicles. we would paint, do electrical work, plumbing, totally redo the house but we added things to it. video and audio. >> talking to the technical people, we determined in order to do what we wanted to do we would have to hard wire the house to a listening post. by hard wire we needed a cable run directly from that house to wherever we set up a command post/listening post.
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fortunately, one day we were in a room talking and the sergeant from the community relation hs to be in there and he heard the problem and he said, i've got just the spot for you. went out and looked at it. it was perfect. >> the factory, command center we used was an old model paint factory. we had a bird's eye view of the house looking north and the command center was set up so that there was a monitoring room where you would have three agents at three separate monitoring stations and a super supervisor in the room. and each of those stations monitored a particular room in the house at 1023 kishwaki. one for the kitchen, one for the dining room, one for the living room.
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nobody could guarantee that the titanic stones wouldn't say that we're not interested any more or that they would think that somebody was up. there were tense days leading up to august 9th. >> when i first went to show him the house, he loved it. he said call that landlord right now and tell him you want it. it's low key. it is easy for people to come in from the alley and nobody can see them. he wanted it. we didn't use the front door and he wanted it. he was like, telling me. on, i called it and i said, duck wants it. he said, he wants it? i said, he loves it. >> finally on august 9th it worked out. and within a very short period of time, a couple of hours, the keys were turned over.
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40. >> 40. >> what you all got? >> yeah. >> 40. >> that's no problem. you know where we are now? >> thank you, thank you. >> y'all be careful. >> you too. take care.
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>> it is really an underclass and subculture that most people really never see. >> i remember a phone call that i received from barry cunningham and his words were, "we're in the hornet's nest here." >> i was here from about 5:00 in the morning every morning until 2:00 every night.
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miserable hot every day. miserable. everybody was yelling at me because i was the guy supposed to be handling the gear, and i just couldn't keep it cool enough. it was a learning experience for everybody there. this was the first time you actually saw what happened in a drug house. they were just living like regular people live. watching tv, playing video games, visiting with their friends. the normal life was interrupted by selling drugs, playing with guns and counting money. >> if there is not criminal activity going on then the court order prois that you have to turn off the recording devices. most often everything going on in that house was criminal in nature because there was almost always drugs around or a gun in the room, almost everybody was a convicted felon, to everything was criminal in nature.
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>> it was a simple operation. whoever was in the house at this time, people would come to the door, they knew the majority of the people coming to the door because of the fact that they were dealing with them on a regular basis. they would lay around all day long on the couch waiting for somebody to knock on the door so they could sell dope to them.
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>> this group was associated with so much violence. once the microphones were turned on and the cameras were turned on, there was relief that it was working, the tension didn't necessarily subside because it became very obvious to us that this game was for real. and the reputation that preceded them was one that was appropriate. >> the last thing in the world we wanted to do was bring
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violence to a neighborhood. we set this house up. so, you know, god forbid we brought violence into the neighborhood and somebody got hurt. we were always concerned about that. that that was something that we had to keep in mind that we couldn't let it get out of control. >> every evening and it would hit the fan. i can't think of a better way to say it, it would just hit the
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fan. several times they would jump up and say, let's go shoot so and so. it's like, okay, we are to stop this. usually they would talk about it for five minutes, playing x -- or video games and they took care of themselves. nevertheless, it was every night, every night. it got to be a laugh. we would wait around, wait for the 7:00 catastrophe every night. >> that's the police, man.
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now back to msnbc undercover. putting video and audio in a living and breathing drug house and turning the keys over to the gang when you wanted to turn them over, that had never been done before. >> it's 24 hours a day. and actually see 24 hours a day what these people are doing and how they live and how they operate their business in amongst their personal lives.
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>> bradford was an enforcer, just a brooding hard case. the shooting at mcdonald's where he did shoot julio during the dinner time incident it was just brazen. >> from the beginning when i first joined the gang i was being somebody that i wasn't. i wasn't being bradford, dodson. i was being the hustler, the one they wanted me to be. they didn't like bradford dodson. they liked the hustler. so, for all them years, i was being a hustler. i wasn't being bradford v.dodson
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>> my child did not have negligent parents. he wasn't hungry. didn't miss a day's meal. was not homeless. was not a crack head. wasn't abusive. i did none of the things that society say the reason that these children do what they do. they do it because they want to and they do it because someone has enticed them. the drug dealers come through and they see easy gullible young people and they offer them -- it's exciting. you know? the possibility? the rims, the car. i am angry at him for not -- i'm
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actually angry at him for allowing someone to sell him a dream of nothing. and i believe that's my fault. >> i met bradford when my daughter was picking me up from work and she introduced me to the guy in the car. this is my boyfriend. i didn't pay him any attention. first time i really, really other than seeing him in the car remember being around brad was i went over one day and one of their friends says martha, i think you need to know, jennifer's pregnant. after that day, brad and i became really close because i punched him. and after that i started taking him to church with me and i grew to love him and he was just my boy.
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>> i first met doug in 1996, 97. they gang was from like 53 and harper and we from 52nd and drexler. doug used to come down and he would shoot at us and it was like concrete jumping off the ground hitting the cars. because our two gangs was into it. that's the first time i even heard his name or knew about him. >> it didn't hurt so much for me as i did for brandon. he has uncles and grandfathers
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and cousins and what not that could help raise him but it's nothing like a dad. it was very young in heaven. that's all he know about his dad. is in and out of jail. >> happy birthday, man. >> thank you.
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>> the severity of the situation never hit me until 2:00ed in morning i get a call from the hospital across town that he'd been mugged. and i'm thinking, oh, how did that happen? they say, well, we're taking him to surgery. we'll call you when it's over. 9:00 the next morning, they call me, that he was finally out of surgery. so i talked to the doctor because hi worked at that hospital before. and he told me that somebody had mashed brad's hands just -- he said worst case he'd ever seen. he said it took him seven hours to put the hands back together. the hands were mashed flat. the fingers were split and the flesh was coming through. all the bones down to the wrist. just mashed. like hamburger. >> if you look at the video footage from the house, you see bandages on both of bradford dodson's hands throughout that
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time period. and that is from darrell "duck" davis. what happened was, they suspected -- duck suspected bradford of snitching on the gang or of stealing money. something that went against duck and the organization. so duck gathered up the gang members. he had jowl turner hold a gun to bradford dodson's head. bradford dodson was made to spread eagle on the floor, all you have his clothes off and duck took a hammer and he broke both of bradford dodson's hands. >> he just hit my hands three times. with the hummer. it don't take that much to bust no hands from no hammer. he hit my hands three times. i told him i did steal the guns, though. i needed cash quick because i
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wasn't trying to be around like that, man. i stayed around because he made me come around. when i got out the hospital he immediately came and got me from my baby mother's house. i'm going to tell the truth, i was scared. i didn't want to die. >> duck in the video footage came across as somebody who is always in control. when he walked in, anybody who i had enough of feeling embarrassed about my skin. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.
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>> duck in the video footage came across as somebody who is always in control. when he walked in, anybody who was in the house sort of perked up. and duck was there for one reason, which was to deliver drugs and to pick up the money, most importantly. >> duck was in charge. nobody else knew who duck knew. duck had the contacts in chicago. when he made a transition in chicago, no one was allowed to be with him during that transaction. they'd have to wait in the car. he kept that confidential. you know, that was his ace in the hole with these guys. because he knew one of them would go out and try to make a contact with them otherwise.
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>> when he needed to re-up, or get more crack cocaine, he went into the city. duck never drove himself. most often his driver was ambrose jones, somebody who was in his very tight inner circle. somebody he trusted. it was a car that was in somebody else's name. a big, black suv. we later found out had a hidden compartment. but he went in and picked it up, brought it back to rockford where he mixed it and kept it at
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his girlfriend's house a way from where he slept or did his business. >> any time the drug house was out of drugs, whoever was working would use the nextel phones and inform him that they needed more product. >> and then you'd see duck driven by ambrose go over to the escalade, go over to the chestnut street house, pick up a pack, drop it off, pick up the money and then take off.
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>> it was interesting and disturbing at the same time what the customer base was. there were people from all walks of life. people who looked like they had just gotten off work at 5:00, 5:30 and stopped at the drug house to get their her win fix. people clear on well on their way to be addicts, teenagers, people from all walks of life. >> you know, many times your victims are not the best citizens themselves.
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but they're still a victim. how did they get to this point? they're taking their life in their hands to go to a neighborhood they know nothing about, to walk into a house they know nothing about. there's goouys in here with gun to purchase a little bag of powder. what went so wrong in their lives to put them to that point? and this is a small part of a huge picture. how big is this drug problem throughout the world? it's -- it's beyond explaination. it's huge. >> i had a easy life.
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i had -- my parents did the best they could with what they had. i had -- i have wonderful loving parents. and although my home was semi dysfunctional, my parents did everything in they power to make sure i didn't use drugs. had i not used would he had not sold drugs? i can't say that for sure. he had a huge influence from his father and he wanted to be just like daddy. and daddy was a dope dealer. he had no respect for me. i was addicted to cocaine. he had no respect for me. but his father, on the other hand, that's who he respected.
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i thought i was going to die with that pipe in my hand. i really did. but i can sit here with confidence and say i will never use cocaine again in my life. cocaine is no longer part of who i am. hasn't been for a long time. i botched up motherhood. i botched it. look what my son is. i remember very clearly. i had been in my addiction maybe seven or eight years and daryl said to me, ma, i know what you doing. and if you do down, i'm going to go crashing down with you. i didn't hear him. he was crying out to me then. i didn't hear him.
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the investigation lasted approximately six weeks. to get six weeks out of it was more than we could have hoped for. duck and a number of the members of the organization drove into chicago to obtain more her win. they were under surveillance in the chicago area when they became targeting of a drive-by shooting. suddenly out of nowhere, a second vehicle pulled up alongside duck and an individual started shooting.
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the agents in chicago had to immediately take action, which required them to pursue the vehicle that the shots had come out of. duck could see these cars suddenly come from nowhere and put it all together right then and there. he knew he was under surveillance. and he suspected other things might be wrong back in rock ford. he then placed a call that we intercepted into the dope house in which he warned the individuals there that he thought he was being followed by federal investigators and that they should get out of the house immediately. >> they scrambled back to rockford that night, ambrose, jones and the suv. duck, we later learned n a taxi,
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that's when the jig was up, so to speak. and it was time for us to start making arrests, which is what we did on september 14th. >> the leader of this conspiracy darrell davis, received a 42 -year sentence. and that trickled down to the other members of the conspiracy. brad fordodson receiving a 35-year sentence after trial.
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>> 42 years for darrell "duck" davis is a life sentence. he's going to be an old man when he gets out. when a group like titanic stones get to the point where they're that organized and are terrorizing the streets, you're left with no choice. law enforcement is left with no choice but to take them off. he was simply too dangerous and ordered too many violent acts to leave out on the street. >> every day that the phone would ring or i would hear a siren, i thought, okay, that someone is going to tell me come identify your son. because that was definitely the path that he was going down. i could have been a better parent. i know i'm a better person. i've proven that i'm a better person than that. but unfortunately my son doesn't know me in my present state, and
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that hurts me. come on. it's raining. >> my grandchildren -- oh, they're sweethearts. get the back. get in the back. >> little darrell is 6 and deshante is 7. wonderful, wonderful children. >> can you give us some because we don't have that much money? >> okay, i'll give you some money.
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>> they don't know the nature of what has happened. they just know that dad's in jail, and when is he getting out? >> darrell, go sit down. yes. i want to sit here. you sit over there, please. you want some french fries? okay. yeah, it's a joy having them. it's an absolute joy. i'm getting a second chance at this. go to the front and say excuse me, ki please have some barbecue sauce. can you do that? i didn't ask you. i told her. you want another hamburger? hey! how you been? how was your trip in? good, good, good. granny missed you. okay. let's go. don't crack your knuckles. your daddy used to crack his, too. you see how big this part of his hand is. when you go visit him, when we go visit him this summer, look at this part of his hand, he got lumps sitting on his hand. and his hands been through a lot.
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you hate getting off the phone like i do when your daddy calls? >> yeah. >> i hate getting off the phone with him. >> do he call you a lot? >> he do. he calls me at least three times a month. >> he don't call us a lot. he called granny's house. >> he called granny's house? >> yeah. >> i think we should write a letter to the prison and tell them we want more time. they'll say, we can't give him too much. we can't give him anymore time on the telephone. here. y'all just take him. wouldn't that be nice? that would be nice. >> yeah. he only got 30 years left. granny? maybe so.
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i'm not mad at the judge and prosecuto prosecutors. they got to do their jobs. the gavel was hit. the signature was signed. the jury brought its verdict. it was over with. and it's according to the guidelines. he gave me what he gave me. and if 30 years is what it took for me to humble myself, then all is well. i'm not being a real good example to brandon, you know what i'm saying. because if he look up to me, i just hope that he don't make the same mistakes that i did, you know, and put himself in jeopardy from being away from his children. >> in my longest daydreams somehow or nother he get out of jail, like that. and nobody has grown old, you know, and it could be next year or next month, and we pick right
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up. he don't want to know nothing about it. he just -- he's not interested in the lifestyle. and i'm not going to say he want to go somewhere and get him a cottage with a white picket fence, but he's not involved in this, you know. but that's in my longest daydreams. >> from our standpoint these are dangerous guys. we had to take them off the street. we wanted them to go away from the rest of their lives. from the family standpoint, they put aside what they did, that's still their loved one, their son or their brother. they love them no matter what they did. i think sometimes it's not only tragic, but sometimes it's a relief for them, because they know what they're doing. their son or their brother, whoever it might be, they know they're in rockford dealing dope. there's two ways out of that. you're going to the penitentiary or you're going to end up dead.

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