disaster. 17 people lost their lives. we understand that this departure from where we'd dipically start the show, but with the video and story so compelling, we did want to get this out into the conversation this afternoon. all of it is featured in the discovery channel special that will air this weekend. one clip despite the captain's orders for passengers to remain calm and stay on the boat, understandably, in the face of those orders in a boat that was sink bing, they did not listen to the captain. >> i think he's in denial. i think he's hoping against hope he can keep his ship afloat. he does not take that important step of ordering everyone to lifeboat stations early enough for them to avoid the panic that comes with the call "abandon ship."

>> that most significant leadership trait, the humility to actually acknowledge what's happening and adjust, lacking. the captain, by the time he called abandon ship, the ship was already tipping over. thousands of passengers still on board the boat at the time not nearly enough lifeboats at that time to take them off the boat. incredibly, the captain's actions and judgment are believed to have cost lives, the discovery channel experts believe a change in the wind direction at the moment of the disaster actually saved many lives. it it airs this sunday night at 10:00 p.m. captain michael burns of the

maritime academy helped analyze the disaster for the folks at the discovery channel. let's start with how the wind could have saved all those people. walk us through your logic on that. >> well, what happened with our investigation, we had access to position data that showed the moment that the ship did strike the rocks. and then begin to slowly lose speed and come to rest dead in the water. . the wind direction at the time was coming from the northeast. it helped to set the ship down on to the shore where it finally came to rest on the ocean floor. had had that wind direction been slightly different, it's possible the ship could have been lost all together. >> this story were it not so real and were the consequences not so permanent and disastrous is almost like a mythological tale of bad leadership.

of the inability to recognize and have the humility to pivot, if you will, or to change inside of your course of actions and command because of either your own denial or own ego or whatever it might be is the observation from a casual viewer of myself like this, does that correlate with the way you conducted your analysis? >> certainly, to put one's ego aside and realize that there are lives you're responsible for is something that that captain has to take into account. and giving the order to abandon ship is one of the most gut-wrenching decisions he could ever have to make. >> and your view based on the analysis that you have conducted as to -- actually, forget your view. what is the protocol? is there a protocol at which that individual must order

abandon ship regardless of how it might reflect on how they have been driving the ship or any variable that may ultimately fall to their responsibility that occurred prior? >> well, the decision to abandon ship ultimately rests with the master. in his mind, if conditions on the ship are such that he doesn't think that people can survive on board, then he's obliged to give the order to abandon ship. and that order needs to be given in enough time for everybody to be accounted for and to board the lifeboat ship with everybody escaping. >> so the threshold for the decision, as soon as it appears that the risk of loss of life off the boat is lower than it is on the boat, that's the sort of judgment around which any ship captain is deciding.

is that correct? >> that's ultimately the decision he would have to make. are my chances of survival better in the lifeboats than they are on board the ship? >> and how much of that process is revealed in this piece that you led for discovery? >> well, it seems that the order to abandon ship may have been delayed. the ship was taking on water and beginning to list to the star board side of the ship. and that caused some of the lifeboats to have some difficulty in launching because of the severe angle that she was listing. >> when you look at what is possible in the modern day, which is really the only reason we're able to have this conversation, where you have camera footage inside of a large commercial cruise liner, a very familiar experience to a lot of

people around the world, you think about sort of the nightmares that people conjure around the titanic and all of this. what do you believe we will learn by experiencing what is presented in this video and really learn about the core characteristics of leadership in making difficult decisions, whatever the decisions were on this particular ship? >> one of the things i think we'll take away in terms of leadership is that the captain really needs to, um, put his ego aside in evaluating the situation that's going on there and realize that the lives of thousands of people are in his hands. and he needs to make decisions

that are in their best interests and not necessarily his. >> and is there any parallel to the research around the "titanic"? it had a tremendous amount of ego. the certainty of its grandeur amplifies the irony of the tragedy. and we see a lot of leadership, and i don't mean to take you to a place that's less comfortable, so you have no obligation to do this. you look broadly at corporate leadership, all the leadership in this country and really in the world, it seems like there's a tendency in a lot of leaders to skew towards self-preservation or their sense of self-preservation at the expense for whom they have assumed responsibility. and i'm interested in whether you feel that i'm going too far in sort of offering that as a journalist as an observation? >> i would say that as a

practicing mariner, as someone who has been captain of his own ship and i'm sure many of my fellow mariners would agree with me, the safety of the ship and of the crew is of utmost importance to you. you will do anything in your power to keep them safe. you just have to be in that position and be prepared to deal with the consequences. >> what would you say of other leaderships of this country, outside of discipline and danger that you're forced to work in, obviously, with a large set of risks and very fatal consequences, at a lower threshold, what would you say is something we could all learn about leadership that is so essential to your function and all our maritime captain's function on the water around the world? >> to lead by example is something. certainly that we teach our

cadets at the academy. to take care of your people. and they will take care of you. >> thank you, captain michael burns out of the massachusetts maritime academy. there's the piece. "cruise ship disaster inside the concordia." all sorts of footage included in that on sunday at 10:00 p.m. thank you for indulging my questions. coming up, drawing the line. the fight building in states across the country that could have a very big impact on 2012 elections. if i control the electoral districts. and jimmy fallon is on board with the 30 million jobs. so what is your experiment? >> if you get more, can you collect others? come back and let's plug these

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without much fanfare, scott walker signed his state's redistricting maps into law thursday. that means voting groups are are now lining up for lawsuits claiming the new maps are unconstitutional because they put black democrats in the minority, diluting the minority vote. it's not just florida, however. this is happening all across the south as states redraw their

maps after the recent census. critics say the gop's southern strategy is gerrymandering at its worst. if you think the democrats are much better, don't get too excited. the nation's recent cover story label it is an attack of the idea of integration. they are framing the piece written by ari burrman along with the other ari. hello to you the other ari. >> i don't know what kind of message that sends when we have the other ari and i get bumped into a side room. >> especially for the show that claims to be fighting two sets of rules only to create exactly that. one set of rules for the ari we like and who has his content and the other set of rules for the other ari, as we like to call him. >> i don't even know where i fit

in. >> the people think you're here because of your beautiful face and long hair. that's why you surprise them when you start saying things. this whole thing is a magic trick we're doing. your premise is very simple, which is that there are six one million ents of the 1% who account for 80% of all the political money, which is 196 people. so you have done what i have talked about with dr. brenner and you have hot spotted pl political spending and identified the data. 196 people spending 86% of the money. >> giving the money to super pacs. yeah. >> so let's talk about redistricting. this hot spotting thing makes me nuts. we're going to meet with those people. tell us about how the redistricting is getting worse not better and why that further

disconnects the voters. >> redistricting happens every ten years. we know that based on the census. both parties gerrymander based on who is in control. one of the interesting trends in this election cycle in particular is republicans control virtually the entire south. which is different than in the past. now they are in control. what they are doing is drawing the districts in such a way to put as many democrats into as few districts as possible. . the rest of the districts are controlled by white republicans. we have an issue of redistricting where we're creating a black democratic party and a white republican party in the south for the next decade. >> the interesting thing, krystal, people are catching on to this. this is the chicanery that people are catching on to. you have open primaries now -- excuse me.

a nonpartisan redistricting council. nonpartisan redistricting council in iowa. increasing efforts to redistrict to get more nonpartisan redistricting in florida, for instance. what can we do collectively to confront the obvious corruption of our democracy. >> we do still live in a democracy where we have actually seen some demonstrations over the past couple weeks where the peoples' voice has really mattered. the redistricting piece is so important. ari, a brilliant job presenting this. but it's part of a broader war for the gop in particular to hold on to their power base. what we have seen kbr wr they have taken over is not only the gerrymandering, it's also harsh antiillegal immigration

techniques. we have also seen the restrictive voter i.d. laws to further narrow the pool of voters. and then we have seen on the same track this focus on women's rights and social issues to try to distract from the real problems and keep their working class base that's voting against their own interests in line. >> the nice thing with that, ari, and i'm sure you appreciate what she said is that she's an optimist. >> it's hard to be an optimist. the electoral process is being manipulated. >> i got it. >> in terms of where the money comes from. and political power is concentrated in fewer and fewer areas. protecting incumbent members in congress. >> so is the other ari still here? how are you? >> i'm good. >> i want you to finish this up for us. we have quite a pickle on our hands. here's the problem. you have politicians who can

draw their own districts to preserve themselves while they are simultaneously taking money from 196 people who provide the money for the super pacs. both parties in our congress now hold a 10% approval rating. their incentive to pursue more manipulative, more redistricting, more money, more of the power of manipulation is exploding because of the overrejection of the power base that's represented historically not only by the gop but the democratic party as they witness the absurdity of two bad options and fight with each other. i respect krystal's point, but to indict the democrats, if the gop is so out to lunch and nobody cares about it, then igno ignore them. but don't get into the fight. how do we solve the issue of this desperate self-preservation that's starting to emerge?

>> the problem that in most states, we have systems where they are picking the voers first. those groups get to exercise not a meaningful choice. what the article shows is the very explicit, cynical, and unconstitutional way that race is being used and abused by republican caucuses in several of the states. in addition to that, we should be pessimistic about both parties. separate from race, because i don't think they have that problem now, both parties are using partisanship and political affiliation to try to pick their voters. and the supreme court on voter i.d., which krystal mentioned, has not been aggressive outside of the area of race. so what can we be optimistic about? two things. number one, the districts were redesigned to concentrate black votes districts because it was taken as a given that you

couldn't get lelkt zed as a black american without a majority district. now that's turned on its head. we're seeing a packing in black voters in areas where black members of congress are saying i don't need that. i'm doing fine with a diverse district. that's a good thing. the second point is we need nonpartisan district allocation in every state, which is a state-level reform. you can't have them pick their own voters. >> as a matter of national principle f we proclaim to be a democracy, you would believe that everything we do would try to aspire to a more diverse and more sort of representative district you could hear better, not a more consolidated district you can hear less. >> the irony is that america is becoming more diverse. we have more choices in general as a country. but politically, we're becoming less integrated.

so there's this clashover the america we think we should be and the america that we now are politically based on redistricting, campaign finance, and other issues. >> we're not applying that we're benefitting from our personal lives as we meet all these people. all the culture of expermutat n expermutation. one of the thing that is reflecting the commercial marketplace is the fact that while we once thought of ourselves as the product when it comes to google or when it comes to facebook, we're learning through the $100 billion facebook tick. that we may not be the product, krystal, we may be the capital. we actually are the capital that is being sold. it is our content that facebook is selling to the public for their compensation. and obviously, the value that we

represent is so high that we're getting incredibly invasive practices from all of the digital atmosphere. thoughts on sort of the cultural change we'll go through in the next few years to shift the community's value from being a predator or something to be consumed to actually being the capital. >> it's been kind of shocking how so much of this has happened under the radar. google changed their privacy policy so they could share information across their platforms. that was made very public. and there was pushback. but at least it was public. what we're seeing now is they are also doing things sneakily below the surface that we don't even know is going on. so in some ways, i think this is a little bit of a generational thing. younger people are more comfortable with having all their information out there than older people. but we need to all become educated about what the risks are and what we can do legislatively to push back. >> here's my issue with this.

if you do not have the visibility in the contract or if you invoke new terms of the contract after i have made you dependent on the product, you are a greedy bastard. this is why i wrote the book. i'm sorry, but the very premise, if you look ari melber if you look at what they are doing, it is not transparent to the customer and it's being applied in the leverage after people have enrommed in whatever they suckered them into. >> that's right. you talk about how it slices fees and forces them to extract money from people woud any service provided. there's a rough analogy here. if you let a cable guy here once and he leaves, if. you come back and find him in your house, you're going to be really upset. you're going to say i let you in once. that didn't mean you could come back. most people would be enraged.

>> then he sells what he learned on wall street for $100 billion. >> that's where i'm going. the stuff with facebook is not what people knowingly signed up for. they are taking stuff that's precious to you. they are running with it. you may never even know it happened, which i consider doubly bad. this is serious. although it's in a new space where we don't have the outrage developed to understand it. >> technology is not creating more transparency. >> it's a good thing we have free press and young folks to talk about it. stick around. if you can't buy an election, our specialist will tell you even if you don't have the money, you're not on the list of 196, we have a trick as to how ca an accident doesn't have to slow you down.

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we all know the 2012 selection an auction. ari said 80% of the money comes from 196 people. mitt romney is offering up his son craig for a date in exchange for campaign donations. team romney sent out the pitch for the march 1st republican presidential debate in arizona. the letter signed by craig romney himself. a $5 donation will enter you my lucky american friends for a chance to be his date. now if you can't win that auction or the presidential auction, you still can be a player in american politics. let's ask our specialist, phillip freeman. here's professor of classics in luther, iowa. he also translated into i think lish. he's here to convince that money in gerrymandering have not taken away our connection to the

electorate because we have this trusty guide that can be used by any of us to ensure that we can acquire political authority. so professor, we are delighted to learn these techniques you have divined through your translations. why should we be optimistic to bypass the obstacles we have laid out? >> he was a man who didn't have very much money. he was a great speaker, but he didn't know how to win an election. so his brother, who was a much more of a man of the streets, wrote had handbook and gave him advice about techniques in order to win an election 2,000 yeerds ago, which i think still applied today. >> the first one, call in a great order. let's flash through the rest of these. >> hi, professor. ari berman. i want to shout out to my home state of iowa, where i know you are now. how did money in politics in

ancient rome compare to money in politics in today. were there super pacs of the sort in ancient rome? >> of a sort, there really were. in ancient rome, the political system was controlled by a few wealthy families and also the whole voting system was rigged so people voted according to their economic stations. you had the rich people vote first and if they collected enough votes, they wouldn't even bother to count the votes of the poor people. >> i have one, dylan. you talk about this book that back in sis row's time it would be great to make promises. that sounds what politicians do today, but actually we have so much video record and even youtube that it's become common to take the contradictions of the politicians promising one thing and flip-flopping, you see it on "the daily show."

what it does is make people feel cynical. i don't know is getting caught is the way they deliver promises, but clearly they are not as able to do it without any kind of notice as back in the day. isn't that something that's changed? >> absolutely. that has changed in the last few decades. certainly. nowadays, it is difficult to get away with such hypocrisy as it was earlier. >> this is krystal ball. i have a related question. one of the items you also said was appeal to a broad base. and that particular one for me in the modern era with what we're talking about with redistricting and appealing to special interest groups and people giving you money, do you think that holds true today or is that trying to appeal to a broad base less important than it used to be? >> it certainly was important in ancient rome. i think it still is.

you see politicians focusing more and more on their narrow base. imagine when the general election comes about. mitt romney gets the republican nomination, we'll start appealing to a much broader base. >> brilliant thought from iowa. the theme of today's television show. thanks to -- what do we call people from iowa? >> iowans. you should know that. come on. >> thanks to some iowans. professor, thank you so much for your time this afternoon. we thank iowa for the iowans that they have sent to us to help fix this nation. and you can see the book there "how to win an election." we also thank the noniowans on the panel. the other ari, as we like to call him. and krystal ball. ari's thoughts available all over the internet. and he's also a lawyer.

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2007 u.s. apache helicopter. they are seen repeatedly firing on a group of armed insurgents. instead it was a reuters photographer, his driver, and a group of iraqi civilians. the army mistook the photographer's camera, they say, for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. it's a lesson for all of us on funding foreign wars. and "caught on camera" is on the front lines of the war with some of that disturbing reality. >> come on. fire. >> when you listen to the audio, when you go through the entire thing and listen to it in its entirety, you get a sense of

detachment. also like a video game. >> as controversial as that military video is, there's more. >> there's at least six individuals in that building with weapons. >> they say well let's hit it with a hell fire missile. they are getting ready to fire the missile and on the screen, you see a guy just randomly walk into the scene. they don't say stop, don't fire. they shoot off the missile, and it went. >> target hit. it was a missile. >> an iraqi citizen looks to be walking down the road minding his own business and then one second he's there, one second he's not. as far as i can tell, he's vapor rised.

there was nothing left. >> as you saw there, our friend of the show, tony schaffer is featured in that video. we talked about this a couple years ago. the threshold that we defined at that point, which i think we should revisit. which is do the american politicians and do the american people understand the reality of what their policy or fear-based or ego-based decisions may be when it comes to allocating military resources and do they understand the consequences for foreign nations? and also for our own soldiers as we put them in these environments that no one who has not been in those environments will ever be able to comprehend. >> i've been there. let me say this to be clear. the technology is far advanced our ability to restrain our own ability to use it. and i think having been there,

dylan, it's painfully clear we have to be careful on when we take life and why we do it. we're supposed to be the good guys. this is one of the things -- this is not a right or left issue. this is a right or wrong issue. and the right thing here is to call for accountability when we make mistakes. and let me be clear to your audience. we are analysts. my job is to get information. i'm going to tell this officer and dead men don't tell any tales. and when you kill an innocent citizen, what does that tell the rest of the world? why are we doing this? we have to be careful. we have to be self-policing. if we make a mistake, god bless us, we have it own up to it and correct it as soon as possible. >> there's an interesting dynamic just what i have learned from dealing with the right on crime people and tim dunn and mark meckler and ben chavis, around criminal justice. out of fear, we respond through a culture that's very aggressive, puts a lot of people

in jail, and may have a beneficial effect for some period of time. in the long run, we're manufacturing prison culture and exporting it back to our own communities while bankrupting ourselves. i wonder how much the same psychological profile of the decision making, which is yippee, annihilate whatever is scaring us, and in indulging that, we're directly contributing to our own endangerment and diminished reputation. >> those become essentially recruiting training grounds to make the criminals better. that's what we have done here. >> that we're paying for. >> we're paying for. radicalization of muslims happens in prison. the same thing is happening with the military culture in many ways. we have walked away from the high ethics we had during world war ii. one of the things i have believered in, and my book, i

have several times where i almost instances i almost shot an eight-year-old kid. i chose to be more careful in applying the force. i don't want to second guess anybody, but this is a case where there were multiple mistakes. if you give the original mistake of mistaking the camera for a weapon, but there was a van showing up with kids being shot. this is where we are obligated as a modern society, and i'm a conservative. i believe in doing what's necessary to protect this country. but allowing the country to become like we're plyplaying it like a video game is not right. . >> the right answer in domestic the in chicago the folks in texas, ben chavis, his direct engagement and accountability through the culture is starting

at the gang level starting at the police department, how would that cultural repair work when it comes to the military? >> we have to take a step back and look at how we fight. part of this is that we got so involved in the conflicts not knowing what we're trying to achieve. the same in afghanistan. i don't think anybody can achieve what we're trying to achieve in afghanistan. secondly, we have to go down to the troop level, to the individual, and say you are a warrior. your job is to protect this country. when you use deadly force, you have to think twice about why you use it. part of the deal is for an intelligence officer, bring back as many alive as we can so we better understand our adversary. not seen as an empire out of control just killing people because we can. >> well, listen. you have been wonderful through the process for all of us as we sort of come into this revelation going back a couple

years. just to learn this and it's been critical to understand the distinction between the responsibility we bare to put people to create these environments is the most important thing to be looking at in these conversations. >> absolutely. >> thank you. tony schaffer, do not miss "caught on camera" at 8:00 eastern on msnbc. and we have a world premier planned for you. yes, i know the show is almost over. but tim carney's first ever daily rant before you have your friday night. online dating services can get kind of expensive. so to save-money, i found a new way to get my profile out there. check me out. everybody says i've got a friendly disposition and they love my spinach dip. 5 foot ten. still doing a little exploring... on it. my sign is sagittarius, i'm into spanish cheese, my hairline is receding but i'm getting a weave. (falsetto chorus) getting a weave.

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reject lobbyist money. not really. first, let's dispel this myth. while he brags that 98% of our donations are $250 or less, these statistics are meaningless. i crunched the numbers on the most recent filing and 79% of all donations came from people who had given the campaign $1,000 or more. when obama headlines the big fundraisers, most of the cash he hauls go to the national committee where the numbers are even starker. 85% of all money given to the dnc came from donors who have given $10,000. and the lobbyist ban? that's just a sham. ask a self-described government relations firm in downtown d.c. which gave $5,000 to obama's campaign and $30,800 to the dnc. that's okay because paren yell registered for a lobbying firm

just last year. plus some recently deregistered lobbyists and spouses of currently registered lobbyists. let's not pretend the political money stuff is a one-sided issue. both rely on special interest cash. the president's people talk of running a cleaner campaign, but the numbers and the facts tell a different story. dylan? >> a wonderful occasion to bring the whole show together. i want to make sure i understand it correctly. what you're saying is that while most of the -- while the number of donors in the obama campaign giving small numbers is a lot of people, that most of the money comes from a small group of people. >> that's half way there. most of the donations are small. there are some donors who gave $3 donations last month bring the total up to $10,000.

so each time you give $3 to win a lunch with president obama, that's one of these donations that they are counting. >> so what you're suggesting is that there's an interesting marketing trick. you get the headline that says look at our small donors. we're the peoples' politician. >> but there's a slice of donors that's very small. >> it's the 196 people that our buddy ari talks about that's powering the engine of the machine. >> that's going to the fundraisers like today in washington. >> what you're suggesting then is to indict mitt romney or rick santorum or whoever it might be as sort of this layer of money and manipulation is a republican problem, you believe that's hypocrite call. >> you were the one that provided the adverbs, but you were saying the same thing. >> i'm going to agree with yo