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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. there are two million people behind bars in america. we open the gates. lockup. >> prison is not a nice place. >> his life went in a different direction, ended up here. >> i wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. >> you act like you so high on a pedestal so much perfect than
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everybody. >> aggravated sex offense. >> 21 years for manslaughter. >> he is not trained to kill he is trained to apprehend. >> i am comfortable on the lines, i have my guns. >> you never know what could happen. >> the judge says her final summation, you are nothing mr. baker, but a pebble in the pond. you're nothing but poor white trash. in rural louisiana halfway between new orleans and baton riej is the second largest prison in the state, elaine hunt correctional center. the facility is relatively new, it opened in 1979. the look anything but modern. armed officers on horseback. work crews farming the land and no air conditioning. in the next hour meet some of the men doing time, including a former nfl player and two aspiring boxers that win the opportunity to compete against a
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rival prison. >> this is the entrance. this all male facility houses more than 2100 inmates. >> every monday and tuesday reception process will start about 5:30 in the morning. inmates come from various parish prisons and other doc facilities and all pool here. >> the men arriving today have been convicted of a wide range of crimes, everything from marijuana possession to murder. >> three kidnapping aggravated burglary. >> we have a lot of inmates come up and said i didn't do it they got me wrong. we're not here to judge. we're just here to make sure you serve your sentence out. >> new inmates are given a white
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jumpsuit, lined up single file for medical evaluation. >> what we're doing this morning is drawing blood for sexually transmitted diseases, syphilis gonorrhea, that type of thing. >> prison policy mandates all incoming prisoners have head shaved and all facial hair removed. >> i came here in '86 for aggravated burglary got 30 years. every time they come through, you have to have it cut. even though they just did this little under two years ago. they think you change i guess. >> as the final step in processing inmates are given housing assignments ranging from general population to more secure units. because the prison has zero tolerance for infractions any
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form of misconduct can send a prisoner to extended lockdown where they spend up to 23 hours a day confined in their cells. >> d one is maximum security in the institution. house the worst of the worst inmates, inmates that can't abide by the rules, can't get along with other inmates within the institution. >> ryan stinston convicted of nine counts of burglary, possession of stolen property is in extended lockdown for breaking one of the prison's cardinal rules. >> i am here for aggravated sex offense. copulation with another inmate. we was in a cell with each other, and i did sexual favors for him, and one night the sergeant come down and caught us. >> sexual activity in this institution is against the rules, it is forbidden. those that get involved with homosexual relationships, it is very serious, we treat it as such.
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i would say it would happen once or twice a month where an officer actually has to cite somebody for doing that. >> i'm homosexual. i've been homosexual all my life. it's kind of hard because i like to wear makeup, do my eyebrows wear certain clothes but due to certain policies we're not able to do this. it puts us in an awkward position you know what i'm saying? >> once inmates complete their time in extended lockdown, they transfer to the working cell block. a 90 day transitional housing unit where prisoners must earn the right to return to general population. one of the inmates here is 24-year-old amad lawrence who goes by the nickname pimp. >> my nickname pimp and all, got it from my big brother and cousins, me having a lot of leaders when i was young with the girlfriends. that's how i got the name because it really didn't matter
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what i did, or how i did it i still kept it. >> incarcerated four years ago on a cocaine charge, he is doing time in the working cell block for allegedly selling drugs in prison. >> i was in general population, got into something, somebody went and told the lieutenant colonel some drugs were being sold on the compound. they ended up finding me guilty, sending me to extended lockdown. i won my appeal, and i come to the working cell block. now i'm doing 90 days, and i'm be on the compound floor. >> if and when he earns the right to return to general population with good behavior, he could eventually be placed here in the prison's most coveted living quarters. >> this is a trusting housing unit. there are no bars. inmates have a little more freedom here. still locked in at night at count times, they have to sit on the bed and be counted. they do have a microwave they can use, they do have the
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television, where they plug in where it is quiet. sound you hear now is basically what you hear any time of day or night. >> what's up eugene francis. >> while inmates are awarded certain freedoms for good behavior officers and staff never underestimate how dangerous many of the men can be. >> we are dealing with inmates. they're here because they committed a felony. >> coming into the institution every day, i am always on alert. i know i am walking into a college campus. i'm scared every day because this is prison. i don't take this lightly. >> mock extractions are performed as training exercises. this particular drill is a tier extraction, when an inmate is out of his cell, loose in the hallway. >> you take the officer, put him in a suit make him, he'll pose as the inmate. we will dictate the scenario to him. he'll pose whatever threats we
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put up against a team. a team will go in and extract him. >> ready? >> ready. >> the mock inmate's objective is to get past the officers and out the door. the team's objective is to restrain the inmate with as little injury as possible. >> controlled aggression. you can't go fast. he don't have a hostage, just him. take your time. worst thing you do get separated as an officer as a one on one. you ready? >> they are going to stack up side by side, have electronic capture shield and conventional shields. they will close the space in on the inmate until he basically has nowhere else to go. >> in case exercises get out of hand, officers use the code word red to stop all action.
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>> you all right? >> i'm all right. >> another way officers stay prepared is through arms training. full scale drills give tactical squads the chance to keep them from reaching the outer perimeter. >> very tight team, a chase team, made up of correctional officers. we have dogs that's been trained on tracking. >> trained dogs play an important role in elaine hunt. this one tracked down an officer posing as an escaped inmate. >> i have just been the real deal. dog caught within five or six minutes. subject wouldn't have got off the grounds. >> one of the newest dogs at the prison is canine robbie. >> robbie. heel. >> robbie is not trained to kill. he is trained to help apprehend
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the individual that may be hiding in a building or is not cooperating with orders given to him. if the individual is still fighting, then the dog has to be physically removed because the individual is moving. the dog won't come off. i consider canine robbie as a partner. i feel confident is going to assist mere. >> that's a good boy. up next one inmate's fall from football stardom to a life behind bars. >> i lost my family. that's the biggest thing i deal with every day. mornin'. i guess i'm helping them save hundreds on car insurance. it probably also doesn't hurt that i'm a world-famous advertising icon. cheers! i mean, who wouldn't want a piece of that? geico. ah...
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at first glance someone might mistake this for a college football training camp. but this team is made up of inmates from elayn hunt
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correctional facility. >> we felt if we keep the inmates busy, they stay out of trouble. >> boys help manage the inmates gives them something to do. helps people to learn to work together. and to me good sportsmanship makes a good person. >> we have a full time sports director who organized team sports like football, basketball soccer, baseball. even a boxing team. >> among the players on the elayn hunt football team is the prison's most famous inmate. >> my name is ramsey, i been here five years, serving 32 year sentence for simple burglary. i admit i commit crime as far as being a bad person, i don't think i'm a bad person. i think i allowed drug addiction to cause me to make bad decisions, and i stole for drugs. >> he's known here in south
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louisiana, mostly because he was a big time football player at lsu, encounter a hometown hero. >> i come from a small time cecile i can't, louisiana only time you see a red light in cecile ee a around christmas time, probably that small. >> in the 1993 nfl draft, dardar was picked by the cardinals and then played with the oilers. >> played with great warren moon, guys like that. played for the man in black. jerry glanfield. >> number 44 for the washington redskins. this here is herschel walker, 1981. i can name you a few famous guys that got a few of the scars on me. >> ramsey's football career ended when a neck injury forced
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him to retire. >> from there it was like i guess downhill, convicted in '91. got out. stayed out about a year, and here i go again. i chose drugs socially trying it out with the crowd, you know. ended up hooked. i feel like i let a lot of people down. i'm just trying to do what i can do now to try to, you know regain some of that swagger back. i'm getting kind of old. but i still have faith one day i could, you know get back out and maybe contribute something to society. everybody knows prison is not a nice place. football helps me get away from
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the pressure of being locked up. >> he spends much of his time mentoring inmates on and off the field. >> look up to him listen to him. follow his lead in a lot of ways, especially in sports. he is like the coach and the player. >> let's go baby let's go. get it together. let's get it right. >> this is mr. callaway better known as kiki the bullet. he's an awesome man. like i said, i played with some of the best athletes. he is one of the best i played with. >> i started to play on and off the field, perfect role model. he been to levels i dreamed about getting to. i been incarcerated since young age, 16. now 28. all i did all my life was play
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sports. i am in here for manslaughter. a faulty mistake. i was just young. >> with less than six months to serve on his manslaughter charge, he says prison has taught him not to judge people. >> everybody in jail not criminals, everybody in jail not animals, everybody incarcerated is not a warlock or demon. everybody has faults. it is just of all mistakes you took the wrong turn. >> for ramsey one wrong turn cost him more than just his freedom. >> i lost my family, you know. coming to prison. that's the biggest thing, you know biggest thing i deal with every day. >> there's my queen. lost her but i can get her back. i trust, i believe.
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in louisiana, farming has been a long time tradition at correctional facilities throughout the state, including elayn hunt. >> we have a farm here, grow food. that's why food costs are low, we have a lot of food products. >> a crew of inmates prepares for a day of grueling work in the fields adjacent to the prison. several armed officers on horseback supervise. for security purposes, all inmates are first lined up,
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counted, and frisked for contraband. after the count is checked and double checked, officers and inmates make their way to the supply depot where they retrieve water jugs for the hot, humid day in the fields. they will also collect tools they'll need. >> knowing they have tools that they could easily use as weapons and they've done it before, it makes you watch your back. >> you get it like this and handle it like a razor blade there. i learned that sharpening knives on the floor in the cell. >> inmate joel baker convicted of triple homicide goes by the name white trash. >> the judge gave me my name kind of ironic upon sentencing i had be charged with three murders, drug deal gone bad in a hotel room they shot me, i shot them. the judge says in her final summation after the jury delivers the verdict, said a great injustice has been done on society this day.
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due to a conflict in the prosecution by the district attorney, you will remain in prison for the rest of your natural life. but you are nothing, mr. baker but a pebble in the pond. you're nothing but poor white trash. all my life, i was a bad boy. i look back and i see all the stupid mistakes that i made and i see the young people that's here at this prison and i hear all the stories because i listen, and i think to myself you do not know how fortunate you are. you're going out there with another chance, whether five years, ten years, you're getting another chance. i'll never get that chance. would i give my leg my arm, for that chance. i'm never going to get it. >> after assembling with tools, they begin the long march to the field where they will spend the day harvesting vegetables and picking weeds. each inmate earns two cents an
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hour. >> 63 acres of very long to be gardens we grow vegetables on. anything from squash tomatoes. >> they have a million pounds of crops per year, all used at the prison. >> early mornings, it is not so bad. ee get to have a little coolness in the air. as the day progresses humidity starts to go up, dewpoints go up, it tends to slow a loft them down. >> the company can reach up to 100 degrees. the mounted officers keep watch over them are prepared for any trouble. >> go out on the lines, got my horse and my guns. inmates are intimidated by it.
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they probably feel i'm the danger. i got nothing to lose. what you going to do give me more time? i can't deal with what i got. you take back that sentence i got two more. take back the last, i still got 35. i am more of a threat to them than they are to me. >> to keep inmates from escaping. they form a square perimeter around the farm detail placing themselves in opposite corners. inside the square unarmed guards line pushers, supervise inmates. >> the young guard you see out here he has the area towards us and also the area going the opposite way 90 degrees. the other guard in this area here, he has 90 degree angle the other way, which watches the two lines that way. >> the gun line is there for inmates so they know what not to cross. >> the gun line is an imaginary boundary an inmate that gets
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too close to the line is verbally warned. if he continues a warning shot is fired. if he fails to heed the warning officers are authorized to wound the inmate to stop him. >> we had at one time where inmate took off running. we had to run them down and just run them down and caught them. my career which spans over 27 years, i've never had to use deadly force. >> in addition to preventing escapes, gun guards must be prepared to protect the line pusher. >> the pusher he has to work the inmates, tell the inmates what to do different than the gun boys. the gun boys just make sure they stay in the area. >> chris worked in the field for six months. recently, he changed positions from being a gun guard to becoming a line pusher. >> he is a line pusher. i don't carry a weapon. when you go from being a gun guard carrying two weapons to line pushing and lose that security blanket, it is not a good feeling in your gut.
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>> i want all that grass out the front. >> we watch these guys make sure they're working. it is a mind game really. they'll test you. and you just got to keep up with them. five four three two one, work your way back. make it in your head you're not out here playing. you have to put your foot down let them know you mean business. >> as their day of hard labor comes to an end they load vegetables on flatbed trucks assemble in lines and begin the journey back to the prison. >> fun to break the law, dance with the devil but when you got to pay the fiddler, ain't nothing nice trust me. i'm living it. coming up inmates try to
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i'm veronica dela cruise. president obama says congress did the right thing vote to go extend tax cuts. he says he will sign the bill when he returns from the west coast. many republicans are upset it will add billions to the deficit. and as promised new jersey governor chris christie rejected a bill for same sex marriage. they have until january 2014 to override that veto. he promised to veto it if one got to his desk. now back to lockup. many prisons in the country offer military style reform programs called boot camp. the elayn hunt correctional center claims its boot camp is one of the best. 200 inmates in the rigorous challenging program can reduce
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sentences by successfully completing the course. you'll see it often comes at a heavy price. the boot camp program at elaine hunt is called impact. >> in my honest opinion, this is the best form of rehabilitation offered by the department of corrections. >> for every 100 inmates that complete the program, the state of louisiana says it saves more than a million dollars. to qualify for impact participants must be nonviolent offenders and free of pending felony charges. >> what motivated me to be in impact i was trying to make a change in my life. i am in for possession of marijuana, my second felony. people used to tell me on the street i was addicted to marijuana. i was like no, i use it because i don't want to feel this pain and that pain. truth was, it may have started as that reason, but after so
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long of using it, i truly became addicted to it. after the first two possession charges i got, i never got any help or tried to make any stride to change it. i really want to get over my addiction because i know all it did was harm my body harm my mind mentally. >> impact staff feel the program can help trainees like goss overcome dependency on drugs. >> these guys can't drink, can't smoke a joint occasionally, they can't work all week decide i just want to pick up a six pack of beer and drink it in my house. they don't have that opportunity any more. >> not everyone is cut out for the rigorous requirements of impact. participating inmates must submit themselves entirely to their superiors or be expelled. >> i wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy. it is not no place for anybody to be. i mean where you got to be told when you can eat, when you can
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go to the bathroom, when you got to shower, you got to be within arm's distance of another man at all times. so i mean it is just not a place anybody would really want to be. >> we're not trying to punish you, trying to enhance your penalties for coming to jail. we're trying to make it so that five years from now we run into you on the street and you're just a normal working tax paying citizen. >> along with discipline you're teaching them there's more to doing. they can educate themselves, get jobs, learn how to be better parents. we are giving them a sense of responsibility. you can do this the right way it is going to pay off. you don't have to just sell drugs to feel important. >> i used to drive a cadillac.
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now i pack it on my back. they got me looking like goemer pile. >> one of the distinct features of the program at elayn hunt is that it allows female inmates from a nearby women's correctional facility to participate alongside the men. >> louisiana correctional institute for women sits about a quarter mile to half mile down the road from us. it's easy for us to get the females here and get them back to the women's prison at night. >> bravo company is one of the six impact platoons. among inmates that makeup bravo is female trainee teresa warren. >> 22 years old. been in impact three months now. my charters are access device fraud, identity fraud, computer fraud, forgery. i was sentenced seven years did a plea bargain. i asked for impact.
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>> good morning, bravo. trainee warren. >> she's the only female in bravo company, was recently appointed squad leader. >> females are always struggling. they always put us in the front, want us to lead. so it is pressure on the females because we have to meet up to that standard, you know, when you're tired, you have to dig deep and say i'm trying to go home. i have to do this. >> help themselves and each other. >> among activities in impact's regime is conflict resolution exercise called community group in which members of a platoon can openly confront each other and air grievances. >> since you been a control leader, i feel like you only looking out for yourself, not worried about the platoon. and i feel like being in this platoon, you can't do that. >> i mean you got to start talking and communicating with people instead of giving this attitude like you don't care what's going on with them. we're a family. we got to make it through this one way or another. >> it is teresa's turn in
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community group. >> you act like you so high on the pedestal. so much better than everybody. and you got to realize that, you know, you be like a big show, like you running everything, that ain't cool you know? lot of people feel the same way i feel, that they just might not feel they can say without repercussions. i bit my tongue too long now. i am speak tg out. >> i never claimed i was perfect. if i was perfect i wouldn't be here. every day i have to watch everything i do because they watch me because i'm the only female. i don't have a chance to go individually and talk to y'all. and i don't think i am better than anyone else in here. if i was, i wouldn't be here. i feel like i do put the team first. i don't try, i purposely don't try to stick anybody out. >> don't take it personally. i'm just saying how i feel. you know how i am i speak my mind. >> at first i looked at it like man, it is a brat. as i got to know you, i am not
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on that one track mind. i am looking for different views. keep doing what you doing. you drive hard. love you for it. bravo sister i love you, keep doing what you're doing. she a big broad in three years but doing what she got to do to hold us together. >> trainee warren was a good trainee as far as we're concerned. we all as a platoon we like her. we like her because of the fact that she's a strong woman. not going to say young lady because she's a woman by the way she acts with everybody. we all have a deep respect for her. >> she is one of the females that just kind of fallen by the wayside, trying to find her way. now that she's in impact, she's pulling her own weight, learning how to get along with others, and as far as physical fitness, she's adjusting also. >> while some critics may question whether six months of military style boot camp can
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change a criminal's ways, the prison says it's research shows more than 62% of elayn hunt impact graduates are out of prison and working in the community. >> we don't want them to come back, you know, we're trying to initiate programs that will help keep them out of prison and stop coming back. coming up. an inmate tries to box his way out of prison. >> get me out of jail. i'm willing to fight for free for two years. oh! [ baby crying ] ♪ ♪ what started as a whisper ♪ every day, millions of people choose to do the right thing. ♪ slowly turned to a scream ♪ there's an insurance company that does that, too. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? ♪ amen, omen ♪
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every day at elayn hunt correctional center in louisiana, the kitchen staff is challenged with cooking for the 2100 inmates and 750 correctional staff members that work here. over the course of a year, some two and a half million meals are prepared by inmates in this kitchen, serving staple foods and sides like corn bread and chocolate chip cookies can be expensive, but elayn hunt manages to keep costs down, in part because they grow much of their own food on site. >> i am proud to say we have one of the lowest food costs per day in the state. food costs 1.31 a day, not one meal, but three hot meals a day. >> while general population prisoners eat in mess halls inmates locked up for rule infractions have meals brought to their cells.
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>> all right let's go. you got an apron on. need to take the apron off. >> sergeant kimberly smith oversees transporting food items. >> we are on the way to unit three where they don't come out of cells to eat, they eat in the cells. all five carts will be taken to the gate on unit three all the inmates will be given a tray through their hatch on the cells. once they have eaten, they pick everything back up. everything will come back into the chou cart, brought back to the kitchen. what will be recleaned and sanitized will be used for her next feeting. >> one of sergeant smith's most important jobs is keeping track of many cooking utensils used to prepare food. >> utensils look like they're regular kitchen utensils. what's important to remember here in this facility and any
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other facility is that these actually could be turned into weapons very very easily and they can be sharpened down taken apart, any number of things can be done to these. so we're very particular about keeping track of every utensil we have making sure everything matches with utensil numbers and everything. >> curtis merills is allowed to handle dangerous utensils. chances are if he wanted to hurt someone, he would save it for the ring. curtis is serving a 25 year sentence for robbery. he started boxing to relieve stress. >> i chose to go off the wrong side of the road. result of that, i lost my wife my kids. i made one decision, one bad decision. got me 25 years, which i'll be 48 when i get out. i was 22 when i came in here. >> the program at the prison gives inmates the opportunity to box against fighters from rival
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institutions. in a few days curtis will travel with the boxing team to a nearby state penitentiary where he will compete for the title in his weight division. >> to get in the ring and fight, you got to be stone warrior to fight, especially in prison fight, because i think it is more harder than professional fights. if i take this belt if i win, i'm the man. i mean, anybody, nobody beat this cat for three to four years, and if i beat him, i'm the big man on the compound. everybody tell me that. >> one way curtis draws inspiration is through his family. two days before this fight, curtis' mother, sister and niece traveled to elayn hunt to wish him their best. >> i try to visit every other weekend. in the beginning it was real hard because i knew i had to
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leave him here. now it's getting better because i realize that it was just a mistake that he made and it's just something we're learning to cope with. we're behind him, with him and whatever it takes for us to see him through this then that's what we going to do. and once he is released we'll be released. to me, he's the heavy weight champion of the world. he is going to knock him out. >> his opponent is in prison for robbery, not scheduled for release until 2020. his chances of fighting professionally are all but lost. however, derrick knows fight promoters often attend boxing matches between louisiana prisons. >> hopefully the right people see me boxing like what they see, help me out of this situation i am in. in here fighting for nothing.
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i am not benefitting nothing from fighting up in here. if somebody likes the way i fight, that's -- to promote out there, willing to help me fight, i am willing to fight for free for two years. just get me out of jail. >> his nickname is the outlaw. he knows winning the next fight is critical. >> i am fighting, going to pretend to fight. if i win next time i fight in september, i fight for the belt, which is good. i'm going to win. they ain't seen me in a while. i ain't fight none this year. i fought last year not this year. everybody knows i can fight. >> as members of hunt's boxing team derik spar with one another, never fight. >> we don't fight amongst same people we locked up with. so it ain't that bad. coming up. >> what you going to do tonight? >> smashed up. >> you heard it.
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it is fight day for the elayn hunt boxing team. only inmates that are well behaved and in good physical condition are allowed to fight. >> boxers are screened by medical before they're cleared to box. there are procedures in place before you can become a boxer. >> as they wait for the bus that transports them to a rival prison, the inmates are anxious to show off their talents. >> we have everything that is needed to win. >> derik rayborn has been waiting to get into the ring. >> outlaws, fast hands, fast feet. he will be hard to beat. with his endurance, the opponent
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will need life insurance. tell them what i say. what you going to do tonight? >> smash something. >> what we going to do? >> smash something. >> you heard it live from hunt correctional facility. >> i'm the outlaw. bringing the pain. i am ready to beat somebody up. i mean, i ain't fight in a while. i'm ready to go fight now. >> anticipating his own fight, curtis is more reserved. >> guy i supposed to fight pretty good, having the belt three, four years ain't nobody beat him yet. so i got my hands full. i been training like a mad russian. i think i got a good chance to beat him. >> when the bus arrives, hunt's 22 member boxing team sets out for angola state prison the site of today's title fight. due to filming restrictions placed on the camera crew by the prison officials we are only
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allowed to show inmates from elayn hunt. rayborn is the first to enter the ring. the fights are limited to three three minute rounds. round one comes to an end. derik appears sluggish, raising doubts about his conditioning. the bell rings for round two. both fighters come out swinging. as the second round comes to an end, they don't seem to notice
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the bell. with one round left derik's opponent appears to have a slight edge over him. this is the last round for derik to impress the judges. [ bell ]
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>> the final bell rings and the fighters return to their corners, waiting for the judges' decision. >> ladies and gentlemen, we have split decision. we have a winner. the number one contender in light heavy weight. >> they said split decision, i knew he had it. i was like oh, man i know he got it. they going to give it to him because they at home. >> it is now time for curtis merrells to step into the ring. stakes are high not only bragging rights but a title belt. both fighters start off slow in round one. neither impressing the judges.
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in round two, curtis is aggressive, lands more punches. in the final round, curtis starts to tire and his opponent gets some good hits in. >> now, ladies and gentlemen, by way of split decision.
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>> another split decision gives victory to the opponent. although the night is disappointing for derik and curtis, other members of the elayn hunt boxing team are successful. >> give it up for hunt correctional facility. >> one lose, you all lose. one win, we all win. i feel like a winner, brought home two belts. motivates me. i got to get out there, help them, too. i got to bring mine in too. >> least we could see things when we leave, we could see people out there. we could see things a bunch of people won't see that ain't boxing. they stay here every day, don't get to go nowhere. that's what i'm looking forward to.

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