to craig melvin who has been outside all day at the new hope baptist church, and i understand that the reverend joe watkins hamade his way over to, you and we were hoping that he would come to speak to you, because he was inside and at the funeral today. >> yes, alex. as you can see the folks are starting to file out of the new hope baptist church, so we will talk to a number of folks coming out, and reverend joe sitting down with me. you were inside and we have been talk about what this service seemed like as we watched. it seemed like a celebration of her life -- >> absolutely. >> reporter: a celebration of the voice, and what was it like on the inside? >> yes, a celebration of her life, and it was warm and very personal, and a lot of the people in the church were hurting, as i am, because i knew her. >> reporter: talk to me about that about how you came to know whitney houston and her family? >> i came to know her when i was white house aide to president

bush and i met her at a dinner for the united negro dinner, and she came up to everybody at the d dias, and she came right up to me, a staffer, and said, "hi, i'm whitney houston." and i thought it was amazing, because i was just an aide, and we brought her in to meet president bush, and her brother and mother, and then we did a special for "welcome home heroes" and then they hired me to work with them, and i traveled with them. >> reporter: a lot of folks probably don't know that after the famous performance of the "star spangled banner" in 1990, she became wildly pop ular with the u.s. service members in particular and spent time talking to the troops and the families as well. >> well, she did the great "star spangled banner in the super

bowl, and then the welcome home heros from the norfolk naval air force base with soldiers from all branchs of of the service with her, and they loved her as somebody patriotic and beautiful and great spirit. >> before the service started today, as we watch that gold hearse carrying whitney's body away from the church right now, i spent some time with the fans who were and presumably still are blocks away from the church, and some of the fans, of course, a lot of them talked about how great whitney houston were, but they were frustrated, frustrated because the closest they could get was four to five blocks from the church ashs a, and the fami the great lengths to keep it private. >> well they wanted to keep it from being a spectacle. they wanted a celebration of her

life and friends and family, and people who worked with her or for her, and there was still not room for everybody, because she had so many friends and the family did the right thing to make it a personal and private service and celebration of the life. it had been harder at an arena or someplace that held 20,000 or 30,000 people, and much harder to have the same special personal feeling that it had. >> and capacity at the new hope 1,500, and i imagine they were -- >> standing room only. in the aisles. >> yes. >> i am shurna the ball -- i am sure that the balcony had to be filled. >> we don't just call you reverend joe, but you are reverend joe watkins and we went to church all week and there was talk about what this service would be like. and i have been to a lot of funerals and seen a lots of funerals on television, but i don't know if i have heard that

much singing, and it was incredible. >> it was. when you have alicia keys and donnie mcclurken, and the winans and all of them singing and r. kelly sang, and stevie wonder, and they were singing from their hearts. it was wonderful. >> the highlight of the service for you? >> well, i don't know if there was a highlight, because everybody spoke in a beautiful way whether it was kevin costner or -- >> and he is the first of the speakers who got a standing ovation, and he really humanized her. when he talked about how vulnerable she felt auditioning for the "bodyguard" and that is not the whitney houston that we all saw and heard, and apparently she was like so many others --

>> very human like the rest of us. >> reporter: how do you think we will remember her? >> as one of the greatest voices if not the greatest voice of the century, and certainly as somebody who had a wonderful heart and a sweet spirit, and who used the gift that god gave her, and as a result of using that gift, she bless ed million of people around the world. >> reporter: there were a handful of vailed references to the demons and the devils that haunted whitney houston. especially throughout the later years of her life. but we didn't hear a lot of talk about that today. >> no, people wanted to remember the great things she did and the personal stories of how she helped and helped them personally and everybody acknowledging that we are all human and challenges, and she did, too, but we just thank god she is at rest right now. >> reverend joe watkins thank you so much. and appreciate your time. and alex, a number of folks coming out of the church, and as they do, we will get their

thoughts on the service as well and send them back to you. >> and greg, can you correct the reverend on one thing, because he is ever so modest, and he said he is a lowly white house staffer, but i am not sure there is a lowly white house staffer. you are awfully nice to make your way over, reverend joe. thank you. and we know you have more guests coming over, but as we have aerial views of the hearse leaving the new hope baptist church and we presume heading to the funeral home, but that is why we are keeping a close eye on, that and we want to bring in david wilson, because you spoke about the significance of whitney houston to the city of newark and you are a newark native and what did that mean to you? >> well, as tourre mentioned north and east orange and it is interest, because i am looking at the hearse going past the county college and all of the streets in newark where i walked

down these streets, and just looking at some of these people who are looking at it and taking photos of the hearse going by how much whitney houston meant for them and what she represented for so many young kids of new jersey and the hope that you can elevate and you can grow beyond your roots in new jersey and anything is possible. that is what she represented to me as a kid, and not just this generation, but other generations to come. >> and she owned newark, and she said this is my home and she felt a part of it, and if you look at it, a whole bun of of the family still residing there. and as we know, we are right in presuming that the hearse is returning to the funeral home. it is one of the two that we will talk about, but we believe that her body will rest there tonight before being interred tomorrow. what are there two funeral homes? >> well, there are two, williams

and perry. but that is right on dr. martin luther king boulevard and not far from my high school in north, but it is a main street in newark, and one that, you know, if you were newark, you definitely know someone who was buried or used the funeral services there. so even though it is an international star, and marvin winans spoke about cissy houstons bravery in choosing the church and newark, and this is where whitney came from. it takes a lot to resist the urge of having a big stadium, and there was talk of having this service at the prudential service. >> yes. >> but this felt right, and it felt intimate and like a church service. it really humanized whitney

houston. >> eo i absolutely agree with you. you heard reverend joe watkins who said it was a church service, and we were having discussions and chris and john farley were talking about this and that which we saw with michael jackson at the staples center with 20,000 to 30,000 people in attendance there. >> and we talk about michael jackson, but that story is not over, and people like michael jackson and tupac shakur, and aliyah and salena, and they have lives after the lives. people buy the albums in greater sums than when they were in life. with whitney houston we had a preview of the movie "sparkle" and it will be coming out, and we don't know what it will be about or what it will sound like, but she has a track record of the "bodyguard" and "waiting

to exhale" and some of the best soundtracks. and you is the believe with "sparkle" based on the music of curtis mayfield, and something that we will want to listen to. >> chris witherspoon, we talk about what is next and where the legacy goes, and we can't help but talk about bobbi kristina, and we saw her weeping in tend and embracing her and others, and you have to wonder about this girl who in the wake of her mother's death collapsed not once or twice requiring hospitalization. these two were so close. she only 18 years old. she still needs her mom. >> yes, and i think that i know that she yesterday there were pictures of her after the wake, and she looked great, and seems like she is back on her feet, and she was hospitalized twice this past week, and it has been rough for her, but she has a

strong memory of her mother that we will never know the intimacies that shes ha and we will never know that nonverbal part of her that she can cling to and know the special relationship. i'm curious about how if she can stand on her feet, and there is rumors of her with battles with addictions -- >> vehemently denied. >> yes, and i want to see if she can stay strong and keep up a public image and maybe the father bobby brown might pop up to have the support system, and the mother and the grandmother. and she looked great there. she was crying and weeping, but she was strong. >> and back to craig melvin who is on the scene, because craig, we have seen our very dear friend reverend al sharpton there in the line of the sight for the pool camera there, and we saw him making his way outside of the church, and we

hoped he had been coming to the sight there, and over there, an get a snapshot about coming out of the church, your feelings? >> well, i felt better walking out than walking in. i felt renewed after having spent time with whitney's family and friends. i think that her mother was right to bring the service back to the church where it started and having her roots and people who worked with her speak and remind us who she was at the core. so it gave us all a sense of renewal. we are still saddened and i spent time talking to sissy houston there in the church, and i hugged the daughter, but i think that the burden that is bearable when you are renewed by

the faith that is what whitney lived by a thabd is what the service was really saying today. >> reporter: and reverend, while we have you, i want to talk about something that was all over social media this afternoon while the service was going on, and reports that the ex-husband bob bobby brown had come to the church, and left the church and do you have any information on that? >> well, i called him on the cell phone and he said he has nothing but lo and respect and people have been trying to interfere with their relationship before and after the divorce. he is her ex-husband and he came to show love for the child and people should leave him alone. >> do you know what happened? >> i don't know what happened, but he was there with his cell

phone and he wanted to show love and respect, and he was trying to the do nothing but showing love and respect and wanted to be there to stand with the daughter, and give condolences. >> do you believe that he stayed for the ser is vis? >> i don't believe so. >> let me just ask, reverend, what did he tell you though on the phone? did he say where he was going? >> no, i won't get into, alex. i talked to him, and bishop jakes as ministers, because we were concerned, and he said nothing but love and respect for whitney and the whole family to us. and we left it at that and went back into the service. >> okay. >> there was a -- as we watched so many moving tributes spoken and in musical as well, and one in particular that stood out the you? >> no. i think that they were all so great and from different vantage points. certainly the musical tribute by

stevie wonder, and certainly alicia keyes can and how do you separate one from other? >> it is true. >> and it was, i think that it was really touching, because i kept looking at cissy up on the plat rm to and i could see her, and i think that it began to make her feel the love and the warmth that millions of people had for whitney. >> reporter: what do you hear about how she is holding up and bobbi kristina is holding up? >> i know it is hard on both of them, but i know that they are holding up for whitney. and in talking to us in the pastor's study, mrs. houston, cissy said to us, i'm renewed in my faith, and strong in my faith, but no mother wants to bury their child, and no mother wants to bury their child, and under these circumstances with the whole world watching, it adds to the burden. >> i'm sorry, to have it sort of hard to hear, but reverend al, as am mo mysela mom, myself, i

bobbi kristina, because i can't imagine leaving my daughter at that tender age and 18, you think that you are an adult, and you are not, and they had a strong relationship, and she had many more lessons to get from her mother, and how worried are you about bobbi kristina or do you believe she has a strong network around her to get her through what is going to come? >> well, she has a strong network of family around. she has dionne warwick and others, and i think that everyone who was there embraced the fact that they are available to her. we hugged her at the end when we were leaving, and we are all going to be available. i think that in many ways we want to make sure she has the kinds of support systems that we hoped whitney would have had more of from all of us. and i think that bobbi will be

embraced by those who loved and supported whitney houston. >> i would like to talk about the support system that you believed you wished had been stronger? >> well, we do. it has to be a wake-up call for all of us in the industry. you know, there are standards in broadcasting, and you and i had to go through things to work at msnbc and where the standards today? and i talked to reverend jakes and jesse jackson and others and maybe we need to sit down as spiritual leaders to sit down to build mechanisms and how many funerals do we have to go to say, wait, what are we going through? etta james, and don cornelius, and whitney houston have all gone through things in life, and we have to make sure that things are in place to help people in the industry. >> well, reverend al sharpton putting it in perspective.

>> and jesse jackson right over here. and i will give him my microphone as he has given me his many times. come on, reverend. >> okay. alex, we will get reverend jackson. >> there are certainly a lot of inkred canable moments that we'd like to recall from the 3 1/2 hours at the new hope baptist church. the first thing we'd like to play from what we witnessed here inside of the new hope baptist church and the first thing we'd like to play for you is tyler perry, and this is from the service a short while ago. >> the other thing that i know for sure and this is more important than anything else shes has done in her life. whitney houston loved the lord. so say whatever you want, god was for her, and she is resting singing with the angels. god bless you family.

god bless you, whitney. we love you so much. >> the whitney i knew her, despite the success and worldwide fame still wondered, am i good enough? am i pretty enough? will they like me? it is the burden that made her great. and the part that caused her to stumble in the end. whitney if you could hear me now, i would tell you, you weren't just good enough, you were great. >> i want you to understand in a very practical and pragmatic way that death has not won. your tears may flow. your pains may come. the flowers will wither. love will last h forever. for god is love. >> everyone in heaven including

god is waiting and i just know you're going the raise the roof like no one else has done before. >> a lot of important moments there from whitney houston's funeral. i want to bring in our contributor here who has been in the studio with us, tourre. and you were watching kevin costner and had a few comments about him, and he brought the house down and he had people laughing. >> he did. he had a great moment there, and one tof the things that leapt ot at me said guard your body. it is a larger message than just to whitney houston. i'm hearing musicians talking about being afraid of what the life of being a musician will lead to, and the temptations involved in it that we all know about will not just get certain people who we have already heard of dying, but certain people who already had strokes like a rick ross or other people who have gotten sick, and you know, there

are tremendous temptations that exist in being a musician and in particular the music business, and if the music business does not take care of its own, then more people will be like this, and of course, we don't know what exactly whitney houston died from, but there were years of damaging her body with chemicals that she has admitted to, that didn't have to happen. you can't help somebody who doesn't want to be helped, but if we can help those around us who want to be helped and who can be reached and not enable them as so often happens in the music business, then we should save those. >> and the reverend jesse jackson has taken the microphone from al sharpton, and i believe you have done it before. >> he gave it to me. >> he did indeed. reverend, tell me your take away from the funeral service, and

what is speaking loudly to you? >> it is the combination of the joy and pain and sunshine and rain. as i look in some contexts she died just a week ago and we tend to reveal our successes and conceal our pain an unresolved pain, and everybody has them. when you put her life in bala e balance, she had tremendous challenges and seemed to be recovering and the suddenness of it all caught us off guard and her real music and the legendary music will be with us for a long time. and we could see you and the eyes of the world could see you up there on the dias, and what could you see up there? were there people rapt with attention or -- >> i thought that kevin costner's remarks were important, and to say that the

governor christy did acknowledge her role with flags at half-staff, and you have musical giants like count basie and frank sinatra and bruce springsteen and i thought that was really respectful, but stevie wonder singing the winans and it was a joyous occasion in life. and we can put into perspective the challenges can, and gone at 48, but athletes are dying at early age, and it seems that those in the higher positions often have the unresolveded conflicts, undealt with, and unembrace and it seems we have to be more sensitive. >> and did you have a chance to speak to her mother? because we did see a nurse a couple of times going up to walk with her by her side. >> well, cissy is a strong woman of faith and you fight faith

withfight, and i'm glad that bobby brown did come, and husband of 11 years, and father of her daughter, and the hitch that he left, because of some, they had tried to move him without making a proper accommodation, and that was not a good thing, but i hope that would be resolved, because bobbi kristina needs her father just as she needs her grandmother, and she needs her faith in god. >> and that they will need you and the support, and reverend al sharpton had offered communal support to bobbi kristina. >> well, we take our hats off to bobby and bobbi kristina and cissy as well, because in the end, they are all part of whitney's family. >> thank you for sharing your thoughts, reverend jesse jackson. thank you. >> thank you. >> and we'd like to go back out to los angeles where we have from newsweek and the daily beast, alice samuels who had

spoken to whitney houston for several years and followed frit are the grim news that broke last saturday and allison, we feel like this is so much of what we have been focusing on here in the new york area with being across from the hudson river, and so do you believe that so many are tuned into the whitney houston story? >> yes. this story is international. the whitney houston story over the last two decades spans the world. los angeles is where she died and so many people were in shock and the grammys going on and that is the immediate place that people gathered, but they are still focus canning their attention on whitney, and she is beloved here, and particularly in hollywood where she had an impact on film, and people loved her no matter the challenges, and the same thing and reverend al said this, she was ordinary and extraordinary at the same time and that is what made her so relatable in this country and

other countries, because she was a regular girl with an amazing voice, and many people have said today that cissy houston tried so hard to take care of her daughter, and again, that is why i felt so bad watching her walk behind the casket, because this is a day she fought so hard to not have happen, and she did not want to be the mother who buried her daughter before she went, so to see some of the sort of worst scenario happens to cissy houston strikes a chord. that is across the world that people feel that pain. >> yeah. if you could give us an update on the investigation as to when we will finally have results of toxicology and a definitive answer as to what happened a week ago today? >> it is going to take six weeks according to the coroner's office before they get the toxicology reports back to see what was in her system, and then they can decide where to go from there, and do they talk to more doctors or investigate who was

giving the medicine, and they are trying to get into the atlanta apartment or home to see what prescriptions she had there, so it is going to go on for a while, and this is the end of the memorial to whitney, but the investigation into what happened to her, and you know, it will go on for a while. >> yes. allison, thank you very much, and i want to go, chris, to john farl farley, and since we had spoken to the michael jackson story and how the largess grew to match what he had in life, do you foresee that for whitney houston? do you think that people will memorialize her and think that the demons she was possessed by in different points in the life will fade into the background? >> well, there appears to be a temporary bump as people rush to itunes to download the songs, and we are told that her album sales went up 60 times from the days she passed on and expect

that to continue, and obviously with the movie coming out, more interest in her and the legacy, and long tale of the people and her legacy, but long-term, too early to say, but the issue that the death raises is that issue may have led. you heard al sharpton talk about it and reverend jesse jackson and does the industry have problems with the drugs. is ex sex, drugs and rock and roll is obviously what they say about music industry, but does the music industry need to clean up their own house or will we continue to see deaths like michael jackson and whitney houston and amy winehouse, and people who didn't die of drug use, but have it contribute to the overall demise and something to look into the safeguard the

icons to preserve them in the culture, and there is something wrong there, and we all feel it and will the industry police itself. >> chris and david, the two representatives from thegrio.com, do you see anyone on the horizon who might match whitney houston's level of ta talent? >> well, i think that whitney, and she was the voice. she defined a generation of singerer singerers. jennifer hudson came out and sang at the grammys, but it is so hard to ntop her. >> she was smart not to do the whole thing. >> and if there were a biopick, i don't know who i would cast for that. >> and it was telling that anyone who was supposed to perform whitney houston's songs were to perform those song, and that is best. >> it was best, because they had been scheduled to do so. >> it is best, because we

remember those songs the way that whitney sung them. i loved how kim burrell opted to sing another song and so did alicia keys, and that worked out fine. when you finally got to hear whitney's voice as the casket was led out with "i will always love you" i thought it was chilling. nothing could match that. >> i was fighting back tears. that was powerful. and now craig melvin who has been there all day covering the arrivals and everything inside of the church, i would like some closing thoughts from you about the wrap-up coverage? >> well, i was talking to fans here in newark, new jersey, and where whitney houston is from and the pride and the joy of newark, and 100 or so fans who gathered from the church, and some of the folks had driven from baltimore and even farther away from that, and i asked, what brings you?

and one woman said to me, it is like she was the one who woman who sang to my generation. i think that i heard one of the panelists say this earlier that we have lost not just a singer, but someone who really sang for a generation of folks in the country. and she had a pure, beautiful golden voice. you know, didn't necessary sing or perform and an entertainer, but known for the voice. for me, that is what i will miss. >> there is an illustrious panel with me here all day. toure, and chris farley, and david witherspoon, and david wilson of the grio.com. it has been a very emotional day and just want to leave you with some of whitney houston's music

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on his intel. >> the caliber weapon that he's inferring that he has, it would look good when you go to the state's attorney and let them know that he cooperated to get something like this off of the street. >> the inmate asked a family member to bring the weapon to sandoval and carpenter. they agree to meet her at a public location. >> we're sort of towards the back in an unmarked black impala. what kind of car are you driving? all right. see you in a minute. there she is right there. you see it? she just set it downright there. see the blue bag? >> hey, you just set that by the fence? okay. i see. yes, thank you. >> let mher pull off, she said. she's spooked. it's definitely not what we had anticipated.

i can tell you that. what you got right there is a glock 22 .40 caliber full-sized pistol. this is serious high capacity magazines. >> this is only police issued right here. >> we're moving. brand new 40 glock. >> it's not the weapon he originally claimed he was going to have, but it's definitely a good hit. >> the glock recovery along with the inmate's promise to work as a street informant persuades the state's attorney to reduce his bond. a few day later the inmate is on his way home.

>> before he is actually 100% free, we will basically meet him at the front gate and bring him up here, and get everything that we need out of him and contact and information and address and so we will know where to find him. >> the inmate who we will call taft knew sandoval and carpenter from previous jail stints, but he had never worked with them until now. >> what are you working on? ak? >> taft says he'll get the ak-47 he originally promised them.

but investigators never take any promise at face value. >> you sure? >> i ain't sure. >> we ain't doubting you. you gave us your word. >> i want to give it to you as soon as possible. >> i'm going to make every attempt to have it. >> you made a statement yesterday. you said before i even get excited with my girl, i'm going to make sure you guys have it. that meant a lot. >> you've seen it in action. you know better. you've seen the raw footage. so the issue we're having now is one of your boys has it? >> yeah. >> do they got rounds for it, too? or just a weapon. >> i'm pretty sure. it's a good one, too.

>> all anybody would use that for is to send a message. >> no, you use that to make a funeral. >> more than one. make sure you don't freaking disappear and we don't hear from you as soon as you drive away. >> no, you going to hear from me. i'm going to take care of this. >> sandoval and carpenter have their doubts as they lead taft out the back gate. >> he could burn us. technically he got us a gun. technically he did what he said he was going to do. his case is still pending. now he knows his case is beatable because the state didn't fight hard to keep him here. >> don't get in no [ bleep ] this weekend, man, and don't forget to call me. all right? what are you thinking? >> who knows, man, what his motives are.

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they know you by name? they just serve anyone who calls the number? >> i'm telling you. i'm serious. >> no criminal intel is any good until it has been tested. >> hey, what's up, bro? you going to be around in like a half hour? all right, cool, i need a whole one. all right, cool, thanks, bro. for sure. >> unreal. >> this inmate proved his credibility with a call to his heroin dealer. so investigators try the same number again to make a dope buy. >> yo, man, what's up? trying to get a full load.

turn your phone on. i'm going to call you right back. >> sounded like he was on the other line. try back in ten minutes. i'm just about to get off 290 right now. if you're in the area, please hit me back man so we can handle this business. >> but the target never calls them back. >> what do you think, spanky? >> it's hit or miss. it's part of the game. >> as for the inmate who gave them the tip, he's been transferred to drug rehab. and they're still leaning on another informant, nicknamed taft, to come up with results. >> this one was the surest thing. >> more than a week has passed since he promised to turn in an

ak-47, and they're running out of patience. >> what's up, man? are you going to make it happen or no? am i sitting on pins and needles for nothing? i'm going to give you an hour and let me know yes or no today. all right. later. he's answering the phones, so i'm not getting blown off yet. >> but taft never does come through with the weapon. fortunately, they're having better luck with their other informants. >> what we have are all the guns the ciu unit has seized from drug dealers and gang bangers over the past one-year period. if you want to take a look at all of them, you can see -- >> this is great, guys. fantastic. i don't know if you can put a real value on it. you can never talk about things that don't occur. which was one of these guns was the next to kill a child in the neighborhood?

the results is they say you'll never be able to quantify, but it's of tremendous value to the community. >> that that you see here will be set for destruction. >> wow. >> ironically enough, one of the guys here made a comment, which i'm still trying to decipher, i couldn't understand what carpenter met by this will fit in his garter belt. >> yeah. yeah. >> chicago police say four people were killed inside a house around 4:30 in the morning. >> a 14-year-old boy is in critical condition. >> one person dead, another person critically wounded. >> the reality is, no matter how many guns that they recover, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands still out there. >> i got it.

>> what you have got here is a ..38 special. >> the only choice they really is to keep trying. >> you're going to see a lot of shoot in shootings in the next month or so, because everybody has been cooped up all winter. all the animosity you had from last summer. i felt like i could have made more money. i could have did this. i could have done that. you can't do that in the wintertime. you ain't taking over blocks in february when it's negative 30. now is the time. now is when they'll start making their move. >> the victims included a woman, a 16-year-old pregnant girl. >> he was shot walking on chicago's west side. >> a 3-year-old girl and a 7-month-old boy. >> shots were fired --