tv Life After Lockup MSNBC February 25, 2012 5:00pm-6:00pm PST
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>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> they are the inmates whose stories we'll never forget and whose lives have taken twists you'll never believe. now we reveal whatever became of paul komyatti. twin brothers, roy and ray slagle. >> i'm so happy. >> ronnie tye and the woman he married in prison. finally the answers you've been waiting for.
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>> mr. bill, are you ready for your picture? >> yeah. >> all right. >> when we met paul comiati, he had an inmate job as the visitation room photographer. >> it keeps my mind occupied. keeps me not counting the 6,147 hours i have left or the 36 weeks and eight months or however you want to break it down. >> right from the start he was good natured and full of optimism for the future. despite being incarcerated for the past 26 years. he entered prison at age 17 for his role in a bizarre family plot that ended with the murder of his abusive father. >> my dad was an alcohol i can. i was like a little kid, 7, 8
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years old, i'm curled up under the kitchen table and he's got this belt with a buckle, you know, putting marks all over my face and everything, all over my body. i have blood coming out and my mom is like you have to stop, you're going to kill him. >> his mother, sister, and her husband were all convicted for the murder of his father. his brother-in-law was sentenced to death and was executed. his sister testified against paul and his mother and only served four years. paul's mother was given 90 years. >> as far as i know she's the oldest woman in prison in the state of indiana. >> paul was eligible for parole after 26 years and we were there the day he was released. >> you'll never see me again after today. >> paul quickly handed a factory job and was doing well. >> if you want to wake up with that attitude in the morning
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that today is going to be a good day, today is going to be better than yesterday. >> but paul could never have prepared himself for the bizarre chain of events ahead of him. six months after his release, three indiana state prison inmates staged a daring escape, and paul found himself in the wrong place at the wrong time. he and a friend had gone to a casino very close to the prison and were seen by an off-duty correctional officer the same night the three inmates got away. paul was picked up and investigated for facilitating the escape. and was eventually cleared of any involvement. but because he had violated his parole by driving a car with only a learner's permit, he was sent back to prison. less than a year later, he was a free man once again. but within 30 days of being released, paul would find the next chapter of his life to be even more devastating than any of the previous ones.
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it would leave him profoundly disfigured, and we warn you, you might find his appearance disturbing. >> i think most people in that situation with the injuries i have would not have survived, but i was in pretty good condition at the time, you know, for my age and everything. >> while riding his bicycle near his home outside downtown indianapolis, paul hit a pothole, flew over the handle bars, and landed face first on an exposed drainage grate. >> these channel bars were sticking out in the asphalt and right there, right there is the exact width on the steel channel bars. i hit that. when i rolled, you turned and my nose was completely cut off. my upper lip was sheared off, i had a gash, and the hole left
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side of my face has a gaping hole and you could see inside my face. >> every bone inside paul's face was broken and nearly all of his facial muscle was torn. paul's girlfriend, jenny sterling, was at home when she got a haunting call from paul's cell phone. >> on impact my cell phone activated. as i said i was technologically -- i didn't knknow how to lock the keyboard. >> a woman screamed. and a man said, oh, my gosh, don't try to get up, don't try to get up. he goes i got to get home. it seemed like forever. it was maybe 20 minutes, half hour. i heard everything. you know, i heard sirens. so i knew that wasn't good. >> paul was rushed to the hospital where surgeons worked to save what was left of his face. about 18 hours later anyy and two of her family members went to the accident site to recover
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the clothing that paramedics cut off his body. what they discovered was shocking. >> there in a puddle of blood was his nose, and i went -- then my brother-in-law said here is something over here. i go, oh, no way. his tongue. >> jenny saved the body parts in hopes that surgeons could reattach them. >> they said it had been too long, they couldn't reattach it. >> but at the same time paul was lucky to be alive. he had been rushed to wishard hospital, one of indianapolis top trauma centers. one of the cities a's most respected plastic surgeons was immediately called in for his expertise in facial reconstruction. >> we got a call from the trauma team here at wishard hospital. chen they described the hospital we knew we had to go to the operating room. we spent about nine hours with him in the o.r.
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this is one of those severe injuries you see a couple times in your career. every single bone in the face was broken. loss of completely the nose and the upper and lower lip and half of the tongue. >> paul lay in a coma for the next 22 days. during that time he had six more surgeries and a seventh after he came out of the coma. >> i'm probably going to have to have at least a dozen more surgeries. this is what the doctor kind of built up to give me a temporary nose until my nose can be reconstructed. >> at the time of our visit with paul, he still had another three months to wait until the nose reconstruction surgery. it won't be the same as his old nose, but his old nose will never be far away. >> this is my nose. >> it's in his freezer. >> this is a very unconventional way to hold one's nose. this is my nose and the end of
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my tongue, an inch and a half of my tongue. >> does it bother you it's sitting in your freezer? >> i'd rather have it sitting on my face. it definitely looks better on my face than it does in this baggie. coming up, paul goes back to prison, but this time to visit his mother. but first. >> i cut iron at the scrap iron yard. >> the incredible saga of twin brothers from colorado. >> i was in the icu for like nine days. of any small business credit card. the spark card earns double miles... so we really had to up our game. with spark, the boss earns double miles on every purchase, every day. that's setting the bar pretty high. owning my own business has never been more rewarding. coming through! [ male announcer ] introducing spark the small business credit cards from capital one. get more by choosing unlimited double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day. what's in your wallet?
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our first slagle encounter was in 2000 when we met roy in colorado state penitentiary, and he made a big impression. at the time roy was serving a 12-year sentence for robbery and had a notorious reputation for forcing the prison to perform cell extractions on him because of his frequent refusals to obey orders. nine years later during our shoot at the lyman correctional facility in eastern colorado, we met an inmate named ray slagle of who wasted no time reminding us of his sibling. >> come here, look at this. this is my twin brother right here. you already did a clip on him on msnbc. he was wild as hell. >> but by then roy was anything but wild. and, in fact, had recently been released on parole. so we visited him at his parents' home where he had been
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living. >> are you going to make it this time staying out? >> yeah, i believe i'm going to make it, no doubt. >> roy was optimistic about his future, and so were we. back at lyman, his brother ray was serving a 15-year sentence for assault but was only days away from being released on parole. we looked forward to covering their first reunion in more than ten years. but then ray got bad news. roy was headed back to prison. >> my mom told me that he was drunk. honestly, i guess he wanted to >> roy served another 15 months in prison then was paroled again. we visited him five months later. >> i was on borrowed time last time you interviewed me. i didn't have my own place, you know? i was staying with my folks. love them to death, but i didn't have no independence. and then i was lonely on top of it. i got to drinking a little bit and that turned into a problem. i went to the parole office after drinking.
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i wasn't drunk, but i had drunk the night before. i had to do a breathalyzer test and it came up hot. and here i am, trying it again. the mistake i made last time was to drink. even when i get off parole, i'm not going to drink because it can become an issue. i don't want it to be an issue in my life. >> roy's pet cat isn't the only thing he has to keep his mind off alcohol. he also loves his job. >> day to day, i get up and go to work every day. i cut iron and weld sometimes. and it's great. life couldn't be no better, just couldn't me. karma train is the ride for me, you know? i cut iron here at the scrap iron yard so it could be made into iron that can be utilized for construction. every day i'm grateful that i can be out here and i don't
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slack. i got one speed and that's get-her-done speed. >> that's part of your job? >> no, the trust the company gives me, it's great. i never thought a guy could get out of prison and get treated this good in a company. that's the best part of my job right there. >> roy's awesome. i worked with him half a dozen times. anytime i need a hand, he's there. if i need muscle he's there. he's a great guy. i never seen him on "lock up" until after he started working here. he's aggressive. anytime you get someone who wants to come to work and wants to work, my god. >> and still, reminders of prison sometimes show up unexpectedly. >> this prison bus from the colorado department of corrections came in, and me being my nosey stuff, i had to look. this right here, names and numbers of people being transferred throughout the state right here, and wasn't too long ago i was in one of these buses.
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i wouldn't want to do anything to jeopardize my freedoms and my liberties that i have now. uh-uh. right now, i can hear the wind blowing in through the trees behind us. in prison yards, there are no trees. life is great. >> i'm really excited. >> roy's brother ray was just as hopeful when he left prison. during our extended stay shoot at the lyman correctional facility, we followed him to the small trailer home where he was going to restart his life. >> this is nice. >> i love it. >> come on in. this is a castle to me. >> ray's release from prison did not go as he had hoped. we met him again a year and a half later. >> went home, and moved into that trailer, and it became old, you know. before i knew it i was sitting in that trailer by myself every night by myself, 24/7, and it
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become a drag. >> but things picked up for ray when he got a job with an industrial paint company. >> i was bringing home about 840 bucks a week, so i was doing good, you know, no doubt about that. god, yeah. >> what are you doing now? what are you bringing in now? >> 200 bucks a month. >> after only a few months out of prison, one wrong step would dramatically change ray's life on the outside. >> i was showing a guy how to dry a skylight. i was making sure -- because it was my girlfriend's roof. i was making sure he dried it in right. i went to the edge of the roof and started arguing with her and i ended up falling off. >> ray fell 25 feet to the hard ground below. >> come to find out i had a broken back. i was in icu for like nine days before they find three surgeons willing to even do the surgery because it was such a dramatic surgery you know what i mean?
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it was a massive break. i was in the hospital for over a month. it was a drag. >> during his recovery, ray's past drug addiction problems came back to haunt him. the temptation of readily available pain medication was too much to overcome. >> i got carried away with my pain pills. what can i say? i gobbled them up, and then i don't have none. and the doctor is not going to give you none. then the come down is so terrible. you go into the streets. i mean, it got out of hand, you know. because the pain. >> a positive drug test eventually led to ray violating his parole, and like his brother, roy, he was sent back to prison. he served a total of 90 days, but when he got out, things got even darker. >> i tried to hang myself, man. really, it got so bad i tried to -- i hung myself in the closet. the only reason i didn't die is because the tie broke. you know, the shame that came over me was overwhelming that i
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would do something like that, but i wanted to do something like that. it was that i was in so much pain i couldn't take it no more, you know? when you're in pain like i am, it kind of hinders life. and then on top of it, you got these bills you can't pay. you're not working no more. you can't hardly even work, you know what i mean? it makes you think, man, i don't even feel like a man. and i do feel like i'm drowning. it's like i'm just barely, barely above water, and i'm getting tired, and i feel like i'm going under and i keep pulling myself up but i keep feeling myself go down. i don't know how long it's going to last. i really don't. before that gash of water goes in my mouth and it sucks me down and then i just finally go down and then i can relax. the pain is over, buddy. >> coming up --
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>> my brother. >> roy and ray slagle together on the outside. but first -- >> will you have this woman as your wedded wife? >> yes. >> life after the prison wedding. [ baby crying ] ♪ what started as a whisper ♪ every day, millions of people choose to do the right thing. ♪ slowly turned to a scream ♪ there's an insurance company that does that, too. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? ♪ amen, omen when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week... i'm like...yeah, ok... little did i know
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>> many of the stories we cover on "lockup" involve not only the lives of inmates but of their families. and sometimes we're there when new families are being formed. such was the case with ronnie tye, who was nearing the end of an 11-year sentence for burglary at indiana state prison when we met him and his fiancee, jody. >> i want to get married october 7. >> that will work. october the 7th. >> ronnie has been out of prison for more than a year now. >> my last day of prison, i was anxious, i was ready to go, get out thereof. when they hollered tye, let's go, i ran. >> he told us it took some time to adjust to life after "lock up." >> there's been a few times i
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wake up and i thought i was still there. when i did open my eyes, i fement like i was in heaven because i could get up and do what i wanted to. >> being a free man wasn't the only change ronnie had to adapt to. he had entered prison as a 21-year-old bachelor but left a 32-year-old newly wed. >> will you have this woman to thy wedded wife to live together after the holeyest sta eses ese matrimony -- >> yes. >> we were there when ronnie married jody. they had chosen a more permanent symbol of commitment prior to their nuptials. >> he tattooed my portrait on him. i tattooed my whole leg and it was like our little bond. he was released june 4th of 2009. i picked him up. it was wonderful. he was the husband any woman would dream of, you know. he pampered me. he spoiled me, and then things
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just started to change and go down for the worst. >> just ten months after ronnie's release from prison, the couple separated and then divorced a short time later. >> when you get with a man in prison, it's -- you got to make sure that it's a very sincere thing because it's a game in there. men find women to take advantage of them. >> but jody believed ronnie was not one of those men and that the love she shared with him was genuine. ronnie, however, tells a different story. >> no, that was a front. i loved her money. if i wouldn't have married her, the money would have stopped. >> is this a common thing for guys inside to marry women for their money? >> well, i'm not going to ruin it for everybody. i did it. that's why i married her.
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>> but now jody has found a new love, and if she marries him, she won't have to change her last time. slaes in love not with ronnie tye but kenny tyi. >> i fell in love with his brother. what else can i say. sorry, but it's the truth, and i know it's like history repeating itself and it kind of feels that way, but there's a difference between them. >> one reason it might feel like history repeating itself is because kenny tye, like his brother before him, is temporarily detained. >> he's in prison. i know that sounds horrible. i met kenny out here. i know kenny for who kenny is. i think that's the difference. so kenny was a plus. i would have never met him -- sometimes they say you got to go through hell to get to heaven. lord, girl, went through some hell but i'm now in heaven. >> jody is with my little brother, kenny, and how do i
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feel about it? ain't no sweat off my --. you know, i'm happy for her. >> kenny is serving an 11-year sentence at indiana state prison for dealing methamphetamines. >> this is me and kenny. it was taken in county jail. got a visit behind glass and this is our only picture together. >> jody and kenny aren't the only tyes who found new love. ronnie tye lives with his fiancee nicki, her three daughters, and his grandmother. >> i'm just happy to be free and i'm happy to have a good family. and i'm happy that i'm taking care of my grandma instead of anybody else because she gets taken care of real well here, don't you? >> what? >> you get taken care of very well here, don't you? i said you get taken care of very well here, don't you, granny? >> ronnie says he enjoyed caring for his grandma and that he's taken to his role as a father.
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>> i like being a stepfather. i mean, i like helping them with things, taking them places, buying them things. >> like he does for them like he does me. it's more like his own kids. >> thanks, baby, for cooking dinner. >> you're welcome. >> thanks mom. thanks, mom. >> sure feels good to eat real food. >> real pig. >> it's cow. >> thank you for cooking the pig. >> mom. coming up, jody tye makes a major recommitment. >> all right, kenny tye, you better like this [ bleep ]. >> and more with paul and the slagle brothers. >> tell me that isn't a work of art. i mean, seriously. ♪ tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty ♪ ♪ tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty ♪ ♪ tryin' to catch me ridin' dirty ♪ [ mom ] hi, there.
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advisers today. they were shot and killed inside a heavily guarded ministry building in kabul. and former south african president nelson mandelabeing called a long-standing abdominal xant. he's said to be fine and fully conscious. now back to "life after lock up." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. even though he served 26 year behind bars, paul still goes back to prison once a week. >> who are you here to see? >> rosemary, do c number 1704. >> but now it's to visit his 85-year-old mother who is still serving time for her role in the murder of paul's father. >> hi, mom.
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>> hi. how are you? >> when i got locked up, she was 57. she was very physically fit, a very active woman. and now, you know, she's in a wheelchair now. how you feeling? still having problems on your right side? >> yes. >> is there anything new going on? >> not too much. >> hopefully that will change soon. >> the worst thing that ever happened to him in his life is right now with his mom where she's at. that's the worst thing, that he hasn't been able to fix right now. him being home and her not being able to be here with us, i just want her home. i just wanted her to come home with us, you know? where she belongs. >> by next summer i'll look like george clooney. >> that's good.
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>> while surgeons won't be able to attach paul's actual nose onto his face, dr. roberto fluoresce and dr. nicholas villanuestra have a plan to build him a new one. >> this is going to require several surgeries, anywhere between three and five. one of the things we can use, we can take cartilage from your ear or rib or take bone from your hip and reconstruct the internal framework of your nose so you have some form in there. >> his prognosis is good. he survived a terrible injury, a terrible accident. he's a physically strong person. he has a great attitude. some people are spiritually crushed from these sorts of injuries and they don't ever make it back. i don't get that sense from him. >> thank you once again. i think 99% of people that came in in that condition probably wouldn't have made it, and if you hadn't been on that night,
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you know, i don't know if i would have made it. so thank you. >> you're so welcome. >> all things considered, paul has lived a most unusual life. but our last impression of him never really changed from our first impression. through all his ups and downs, paul has stayed remarkably optimistic. >> obviously, things haven't really went my way, you can say that as an understatement, but one thing you learn in the joint, you don't live in the past. because you can't change the past. you know, the past is done, it's over with. all you can do is learn from the past. and this situation here, i can kick myself and say, you know, you're cursed or whatever. it's not going to do any good. my outlook on this has to stay positive. you know, i always wake up in the morning and i have to think it's going to be a good day. >> ronnie tye, also a veteran of
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the indiana state prison, is equally optimistic about his future with his new girlfriend, nicki. though their relationship has at least one thing in common with the one he shared with his ex-wife, jody. they show their love with tattoos. >> it says nicki. >> why did you get that? >> because i love her. and i really do love her. this is not a money thing. it's not about money or nothing because i don't ask her for nothing. she's got my name back here, too. >> he has to cover up before i get another one. he has names on him everywhere and a portrait that needs to be covered but he hasn't done that yet so i don't know. >> but i'm going to. >> like ronnie, jody is also ready to move on. by altering her tattoos. >> i'm going to get my tattoo covered. >> to get rid of the tattoo on
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her leg she's going to have to cut her leg off because that's awful big to cover up. >> i'm putting kenny over ronnie. she says does that mean kenny is going to be my son-in-law? i do believe he might. i don't know, mom. i'm -- i don't know. i don't see a future, but, you know, kenny is obviously better than ronnie. >> while jody was excited about covering the ronnie tattoo on her leg, she discovered it would be harder than she had thought it would be. >> i'm getting ready to cover up ronnie tye's name and when i put it there, i swore i would never, ever get rid of it because i thought it was forever. this is the end. it's over. i feel weird. it's like i feel like half of me feels like a death and the other half of me feels like a birth. >> let's go. >> jody has brought her friend,
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amanda, along for emotional support. >> kind of feels like closing a lid on a casket, you know. you're my pallbearer. >> better you than me. >> i don't even know how to describe this. never felt like this before. >> is it the pain? >> no, it isn't the tattoo. i think my heart is more broke than anything. well, this will heal pretty good before i go see kenny in prison. >> after almost an hour, jody's tattoo transformation is complete. >> all done. >> kenny! >> bye, ronnie.
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hello, kenny. >> what do you think? >> right on. >> coming up. >> i wonder what's in here. oh, more china. the slagle brothers discover their passions. >> you put your fresh tomatoes and onions and you have yourself a screaming -- ♪ what started as a whisper every day, millions of people choose to do the right thing. there's an insurance company that does that, too. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy?
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of a sensation. >> are you serious? i watched this episode last night and became infatuated with this man. he is so sexy. he has an amazing body and a fine face. i wish i knew him. i love big tall and muscular men. i have a lot of girls and women making comments about how i look and stuff like that. it's nice. >> but one admiring fan stuck out from the rest. and the two began to correspond while roy spent another 15 months in prison on a parole violation but she doesn't share roy's comfort with the limelight and has asked that we not reveal her identity. >> she said she liked how i came across and seemed like i had a good nrng and she'd like to get to know me more. i got out and we hit it off and ended up getting married and fell in love, i mean real love,
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destiny type love, you know, that people talk about. i'm like how did this happen, you know? a guy like me. guy that's been to hell and back and here i got this dallas cheerleader almost. i'm like you're like a dallas cheerleader. so i had to pinch myself a couple times. like is this happening? she's helping with structure. that's something i needed. i needed structure. >> happily ever after. huh? >> uh-huh. >>. >> during roy's long and well-documented time in prison, he earned a reputation for being like a bull in a china shop. nowadays, he and his wife collect china. >> this is the royal doulton set. it goes along with this. bone china, very, very nice.
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1926. very old. it's a beautiful hobby. what i don't understand is why other people don't think it's fascinating, you know? we're going to these estate sales and we're like the moth to the flame. we got to have it, you know, and here we are walking out with boxes of china. tell me that isn't a work of art. seriously, look at all that glazing. isn't that beautiful? it's exactly like treasure hunting. and history, who touched this, who ate off this. this is a very old cheese platter, probably our holdest item that we have. i wonder what's in here? oh, more china. i can't help it. if i'm going to have a problem, it's going to be with china. i can't get in trouble doing that. look at that. isn't that beautiful? i wake up and i'm happy to wake
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up every morning because life is great, and everything around me seems bright and clear, lots of color, and just full of life. it starts out for me with my wife and us eating off nice china. >> while roy proudly displays his china, his reminders of prison, photos, letters, and cards are all contained in a cardboard box. >> what do you think of that when you look at that? >> not too happy. i believe in karma. i believe that i had to wise up and be thankful for what i have and don't try to live outside my means. i went to prison for robbery. i thought i'd do this and things would be all right. things are going to be all right no matter what, but you got to do it the right way. even if you're going without a few things or if you're poor. it's still going to be all right but you got to do the right
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thing. you can't take something out of somebody else's hand and think it's going to be all right because that's just going to make things right. >> have you paid your karmic debt? >> yes, i believe i have. >> his brother ray finds himself questioning karma. >> it's a drag when you are out here doing the right thing and you still can't get it right. i could be out here doing the wrong thing and not have to worry about it but i refuse to cross that line. i'm not going to. i'm just not going to. >> unable to find steady work because of his physical problems, ray is writing his autobiography and wants to pursue his real passion, cooking. >> you know, i'm trying to get focused, go to school, culinary arts because i like to cook, you know. i can stand on my feet, i just can't be sitting down too long.
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if i can get the federal grants, that's what i plan on doing. >> ray showed us his favorite dish to prepare for his fellow inmates incompetent side the lyman correction facility when we shot "extended stay" here. >> you get the beef pocket and put it over the fish, spread it out evenly, and then you put a scoop of this and a little bit of this on to finish it. just eyeball that and it tastes real good. this is a lot different than cooking in a cell. big difference. >> ray's pride is his deep fried tacos. >> i'm getting this chicken ready to boil. this chicken is really nice and lean and it's really good for you, and i'm telling you, it's really good. i like to use lemon pepper after i do my chicken and then i use salt and pepper. lemon pepper is the key thing. this here being deep tried, you know, it's what the key is. sure you can roll it up in a burrito and warm it up.
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that's the lazy way. you got to put them in first like this and then flip it like this. oh, yeah. that's good. and then you just put your fresh tomatoes and fresh onions and fresh cheese and then some picante sauce and then you have yourself a screaming deep tried chicken taco. >> these days ray doesn't cook for inmates but for friends in his small apartment. >> when i first got out of the joint, i woke up, next day i made myself french toast and i was listening to sade, one of them sad songs. right in the middle of making french toast, i just broke down. i couldn't even finish. i had to shut it off. just because i realize i was free, and, yeah, it hit me know. hit me when i was cooking. you're free, man, you're free.
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roy and ray slagle have seen their lives change several times both in and out of prison, but one thing that has remained constant for both men is the bond they share as brothers. >> what was it like the first time you saw him after a really long time? >> i had to hold it down. i wanted to cry but i just held it in. it's my brother and i haven't seen him forever. >> if somebody said one of you two have to die, i would go ahead and take the bullet. i'd say, hey, man, i got this. >> i go to his house sometimes, he comes here sometimes but not a lot because he has his life and i have my life and neither one of us wants to complicated
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the other's life right now, you know. >> but querp there for a reunion a long time in the making. >> hey, bro. >> there's my brother. >> how are you doing? >> not as ornery as you. >> that's all that matters. >> let's kick it, brother. >> it doesn't take long for the brothers to find something to reminisce over. >> grandpa's old hat. >> i always loved grandpa. >> my mom wouldn't let my grandpa drink in the house, so he'd go out -- grab his cowboy hat, put it on and walk out to the trunk of the car. add cadillac. open up the cadillac, open up the trunk to the cadillac, reach in there and run around, he'd look this way, look that way, wipe the bottle off like this
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after he opened it, and just chug it down and we'd look out the window and we're just little kids and we see these bubbles going up behind the shed. spying, and he'd be drinking, and this is the cowboy hat he'd wear. >> ray has more recent mementos as well, like this photograph taken by a friend shortly after his release. >> it was raining real, real bad. just was kind of like having a hard time adjusting to getting out. felt like the whole world was on my shoulders and went over there and just sit there. >> sit in the rain. >> sat in the rain and, man, it was so, so free. i cried. you know i'm sentimental. thank god i'm free. all those years locked up and i'm sitting in the rain up in the mountains and you can smell the smell and smell the rain -- >> evergreen. >> you smell the evergreens and the lake was right there. >> i think that's what life is
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about. it's going to always be hard, always, but you kept your moments and the moments are what's sustained you to the next moment. >> yeah. >> but, unfortunately, too many of ray's moments have been filled with nothing but pain since he broke his back. >> your back all that metal. that's metal? >> that's all metal and two screws here, two screws here and a fake rib. two screws going up through that. >> what's the fake vertebrae made out of? >> titanium. >> to help ray deal with the discomfort of all the steel in his beck, doctors embedded a pain medication pump beneath his skin. >> it's a big metal disk. >> how thick is it? >> it's pretty big. >> it's heavy, bureau. look at that. i feel it. does it hurt? >> grab it. >> i don't want to hurt you. >> you aren't going to hurt me. grab it. grab it. >> that thing is big. >> repairing ray's back also
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required the removal of a rib. >> there's like a role there. >> it's a role. it's a role all the way to my lung, roy. all the way down. >> so there's nothing protecting your lung right there. oh, my god, bro. >> yonothing. >> there's a hole there, i can feel it. >> a big hole. >> i hate to see my brother inform pain. i tweaked my back before so i know, and that can't even be compared to what he's going through. >> that serenity prayer right there, that's how he live our life. we have to keep pushing through. >> i'm worried about him. he has a past history of having problems with drugs and drinking and so on. now he has to take them for his pain, and they can very easily be abused. i worry about that. i don't want to see nothing happen to him. >> when does unemployment run out? >> real fast. >> real fast? >> real fast.
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two months. >> you're going to have to figure something out and try to get a job even if you're banged up. >> i can't, roy. i'm telling you. what am i going to do? be a drug dealer, get some money? >> no. >> where am i going to get the money? >> i don't know, bro. >> that's all i have to say. leave it there. >> damn it. >> you can either be a victim or a survivor. bad things happen to all of us, and bad experiences. you can be a victim or a survivor, you got to make a choice. >> i'm a survivor. so are you. i'm a survivor. we have to. >> you have to overcome, man. >> overcome it or sink. >> that's what i'm saying. >> i'm going to try not to. >> that's what i'm saying. >> i'm going to try not to. >> all right. >> damn it. >> but even in the gloomiest of circumstances, you can count on one thing from the slagle boys. they'll always find something to laugh about. >> can't be on booze.
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with a little old tombstone, they're like that's too small a tombstone. you know he doesn't have anything buried with him. probably a wooden cross. >> i like that. >> i was hoping actually to be cremated and you guys just throw me around, you know, around town and around the mountains wherever you go. everybody gets a little bag of ashes and you guys just -- >> i want to be thrown everywhere. >> get a shot of jack daniels and sprinkle you -- >> yeah some -- no i hate jack daniels. jim beam. you like djack daniels. >> not so more. >> a shot of jim beam and sprinkle some ashes. >> yeah, yeah, do it the right way. >> i'll do that for you. >> that's all i ask.
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