koran incinerated. the backlash continues despite calls for common restraint. 40 folks dead. four u.s. troops. two of them u.s. military officers shot in the head while inside what is supposed to be a secure environment smells of inside job. today the taliban says they are behind a suicide bombing at an afghan airport. nine more dead today. they also claim they tried to poisen the u.s. troops at a dining hall. nato, france, britain, and now the u.s. pulling advisors out. but what about our 89,000 troops that are supposed to leave in september? they are supposed to stay for one more summer of fighting? they clearly don't want us there. they are no longer attacking each other. they are attacking us.

>> secretary panetta is fully committed to our strategy in afghanistan. >> these events are troubling. they have everybody's attention. and yes, tension is high here right now. but across the country, things can -- the mission continues. >> what is the mission? president obama and the pentagon keep apologizing for the koran burning. they continue to refuse the mission, which we don't know what it is. whatever the mission might be, some say the apologies for the koran burning are only making things worse by elevating the severity of the mistake of the burning in the first place. so to put it into perspective, we're a decade in to america's longest war ever for we're funding both sides. osama bin laden now dead. there is still no order in society. and critics say the reason there's no order in the society

is because washington refuses to acknowledge and accept the nature of the social covenant in afghan culture and society, tribal, regional, and continues for its own egoic reasons to down play the taliban's power so as not to appear to have wasted ten years in afghanistan. we start with anthony schaffer. also with us a man who taught us plenty, retired admiral and former democratic congressman joe sesstack. it's late february in afghanistan. the mountains are high. the snow is deep. and some of us look forward to baseball season. in afghanistan they look forward to killing each other season. why would we knowing what we know, why would we stay for another summer of war?

>> it's insane. back on the mission question, the theory is counterinsurgency is to help support bring people to a legitimized government. that's what the mission has b n been. >> say that again. if i say what's my mission? tell me my mission. >> counterinsurgency is to help legitimize the government and help push the people to the government. you and i both know the government is corrupt. what we have done is given these folks, the afghan people, a choice. the government corruption or the taliban. and that's what you're seeing here. the last seven days of all the different protests are the taliban effectively showing that the central government has no ability to do anything. so by every definition of counterinsurgency, the mission has failed. so why fight? we shouldn't. we should be looking at the real issue, which is pakistan. one told e me the basic issue is as long as the pakistan supports

the taliban, they will be an effective insurgency. >> so congressman, educate us a little bit. there are obviously significant interests for the united states foreign policy in pakistan. there are obviously significant interests in iran. there are significant balance of power issues between an expanding iran and saudi arabia. afghanistan has a strategic location relative to those theaters of potential power and all the rest of it. but what is preventing what general, what systemic apparatus, i don't know, in preventing a revaluation of how we want to address the issues of iranian power projection, stability across the board in the middle east, and why don't we want to have that conversation? >> the only reason we had the troop surge in afghanistan under president obama of why we in congress were briefed quietly by

secretary gates was to help seal the border between pakistan and afghanistan. so that the pakistanis were protecting get away in this movement. we have not followed that. unfortunately, the only reason to be in afghanistan is because of the al qaeda that has now moved into pakistan of why we went there originally. >> so i want you to -- we're learning new information. i'm going to ask you to repeat some of that. it was very significant. the same way tony was explaining the counterinsurgency message. repeat what the intended mission was in afghanistan and what we're not doing? you can't get where you're going if you don't know where you are. we need to know where we are. >> there were many of us in congress that agreed with tony

that the government that's corrupt was not a strategy. but we got briefed by secretary gates in a closed meeting with him that the primary, or most primary purposes, was to help seal the border between afghanistan and pakistan. the taliban had threatened pakistan. they had gotten within 60 miles of islamabad. and pakistan realized the creature they created was turning on them. if they went after them, they would flow into afghanistan. but we could seal that border. we wanted the taliban gone because we wanted the government to survive. we didn't want the taliban protecting al qaeda. we would go after the drones after al qaeda. which we have been fairly successful at. i would support the surge only because of pakistan. the problem has been that we have tried to now replicate, instead of pursuing that as our

strategy, what we did in iraq can't be replicated in afghanistan because iraq was a literate society. they lived in communities. they were engaged. not so in afghanistan. very illiterate. they live in isolated compounds. the only reason to have remained there is for al qaeda. >> but in the balance of understanding that in a few minutes we're speaking in the context of a television broadcast, so for the urgency of the scarce amount of time we get together in public like this, what is the barrier today? it's important to learn, and i appreciate what you guys shared, but what is the barrier today in the context of all the information that's available and the humility of understanding that things need to change and you pivot as you go in your life, creating a resource reevaluation today in order to

make sure we're mission focused and mission directed and not egofocused and egodirected because of what we thought we wanted to do? what is the barrier to doing that? tony, you can answer first. >> the failure is we have a west moore land moment saying we seeked li seeked light at the end of the tunnel. i sent your staff the estimate on afghanistan on the basis of sources. those go into any document. what we're doing, the intelligence is there to tell us we need to reevaluate. danny davis gave all this to congress two weeks ago. what we have is a group of egotistical focuses committed to a course of action, letting people die for the good of a political decision rather than a practical one. >> same question, joe. >> two things. one, to make sure we have in place the correct strategy to

continue from a distance to decimate the al qaeda. >> you need to develop an alternate strategy now? >> absolutely. >> where do we stand with that? sorry to interrupt you. >> we can readily fire drones from quite a distance away. they fly 24 hours in to do that. the second point is very important. when somali happened, black hawk done, we had 18,000 less troops there had. it took six months to retrograde safely. this is not an easy operation. none of our supplies to our forces in afghanistan flow through pakistan because they are ambushed. we fly them through the former soviet union. this is going to be a challenging retrograde. you can't turn around tomorrow. the president has to put correct safeguards in to do this right and safely for our troops who are there as we continue to

decimate al qaeda and make sure we leave behind their decimation. >> and i appreciate all of that, but is that decision made at the top of the pentagon or white house? who has to allocate resources and time to say here's the b strategy and here is the rapid deceleration of the a strategy over the course of the next six months. where is that meeting happening? >> i doubt that you could do this safely in six months. >> a year or whatever. >> he has the elements in place since he already set a deadline for military involvement of 2014. it's to look at it and to see how you can speed that up as you make sure the enhancement he's already done is even better for ensuring that al qaeda is kept down over in pakistan. and i think this can be done. in fact, we should have been doing this all the time if the

initial purpose was al qaeda, not the taliban that don't threaten us. >> we can beat each other senseless about the point of the past decade. we need to solve this problem. i appreciate both of you focused on the presence tense issue, which is how are we going to make decisions today and what information do we need so we can stop the insanity as opposed to pointeding at each other. i thank e both of you very much. coming up, soring gas prices fueling political rhetoric in an election year. we'll talk with the mega panel about what the president should be doing. not just this president, but any president to get us out of this relationship with energy. plus it was an original tea

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gas prices continue to skyrocket. that's fueling the political fire. it's a huge election year issue. it's what the consumer sees at the pump.

>> some politicians see this as a political opportunity. since it's an election year, they are already dusting off their same 3-point plan for $2 gas. >> you have two futures. you have $2.50 a gallon or less. you have $9 a gallon or more. you pick. i think the majority starts to shrink for obama. >> if there's one thing we have learned through this tour and all the rest of it, it's that there's no more significant issue and no more consequential commodity that's completely mispriced than energy. and the fact of the matter is, whether it's the $7 trillion on the straits of hormuz, or the manipulation that occurs at the pump on a speculative level, to get lost in the price of gasoline is to get lost in one of the most corrupt explorations in the history of mankind. at the same time as the mega panel comes in, tim is here, sam

is here. imogen lloyd webber is here. it's so political. now it's barack obama is doing deals with the oil men. maybe? i have no idea. but i do know that since i was about six or seven years old, i hear people yammer about the straits of hormuz and i'm watching all these countries around the world getting more and more energy independence whether it's social or wind or drilling or natural gas, and i watch america fight with each other. am i seeing something? am i missing something? >> where i think you're off target is in thinking that other countries are necessarily doing a good job of gaining independence. european countries that built up

renewable energy resources -- >> i'm not suggesting that. i'm saying we haven't even decided as a nation to pursue energy independence. >> we say we want to make gasoline cheaper to buy more gasoline. >> i know. >> part of the reason we're talking about the strait of hormuz has less to do with the price of gasoline and more having control in terms of political issues. but it's not necessarily -- we're not just in the straits of hormuz because we want cheap gas. we're there because we also want to be able to control the spig got for other countries. you have to separate that out. you also have to ask the question. is there a role for our government to come up with these solutions? i would argue yes, there are some. tim would probably argue no. >> at the end of the day, is not

the best way to end a really bad relationship to get out of it? and isn't that the situation that america is in with foreign oil? >> i come from a country where we spend $10 per gallon on gas. it's taxed at 175%. so when i'm hearing about $5 a gallon, i find it shocking. but here i don't know how you get around it politically because it's a vote loser to put that amount of tax. you're not going to win. >> i'm saying we need to recruit energy efficiency programs that explode the job creation. >> that's why it's worked in britain. because it's taxed at 175%. >> we have to stop burning oil. >> but when you say we, we're not talking about us here at the table. you're talking as a society. it is a fundamental question as to what role government has in this. in britain, you have a tax. >> very quick.

then we're going to go. >> we pick winners and losers. you and i would agree that it would be better to tax gasoline more than it would be to go ahead and say we're going to pick ethanol today and auction it off. that slows down the development of good alternatives. >> people who would disagree agreeing. america is not as polarized as you think. they just want you to think it. the panel back in a few. we're fresh off the college leg of our jobs tour. everywhere we went last week, the conversation turned to the debt for diploma system. their desire to seize these moments in history to help adding insult to injury. the interest rate on federally subsidized stafford loans that are not correlated to employment. you don't want to create a tax incentive that's not going to

give people jobs. you understand? it's a ripoff. any way, last week we talked to kentucky congressman joe courtney who has legislation to stop the summer spike in student rates. he expressed his concerns today, but acknowledged there's a bigger issue which is that the overall system is not driving towards that movement to solve our problems. instead it's busted. >> we can't just keep on at the federal level subsidizining skyrocketing tuition. tuition is going up faster than inflation, sooner or later, we're going to run out of money. >> we want to spend money on something that has value. money is not the issue. it's money with no value that's the issue. our next guest gained notoriety when she took bank of america on. $5 debt fees. she's now turning her attention to the student loan debt issue. molly graduated with $10,000 in

student debt. they will double the rates on that. she's leading a new campaign against raising the rates called "rebuild the dream." what can you tell us that's made you successful with banks that you can apply to this one? >> thank you for having me on by. thank you for drawing attention to this issue and devoting so much time to it. >> it's criminal. it's a bunch of criminals out there i tell you. >> it is. it's awful. and so with this issue, it's interesting because i think people don't necessarily think that student debt is that big of an issue yet. but it is. and i want to pay off my loans. i don't have a problem with that. i'm not asking for handouts. but the fact is that students are graduating into this awful job market. and it's just we have so much debt. it just seems like it's this crazy unfair. >> it's totally nuts.

there's no transparency at the university. they don't tell you what you're borrowing money to pay for. that's the first insult. whether you're a taxpayer or tuition borrower, it's a blind environment. what do you think you can achieve and how can the folks involved with this show help you achieve it by this summer? what's your goal? >> so right now, i'm with a nonprofit working on economic issues that affect the middle cla class. so our two big ones for this year is foreclosures and also student debt. and a couple weeks ago, we partnered with the u.s. purg campus progress and student association to petition around the interest rate that's going to set to expire in july. and we have over 100,000 signatures. we're going to deliver them next week. we really want to pressure congress. >> these people are ole garks. they don't listen to the people. they have it gerrymandered. there's no primary challengers.

we're dealing with these people. the reason we have you on is because you overturned the banking system. you're like king arthur. you have the magic sword. what are you going to do here? >> well, i think we should keep talking about it. we need to let people know it's actually an issue. and rally around it. we need to get students mobilized to get past students mobilized and bring people together and get people to work on it. it's a huge issue. >> i agree. and the upside is the renaissance. if we solve all this, we'll have a renaissance for like the next 500 years. we might as well get to work and get through the nonsense. carney just had a baby. we have to help him. >> but my baby maybe doesn't need. government subsidies driving into college and driving up tuition. >> i agree with that. i'm not advocating that at all.

i'm advocating transparency from the university to see what we're paying for. technology is learning things cheaper. >> thank you, molly. why are the fed's of taking on the banks? still. the former sheriff of wall street on the paralyzing fear of prosecuting white collar crime in america in 2012. just what is it exactly? that the fed's are afraid of. that and a troubling report about where that bad mortgage settlement money is being spent. you won't believe this. i love that my daughter's part fish.

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while we were on the college tour last week in kentucky and ohio, our friendly neighborhood states are using the rather tiny

and sort of insulting amount of money being given to them in the foreclosure settlement to cover their budget gaps rather than address any theoretically mathematical or moral issue with the housing market. not to mention the fact there's not a single indication that anyone from the states to the department of justice are planning any sort of signature criminal investigation into the transfer of securities from american banks to the federal reserve and fanny and freddie some years ago. which leads us to ponder what is it that our attorney general, our department of justice, our media, our society is afraid of when it comes to going after the banks and white-collar crime. there must be something horrendous at the end of the rainbow if nobody wants to do it. joining us is someone who was not afraid to walk down that path. a man known as the sheriff of wall street.

a man who was prosecuted more criminals than in recent memory. eliot spitzer, it's nice to have you back. my base theory is they don't want to investigate it because they will have to restructure the banks. can we do justice that doesn't require a global debt restructuring? >> i think the answer is you should investigate and should restructure. so i think that's what they should do. let me step back for a second. it's not too late to ensure that the dollar in the global settlement or however, we refer to it get used for the proper purpose. the deal has not been signed. there's some generalized term sheet. it's been announced for political purposes, but the fine drafting points are not concluded. they should put in a state for whoever doesn't use the money, loses it. if michigan or wisconsin wants

to use the money for general budget purposes, that money goes off to some other state. i think that's what the public wants. that's the pup of this deal. it can be drafted simply. >> isn't the worst part about this deal -- the money is not going to provide a dent in this problem one way or another. isn't the problem that we put price on what it costs if you want to get away with massive fraud? >> that's exactly right. and occupy wall street had a great sign and people had their own views. they had a sign that said we will know corporations are people when texas executes one. the notion is how do you sanction corporations? the argument is if all you do is take money out of the pockets of shareholders, that doesn't do anything. we have these entities it's hard to get your arms around them. >> but the people with the power to do what you attempted to do

had varied success when you had the job don't want to do it. they are afraid of something. >> i agree. they are afraid of the trauma. i think they are dead wrong of what would happen if a major institution were indicted or forced to face this. they are wrong about that. i'll give you an example. when we were about to bring the first case against merle lynch and got an injunction, the sec doesn't say they will go out of business. i said against committing fraud? the sec is walking on egg shells. they are timid and scared. >> so they are afraid of somebody with a clear head wants to show up that that's going to create -- the banks going to e vap rise. >> did we win when arthur anderson disappeared? not a frivolous argument. i just think they are wrong. >> what you're describing though of letting banks go under, this

is what people like me are saying this is against the bailouts. if an auto maker or a bank disappeared because that's what the market was tick indicating that we would be fine. and it was politicians saying we can't standby and do this. so how much of the problem is that these people are protected not just in your view from criminal prosecution, but also in my view from the market forces. so they are more protected from anything. >> you're exactly right. i share your libertarian perspective on this, but they are protected because of the federal guarantee behind them means they get the upside and not the downside. and therefore, they feel that in a risk-free environment, they can do what they want. we will backstop them. there are ways to restructure the banks that would have eliminated the structural problem. still do it today. the banks still depend upon the

federal guarantees to get their capital to borrow and to be able to borrow at those rates. borrowing on our dime to bet and gamble. and they keep the upside. >> that's still in effect today. >> how much do you estimate white collar crime costs america per year? is there a figure that you can think throw out there? >> let me answer that. we used to try to do that. we'd say the cost is this. here's what i would say. the fraud and the failure created the disaster of 2008. how can you put a number on it? it's destroyed the middle class. look at the loss of value in housing. the enormity is a direct consequence of the ideology of government intervention that was designed to maintain a broken status quo rather than force it

to reform. >> the the most important thing for us to get into in 2012 is the awareness to restructure banks. you can restructure assets in a way that's ultimately maybe scary, but it will release more prosperity and more equality and more functionality. we have to stop trying the ghost of 2008 and yelling about that year and move to where we are. >> i agree. >> but isn't the question broader than the bailouts? we're talking about ongoing fraud. i mean it's fraud. it strikes the notion of rule of law. it's very hard for society to argue that anyone should pay attention to any law when you can buy yourself out of it. it's just the cost of doing business. >> you're right. that's why you use that as the wedge into the issue and then say to the banks, your exposure is this. in return for not driving you

bankrupt is you will now agree to these parameters. you have a functioning market lace. that's the objective. >> the point is that we have the leverage today with the bank charter control, with the available financing from the federal reserve to have a legitimate negotiation with the enterprise to talk about restructuring in a way that as men and women would talk about a serious issue. we have had a refusal to do it. thank you for coming over. there was a lot of agreement on the table. it's fun to agree. see what happens when you agree to something? nice to see you. next up, our favorite moments from hollywood's golden night.

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watching millionaires receiving golden statues. >> billy crystal poking fun at the academy awards. crystal's ninth time playing host. mixed reviews. he you can seldom go wrong by bringing back the best. even though he wasn't at their best. to us, crystal like comfort food. how can you be unhappy with meat loaf? the silent film "the artist" definitely made some noise. it walked away with five oscars. [ speaking in french ] >> we have translated it to say "i beat brad pitt and george clooney. now i am the sexiest man in the world. or some version. you can use your google

translator to double check it. martin scorsese lost out on best director, but got an awful lot of name time. >> scorsese. >> there are the bridesmaids. beautiful people strutting their stuff. angelina jo lee trying to get a leg up on the competition. a move this didn't go unnoticed. >> we bowed to our fellow nomine nominees. >> in fact, her right leg even now has its own twitter handle. the only question we have is jo leeing become the new tebowing. after this, one of the founding party members tells us why he and the organization he

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ages, races, and however, you may see yourself around a simple concept. the offensive nature of two sets of rules for any community or nati nation. one set of rules for those who have influence or can purchase them and alter the rules to their benefit or self-preservation. and another set of rules who can't do that who ultimately pay the price. we found that agreement across not only the political spectrum but racial and gender spectrums. it's becoming more and more not what your identity is, and more about how you can help today to create custom solutions within your own community at six inches. one man who has embraced that very idea and is with us today in austin, mark meckler. he's coauthor of the tea party patriots. cofounder of the group and

recently left the group for pursuit of this broader agenda of a custom solution for community restoration. give us a sense, if you would, about why you are making the decision to sort of shed an identity that has great currency for you and has some issues for you as everyone identity does. msnbc does for me. and i think all of us. why are you making this decision? >> really for me, it boiled down to philosophy. i'm a grass roots guy. i was just at the state capital with a bunch of tea partiers. and that's really who i am. it's about bringing power to the people at the local level. i just felt from my perspective, the tea party patriots have become this top-down organization raising multimillions of dollars. none of that money was flowing through. that's not what i was about. i fought to make that happen. also the organization was doing

things that associated it with the republican party. so when they sponsored the leadership debate, it was just kind of the final blow for me. >> so let's talk about what you think you can do and what the opportunity that really is for all americans right now to confront this issue of two sets of rules and to adopt this sort of 21st century concept that's really a throwback to the 1800s of custom solutions for community restoration. what does that mean for you? >> for me, fundamentally, it means self-governance. every community has the right to design its own solutions. those people in those communities know best. we have to erase the party lines. we have to get rid of the labels like left and right and conservative and liberal and

progressive. they don't mean anything to us. what they mean is they are tools used by the ruling elite to divide us and make us dislike each other so we don't work together to find solutions. it's profitable for the ruling elite to keep us separated. i'm working to bring people together to find the solutions you're talking about. >> two things that really stand out when you're doing triage in something like this is who doesn't have a house or food or who is being physically abused? our veterans come to mind. the criminal justice system comes to mind. how do you pursue this? and how do you respond to those who argue that this narrative is really just code for doing whatever you want and -- they are like the right wingers love to say that because it's just an excuse to tell everybody what to do. how do you respond to those narratives? >> i think that there are people on the right that would say the

left wingers are used to it. it goes both directions but the reality is, and you and i have talked to people that know what to do. they have solutions and fixing these problems. our job is to peel away that rhetoric. peel away the hyperbole and help the people that it are doing the hard work. >> you're referring to david kennedy, who we spent a bunch of time with who is sort of a custom motorcycle builder. bring him into the community and figure out what it has to look like. it's profound stuff that a lot of these people are showing us. >> it is. kennedy's book was compel inglio me. we got together and talked about that. there are folks from all over the country getting engaged in that. i was talking to people at tea party meetings. it crosses the divide. it's neither progressive nor conservative. it's not liberal or democrat.

it's not republican. what matters to me is it works. that's all i care about. >> the 21st century paradigm is men and women creating serious plans for serious solutions as o opposed to having food fights. let's talk about your book. why did you publish it? what's the goal what's the message? what is the purpose of this asset? >> there are two purposes for the book. one is to give a little perspective on where the tea party came from. i literally have been involved since the first days. i know where it came from. it's not what a lot of people think. it wasn't meant to be republican. it certainly is not right wing or left wing. i wanted to clear up the misconceptions. i also wanted to bring the wisdom of regular folks to the forward. they understand why the country is where it is. these are from people across the country. they have great ideas about how to fix it. these are a lot of ideas that

have come from upstate new york to southern california on the things we need to do to restore self-governance. >> one of my thrills of the past six months is my extension of you. i look forward over the course of the next year to further collaborate around mutual interests in community restoration. it's an admiral and remarkable cause that's open for all of us. that's the exciting thing. everybody can do it. >> everybody can do it and should do it. i appreciate that you have been open enough to have this dialogue with me. we'll continue this for a long time to come. >> 100%. it sure is a joyful path. mark meckler, the book tea party patriots, the second american revolution. it starts on the ground. think about your own hospital, your own school. six inches in front of your face and 60,000 feet out. how are you going to get there?

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it is monday and keli goff is here with a rant. >> while politicians have been busy inventing new issues for women to worry about, transvaginal ultrasound comes to mind, one of the most important issues continues to struggle to

generate meaningful attention from lawmakers. i'm hoping that might change. brokington hit the jackpot. he e learned hi won't serve a single day in jail for three sexual assaults despite dna linking him to the crime. the reason? it turns out by the time authorities got around to testing the evidence, the statute of limitations expired. it sat for a decade. we'd like to believe this case is a fluke and shameful as it may be, it's unlikely to happen again. but statistics along with interviews with representatives from some of the leading victims rights organization tell a different story. only five states in america have no statute of limitations for any felony. 27 states have dna exceptions. the justice department estimates there are at least 100,000 rape

kits witting to be tested at labs around america. it's worth noting the actual amount of evidence waiting to be tested nationwide is much higher than so 0,000 because before dna collection became the norm, there was no universal standard for storage of such evidence. meaning there was plenty of evidence stored in unknown plac places. this means the dna backlog and statute of limitations collide to create a perfect storm. the end result is regardless of whether or not dna evidence links a perpetrator to past crimes, he or she may end up impossible to prosecute. so what can we do to ensure fewer of these case are set free? contact your member of congress and urge him or her to support the safer act. the bill would create a national data base housed at the justice department to catalog rape kits

nationwide. it would then be used to keep track of which evidence ties the cases so prosecutors could act aaccordingly. secondly, contact your local officials and tell them you don't support statute of limitations. not in the age of dna. as the president of the rape, assault, and incest national network said during our interview, the rational is that memories fade. but dna doesn't fade. it's good forever. dylan? >> it's one of these 21st century issues where the modern recordkeeping, that is dna, since it is permanent but the structure is based on before this existed. >> that's right. >> we have to fix it. >> law hasn't caught up to technology. but there are things you can do. there's more information