>> brian writes, it's my birthday, come on, give me the tiger death stare. >> did you see the tiger death stare? let's take a look. he was asked a question of a book his response. we didn't slow this down, didn't freeze it. that's tiger staring at the guy who asked the question saying you're a beauty, have a good day. that was his response. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ ♪ the six o'clock alarm woulder in ring ♪ ♪ cheer up sleepy jean

oh what can it mean ♪ >> good morning, it is thursday, march 1st. welcome to "morning joe." with us onset, we have the chairman of deutsch incorporated, donny deutsch and financier steve rattner along with willie, joe, and me. >> you actually know who the monkeys are. >> i know who the monkeys are. >> really sad news yesterday, davie jones, 66 passed away in florida of a heart attack. and donny, you were, what? 9 when they came out in '66? >> yeah, and obviously as they sang, it was kind of my coming of age with the girls and the dance parties. monkeys were it. >> and they were in reruns so long that my generation and younger knows all about the monkeys. you saw the show for years. >> two years that show only ran. but it's this iconic -- especially the song and the intro to the show. and they were a great

counterbalance to turbulent times and very turbulent times these fun boy bands usually surface as the ultimate escapism. >> and you know what's interesting about the monkeys. they were the pre-fab four. they were completely fabricated. critics mocked them, ridiculed them as a beatles ripoff. but the fact of the matter is, all these years later, you go back in and look at these -- the songs and the catalog. they have great songs written by neal diamond, carol king, our good friend carol king. amazing songs that have survived. >> davie jones was 66 years old, and a father of four. some things you might not have known about him. he was actually aiming for a career on broadway. until the very day he saw the beatles perform on the ed sullivan show. and right at that moment he decided to devote himself to music landing a spot in the

monkeys a band created in the image of the fab four and they went on to score four number one albums on the billboard charts including those hits like "daydream believer" and "the last train to clarksville." >> and "another pleasant valley sunday," which carol king wrote about her life out in new jersey. you know, what's so fascinating about the story, steve rattner, is, of course that people were of age when the beatles played on ed sullivan remember exactly where they were. it was one of those moments where everything stopped. davy jones was on ed sullivan that night. and he was in the cast of "oliver," and so they were performing something and he looked and he said, that's what i'm going to do. he dropped everything and that's what he decided to do. one more person that the beatles amazing -- >> right. and obviously the monkeys were to some extent a knockoff of the beatles and we can all still sing their songs and i could sing it, but -- >> no, let's not do that. let's remember him this way.

>> and he was a major -- he was one of the heart throbs also. >> he was. >> he was on my wall -- >> you didn't have him on your wall. >> no, there was davy jones, david cassidy, those were the guys of the time. you talk to any woman of our contemporary age and he was the guy. >> no doubt about it. and we have a lot to talk about in news today. north korea, of course, talking about freezing their nuclear program. the possibility of $5 gas. we've got a lot of political news we're going to get to first. >> mitt romney and rick santorum. >> bob kerry talking about he's going to jump in the senate race and going to run. a lot of people very excited about that. but speaking of bob kerry, his name is attached to another news story. about the saudis and, wow, it's a big one. >> let's start there. after years of speculation, just filed affidavits of two ex-senators say the saudi

ar the attacks on 9/11. saying this, i am convinced there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the september 11th attacks and the government of saudi arabia. bob kerry says this. evidence relating to the plausible involvement of possible saudi government agents in the september 11th attacks has never been fully pursued. the statements are part of a decade-long lawsuit filed by families of 9/11 victims against the saudi government and other saudi institutions. washington is publicly standing by the saudis as the justice department works to have the lawsuit thrown out on grounds of international immunity. in november an appellate court reversed a previous decision that foreign nations are not immune to lawsuits under certain terrorism claims. >> steve rattner, the suspicion's always been there.

and i found it fascinating. you look at bob graham's statement. and bob graham a very, very respected moderate democrat, served his state and country admirably for years. pretty stunning statement by bob graham. but there have been these suspicions for a very long time. >> sure there have. and i think it may fall in the category of things you don't want to know. >> you don't want to know. >> the saudis supply over 10% of the world's oil, 12% or 14% at the moment, they're a critical ally in the middle east in many ways and some things you don't want to know. and i think this process may reflect a bit of that. >> and you look at those statements, donny, you helped people put out statements for a long time. he came out, he went there. but you look at what bob kerry said. he politely said what steve just suggested. they don't want to know the truth. these charges have never been fully pursued. >> and by the way, were any of us surprised?

did you hear? that's the kind of thing you almost -- the sad part you go, yeah, and. and i think that's the reality there. and i don't know where you go with this. >> i don't think we go anywhere, willie, because, unfortunately, for the families, you have a federal government. you have u.s. government that if this is the truth, it's the last thing they want to know. >> absolutely. and the saudis say this should be dismissed because they've been exonerated. >> but they have not been exonerated. this gets back to the core question, and it's our relationship with the saudis. we rely on them for something we need, but we don't share anything else in common with them in terms of values or the things they do, the way they run their government, the way their country is run, but they are our gas station in many respects and we keep that relationship with them. >> they're our gas station. we need them against iran. >> iran. >> you look at this news. and again, they're very hostile to iran right now. you look at the news, the tensions rising are going to lead possibly to $5 gas prices.

barack obama has very difficult choices to make. the tougher he is on iran, the tougher he is on american consumers. this is just -- i mean the front page of the paper is just all the evidence you need that we need to move beyond our dependence on foreign oil. it has held us hostage for the past 30 or 40 years. >> remember that not only are the saudis the world's largest oil producer, but they actually have virtually all of the world's reserve capacity. if iran were to go offline, it's the saudis we have to turn to and say, please, please, please pump some more oil. >> i'm curious with oil prices going up. for some reason, it doesn't seem to be hitting the same nerve as it usually hits when oil prices start to go. it does not seem to be setting the same shiver through the -- >> well, i think we're watching --

>> because you haven't had to put the 300 gallons in your yacht yet. when you start yachting out to the hamptons. >> you can't yacht to the hamptons, there are no yacht lanes, if you go to the hamptons you can drive or helicopter. but i was asking a serious question of our chief economic counselor here that for some reason it does not seem to -- to this point. >> nothing having to do with yachts. >> first of all, the average gasoline price at the moment is still $3.72 to be precise. people see these big stickers in big cities and they worry. and secondly, we do use less gasoline per capita per unit of gdp than we used to. the impact won't be as great. i think the political could be just as great or greater. >> this is really a political question more than anything and americans aren't focused on it yet because they aren't traveling yet. the kids get out of school, they get in the car, they -- you know, the people being hurt right now are people that

commute a very long way. truck drivers. but no, this is -- when the summer comes and gas is over $4 a gallon and it moves toward $5 a gallon, this is bad news. >> what are we going to do this summer? we haven't planned anything yet. >> you never invited me out to your mansion. >> alex, thank god, is saying no more, donny. i won't get to respond to that. >> well, i don't know what we're going to do this summer, but chances are good willie and i are going to be working in a lot of soup kitchens doing what we usually do. >> i know. connecting. >> east hampton to south. >> and of course, i've got my charity up on the island. >> i have not been invited to the vineyard. a lot of my -- you go there every summer. >> no, i don't. >> yes, you do. >> no, i don't. >> where are you -- >> he wouldn't be caught dead on the vineyard. he goes to nantucket. >> isn't it the same thing? >> i go to pensacola. i don't like donny at all. i go to pensacola, florida. it's my home.

let's go and ben bernanke had stern warnings. >> yeah, could be political game changers in the coming months and then we'll get to what really happened in michigan. but first as you mentioned, joe, federal reserve chairman ben bernanke is offering a stern warning when it comes to the economy suggesting recent signs of recovery could be compromised by what happens in washington, d.c. and testimony before congress yesterday, bernanke warned that a one-two punch of spending cuts and tax hikes may be more than the nation's economy can handle. >> monetary policy is not a panacea that it can help offset cyclical fluctuations and financial crises like we've had. but the long-term health of the economy depends mostly on decisions taken by congress and the administration. i think you also have to protect the recovery in the near term under current law on january 1st, 2013, there's going to be a massive fiscal cliff of large spending cuts and tax increases.

>> ben bernanke yesterday, steve rattner, gave what i think some of the most fascinating testimony i've heard from a fed chairman. this is a conservative guy. he's a fiscal hawk. he's been saying for years they've got to curb the deficits and their spending ways. but here he is saying you do not want to end the bush tax cuts as well as slash spending at the same time. it's going to have a bad impact on the economy's recovery. >> i think what he's saying is what the sensible center would say, yes, we need long-term debt reduction, yes we have to deal with these liabilities, but if you do it too quickly, you're going to put the brakes on the american economy and cut this recovery off. and you were in the uk the other day, you see they did austerity very quickly, the economy is slower, we can argue the merits, but there's a direct relationship. and he's saying let's do it one step at a time. let's not go off a cliff. >> it's amazing how the uk is

basically the same thing we're fighting here and they've decided to go more austere route, mika, but all of the western governments are having to balance the need to grow the economy with reining in these crippling debts. >> the ultimate conversation. >> it is a dangerous, dangerous dance. >> it is. big news out of afghanistan. just quickly, but first, though, north korea suspending major parts of its nuclear program in exchange -- >> again, oh, good. >> in exchange for food aid from the u.s. this comes two months after kim jong-un took over. >> don't hold your breath, but it's better than nothing. i want to get to afghanistan where this morning two american nato troops have been shot dead by a pair of gunmen. one of whom is believed to be an afghan soldier. if confirmed, it would mark the latest example of an afghan soldier or militant imposter killing a member of the international coalition. today shooting follows a period of heightened violence in the

region after last week's koran burnings at a u.s. military base. the "associated press" is reporting more than 30 deaths has been linked to the destruction of those islamic texts. that situation is still spinning out of control. let's get now to politics. mitt romney may have taken second place on tuesday's primary. but rick santorum is arguing -- >> wait, now first place. rick santorum -- >> typo. >> rick santorum may have taken second place. >> yeah, okay. >> but i think -- >> now rick santorum is saying he actually is the real winner, mitt romney first place. the final breakdown from michigan shows that santorum will evenly split the state's 30 delegates with mitt romney. santorum says if mitt romney can't win decisively on his home turf that his entire candidacy needs to be reevaluated. >> we won michigan last night by coming out of michigan with 15 delegates out of 30 delegates in

mitt romney's home state. being outspent 6 to 1, we went into his backyard, he spent a fortune, money he had no intention of spending and we came out of there with the same number of delegates he does. we are in great shape going into this election. we are excited about what's going to happen on super tuesday. we went into michigan, i don't know if you're listening. we went into michigan and we were able to pull off the impossible. >> here we go. >> you think he believes what he's saying? >> i don't in that sound bite. >> there was merit to what he said. look, a win's a win a win, we know that. but in reality, if somebody a month ago or two months ago said he's going to come within three points be outspent six to one and frankly to your point, had he not been mouthing off in the previous week -- >> he would've won. >> so he really shot himself in the foot. now you go, okay, it's all ohio. and my new name for mitt romney is weeble.

remember the weebles wobble but they don't fall down. but ohio is it, it's the game. >> he's a weeble. you know the thing is -- i'm sorry, i'm going to piss some people off here. it's over. no, it's over, if santorum had beaten romney in michigan, it would have shaken the race up to such a degree that i think he could've given him a charge. he had his chance, he blew his chance. if i were rick i would be saying the same exact thing, i hate to upset people, but the fact is, romney has all the built-in advantages. he had one chance to take him down and he blew it. >> look, i agree with that. but i would put one asterisk on it and it's ohio. the polls are obviously not favorable to romney at the moment. it's a key state. it's not his state. he's not from there. it'll be interesting to see what happens. my take away from what happened in michigan. i don't really care who won and who lost. it shows me that romney is a

flawed candidate. he's in his home state, all the money in the world, he wins by three percentage points, comes in even in delegates against the guy who is so incredibly extreme and so far to the right and a guy who lost his last election by 16 percentage points. i don't know why he's qualified frankly to be president. >> how does he answer? >> you say to yourself, this is what the republicans are -- >> the fact is we've been saying that around this table and i understand, steve, and i've been saying it for a long time the republicans have been doing poorly. willie, you look at the match-up between romney and obama. the gallup poll, mitt romney ahead of barack obama in the head-to-head national match-up. >> if you're betting money, he's the guy who is going to be the nominee. he's going to be the nominee. but what the split in delegates, the 15-15 split, the race is going to go on. santorum's going to win southern states, perhaps, on super

tuesday, it'll go on. he's getting money, bunch of donors, the big-money guy behind him. this race can go on and on and on. it's not over. it's not over next week. >> what does this mean? we have all been talking for months about how flawed this republican field is. what does it say that despite all the flaws and despite all the fumbles and despite all of mitt romney's gaffes and despite mitt romney's stiffness if you look at the latest gallup poll out, romney has 50% to barack obama's 46%. >> it says that if -- >> what does that say about barack obama? >> if we're looking at the menu and it's choice "a" or choice "b," people don't want either. >> that surprises me. does that surprise you? because barack obama has had a really good two months politically. >> and you said it the other day yesterday, he's really finding his voice. what it says is that six months ago, everybody including the

upper east side liberals were ready to bail on obama and then we started to look at choice "b," and go -- >> you were never going to leave obama. >> no, no, no -- not true. >> donny -- >> the reason also this is not going to end. it's very interesting. >> you going to vote for herman cain? >> no, i'm going to tell you why santorum is going to win ohio. if you notice what's happening each time. we the media are co-conspirators. we don't want this to end. i think what happens subconsciously, the media during the next week is going to prop up santorum. they're going to find reasons to go, no, it's not over and this is going to continue. santorum's going to win ohio and we're going to continue doing this and i think at that point you go, how does a guy who can't win ohio -- and we've seen the stats from your early show, if you can't carry ohio in your own primary? >> mark it down, what's today? willie? march 1st, it's over. mark it down. why is the president -- who has

had a very good couple of months politically, why is he four points down in this latest? it's a snapshot. he could be four points up a week from now. we know that. >> it's a snapshot and romney has been in the news a lot and that may account for some of the people. but the polling source i particularly favor won't come as a surprise to you intrade. and you look, 60% probability of obama being reelected over any republican. and i think obama is actually sitting pretty well right at this minute. >> by the way over, obama will be reelected. there's always a story to be written. europe can fall apart, but if things continue as they are, i don't see either of these people, certainly not santorum, i don't see romney beating -- >> it depends on the economy. >> you listen to ben bernanke testifying yesterday, it's not as rosy as some have said. things are getting better slowly, but bernanke talking about unemployment at least at 8.3% through the end of the year, potential of the country going off. >> but that's a win, isn't it?

>> well, that's still a lot of people who don't have jobs who are disappointed. >> is it a win for obama? >> i think anything close to 8% is positive for the president. >> the question about the unemployment rate is going to be particularly complicated right now because so many people have dropped out before. we're going to have steady job growth between now and the end of the year, the economy will get gradually better. the headline number of unemployment is harder to predict right now. >> really quickly, if i'm obama, i shot bin laden in the head, i saved the auto industry, unemployment's in the right direction and i'm for fairness. that's a tough thing to argue against. >> yeah. >> and this summer, let's see what gas prices do, the economy does, and let's look at iran because those are all in the rearview mirror. george bush at the end of 1991 could've said the soviet union shut down christmas day, a year later it's over. let's look at how the tabloids remembering davy jones. here, of course, is the "new york daily news," davy, and

here's the new york post, tears for davy jones. what's next, mika? all right. presidential candidate -- >> i miss him. nothing, go ahead. buddy roemer will be here on the set, harvard professor lawrence lessig and danny delawadevito will join us onset. 24 hours from right now, the town of harrisburg, illinois, was changed forever. ef-4 tornado went through southern illinois and in that town alone, six fatalities, over 100 injuries, and you can just see what an ef-4 tornado can do with winds of 180 miles per hour, you can take whole structures and buildings down and flip 18-wheelers. yesterday, we had 20 confirmed tornadoes, 30 preliminary reports, of course the strongest one, the one we showed you the pictures of was located right there in harrisburg, illinois.

as far as what we're dealing with, we have some thunderstorms this morning in areas of georgia and south carolina, but it's not going to be severe. later tonight, we start our next severe threat with just some hail in areas from st. louis to memphis, but it's friday afternoon, friday evening, another tornado outbreak. possibly a large outbreak. northern alabama into areas of kentucky, tennessee, watch out from indianapolis to columbus and louisville and lexington, this will be a big severe weather outbreak. again, friday afternoon, friday eveni evening. don't forget in new england, a winter storm to deal with. and a lot of kids with the day off of school because we are expecting north of boston upwards of a foot of snow during the day today. south of new york city, no problems whatsoever. in the middle of the country, day of cleanup today, severe weather and storms moves your way tomorrow. "morning joe" brewed by starbucks.

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they spent a lot of time in michigan. and there was a great pressure on him to win -- but you could see at the very last -- even yesterday, he was beginning to crumble. a little -- just a little crack, mitt romney. did you see the tape? >> why are you having such a tough time locking up your home state against rick santorum? >> well, i'm proud of the fact that i was born and raised in michigan and last time when -- >> see? >> while campaigning in arizona, mitt romney visited the four corners monument, becoming the first candidate ever to disappoint four states at once. >> concerned about what's happening in this great country. >> that title again was mitt romney master campaigner.

>> all right. 27 past the hour, time now to take a look at the morning papers. "the guardian," the man at the center of the news of the world hacking scandal james murdoch has stepped down as executive chairman of "news international," he'll head the new york quarters of news corp. >> how significant is that for news corp.? >> the question is whether they violated the practices act, which prevents new corporations from bribing or paying off people to get business and the evidence is mounting that they did give a lot of money to scotland yard detectives to get news for the "sun." >> watch for lockland to come back. he was a favorite, a little bit of a rebel. i wouldn't be surprised if he starts to surface. great kid, by the way. "the boston globe," a poll on the massachusetts senate race shows senator scott brown with a wide lead over democratic challenger elizabeth warren.

the poll conducted by "opinion dynamics" of cambridge shows brown leading warren 52% to 42% in a theoretical match-up which i guarantee you will go late into the night. >> yeah. >> election night in november. >> great race. >> it's going to be a tight race. >> but this is good news. >> that's right. >> i love her and don't underestimate her. >> he found the one republican he can support in scott brown. >> it shows you can be a centrist. with all the discussions, "the times" article that the center is going away. here's a guy who is locked in the center and obviously very popular. >> i think he may knock on doors for you this fall. >> elizabeth warren is not locked in the center. >> what she has done for this country and what she's tried to do. >> two great candidates. >> steve, what has she done for this country in your opinion? >> excuse me. >> mika, we'll take this offline. how's that?

>> don't bring your -- >> you still can't believe she -- >> can i share this? >> people hunt, donny. i've got news for you. >> this flower, this wonderful, gorgeous woman hunts deer, shoots them, guts them -- i have to ask you a question, this is not my liberal thing. i'm not passing judgment, i'm asking. i could not shoot a gun at a deer. >> you bring it up here on your shoulder. >> you're holding it like dan quayle. >> i could not -- it's a life and i know you can rationalize it. but i couldn't sure a defenseless animal. >> all right elmerfudd. >> it's the circle of life, donny. and quite frankly, you eat them. >> you shoot them and gut them on the spot. >> that makes them lighter. >> right. you drag them out. >> i have video -- >> i'm not offended. i'm more curious. everybody does their thing, but maybe i'm a little wimpy, i couldn't do it. >> let's open up the politico playbook and gut it of all the

information, willie. >> he's got the big show. >> this is a new segment. every week. >> i hunt varmets. >> you don't use weapons, you use your fist. >> let's go to politico. mike allen with a look at the playbook. mike, good morning. >> hey, good morning guys. >> there was a lunch at the white house, private lunch in the west wing yesterday. president obama hosting some congressional leaders. giving the appearance, at least, that the two sides are willing to work this year. is it anything more than an appearance, though? >> it is. and it's very rare that i have good news for joe. it's very rare that i have news where joe will say, yeah, baby. the house republicans are taking a different approach to the white house, the just win approach, think small. we've talked about how both the speaker and the white house have an incentive to at least look like they're doing something.

and they're doing that. house republicans are going to work with the white house on some small business bills, on the stock -- on the ban on insider trading for congress on stocks. and a meeting at the -- in the capitol basement on tuesday, speaker boehner talked to the house republicans and said, look, we need to be smart, focused, and this is a revelation of them. he says we need to think about all our members, not just the ones in heavy republican districts. so house republicans are going to work with the white house on small bills. they're going to look at visa reform, pension reform. you saw a little preview of this when they didn't have any deadline drama over the payroll taxes. so they're not going to do something big, not going to do comprehensive immigration reform, but they are going to get some small things done. >> they want to look like they're doing things together. some small things. >> it's historic, though, and it's important.

because i think everybody in washington's realized there's a possibility that barack obama gets reelected, republicans take over the senate as well as the house, and then they're going to be staring at each other and they know there can't be an impasse for four years. so this may be a good step forward. >> yeah, baby. >> yeah, baby. >> i don't want to be cynical before 6:35 in the morning, but i'll believe it when i see it. >> thanks. >> y'all have a good day. >> is that how you do it, donny? you look like pocahontas. >> i finally found something that donny, i, and tiger woods have in common. >> the death stare? a death stare to a writer who dares asking -- >> wait, golf writers don't ask fair questions, they lick his boots, right? >> not now, he's a weakened tiger. keep it on "morning joe." [ female announcer ] if whole grain isn't the first ingredient

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>> we like it. it's our favorite thing in the world. >> yesterday, at a press conference ahead of a tournament he's playing in. >> is he playing golf? >> yeah. playing better. >> has he won a tournament? >> late last year, almost won this year. >> it was like an overseas tourname tournament. so there's an upcoming book, his former swing coach, a friend of his, six years. >> you got a swing coach. >> no, tiger has a swing coach. >> there's an excerpt in "golf digest" in the april issue, his former coach says tiger considered walking away from golf at the peak of his career to become a navy s.e.a.l. tiger was dead serious about this, he was 27 years old and ready to walk away to become a navy s.e.a.l. >> i was thinking about doing that. >> yesterday at his press conference tiger was asked about the book and particularly about this navy s.e.a.l. story. >> it's a fair question. >> what's the problem. >> specifically with regards to

being a navy s.e.a.l. at the height of your career. was that something you're considering? >> i've already talked about everything. in the book, yes, i've already commented on everything, alex. >> i must have missed you answering that question. >> well, i've already commented on the book. is that in the book? is it in the book? >> okay, let's move on, brian. >> you're a beauty, you know that? >> that's a fair question. you're suggesting there's something wrong with the excerpts in the book i'm trying to find out if that's true or not. >> i don't know. >> brian, have a good day. >> as a branding guy, i would say to this guy -- >> awful. >> you have a chance to reinvent yourself. be humble now. -- >> he was for like a year. >> make fun of yourself. don't you get it, dude? >> he's not capable of it. >> other than lebron james, the most unlikable athlete we have seen -- >> this is a guy that lives in such a bubble, willie.

let's tell the truth about golf writers usually. they're sycophants. >> for the last 15 years, tiger woods has essentially been the only thing that matters in golf. so if you lose access for at least the prospect of access to tiger woods you kind of have nothing. over the last couple of years he's been weakened and the game has moved on to such a degree that i think the golf press is probably more emboldened than it was in the past. >> i don't think that was emboldened, it was a simple question. >> and it's interesting. >> and i don't think that's something to be embarrassed about. >> no, it's a good thing. mama mia, there was a soccer game yesterday too, wasn't there? >> yes, there was the kicking game where you can't use your hands. >> what are you talking about? >> this one. the guys without the hands, the shorts. >> used to play kick ball. >> come on, this is the united states against italy, italy one of the greatest teams on the planet. and -- >> that's not -- >> usa scores, why do you hate america?

why do you hate america? >> i love america. >> scoring there and roger bennett tweeted this, i would not want to be in the italian team's bunga bunga room tonight. >> oh, roger. >> just a victory with symbolic power for the united states of america. why is it that we can have a brit that loves his country more than you do, donny? >> well, if you saw the clip from the great pro mmo of you early in the morning. of you and roger? the promo? >> nobody thinks this is davy jones here singing, right? >> it is davy -- >> i think it's -- oh, it's a good song. anyway, we remember davy jones here by playi ining hermitts hermitts. get some dave clark five next.

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♪ hey, welcome back to "morning joe." we continue t.j.'s tribute to davy jones by playing songs done by bands other than the monkeys. this, of course, the dave clark five "glad all over." but davy jones passing away at 66. you obviously -- you were old enough to know. how old were you in 1966 when the monkeys broke?

>> 6. >> 6 years old. >> it's perfect. we had big battles, monkeys or the beatles. obviously the monkeys were a better band. a lot more musical talent, a lot more staying party. >> better dressers. >> the monkeys? what? >> i'm kidding. no, but it's funny when you're in second grade, first grade, these were real debates we were having. on the way to school. >> and the editing director of "fortune" magazine -- >> you look at the videotape and we'll go to this. look at "daydream believer" video. there's something that cut through the ugliness of the '60s. they're playing with a tamberine doing funny stuff. and boy, they really connected. >> people like donny. >> they were -- you could argue a political band. i've said this before. no, in the most troubling times, that's when you get the most bubble gummy type. >> we have some great must-reads. but first, we are going to

unveil the cover of "fortune" magazine. >> it's about facebook. let's talk about facebook and then i'd love to talk about privacy. it seems with facebook and google and apple yesterday in the "new york times," a lot of privacy concerns. >> but the first thing is, of course, these guys are going to be going public over the next couple of months, 843 million users even if you consider only half of them are active. it's the fastest growing and biggest media company in the history of the planet and it was only started eight years ago in a harvard dorm room by mark zuckerburg and his pals. and if you saw the movie "social network," it's somewhat accurate. >> some of it's true. >> some of it is true. >> but there's a hacker culture. that's what they call it. and it's not like involuntary manslaughter -- anonymous. and what mark zuckerburg is trying to do. they go public is to maintain that ethos, that culture, an entrepreneurial culture, it's very, very hard to do, and they're trying to codify it by

having these hackathons where people try to stay up all night and code and come up with new products like time line, like chat, and the valuation is supposed to be at $100 billion. >> in the sort of off market. >> which is going to be one of the biggest ipos of all time. >> i'm going to ask a very simplistic question versus google. yes, they have close to 1 billion users, but there will be the new facebook, by definition, a social media, and even to zuckerburg's point, he made this cool. so versus google where i don't see anybody catching up with the technology, i don't see this thing as bulletproof. >> no, what this has is community. when you've got the 830 million users, it's very sticky, very hard to disaggregate it. my question about facebook would be, look, google has an obvious advertising model. if you search for waterproof shoes and you get ads for

waterproof shoes, you click on them. and the question is whether facebook can monetize these 830 million users in a way that makes a lot of money. >> and you saw yesterday, facebook had a big press conference in the natural history museum to address that point, steve. they've only got about $4 billion of advertising. and if they got $1 of advertising from every user, that would be terrific. but they're looking to monetize it which is commercialize the site and that may make it less cool. >> the yin and yang of the movie and zuckerburg said if we put ads on it, it's not cool, that's why his partner went away. and there is, i see a major potenti weakness in the armor. >> i think google is a bulletproof franchise. >> search. >> they're the only player in search. i do think that facebook is over that hump of getting to the critical mass that allows them to keep going. and so i don't see -- >> they're going to keep going.

but two years from now, we're going to be talking about xt-4 whatever it is, the 13-year-olds have discovered, oh, my parents are on facebook. >> to your point, donny, myspace was hot, the only game in town until it wasn't and then it was facebook. let's talk about you brought up google. i saw yesterday in the "new york times" the story about apple how people are creating apps are figuring out how to go on to your iphone, steal your address book, steal your photos. i'm sitting here shocked going, you mean apple is allowing people to come into my apple itunes store and letting me purchase an app where people are stealing my pictures? why is apple not doing anything to stop this? why is google giving us these constant reminders basically saying, you know, we have a new privacy policy, which is there is going to be no privacy. when are people going to start handling, you know, protecting our information, protecting our address books, protecting all of

this? are we just to assume that there's no such concept as privacy when you play with these big tech guys? >> well, it's so new, the companies don't know how to handle it. basically the four big companies, amazon, apple, google, facebook are collecting so much data about you. every time you click and facebook click around, they're collecting more and more data about you. they're trying to figure out the model, the government, obviously, in no way is able to keep up. consumers have no idea what's going on. but this is a huge problem and the real frontier in terms of consumers interfacing or using these technologies. >> all right. we'll get to the must reads later, up next, willie's news you can't use. [ male announcer ] there's been a lot of talk about the chevy volt lately. how about some facts? the chevy volt was one of the most awarded cars in 2011. the volt's battery has been tested for more than 395,000 hours.

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oh, please tell us it's time. >> it's time for the news you can't use. >> bring it. >> an unlikely source talking about hipsters. >> what? >> i would argue one of the least hip in the united states congress. i don't mean that as -- >> who's that? >> you'll see. one senator talking about president obama accusing him of being a hipster. >> what? >> the decision by the president to kill the keystone pipeline put environmental interest groups ahead of the needs of workers, commuters, and families. president obama has traded in the hard hat and lunch bucket

category of the democratic party for a hipster fa dor ra and a double latte. >> the keystone pipeline and leaning toward the environmental -- >> what staffer wrote that? >> pretty good line. >> yeah, but not -- i mean -- >> i don't know. >> the medium is the message. probably not orrin you want delivering that line. >> you mean the senior senator from utah is not the guy to be talking about hipsters? >> what else? yesterday a town hall meeting in ohio. mitt romney talking guns as he's asked about. >> oh. >> mika -- >> i believe in the second amendment, protect the second amendment. i have guns myself, i'm not going to tell you where they are. don't have them on myself either. all right. >> he's talking guns in ohio yesterday. reminded us of some previous comments he made about five years ago.

>> oh, five years ago. >> i'm not a big game hunter. i made it very clear. i've always been if you will a rodent and rabbit hunter small varmets, if you will. since then, more than two times, i also hunted quail in georgia. >> hey, willie. >> there you go. >> who uses that word these days? >> yeah, i like that. so i've got a question for you, willie. >> yeah. >> if we had -- maybe we start a pool here. >> sure. >> who is more likely to shoot themselves in the end? mitt romney or donny deutsch? >> literally shoot themselves in the foot? >> no, if you were to hand them a gun -- >> i think it's donny. >> which one would shoot themselves? >> based on what i saw this morning with donny holding it like this. >> you guys wait for me to leave -- >> making fun of his gun skills. >> i'm on stage and it's love,

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when is your prom? >> friday night. >> okay. friday night it is. >> yeah! >> i didn't know we had an audience. >> those are my brothers and sisters. you want to come to the prom? >> well, there is one little problem.

>> what? >> well, i don't have a date. do you know a girl that would like to go with me? >> do i. >> well, how about the flip side? >> good old days. >> i remember that episode. welcome back to "morning joe." donny deutsch, steve rattner, and joining us from washington, washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. >> they love it. that's what we call timely. >> and of course, we just saw that clip because davy jones passed away at the age of 66, had a heart attack yesterday. very sad, survived by a wife and i believe four girls. >> four daughters, yeah.

but obviously, yeah, donny, that takes you back, doesn't it? >> yeah, it does, and we were talking in the last hour it was no coincidence that the monkeys were as successful as they were. the tougher the times, the more bubble gummy the band and the monkeys -- >> and they were better than the beatles. >> yeah. >> yeah, we better bring in katty kay. >> yeah. they were better -- >> hold on. hold on, everybody. so katty, you know, actually i was believe it or not -- i was in london this past weekend, and decided -- >> i read your blog, joe. >> i was so boring -- >> the rough life you had. >> yeah, because i'm so boring, i saw top of the pops and they were doing boy bands and they showed the monkeys and said they started out as this pre-fabricated band, but actually had a big impact in britain and america. >> they won us over and it

wasn't because davy jones was a brit. who couldn't love the monkeys? "clarksville," adorable. if my editor wouldn't fire me, i'd been singing on air last night. it makes you want to sing. they had great character. there was something kind of cheerful about them. you know, made you want to watch. made you want to watch, but it was the tunes themselves made you want to sing. and i think what more could you ask for? >> what more could you ask for? and beach boys had a hard time selling albums when the '60s took that turn in '65, '66, '67. you know what's amazing, they were concocted by tv executives. we're going to have an american version of the beatles, except for davy jones. and they just made them up out of thin air and from that came a group that just listened to

people talk around the table today really stood the test of time. and of course, davy johnse yy j the one out front. >> 66 years old, so young. >> one of the tv shows like that at the time, that was "batman," it had the same vibe. it was in on the joke with its audience. >> batman better than superman. >> yep. all right. >> enough of pop culture. and certainly -- but let's -- >> worth mentioning, for sure. rick santorum may have taken second place in tuesday's primary, but he's arguing now that he's the real winner in michigan. the final breakdown from michigan shows that santorum will evenly split the state's 30 delegates with mitt romney's. santorum says if mitt romney can't win decisively on his home turf that his entire candidacy needs to be reevaluated. >> we won michigan last night by coming out of michigan with 15 delegates out of 30 delegates in mitt romney's home state.

being outspent 6 to 1. we went into his backyard. he spent a fortune, money he had no intention of spending, and we came out of there with the same number of delegates he does. we are in great shape going into this election. we are excited about what's going to happen on super tuesday. we went into michigan. i don't know whether you guys are listening. we went into michigan and we were able to pull off the impossible. >> yeah. mitt romney is arguing that democrats are responsible for santorum's strong finish in michigan. >> well, they've got the news from everyone from michael moore to barack obama's team to frankly rick santorum, as well, saying go play mischief in the republican party, vote against mitt romney, and try and give this to rick santorum. you know, they don't want to face me in the fall, they'd rather face rick santorum. and so they came in large numbers and voted for rick. you know, i think that was a huge mistake on his part. republicans saw right through that and saw that if barack obama wants rick santorum to run

against, we're not going to give him rick santorum to run against. >> interesting. here's what matt miller writes in the "washington post." the republican crack-up. see if you agree with this, joe, only two options ahead for the gop. either the wounded romney limps across the finish line or party big wigs pull a rabbit from the hat and find a more palatable alternative. if romney coasted to the nomination, it could have kept independents of stature on the sidelines because everyone knows romney is basically a pragmatic centrist, so there would have been little open terrain to a run-up to the center. but as tuesday's narrow escape proves, romney's dream of quick closure has faded. even if he wins the nod, he's been severely damaged. as a result, the next 90 days may be the most interesting we've seen in presidential politics in a generation. >> well, it may be except for the fact we know who is going to win this thing. again and i know that's

maddening because for a lot of santorum supporters because the delegate count was split 15-15. but you look at the built-in advantages that mitt romney has. you have one chance to take out a king. he fired, he missed, and i think that's it. it is going to go on. and on and on. because whether you're talking about newt or santorum, they're going to have a lot of super pac money. ron paul's not going anywhere. this is going to go to the convention, but there's not going to be any white knight on a stallion riding in to the tampa convention hall because that ended wi ee eed with mitt' win. >> could santorum be the v.p.? >> he could've if he'd been smart and taken that iowa speech where he said game on, donny, and talked about peering over the casket seeing his

grandfather's large hands that had gone in the coal mines every day and dug up more than coal, a future for his children and grandchildren. it was a great story about the american dream. but we went from talking about that to talking about contraception, talking about him wanting to throw up on himself because of john kennedy talking about being a snob if you want to go to college. on and on. he just lost control of the message. and yes, the press is unfair. they seize on these statements. but guess what? the same thing happens after you're president of the united states. if you say something wrong, it's not just american papers it printed, it's papers across the world. and right now, he doesn't have the discipline to be president of the united states. >> he started believing too much in himself. he said, wow, now i can really be rick santorum. and people are really liking me, so i can say what i really believe such as throwing up about a jfk speech about church and state. i want to go back to what you said.

because clearly the delegates are not going to be locked up at the convention. explain to me why a jeb bush cannot and would not come riding in? >> because you -- you're talking about. and let's go to katty kay here. you're talking about it's not like a british election where, you know, you invade -- you defend the falklands, let's say, your numbers go up. >> i'm not going to go there, joe. >> and you run three months later. american elections take a couple of years. and there's no way that jeb and chris christie and these guys are going to have a three-month campaign against the president. >> look, the parliamentary process is totally different. we have our leadership contest behind the closed doors and you are the leader of the party and you run as the leader of the party. the process means there's a certain amount of airing of

dirty party linen in public. that's what always happens, right? either it produces a stronger candidate or damages the party in the process. and this time around the republican party is being damaged by this long, bruising battle amongst itself. i had a chance to sit down with jeb bush recently and put it to him, the party's in trouble, so many people are saying they want you to run. why don't you run? and he makes the point very openly about the bush family name. he says i'm proud of my family name, but in the country of 300 million people, it would be a little weird, right? is how he put it to me. to have three presidents from the same family. he realizes that it's -- the party may at the moment may all be saying jeb run. but jeb comes with baggage too. and he would have to explain the family name or explain the rationale of having three presidents from the same family. >> there's definitely -- >> there's an issue there.

>> katty, i wonder also as we -- you know the discussion revolves around bemoaning the state of the republican party. if you look at the latest gallup head-to-head match-up, mitt romney beats obama 50% to 46%. and you would think at this point giving the four factors you named last hour the economy to everything, even the situation with the auto industry, you'd think obama would be doing better and perhaps this is a little bit dramatic on the part of those in the media talking about the state of the republican party. >> right. and, listen, everybody knows the recovery is fragile. a look at those numbers, mika, and you're right, they are kind of surprising given everything that we've been talking about in the press over the last month, the improvement in the president's fortunes. but stan greenberg has an interesting poll out a few days ago in which he shows actually most americans are not seeing, yet, the improvement in the economy. they're not feeling it yet. and i think that could well point to why the match-up

numbers to the extent that, you know, people are focused on this. clearly at the moment why those haven't improved yet for the president. i thought greenberg's polls suggesting that round in family homes as people are looking for work, still filling their cars with ever increasing gas, things are not looking as good as we here might think they are, you know, the numbers suggest they should be. >> and the president has a very difficult -- there's a difficult dance. because on one hand, you want to say things are getting better. the numbers are improving, there are indicators out there that things are getting better. you say that too much, though, you sound insensitive to the people that are still hurting. >> that's exactly the message he's been trying to convey. saying both of those things. things are getting better, they're not good enough, we have a lot more work to do and i'm the good to do it. >> if you're a trickle down guy, i was having a conversation with my sister who is a top real estate broker in weston, massachusetts, an affluent suburb, she said three months

ago a switch happened and all of a sudden the $2 million homes which are very affluent there which weren't moving, she says, flying. so if you're a subscriber and you see walmart stock but people like macy's and people like nordstrom's doing well you go, okay, maybe -- >> if things continue -- well, if things continue the way they are now, people will feel it. there's no question about that. companies are going to start to hire, paying dividends, earnings, the stock market's going to go up. people will start to see it. the oil and gas industry, for instance, we're here on the coast, is booming in this country which is providing thousands of jobs in the middle of the country. >> i want to ask both of you guys a question. we've heard since, my gosh, you can go all the way back to 2008. people saying that there are trillions of dollars on the sidelines. people are afraid to put that money, invest that money into america. a lot of cash sitting in banks right now. do you think that we're going to face one of these recoveries

that when it rains it pours the second things start feeling better? good money starts getting thrown in? >> everything you said is true, but i don't think it's going to be when it rains, it pours. hopefully when it rains, it rains harder. because the one thing among the things dragging the economy back is the fact wages haven't gone up. for the average american, the one that doesn't have the trillions of dollars on the sidelines, they're still constra constrained. and as home prices are still not going up, in fact, they went down again in december, i think consumer purchasing power is being constrained and that's going to keep the recovery from really taking off. i think it's going to be this recovery for at least the rest of the year. >> how much of a drain on the middle class and on the working class, on the swing voters, on the blue-collar catholics is $5 gas? is that something that could really have a huge impact on the recovery moving forward? >> if that happens. >> the "new york times" is

talking about it today. >> well, that would be a real problem. and it would also cripple the trucking business and transportation in this country. we're not there, there's no guarantee we'll get there. you know, if there's not enough demand, the price won't go up that high. inflation adjusted basis historically, it's not as bad as it seems, but you know, it would definitely hurt. i still believe that companies will have to pay more in wages as the year continues. i think you're going to see more money come to consumers' pockets. >> what it's going to come down to. what is the economy? is the economy, the dow up 8% in the first month of this year? or is the economy the middle class worker whose wages haven't gone up yet? >> the economy politically, katty kay what the independent voters say the economy is. and i've got a feeling it's not the dow reaching 13,000. i've got the feeling it could be gas reaching $4.50 a gallon. >> i think you're right. exactly right, joe. in terms of actual voting and in terms of the white house's

prospects, it's completely how voters feel the economy is, not how economists point to the numbers. no the the numbers that the economists have pointed to. i've got a question for all the kind of brainiacs around your table. wh what's the lag time usually between the economists saying we're seeing the uptick starting and people feeling that uptick in their daily lives? can we quantify that? >> look, i don't think there's a rule of thumb. it's very, very gradual. and as i said, i think the big thing of dragging it back right now are unemployment and the fact the wages haven't gone up. and i don't know when wages are going to start to go up. >> and a lot of times, mika, you don't even know that the economy's turned around until it's turned around. a great example in november. the first tuesday in november, 1992, george h.w. bush was kicked out of office because of a sagging economy. one month later we find out that that economy grew at 4% that last quarter. >> the recession actually ended in march of 1991 and the

election was in the fall of 1992 and he lost. >> yeah. >> thank you very much. good to have you. katty kay, stay with us. up next, buddy roemer is back with us. >> all right. >> along with as promised harvard law professor lawrence lessig. >> they're going to run together. >> i think they should. >> but first, let's go to bill karins with more on the severe weather. >> the tornadoes hit areas of kentucky, missouri, and now ad tennessee to the list. helicopter bringing us new daybreak pictures above crossville, tennessee. there was a couple of tornafatas with this tornado too. this one probably had winds somewhere at 100 to 120 miles per hour. but it doesn't take much with these storms. that's why we're getting the first daylight pictures of this storm right now. now as far as what's considering severe weather. late tonight, damaging hail from

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professor, do you agree with me that of all the candidates that are out there right now in 2012, buddy roemer fits this profile best? and actually, i believe has the best message. pure message for 2012. >> absolutely. i've been with buddy, i had him at my house, i had all of my liberal friends. >> never, never, never let a guy from louisiana, an lsu fan in your house. >> well, there's something about --

>> hide everything. >> hide it all. >> former governor of louisiana, buddy roemer along with harvard law school professor lawrence lessig, author of the new book "one way forward. t . >> let's pretend buddy's not here. why does he have the best message for 2012? >> because like many people outside of the beltway, he's focused on the one issue that drives people nuts. the way this system is basically corrupted. and this corrupt system can't deliver what people on the left want or what people on the right want. it blocks both sides. and until we get someone to focus on this one issue and change this corruption, we're not going to get anywhere for either side of the party. >> do you think the president wanted to do that? >> absolutely. >> why do you think he didn't or couldn't? >> i had this moment where i was sitting in aspen and david axelrod sat down next to me and i asked him the question, what was the plan? you campaigned on the idea of

taking up the fight to change the way washington works. what was the plan? and the more i talked to him, the more i had to sense there was no plan. they got into office and they became the administration hillary clinton would have been. >> well, buddy, isn't it fair to argue that they -- once you get into office, the message is a lot harder to execute? it's a message that we all believe in. >> that's what campaigns are about, though, mika. they're about setting the agenda. they're about prioritizing what you're for. and you need to have some preparation to execute on that idea. let me say it again. i don't think administrations are characterized or graded about reactive stances or new ideas after they're elected. i think they're graded about how their ideas play during the campaign and their execution when in office. and i think what president obama has done was got tied into the problems of the economy, which is understandable and left his

priorities behind. if they were, in fact, priorities. and the issue is reform. the issue is reform. and the case point to study as analysts is the tax code. it's convoluted, it works against the average american, and you worry about this economy. there's no confidence out there because the president introduced seven new tax changes. in his state of the union message. a loophole here, a nod to that friend there. it's wrong, it needs to be cleaned up. and it won't happen until we reform our system. >> how do you do it? >> easier said than done. >> how do you make a difference? the president obviously raised a lot of money -- >> he raised a lot of money, mitt romney's raising a lot of money. you have to pay to play, don't you? >> it is. money is important in life and in politics. but i have always felt, joe, that if you set standards of

disclosure, limits. if you set standards that were realistic and appeal to the people rather than the special interest. larry has a saying that washington's not about left and right. it's about outsider and insider. and what i tried to do in this campaign -- i'd been unsuccessful so far. i've had modest success. what i've tried to do is appeal to the outsiders. those who have an interest in the future of america. and yet are not the inside special interest. if you can do that, joe, i'll give you a number. if you could attract 1 million americans out of 312 million, 1 million americans to give you $100 for reform, for putting america first, for having a unity ticket. if you can get 1 million americans at $100, that's more money than all of these guys have spent in the primary combined. >> make a big difference. let's go to katty kay. she has a question for you.

>> yeah, lawrence, i thought it was interesting what you write about in the book the inside and the outside, and of course, the amount of money in politics. the last british general election cost $75 million, which is bargain basement democracy compared to what they cost here. we now have the supreme court ruling that's opened the flood gates and it seems that this is going to have to be done by presidential leadership, but no president can get into office and stay in office if they don't take part in the system of super pacs, right? it's now so corrupted, the system, that how do you get out of it? >> no, that's exactly right. and you will see neither of the major party candidates in this election pick up this issue because it would be hypocritical. how can you take on super pacs while having your own super pac standing next to you raising all the money in the world. and the astonishing thing in the republican primary is that buddy who was literally the most qualified candidate on this ticket. so he was governor, four-time

congressman, couldn't get on stage because he couldn't demonstrate that he could raise enough money. and so until we have a way, a platform where people who don't have to raise an endless amount of money and have two or three super pacs behind them can put this issue before the american public, we're not going to have any chance. >> isn't it something else, professor, not just money. because we noticed it four years ago in the democratic primary. we sat there through one debate after another debate, watching joe biden and chris dodd. and hillary clinton turn in really positive debate performances. and yet they didn't have the snap, crackle, and pop that barack obama did that hillary clinton did. people like sarah palin grabbing attention and herman cain going around saying 9-9-9. i don't think it's just the money. i think there's a more superficial aspect to national

campaigns now than there was before. >> what's causing the pop? i mean, i agree with you. we're always looking for the candidate who pops. and in this republican primary season, it was all the outsiders who were popping. not outsiders in the way i'm talking about, but people appealing to a strong base. but in the 2008 election, what was it that made barack obama exciting relative to hillary clinton? it's because he said he would take up the fight to change the way washington works. and hillary clinton -- >> whoa, whoa, whoa -- made him exciting. he was the first african-american potential -- that's ground breaking, let's not put that under the rug. he was a rock star and that's what we look for. presidential campaigns are long television shows and we love to watch. why was donald trump all of a sudden on top of the pack? he was fun to watch. when we elect the president, we're inviting him into our homes. i don't want mitt romney in my home. he's going to put me to sleep. hillary clinton, barack obama

were exciting people. so the republicans have not put forward an exciting television star candidate. and that's what it's all about. >> we can agree -- >> can i say really quickly, professor, before you respond, i think it's just fair for us to say for the record, mitt romney doesn't want to go to donny deutsch's house either. >> especially -- >> we can agree about that. >> we can agree about that. >> gross. >> barack obama had no chance. everybody said he had no chance against hillary clinton. the reason he had a chance was that hundreds of thousands of people gave him small contributions to say take on this system. so it was -- >> we wanted to see that television show. it was compelling. barack obama and hillary clinton was a -- >> i was in that campaign from the very beginning. from the very beginning. >> i disagree with donny. i think it's always a component part how do you look? how do you act? do you make me laugh? that's always a part of it. but at the end of the day, americans vote in their family's

best interest. at the end of the day, america has demonstrated for 200 years the ability to pick amongst abraham lincoln and somebody else. donny, donny, don't trivialize it. >> i'm not at all. >> sounds like you are. >> i'm doing the opposite of trivializing it. >> how does money corrupt? you've talked about banking reform. tell us really quickly, buddy, some of the way that money corrupts washington and stops reform dead in its tracks. >> look at the tax code. larry gives examples in his book, i can give examples in my life. you were a member of congress, how often do you make a permanent change in the tax code? zero. it's always done for one year, two years, three years, four years. you know why? because congressmen like to raise money when it comes up three years later and they go back to the same business interest and say, look, i did this for you once, i'll do this for you again. we have a tax code you can't read. we have a tax code that's unfair, we have a tax code where

major corporations pay close to 0% and the average working person pays 18%, 19%, 20%, 25%. we have a code that's not fair. we have a code that's not growing america. so you would think the president would make that a top priority, wouldn't you? if we need jobs? he just proposed tax reform after three years in office. it's not a priority because it's a money-raiser for congressmen. and if you change the code, if you make it simple, if you make it clear, if you make it fair, why the hell do i vote for a congressman? i don't need him, i've got the tax code. >> right. >> thank you very much for being back on the show again. lawrence lessig, great to see you too, professor. >> and donny, seriously, the next time buddy comes on, we're going to ask you to stay in the -- >> by the way, despite the fact you insult me. i'm going to celebrate this show, this is the only show you

can talk about a -- >> up next, we have steve rattner, and he brought his charts. a closer look at how education impacts the unemployment line coming up next on "morning joe." this at&t 4g network is fast.

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." a beautiful shot of the mall from the capitol. we're going to get to steve rattner's charts in a second. but katty kay, with a british background reporting for the bbc, how do you explain to your viewers in great britain that we have a front runner that mocks the president, calls him a snob for suggesting that people go to college? >> yeah, i mean, this -- this whole race has had many people in britain looking kind of wide-eyed and what's happening in american politics, and this isn't the first time, it's been michele bachmann, herman cain, how do i explain what's going on here to audiences back home. but the snob thing, you know, that really confuses us because our idea of america is that this is where everyone wants to go to college and the idea of

educational and social progress is what everyone is after. that sounds english to me, the idea you might be a snob for going to college. it doesn't sound american. but i don't think -- and i think that's why it's hurting him. because it doesn't fit with what this country feels it's about. >> and we are a -- and i oversimplify what he said, but still the basic point was the president's a snob for suggesting he wants everybody to go to college. there's a good reason if you're a parent to fight like hell to get your kid through college, steve. it's in the numbers. >> there's a good reason and i think the american public gets it. let's take a quick look at unemployment rates and i think people may know this intuitively. but if you look over a long period of time, you'll see that every step of the way, people with a college degree had dramatically lower unemployment rates than people who did. and we can fast forward to the present and you can see you have a bachelors degree or higher, chances of being unemployed are 4.4%, less than high school,

14%, and the chart, it's the whole way through. i think it's pretty clear, basic supply and demand economics, there's a demand for higher-skilled workers and not enough of a supply. if you then turn to wages, it's actually equally dramatic, another example of supply and demand economics, which is that over the last 30 years going back to 1979, at every step of the way, incomes after inflation for people without college degrees have gone down. and they've gone down in a step function 25% if you didn't have high school, and 9% if you even had some college. and only people with college or better actually improved. now, economists have studied this. and they've concluded that roughly every year of additional education you get adds 10% to your annual wages. so if you have a median income of $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 a year, you do another year of college, you can add to your wage in that order. >> are we seeing a big change in

the disparity growing even more because all of those blue collar union jobs we had in manufacturing have gone away? >> that's exactly right. the demand today are for people with skills, whether it's full four-year college or technical skil something. and on the last chart, the american people get this, and they have been sending their kids to college in greater proportions. so today, 30% of americans have gone to college up from 22% back in 1992. and the percentage of the people with less than high school or just high school have been dropping. and as i said, the american people get this. back in 1978, if you said to an american parent, how important is college? 36% would've said it was important. in 2010, 75% said it was important. if you ask them in 1982, what percent of them are going to send their kids to college, 57% would've said we're going to send our kids to college, today, 92% of american parents say we're going to send our kids to college. >> here's the charts, more

important, joe on his boat with a sailor hat and all the women going we love joe because women love guys with boats. >> what's he talking about? >> that was fantastic. thank you. >> to the boat, joe on his boat, women love joe. >> i think that's a fascinating chart that says everything you need to know about donny deutsch's educational attainment. that was very good. >> thank you. >> and it was a very insightful, and i'm sorry -- donny -- >> no -- >> donny defecated all over your show. tomorrow morning on "morning jo joe", we'll be live from new jersey on one of our town hall of education. among our guests will be governor chris christie, jack markell, and dana malloy, and coming up next, rick stengel is here to reveal the latest issue

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hey, welcome back to "morning joe." let's bring in rick stengel. he's here to reveal the latest issue of "time" magazine ten ideas that are changing your life. number one, living solo. >> yes, more americans than ever in american history, 28% of americans are living by used to think this was about the fracturing of american society. but now you can argue that living alone doesn't necessarily mean that you are lonely because of social media, because all of the ways we have to connect. >> you're never alone ever. >> you like to be alone.

>> your second idea is that our heads are all in the cloud. what do you mean by that? >> we're all connected, you know, through social media and not only that -- >> again, never alone. >> you don't remember anything anymore. because we're so reliant on having computers know everything for us and you can look it up we don't remember as much as we used to. >> we don't remember anything anymore. this is for sure. it's a fear. >> right. >> we are never alone. >> never. >> it goes all the way back to plato who says don't write anything down because you'll forget it. >> the biggest challenge for parents is making sure that the kids -- i don't mean to sound like a '60s hippie, but have your kids unplug. imagination is going to die. in this culture. >> my kid now reads books on his mobile device. is that good or bad? >> no, it's bad. >> why? >> i'll tell you why. >> why?

>> because his friends are texting him. he's getting all different types of messages in different ways, they pop up. if he -- if they're not, he thinks they might and his brain -- >> it's ichat. >> we specifically give kate books and she goes downstairs and she reads those books alone and she's in her own little world. >> she's secretly texting while she's reading. >> probably not. but also a problem with research. in our minds, when i went to whether it was college or law school, the thrill of the hunt when you're doing research is you would find one case that would have something, which would lead you by chance to another case which would lead you to another case. and by the end of that process, you've learned so much more than you were looking for at the beginning. now you go on google and you do a search for the exact words you want. >> okay. but if i -- at the beginning of the education process i said to you, all students throughout history now would be able to

access the information they need instantaneously and you don't have to it in your own personal hard drive, how would that change? >> the problem is this, you go to college not to learn facts. you go to college to learn how to think. you go to law school not to learn cases that have been written in the past. you go to law school to learn how to interpret cases in the future. >> that makes my argument it's against memorization. and you don't have to memorize the things you once had to memorize. >> this is going to destroy our youth. >> critical -- it's going to destroy a lot of people's ability for critical thinking. >> it might actually enhance critical thinking. >> whatever. you keep bouncing back and forth. >> why am i arguing? >> number three, hand prints, not footprints. >> we've been talking about what our global energy footprint is. actually you can reverse it and have a hand print where you can reduce carbon emissions by realizing what your carbon

footprint is and reducing it. >> what about nature is over? that's a provocative idea. >> that's the idea we're entering the era where human kind controls the environment. and this is, you know, this is different than the 4.5 billion years of earth's history that basically humans now can control the environment and do better things than some of the things we've done in the past. >> now a fascinating selection of the rise of the nones. >> the rise of the nones. >> and you talk about how americans are not rejecting faith, but they are rejecting religion. >> yes. more americans are identifying as having no religious affiliation than any time in our history, almost 20%. but at the same time, people are feeling more spiritual. there's a paradox. they're looking for meaning in their life, but their meaning isn't necessarily associated with a particular church. that's the idea. >> yeah.

katty kay, there is a photo spread, just a stunning photo spread in "time" magazine that talks about japan one year later. and these pictures, can you believe, katty? it's only been a year since the meltdown in japan. >> yeah, and do you remember watching that day, joe? that was the first time we saw in realtime the natural disaster occurring before our eyes. . i can -- it's amazing it's only a year because i can still remember like that so vividly those mud waves going through the fields. up there in northern japan. and it's just incredible. and those communities, of course, still, you know, trying to come back together again having lost so much. >> rick, talk about these photos. what a photo spread. >> they're by the great jim nockway, and we sent jim there right during the earthquake and tsunami and the meltdown and so he's going back a year later to the same places he was at before and looking that not a lot has

changed in certain places, and of course, japan had that report that was released last week basically saying how the government had covered up so much of what had happened in the early days of the meltdown. >> fascinating the day that happened, the morning it happened, mark haleprin was on the show and he said the japanese government has never been transparent. this has always been their biggest weakness, this is their challenge. and they failed miserably. >> let's go back to the list. i'm looking at high status stress. >> high-status stress. exactly. >> willie, do you ever with mika and me on this side of the table, do you ever deal with stress? >> stress, not high-status stress. >> you should be running for president. you know how to answer that. >> talk about high-status stress. what is that? >> for many decades, sociologists have been studying people of low status saying they have greater stress because of the job challenges and now they're looking at people of

high income and high status and the amount of stress they have and finding that, in fact, it's actually higher than for low-status people. >> why is that? >> i don't know. part of is also this social media that you can never turn off. >> oh, it's a nightmare. >> people with a lot of responsibility can never shut off that responsibility. >> never ever. >> and that creates a lot of stress. >> you know, talking about our children, katty, i took joey. i didn't take joey, but mika helped set up through americares, a trip with susan, many i wife, and joey, my oldest boy, they went down to el salvador. and they had a remarkable time down there. and when joey came back, i said what was your biggest take away? he said they're happy. here these people in poverty, abject poverty, they are happy. they aren't as stressed out as we are. and he's like, i don't get it, but you know what? it's going to level me out moving forward. and it has.

that trip had a big impact on him. but we have this high-level stress which seems ridiculous. >> mika's right. our kids have it too. we think they're doing their homework and they're getting 15 different types of stimulus coming in at the same time and their friends are texting them and they get stressed out because they haven't texted their friends back. this seems like the kind of absurdity of rich people complaining in the developed world of the stress of having too much developed technology. i think for our kids being able to sit there with a book or go outside for the day in the trees or in the fields and not have too much stimulus is really important. >> i wrote an article about this two years ago. and it's still a struggle in our household. it really is. on a social level and on an academic one, as well. rick stengel, thank you so much. >> thank you, rick. >> i'm sorry, this is mika with a gun and there's mr. moose, it says, please, don't shoot. >> here we go. we've got to go. just get off of our set right

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