msnbc takes you behind the walls in america's most notorious prisons in a world of chaos and danger. now the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> it's a world where the threat of danger dictates every action and every decision. >> i've seen stabbings over drugs, i've seen stabbings over money owed for canteen.

>> i was holding his head on the ground, was digging one of his eye balls out was having technical different tees with that. >> i have seen child molesters get stabbed. >> i hit the inmate, slipped, and i didn't realize what i slipped on was blood. >> a world that lock up producers and camera crews explore on a regular basis. >> when we walk in a prison we attract attention. sometimes it's not the kind of attention you want to attract. >> one [ bleep ] two, retire we don't need you around here. >> shooting in prison is controlled for the most part until all hell breaks loose. >> where the most heinous violations are common place. >> squeeze a water bottle shot urine in my mouth area. >> prepared feces and urine for us.

when our producers traveled to alaska they quickly realized they were about to enter a prison unlike any other. >> i would argue that spring creek creational center is probably the most beautiful prison in the united states. we're located adjacent to resurrection bay, we have moun h mountains, a river behind us a glacier above is the setting is perfection. >> inside the walls, natural beauty gives way to the harsh reality of a maximum security penitentiary. >> we're the end of the road of the state of alaska department of corrections. >> those that pose the greatest threat to other inmates and staff are segregated in house one, the lock down unit. >> basically minimum rights, minimum in the cells 23 hours a

day. >> on the day we wanted to interview him, antonio roberson was in a foul mood. [ bleep ]. >> calm down, calm down. >> i don't want to interview [ bleep ] you guys [ bleep ] up. we need more, what do you want do know? >> roberson had spent most of the last two years in house one. >> why are you in here? >> in house one? it's a long story i have been being assaulted so i assaulted back. i'm about my stuff. i refused to let myself be assaulted and not fight back. >> roberson fights with other inmates, he fights with staff as well. >> i was disrespect and i decided to make them do a cell extraction. >> days before our interview, the prison's correctional emergency response team had to

forcibly remove roberson from his cell for refusing to follow orders. the cell extractions are videotaped by the prison for legal reasons. >> use of force was authorized by assistant superintendent at 0940. >> officers prepare for anything the inmate might have in store for them. >> we've been advised he has prepared feces and urine for us. >> because they disre respected me, they want to talk all that mess, then all of a sudden in front of all the prisoners made me look like a punk. you want to cuff up? no i don't want to cuff up and i won't you disrespected me, we're going to do this. >> with roberson refusing orders, the extraction team disburses pepper spray in his cell.

but it appears to have little effect. >> the stuff they used on me was regular, the cayenne pepper stuff, it does burn but i've gotten used to it. i knew it would hurt, i'm doing a life sentence there is no way i'll let an officer disrespect me in front of another prisoner. >> a second round of pepper spray floods the cell. roberson, however stands firm. >> inside yourselves more than me. >> moments later, the team rushes the cell. the lead officer activates an electronic stun shield capable of delivering a 50,000 volt shock.

temporarily in ka pass -- incapacitated roberson is removed and cuffed. >> do you think i'm a bitch now, jack? >> roberson is taken to a holding area to rinse the pepper spray from his eyes and face. >> oh my god. are you guys just going to leave me here forever? >> no, no. >> you could at least be proud that i fought back i wasn't like a girl [ bleep ]. >> are you doing okay? thumb's up. >> ain't nobody got hurt. well i didn't get hurt. because i ant trying to -- well i'm not trying to get hurt until i'm ready to get hurt.

but if i do get hurt that is one of the consequences of doing battle. >> not far from roberson's cell is an inmate known to treat prison like a war zone. >> most of my interests are like firearms and stuff, so this is one of my doodles. >> that is pretty detailed doodle. >> i have plenty of time on my hands. >> for inmate john bright, plenty of time means a 99 year sentence for murder. >> i got in trouble for being a hitman for organized crime. i thought the organized crime was cool. i thought drug dealers were cool. i watched "scarface" 20 times, i watched it 100 times over and over again. >> bright claims to be wrongfully convicted. but he doesn't deny his taste for violence. >> i never killed anyone. i'm a fighter. i'm not a hitman, not a murderer, not a back stabber

i'm a fighter. i have been in a fight in bravo mod, in charlie mod, delta mod. i've been in a fight on the rec yard. >> at this point in time he is one of our extreme management problems. he doesn't play well with others. and so he stays here. >> i don't go say hey i'm looking for someone to get in a fight with. this guy looks like a good candidate i'll watch tv, trying to be non-aggressive non-confrontational, here comes mr. idiot inmate, crack smoking child molester and changes the channel. well if i get in an argument with the guy he's going to want to fight. if we get in a fight he's going to the hospital i'm going do house one. >> bright has sent fellow inmates to the hospital. >> he got in a fight with a prisoner, bit his finger off. >> got ahold of one of his fingers, when i could crush through the bone i bit a third

of his right index finger off. he started screaming. he got up and bleeding all over the mod i spit his finger on the floor. >> bright bit off the inmate's finger, he didn't succeed in what he set out to do. >> i was holding his head on the ground, was digging one of his eye balls out, i have been having a technical difficulty with that been trying that the last couple times. >> which is what? >> popping your eye out. i mean i beat on him and broke him, so i decided to try blinding one and see if that makes him understand to leave me alone. >> during our interview, bright indicated that he still maintains hope in prison and if he ever loses it, there could be real trouble. >> if i woke up tomorrow and decided i'm going to live here and never go home never have a life, i would be killing people. if i decide this is what i have coming and there is nothing to lift for and won't let me out of the hole they would have to weld my door shut. forever. >> those he's an intimidating presence, bright maintains he's

nothing worry about. >> littlest guy here is not ascared of me. i'm a marshmallow. >> a marshmallow? >> i'm a combat marshmallow but i'm a marshmallow. coming up on "lockup: raw," ever present danger. >> cracked his ribs, jaw, broke his collar bone, too. >> the results whether inmates unleash rage on correctional staff. >> i broke my tv, made a couple shanks, assaulted him. ge and an ipad ♪ ♪ made sure his credit score did not go bad ♪ ♪ with a free-credit-score-dot-com ♪ ♪ app that he had ♪ ♪ downloaded it in the himalayas ♪ ♪ while meditating like a true playa ♪ ♪ now when he's surfing down in chile'a ♪ ♪ he can see when his score is in danger ♪ ♪ if you're a mobile type on the go ♪ ♪ i suggest you take a tip from my bro ♪ ♪ and download the app that lets you know ♪ ♪ at free-credit-score-dot-com now let's go. ♪ vo: offer applies with enrollment in freecreditscore.com™.

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your life or crippled for life. >> you never know one day to the next, you come in here you don't know if you're going home when your shift is over. >> don't trust any of them, none whatsoever. because they're not in here for singing too loud in church. >> it shocked me how cruel and emotionalless these people can be, they are humans, but they are real hard inside. >> at the holman correctional facility in alabama we met inmate kenny wilson. he was housed in the prison's administrative segregation unit. >> they got the right one. >> i had five or six charges my most biggest charge is dealing with a teenager which i was 16, she was like 15 i believe. i ended up you know what i'm

saying, the mom and the daughter, came in 15 years, done got 15 more. >> originally convicted of rape and theft wilson earned his second 15 year sentence while behind bars after he brutally beat a corrections officer. >> ended up i gave him early retirement. cracked his ribs jaw broke his collar bone, too. to me it was no thing. >> do you regret what happened? >> he didn't die, he won't be a correction officer no more. >> despite his attitude and behavior, some are trying to help wilson turn his life around. >> i've known ken several years i have a history with him. he is a young man, acts out through anger. that is what we're trying to deal with now.

>> that ain't no problem. i'm angry because i'm not with my family. i'm angry because the way they treat you, the things they do to you. it ain't never a happy day in prison. >> at the time of our visit wilson had completed an anger management program that deputy warden tony patterson arranged for him to take in his cell. >> he needs to grow up, immaturity, he's working on it. >> i got kids, man. everybody going to change one day. >> for wilson, change is essential. most of his sentence for assaulting the officer will overlap with the original sentence. he is scheduled to complete his prison term and be released in 18 months. but just a day after we interviewed him, wilson's anger surfaced again. when he saw our crew on the exercise yard, he greeted them

with an obscene gesture. >> one, [ bleep ], two, retire, we don't need you around here. >> some days they like us some days they don't want to see us, that is a function of being in prison. you're mostly [ bleep ] off all the time if you can take it out on the film crew why not. >> wilson may enjoy his freedom again it's too late for one other inmates who anger had disasterous consequences frnl. >> i'm jesus garcia i have been incarcerated for nearly 12 1/2 years, incarcerate karscarcerated for first degree murder and i have life plus 26 years. >> when we meet jesus garcia he had been involved in the bloody assault of two officers. >> leading up to that date there were incidents they messed with me, that was the third time i said that's it. i broke my tv made a couple shanks and assaulted them.

assaulted one and i got him and another officer came to his rescue and obviously trying to defend myself i assaulted him too. >> they were slashed around the head, neck came very close to the jugular on one of the officers. >> i remember running in the pod and there is an inmate between both of them, they were both being stabbed. >> aaron bell rushed to aid his fellow officers moments after the assault began. >> i hit the inmate tried to get him by his arm and i slipped and i didn't realize what i slipped on was all blood. >> it took a couple of minutes before we got other officers in there to respond, pull jesus off and get medical attention to the officers. >> i was covered from basically my neck down with blood. it wasn't the inmate's blood,it was my fellow officers blood. >> had that guy not been there to save him i probably would have killed him. i mean who is to say? if he would have died would i

have felt bad or had remorse? maybe. maybe. >> the matter of fact way that he talked about attacking these officers was really scary. it made you realize what a dangerous place a prison is. >> garcia went on to give us a chilling insight in the mind of an inmate bent on spilling the blood of prison staff. >> actually, i don't regret my actions that day. it was all to make a point. i mean i could be the nice guy i've tried to be all these years or i can be that kind of person and i look at it like this, that those guys that i did that to, they are people that don't get it. there are some people you can reprimand by words, there are some people you can encourage. other people you have to beat to death. >> that is what inmates do but as a job, where i'm sworn to do for department of corrections is come to work every day. be fair and consistent.

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it was built to handle the toughest of all criminals. it's inmate population includes charles manson, robert kennedy's

assassin sirhan sirhan. >> you might have to fight, you might have to kill you might have to stab, you never know depends on the situation. >> a lot of times it's fist fights out here, but i would say maybe every other month we get a righteous stabbing. when they stab each other they go for the kill. they don't stab each other to play around. >> every morning you wake up you are dealing with 1000 attitudes you never know what could happen on that day. all you can do is think the worst and hope for the best. >> but we met two inmates on the yard at corcoran who are more pro-active when it comes to surviving life in this powder keg, they gave our crew a tutorial how they do it. >> some of the rules to live by give everybody the same respect you expect to receive from them. >> without order we have

anarchy, people die here. >> robert morales is serving 35 years to life for burglary under california's three strikes law. his cell mate is zachariah guzman has 16 year sentence on burglary and drug charges. >> you stepped out of bounds, disrespect somebody you will respect the disrespect back do you you don't know what amount it will be. you can have words with somebody and you better clean it up later. >> if you step on a man's foot, for instance this man is doing 275 years and doesn't give a [ bleep ] if the sun don't shine, you don't apologize, may go back to his cell sharpen a knife and decapitate you. it's happened. it has happened in prison i've seen it dozens of times over the 30 years i was incarcerated. >> they warn on this yard even jogging around the track can have fatal results if you don't know the rules. >> when you get too close to somebody on the track you cough let them know you're there if

you're running there is a man walking in front of you, you yell out "track" he's liable to perceive a threat and nail you with a knife or fist. every man that walks up to me i look at their hands first thing i look at their hands. i don't know if they will kill me, i don't trust anybody in here. i don't know if i offended somebody, even my own people. i see two or three of my people i'm think therg talking about me. this place is conducive to paranoia. >> do you trust your cell mate? >> yeah, because when you live with a person 24 hours a day you build up a brotherhood, a sense of -- you build up a rapport you don't have with your family and you're both dependent on each other for survival. and you have -- there is an unwritten code that if your cellie is attacked you're attacked. the honor of one is the honor of all. if he's touched then i'm involved.

so we're a team. we're a team. and we're a force to be reckoned with you choose your cellies carefully. >> as their survival depends on their bond the two men must be extreme license tiff of each other while living together in a tiny cell. >> space here is small, no real room to exercise or come off my bed, i got to step on his stuff in order to get down, so i have to ask him politely to move his stuff if i want to come down off my rack in the morning time. >> we use his privacy curtain gives you the illusion when you're in the another room. >> these are not allowed we make this on our own. >> morales had a final message for those on the outside. he wanted them to know the danger lurking behind the walls of corcoran could some day strike close to home. >> society doesn't understand the suffering that goes on behind these walls. i think the greatest fear that the public should have is that

some of these people are going home. and if they go home and they are angry young men, they have been traumatized, brutalized de-sensitized, they have no regard for sanctity of life. when they get out there you will meet these guys in an alley if he asked you for a wallet and you don't give it to him, he'll pull out a gun and shoot you dead because he was taught that in here. that to be sensitive is to be weak. coming up on "lockup: raw," ever present danger. >> i've had serious incidents with fecal matter and urine where i was placed on ace inhibitors and hepatitis blood spit on my face. >> it's feces present on everything. clean it off every day. every day he puts it back on.

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henryville indiana is very severe. the town of nearby maryville is said to be gone. 28 have died in three states. some of rush limbaugh pass's span sores are pulling ads. back to lockup. spoan sores are pulling ads. back to lockup. spon sores are pulling ads. back to lockup. sponsores are pulling ads. back to lockup. s are pulling ads. back to lockup. 90% of prison life is boring. that other 10% that we worry about as producers, the safety of the crew. we take great precaution to make sure that we can do everything possible to protect our crews. sometimes they will wear stab vests, other times they are followed by a group of correctional officers for

protection protection. >> there are some things you can't protect against. a particular type of assault described to crews over and over again. the nature of the assault is not only disturb it's disgusting. we warn you what you're about to hear is extremely graphic. >> the common way the inmates assault staff now is what we call gassing where the inmate will throw a liquid substance on an officer, usually with the inmate's combination of urine and feces, they will urinate or defecate in a cup let it rot and when staff walks by, they throw it in our face. i would say a gassing assault happens at least once a day here at san quintin. >> almost at every other prison we visited. >> i had serious incidents with

fecal matter and urine to where i was placed on ace inhibitors medication and i had hepatitis infected blood spit in my face. >> they get as creative as putting feces or urine in toothpace tube and squirting it through the door or under their door. those kind of things. >> about 5:45 at night feeding chow i was carrying inmate trays to to feed them. inmate had his flap down feeding his tray at that time inmate had a water bottle they use on the rec yard, filled with a substance when i was carrying traced, he squeezed the bottle shot urine in my eye and mouth area. i was checked out, tetanus shot done by urgent care in nashville, blood sample drawn from me. >> what for? >> to see if i contracted anything. i have a wife at home, my fear is taking something home to my wife and possibly kids down the

road. >> this vial form of assault isn't limited only to correctional staff. inmate cates works as a rock man prison slang for a janitor. in the maximum security unit at brushy mountain correctional complex in tennessee. >> that is the punitive pod, i have to deal with individuals who been in a lot of trouble or some doing -- i'll have to deal with the ones off in their mind a little bit. so some days they might feel like when i let the flap down they want to throw doo doo on me or urine. they might want to throw it on them that day, so it's things we have to deal with. >> lockup crews stay constantly aware. knowing all too well they could wind up in the line of fire. >> in my mind that is one of the worst things that could happen we were shooting in san quentin

in alpine section, we were on the ground floor and suddenly i felt something hit me on the top of my head and i had the worst thought oh my god i have been gassed luckily it turned out to be a banana peel. >> whethern we advice theed stateville in illinois, we encountered another practice involving human waste. >> it's feces spreads it on everything. clean it off every day every day he puts it back on. >> feces unit i segregation unit in stateville correctional center basically this is where the bad people for being extra bad in the facility come to be locked up. they urinate and bowel movement every where. i think they kind of are crazy. the prison life is probably getting to them. >> but we never have seen a more bizarre display of this gut-churning activity than at california state prison

corcoran. happened during a routine shoot at the prison hospital. >> we were there for ten minutes, and did a couple interviews with a couple doctors and initially it seemed like it would be kind of mundane and going through the process and so we decided to leave. we were packed up ready to go back in the other section of the prison, when all hell broke loose. >> we have four inmates in four different cells that are holding food trays, some of them have started flooding the tier caution the toilet water to come out on the floor. i'll first go out try to talk to the inmates try to get them in complying with staff instructions, the inmates fail to comply with the instructions we'll have to extract them. >> and one by one the cells started popping off. one guy just started throwing feces, another guy could having up the cell, and i was like wow, this is not boring, this is

pretty intense. >> i'm going to talk to him, want to make sure we get it on video, at that time if the inmate doesn't comply we'll use oc i want everything ready to go in no more than five minutes. everything ready to go in five minutes. >> knowing they might be exposed to human waist, correctional staff suit up in plastic coveralls to protect their clothing. they encounter a few snags. >> they don't make them big enough. >> one of them might throw feces, he will be pitching i will be catching. >> while the extraction team suits up the hospital staff continues to negotiate with the unruly inmates. >> give you medications so you will settle down. >> the extraction team readies a five point restraint tab toll which they will secure any inmate who becomes combative. >> the time is approximately

1307 hours i'm captain cobbs. i'm going to attempt a crisis intervention in order to get him to submit to staff instructions. >> captain cobbs and medical personnel, continue to negotiate with the inmate. in order to avoid a cell extraction where anyone can be injured. >> you cooperate with us and you don't fight and take your medication as we give it to you, then we can keep you -- >> finally one inmate decides to comply and officers move in to take him peacefully. with his cell a flooded mess and excrement on the wall he's taken to another cell where he's medicated by a prison nurse. but another inmate in the hospital wing is proving to be less cooperative. >> i'm a sigh kie tries, we need to give you medication.

>> nope, not taking no medication, you're not coming in. >> no way. >> i'm captain cobbs, the operations captain. i'll give you one more opportunity to comply with staff instructions. i want to you take the covers down and turn around and submit to mechanical restraints. >> do what you gotta do. >> i'm telling you now this is your last option. he currently has a mattress, use the barricade removal device. >> the extraction team prepares to disburse pepper spray using a cannon-like device that will ram the mattress away from the door. >> wochatch commander, open up. >> after final warning, the team takes action.

with other prisoners egging on the inmate the team sprays a second round of gas and continues demanding that he cuff up. meanwhile, camera operator mike ello begins to feel the effects of the pepper spray himself. >> i was standing next to the correctional officer he had the full face mask and gas mask and all kind of protection and i'm standing next to him just painters dust mask i put on which needless to say didn't work. and after the pepper spray went off i was crying like a baby and coughing -- i'm surprised it didn't show up on the videotape. >> nearly two minutes after first being sprayed, the inmate finally gives up. for their disruptive behavior the inmates receive time in

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the ones that don't they probably do anyway. >> only thing i fear is the cigarettes catching cancer and kicking the bucket. >> i don't fear them don't mean they can't take me out. you don't have to fear a man to get hurt. if he fears you that is when you have to worry. a coward will get you. >> in here especially they sneak up on you with a knife or rock, choke. they will get you because they fear you. >> to me a coward will hurt you he's more dangerous than a stone cold killer he's squaredcared. >> that is his only way out. >> yep. >> no group of inmate ts field more cornered than sex offenders. rapists and child molesters are pat the pariahs of the prison yard. >> as far as i'm concerned they can die. when they get around me, they think it's okay to reveal they are child molesters every time

they say that i'll smash them. >> most sex offenders choose between a life of constant threats, or to serve their time in highly restrictive protective custody units. but mark higgins takes a different approach. >> my crime is a serial rapist. i was convicted of several different charges rape attempted rape nine assorted counts in all for a total of 35 years. >> we met higgins at riverbend maximum security institution on tennessee. on the outside he had a professional career and lived in a wealthy nashville suburb and live with his wife and four children. he lived a secretive double life. as he carried out his attacks against women, the media dubbed him the gentleman rapist. >> the feeling we had on the crew was that wow that guy is really scary, he didn't appear

dangerous or stereotypical inmate, but i think that is what made him really scary he was like your neighbor the president of your city council or your best friend. that made it all the more creepy. >> rapists such as myself, pedophiles, people that murder children or women they are at the bottom of that pecking order, okay? and there is a lot of men that will take advantage of your crime to try to manipulate you into doing something you don't want to do. be that giving them sexual favors, food from the commissary that you buy different things like that. but at the end of the day, we're all wearing blue jeans with a white stripe. we're in prison for some law that we've broken. >> unlike most other sex offenses, higgins has stood up for himself. >> someone wants to make a big deal about my crime i'll turn to them and look them in the

face and ask what exactly do you want to know about it? if this person thinks that he's going to control me by holding that over my head, he's made a terrible mistake. because i will absolutely confront him on that. oh by the way what is your crime? is that really better -- do you have less of a victim than what i had? you are kneein her for murder, my victim is walking around living and breathing. >> one reason higgins can defend himself he's housed in a minimum security unit where many inmates have similar charges. but the sex offender we met at iowa's state penitentiary has a very different existence. larry morgan spends nearly every hour of every day in a small protective custody cell. where he never sees the sun. >> what happened is they accused me of killing a little girl back

in 1994 and next thing i know i'm in prison, and then there is people talking about a contract supposed to be out on me. >> morgan was convicted of kidnapping, raping and murdering a 9-year-old girl. he is serving life without the possibility of parole. >> there has been a lot of threats against me, and it was a high profile crime at the time and everybody in the system knew about it and of course they are all trying to stand up and be some sort of righteous convict like oh well i only rob banks or i only do drugs, i only sell crack to kids, but this guy, he killed one, so now we're going to go and kill him. >> protective custody inmates like morgan are locked in their cells 23 hours a day. to keep them from other inmates. >> at first it's claustrophobic being in a cell 23 hours a day but it's after a while you get used to it. what i miss most about freedom

is just probably being able to be outside. i miss the sun. i probably miss that more than anything else. and fresh air. these places don't smell too good. next on "lockup: raw" ever present danger. >> all of a signed the lock started rattling back and forth together. >> when a life sentence extends to the after life. >> i'm not a superstitious person, i believe everything has an ex-man anything, some things i have seen here that i have not been able to explain. >> i'm getting goose bumps just think about it. a new belt. some nylons. and what girl wouldn't need new shoes? we talked about getting a diamond. but with all the thank you points i've been earning... ♪ ♪ ...i flew us to the rock i really had in mind. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the citi thank you card. earn points you can use for travel on any airline

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anywhere i go that it looks like it has potential i'll ask do you have any ghosts around? and in new mexico they had a lot in the old prison. >> whethern we shot at the penitentiary of new mexico, major dean lopez took us to the old main, a now abandoned building used to be the heart of the prison before it was replaced with the state of the art facility. >> this is where most of the murder took place. >> the old main was the sight of a 1980 riot in which inmates slaughtered 33 of their own. and reminders are everywhere. >> this is an area where inmate actually got chopped up with an ax, and what you see on the floor is ligature marks where the ax went through the body and carved in the floor. >> one other remnant is as

grissly, also source of an unexplainable phenomenon. >> they burned a guy to the crisp. doesn't mat wlaer we have done to try to cover it up, we tried gray paint, stripper floor wax we paint it within a month-and-a-half this burn mark is back on the surface of the paint again. >> so people would look at this and say that is a ghost coming up through the floor. >> there has been a lot of things that certain people have seen in the old main from the time that it was open. at one point in time we had no electricity in the place and we would find lights on. and then we get to the facility and lights would be off again. and no explanation why they would be on. you would hear noises that people would say were people screaming, i'm not very much of a superstitious person and i believe everything has an explanation. i was one of the people they would send down to investigate those noises because yeah,

right. but there are some things that i've seen here that i've not been able to explain. if somebody else can i would be more than happy to hear them try because are some things that are unexplainable. >> specter of inmates refusing to leave prison even after death. lockup crews found at other prisons too. built in 1852 san quentin is one of the oldest prisons we visited. >> approximately 1985, brand new correctional officer i was working graveyard, in section called donner. >> a member of the investigative services unit. elite team who track gang activity and other threats to the institution. one night we were working graveyard, i was sitting with my back to a file cabinet like this and it was a row of locks,

padlocked on the top handle my partner and i were talking, all of a signed the locks started rattling back and forth together clacking. he looked at it, i'm getting goose bumps thinking about it. we both ran out of the office and we had no explanation as to what that was. we asked some other officers and they said the unit is probably haunted. so never can tell, there was no explanation for it. no earthquake the inmates weren't complaining in the unit about the ground moving. there was no wild animals in there, i didn't bump it, he didn't bump it. so no telling. >> there has been a history of other strange phenomena here as well. >> this is the old dental clinic in 1984 an inmate was murdered here in this corner. late at night our officers

working in here have heard the same thing i've heard foot steps walking in the floors above me right here and i keep telling them that the guy that was killed here, the inmate, that is him still walking in the building. >> how do people react and how did you react when you first heard it? did you go up and look? >> absolutely. i thought somebody was in the building. so whether or not -- i didn't know if it was an inmate or another officer. when i walked upstairs, everything was locked up, i no longer heard the foot steps came back down continued my work, got quiet again heard the foot steps once again and everybody in this unit has heard them late at night. >> with some inmates bent on destructive behavior, it's no wonder that some would if they could, carry on even after death. because in prison, danger never dies.