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things that are window and yell and knock on the door and stuff like that. >> they hit on me. >> watch your back. the dagger is coming. you know me. >> when the drama got too high for cash himself he would often turn to barbero for support. >> i am more of older sister/brother to her. she is young. i try to, you know, give her advice. >> it is a lot of drama. it is a lot of drama. >> occasionally the drama would bring a chuckle or two to the one member of our field team who couldn't help but hear every bit of it. >> take it one day at a time. >> have i not proven it? >> you have been out of enough drug rehabs already to know you take it one day at a time. with you, patience is a virtue. we can't see each other. >> yeah, clear.
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>> it reminds me of high school. >> mod q was off the hook. >> by the time we would leave, you would just be drained emotionally. i am page hopkins with an update on the political story of saturday night, nbc news declaring mitt romney the projected winner of tonight's washington state caucuses, a prelude to the super tuesday
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contest in ten states. here are the nns, romney scoring a solid win, ron paul and rick santorum battling for second and newt gingrich fairly far behind. joining us on the phone with more is senior political editor mark murray. tell us the significance of these results in washington state tonight. >> page, it is important to note these caucuses are a non-binding contest. the actual delegates won'ting be allocated until a later time t provides momentum. mitt romney will be able to keep the momentum he got from wins tuesday's contest in michigan and arizona and heading into super tuesday, really almost have that momentum. it ent with a just -- two or three weeks ago we saw rick santorum rack up some caucus wins in the states of minnesota and colorado, and that momentum allowed him to be able to make a real big run and give mitt romney a run for his money in michigan. this is about momentum right now heading into the big super tuesday contest. >> so rick santorum and ron
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paul, number two, have a lot to do to make up for super tuesday to really get momentum to catch up with mitt romney, right? >> that's right. mitt romney has the delegate lead right now. he is the one who has the superior organization, more money, and what we're going to be watching to see on super tuesday is the all important contest in ohio, a recent poll that was taken just before the weekend that ended up having rick santorum with a slight lead over mitt romney in ohio, and we have a brand new nbc poll coming out on the ohio contest as well. if mitt romney is able to win, he is going to be on a glide path to the republican nomination, but if rick santorum is able to win in ohio, he is a p.r. victory for him and will elongate this primary season. >> it will be interesting and mitt romney and rick santorum in ohio tonight. thank you, mark murray. be sure to continue to tune into msnbc for coverage of the presidential race including the upcoming super tuesday contest. now weg.ta
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>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> msnbc ties you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger and now the scenes you've never seen. lockup, raw. >> inside prisoner jail regrets are never in short supply. >> actually killed an innocent kid. that haunts him. >> as if watching lockup isn't warning enough for some, this is the place where people come to die. >> prisons and jails use inmates to warn troubled teens before it is too late. others express re greets with personal cameras, we call inmate
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cams. >> during a typical lockup interview we have our producer, our director of photographer, our audio technician and associate producer, and various staff members in the room kind of surrounding the inmate. it can be difficult sometimes to get an intimate interview with so many people around so we created the inmate cam where it is basically a small digital camera we give to the inmate. >> we give you something to use, it is already turned on for you. >> they can take it into the cell, turn it on, press record, and the results are dramatic. >> we are in the world vundeddes by serial killers and material girls, trapped in mirror i and one eye like cyclops and replace ipod and x-bots and mud slides with the man kant explain why no
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women in the summertime and christian, vice lords and muslim folks seeking truth as we blind, dude, time goes by. we doing good, doing bad in the last days. >> locked up and extended stay, and, hell, yeah, stay is extended. judge gave me 50 years. 50. that's five decades, man. i am going to take a quick walk around the cell, showing you what's going on in my cell. show you all what i live, how i live. all right. wake up. that's my bed. it ain't that thick. know what i mean? it is my window. this is my window. that's the gate teasing me with freedom. you see the cars running by, going places i can't go. trying to paint a picture so you understand what i am going through. >> i look out the window a lot.
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>> a lot of inmates have the hopes and aspirations of going home because of the nature of my crime and the brutality, the heinous and gruesome events that occurred, i know that i will never see the streets again. >> this right here, as pathetic as that is to say, this is my pillow. don't nobody touch it. ain't nobody going to touch it. you know? i put my head on it. i cradle it at night like it is another person because it is one of the things you wish you had now. do i want the company of another person here? hell, no. that's another thing i don't understand, but i ain't going to
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get on that subject. >> when we give them the camera we have no idea what we'll get and it has been amazing really. they come up with great angles. they come up with fascinating stories. it is funny. >> i got a $100 bill tattoo but i can't show that to the camera. >> it is often heartbreaking. >> all i do is sit here and think about my little boy, keeping his pictures right here under the mat. man, i don't know. >> i don't have kids. i don't have a girlfriend. >> phillip stroud, serving life without parole, used his inmate cam to reach out to the families of the three men he murdered during a robbery. >> every day, every day i got to live with what i did. i just wish that i could do it all over again. not for the sake of being here,
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me being here, because i have been locked up my whole life, but so you all can have your loved ones back. >> is this place stressful? hell, yeah, it is stressful. it is one of the stressfuliest things you can do. >> this is what i wake up to every morning. a steel door and a piece of glass. these places are so petty. they count the rolls of toilet paper you get. this is what you get every week, four rolls of toilet paper you're allowed, three khaki outfits. you're allowed one coat. you're allowed two blankets. everything is counted in here. >> now you're recording. >> for joshua coffee who was sentenced to six years for burglary, the only thing more frightening than prison was the thought of leaving.
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>> i have nine days. i have nine days before i am thrust back out into society and i am not free. nobody thinks about freedom as something to be nervous about, you know, everybody that ever does anything wrong, we're scared to go to prison. i am dam near scared to go home. you know? the bad part is i got a family that loves me. they might not understand me. they might not agree with the things i do. ultimately, they love me. i know that. i hope i don't let them down. >> hello, everybody. it is me, the stone. >> james stone wishes he had coffee's problems. he is serving 101 years for
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attempted murder. >> that's everything i pretty much got right there. you're not allowed to have a whole lot here. >> he already served 26 but has another 25 to go before he is even considered for parole. >> i know one guy and i am not going to mention his name, he gets out next year. i think it is may, first of may of next year, for the third murder. third murder! he has been locked up for three murder bits and because he keeps taking plea bargains, i guess it makes him better than me. this guy done killed three people and drive by a gang land shooting krap and still can't hit his target and still release him. it makes no sense to me. maybe that's why lady justice keeps blind. she don't really want to see this. it don't make no sense. >> several inmates use their inmate cams to offer a word to
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the wise. >> don't come cruising, man. >> warning others not to make the same mistakes they made. >> being locked up, it is not a game, no movie, no rap song. when you going down and you get popped? this is what it is going be to, man. >> when your buddies want you to join up with the little clique, the little gang, sell a little crack, let's get that little 200 or $300 from the liquor store or something like that? just think about that. is it worth it really? is it worth it? >> this ain't the place to be. this here, this is where you come when you are scared of living life. this is where you come when you have given up basically on everything else. >> look at your family.
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look at yourself. see what you really got to lose. >> this is your future. right there, bam. coming up. >> neighbors, sweating, tossing, turns, hearing the kids scream, falling. >> awaiting trial for murder, an inmate repudiates his former gang life. >> i don't want this life for no one. they use you, spit you out.
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many inmates say coming to jail made them reassess their lives. if not drastically overhaul them. we can never know with certainty how sincere those claims are. when an inmate repudiates his gang, as 25-year-old daniel miramontez did, it has credence to their story. >> i ran the streets, grew up in the streets, life on the streets. what you see is what the streets created. >> we met miramontez at the orange county jail. he said before cominger he was a member of a los angeles street game and a meth addict. it seemed out of sorts with a young man who enjoyed reading
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novels and writing poetry. >> i like to read a lot. i like nicholas sparks. walk to remember. >> romantics. >> oh, yeah, i am a sucker for that. >> do you cry when you read the sad parts? >> yeah. most of the guys don't want to admit that, hey, we're in jail. you know? i don't care. >> miramontez was facing the possibility of a lifetime in prison. >> been down almost two years. charges are special circumstance murder. big case. big case. >> miramontez had entered a not guilty plea and was still awaiting trial when we met him. the night of the murder he says he was visiting friends in an orange county gang and that they were all drinking and high on drugs. while driving around their neighborhood, his friends stopped to confront a 19-year-old man who had allegedly flashed a rival gang sign.
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>> what ended up happening was the orange county home boys exited the vehicle and a fight ensued which turned into a stabbing which turned into a slashing and the victim's neck was cut and he bled to death at the scene. >> he admits to being in the car and says he never participated in the murder. >> i am from l.a. i am not from orange county. why bother getting in the mix? so i just decided to stay in the car. one of the situations you are in that bad place at the wrong time, you know? i was there, so i am here now facing a long time. >> miramontez says even though he wasn't involved in the murder he is paying a price beyond just being in jail. >> the neighbors, tossing and turning, hearing the kids
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scream, falling, just plays with my head sometimes. later on we find out the little kid wasn't even a gang banger. so i feel bad because they actually killed an innocent kid that didn't even gang bang. that haunts me. >> though miramontez maintains his innocence in this case, he admits to past violence with his gang. >> the things i did, like little things, you know, shoot at us with different gang but never actually killed no one. injured, yeah, killed, no. i am not murder. i am not hard core gangster, homey, no. usually on drugs, weapons, money. easy. i had a good grade, elementary, junior high, high school. i graduated with 3.17. i am a certified electrician. people used to say he works, he has a good job. i started hooking up with different people, older friends,
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older guys, serious business. so i was easy money. i will do that for you, you know, let's go. >> what was easy? >> the delivery, here, there, meth. they used me to do all the runs. was i getting paid good money, yeah. was it worth it? not really. that's one thing that i thank god for being locked up is because being in the street when i was on the street, oh, man, that was bad. i would have been probably dead within a month, a week, a year, the way i was going. i really didn't care what i was doing, hanging out on the streets all day. there was one time didn't sleep for four, six days, running around here and running around there. using meth a lot. maybe that's why i am so skinny.
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>> miramontez spends large parts of his day drawing, reading or writing poetry. he says he has for saken his gang and is housed in protective custody. he says it is worth it. >> i don't want this lifestyle. look where it got me. i don't want this lifestyle for no one. they use you. spit you out. >> his analogy was it is like bubble gum. when you put it in it is fresh and chewy and chew it up for a little while and spit it out and that's his analogy of the gang. he was used when he was soft and vulnerable, and once he got a little hard and a little stale, they spit him out. >> you know, i have to ask you this. you are talking to me about a lot of your activity on the street. does that put you in any danger? >> if it happens, it happens. i just try to give a message
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out, you know, to people out there that the gang life is not good. they use you and spit you. killing an innocent little kid is not good. you want to kill somebody that took your brother's life? go ahead and do it. just don't kill innocent kids that don't gang bang. that's bad. >> it is okay to kill another gang banger? >> if you kill your brother, if he shot your house. >> when does it stop? >> it doesn't. i guess it keeps going until either they kill you or he gets busted for killing you your guy or he gets busted for killing you. it doesn't. >> while awaiting trial miramontez says he made a conscious decision to not let jail bring him down. >> this is paradise. you can just picture it background and noise and a little water running, and imagination plays it as the
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ocean, you know. it is good. being in here is like, hey, man, in hawaii or something. better place than being in jail, right? >> although he can face a life sentence if he is found guilty, miramontez has chosen optimism over pessimism. >> don't think negative no matter how dark the world gets. just laugh. just laugh. that one, there is nothing else to do. that is when the pain gets too much, that's what i do. i live my life with my own philosophy. in here is yesterday was a dream, right? tomorrow is only a vision. make every yesterday a of hope. tomorrow a dream of happiness. >> coming up -- >> right now i have six staff members, 384 inmates in this jail, very dangerous. >> one of the nation's most
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where we witnessed over crowding, overwhelming conditions that really lead to a dangerous environment. >> say, animal. >> our first ever extended stay series was shot at california's failed san quentin state prison, designed to house over 3,000 inmates, it was home to more than 5,000. when we shot there, robert airs was san quinten ace warden. >> we are grossly over crowded which is just totally unacceptable for the inmates and the staff. >> been here before? >> no. >> come over here on stand on the fence right there. >> the incoming population at san quentin was relentless with staff re leaguing 150 inmating each week but welcoming 350 new ones. >> let's go, let's go, let's go. clear the door. >> many of them wound up in the
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gym which had been converted into a huge overflow housing unit. >> when i first walked into the dorm in san quintin i was taken aback by how many people were packed into this small area. it was very loud. >> attention. james, report to the lieutenant's office upstairs. >> there is always people talking, people yelling, and some people were trying to read and some people were trying to sleep, and so you have a big group of people having a conversation over here and a guy is trying to sleep over here. most people would tie towels around their head to block out some of this noise. >> officers strive to maintain order in this potentially dangerous housing area through regular inspections for weapons and other contraband. >> unlock your locker, man. >> can i move something? >> come on, man. >> come on, come on. >> luckily i don't have nothing
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illegal as long as you don't go in my locker. >> you got the drugs. you got the inmates manufacturing alcohol, the gangs. you got the weapons. so it can be real dangerous at times. >> turn around, gentlemen. >> right now i have six staff members. there is 384 inmates in this gym. it is very dangerous. >> gentlemen, on your right, on your right, on your right. >> with so many inmates crowded in the gym, correctional officers are challenged to keep minor confrontations from turning into chaos. >> what's wrong? >> what's wrong? >> he telling me he is going to ruin my life. >> you cool? >> i am cool. i am cool. >> everything down here is observation, just watching, listening, getting a feel for the dorm. if you are always watching you can tell when something is
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starting to go bad and hopefully stop it before it gets bad. these inmates have to share frgs, the restrooms, the showers, the dayroom areas so respect is a big thing in here. if you respect each other, it is fine but if you come into a disrespect issue things get sketchy. >> during our stay at san quentin we witnessed one small but dramatic step the prison was taking to stem the flow of new inmates. coming up -- >> every man inside in building has a date they will die. >> a group of teenager learns the cold heart facts about life at san quentin. >> you want to use this restroom, when you come in prison, this is what you put yourself in. your finances can't manage themselves. but that doesn't mean they won't try. bring all your finances together
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here is what's happening. nbc news declared mitt romney the winner of the gop caucus. take a look at the numbers with mitt romney on top, ron paul and rick santorum battling it out for second and third. newt gingrich coming in a distant fourth. in other news at least 37 people are dead in five states after tornadoing ripped across a dozen states. the weather channel tells us nearly 70 twisters touched doup over the past two days. now we'll take you back to lockup. due to mature subject matter viewer discretion is advised.
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built in 1852 and home to california's death row, san quentin state prison was bursting at the seams due to over crowding. when we shot our extended stay series there but san quentin had one program designed to discourage troubled teens from ever joining its ranks in the future. >> gentlemen. >> through the squiers program selected inmates shared their experiences with teenager who is had already had run-ins with the law. >> what we need you to understand is you in san quentin this morning. you are in a place that no kid should ever want to be in. you should be out playing somewhere in the park. you here because of something you did. >> what's your name. >> angel. >> angel. >> how old are you? >> 13. >> mig goal. >> 16. >> jonathan, 16>> what you want to know, this is your life. have you an opportunity to leave
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out of this place and never come back. let me introduce myself to you guys. my name is david. i am about to be 25 years old in a few more months and i have been in prison since i was 15 years old for murder. >> david monroe was serving a 15 year to life sentence after having pled guilty to second degree murder. >> i banged before. i been on the streets before. i am from stockton. i did it before. everything you say you did, everything you guys think that you did and we did, we did it. >> it is really just about us not scolding the kids. it is not scared straight but we try to give you the communication part like, look, man, this is what i did and this is what it got me. this is the trophy i was trying to earn. is this what you want to earn? most kids don't. >> do you want to come to jail at 15 years old? do you want to come to prison and be on the yard? stand up. let me see how tall you are.
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in this was me when i came to prison. they're 15 and look at me like oh, my god, are you serious? yeah, are you serious, 15 years old they locked you up. can they do that? >> at 15 monroe's involvement in gang violence changed his life forever. >> they say you have a gun, you carry a gun, eventually you use it and it did happen. we were with a girl, having fun, talking, and i seen somebody walking by and we had a confrontation and i asked him two questions about his gang affiliation and if he had problems with my gang or street or the color red and he said yes, and me trying to prove myself to my peers like, yeah, okay, i will show you i am down, and i reacted. i shot him six times. i ended up murdering him for basically a color. i never planned to commit a robbery. he never planned to be doing a murder. he never planned for his life to be committing attempted murder. it all came about by the behavior and a lifestyle we
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chose. say you do a robbery, what you think happen? >> you get caught, you go to juve. >> what about your mom, what you think happen to hear? >> she be sad and cry. >> and hurt. >> yeah. >> you know that can happen to your mother, too. >> yeah. >> okay. you all know this. why would you put yourself in that situation? >> maybe you got to take a risk sometimes. >> take a risk sometimes? >> yeah. >> you don't think about it. that's the part about being a juvenile. you are not fully thinking of what you're doing. you're just trying to be cool. you're trying to fit in. i am really offended by what you said and i am putting myself in your mama's shoes right now, you telling me you willing to sell your mama out whatever you think is needed. >> if it is worth its, you really want it so you take a risk and do it. >> i don't care what you say worth it. ain't nothing worth my mama to me, nothing. you ain't paying attention to how you hurt your mom. >> monroe never realizedes how his crimes would hurt his own mother until the day he was
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sentenced. >> when the judge actually said you're a cold blooded murder and i am charging you as an adult to be charged 15 years to life in prison, i heard my mom scream. it was horrible. it was a horrible feeling, physically, emotionally, mentally, it was horrible. i put my head in my lap and i cried. >> the boys are also given a preview of the stark conditions they might face if they ever enter the california prison system. >> i want you guys to get a good look at this restroom. this is where you are going to use the restroom. look how they take care of this place. do you want to use this restroom? when you come to prison, this is what you put yourself in. have you no privacy once are you in prison. that's what you guys are coming to. >> yeah. >> the boys are then taken to the prison block that holds those condemned to death. >> first off, i just want to let you know that like i seriously hate this place right here.
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this is the place where people come to die. every man inside this building has a date they're going to die. do you know the exact day that you are going to die? that's none of our intention is onto murder somebody, die and be a gang hero. we just try to educate and that's the main thing. they need to know what they're doing wrng and know how to change it. >> you can make a difference today. you don't have to wait until you get to condemn row. you can get your birthday and don't know your death date. you can do that. it is up to you. can you guys do that? are you willing to take that chance? >> what i got out of it was i don't want to end up in jail. i got to start watching what i am doing, start making better choices, because one little messed up choice could ruin my whole life. >> got it learn i didn't want to be here. that's about it. it ain't a good place to be. >> it has to come within you. you have to want to hang. >> i have always said this is for my victim. i can't give him his life back,
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but i can save somebody else's life because of what i did and i hope his family knows that, you know, what happened to him, it is not in vein any more. some people are being saved. >> hopefully we don't see you again. >> san quentin is just one of in numerous prisons or jails across the nation where inmates and staff provided cautionary tales for troubled youth. at the suffolk county jail in boston, massachusetts, we encountered another program called jail break. >> remember when you visit in here, you going to get experiments where you will be in jail. you empty everything out of your pockets put it in a locker. take everything out of your pockets. take the hat off. show some respect. take everything out of the pockets, change, quarters, nickels, anything, bus passes >> when we film in a prison or jail we do our best to be a fly on the wall. in the case of jail break, these
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kids came in and, yeah, they were definitely aware of the camera. >> you scared? >> you scared? >> how about you? >> no. >> you're not scared right now? >> no. >> there is no reason to be scared to tell you the truth. >> at the same time i don't think it was necessarily the camera that affected them in the way that they had an attitude or they had the certain bravado. i think it was more relating to age. >> stand up. >> right now all you got to do is empty your pockets. take your jackets off. nothing should be around your wrist, in your ears or in your pockets. >> everybody over there. >> put the union fornlz on over your clothes. hurry up. >> these kids are from the boston public schools. they were suspended from school because of something that they did. >> tuck your shirts inside, guys. tuck your shirt inside. >> once they have the uniform on
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and i start yelling at them and start talking to them in a way that they know that i am in control, then they don't know what to do. they just break down. >> you're 12 years old, 12 years old and you want to cut somebody, assault somebody, okay, you are smiling like there is something funny. keep your mouth shut. >> 16-year-old damon who had rent recently been caught with marijuana appeared determined to not break down. >> are you in jail now, 16, you will be 17 in a month. have you this attitude like you are too good to be in this place. you're going to run this place. are you kidding me? are you kidding me? you think you're that good? you gloat? >> tell me about your goals. >> my goals, trying to entrepreneur, you know, own a business, possibly take over this jail, you know. be like donald trump collecting money, writing checks, possibly write you a check, you know? >> uh-huh. that sounds great. >> i tell you what your goals are. you are going to be in one of
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these units if you continue to do the things you are doing in a month. i give you less than that. 17 years old, you're walking through that back door and you will not leave. do you understand me? you will not leave and that's what's going to happen to you. that's where you're going. everybody, put your arms out and put your thumbs down. all the way up. i don't have anything for him. taking a piece of string and tie his arms together and he is not strong enough to break that. >> not made for comfort, all right? get used to it. get used to that. >> why you so cruel? what i do to you? >> keep your mouth shot. i don't like punk kids in my jail thinking it is cool. >> i didn't disrespect you, though. >> i don't care. you're in my jail thinking you are tough. keep your mouth shut. that's what i want to you do right now. that's what i want you to do right now. pick up your feet and move. >> is this the life umt to have? >> the boys are escorted into the jail and placed in separate
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cells. >> right there. you making your mother proud? no. are you going to change your ways? >> yeah. >> you got a friend coming, right, a roommate. are you ready for him? you are ready for him? >> coming up -- >> take your sneakers off. get tough, tough guy. >> the kids meet the inmates. >> smoking weed, going to land you in jail. feel the power my young friend. mmm! [ male announcer ] for excellent fruit and veggie nutrition... v8 v-fusion, also refreshing plus tea. could've had a v8. hey officer how's it going? [ horns honking ] not a talker. cool, i'm not either, most times. passport... yes. passport. passing them to you. driver's license...
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dur our extend the county shoot at suffolk county, boston, three inmates selected by jail staff were about to introduce themselves to four young men participating in the jail break program. >> the 12-year-old in cell one is here for cutting his teach zero what's up, man? what's up? >> we have two fireworks in school. marijuana in three. >> this is funny, huh? >> marijuana in four. >> this is a game? you think this is a game? >> one is 16, birthday next month. he is a heart beat away from being in here. >> smoking weed will end you in jail. eith either or, either or. >> take your sneakers off now.
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tough guy. >> they always take the shoes away. it is something they know happen in jail and you come to jail and you lose your lose. >> take your sneakers off. take your sneakers off. are you a gang banger? selling weed, man? >> what you crying for? >> take that smile off your face first. >> why you crying now? huh? >> look at that dripping down your face. >> what did it feel like? >> i don't know. >> didn't scare you? >> kind of. >> kind of? >> kind of like scared and all that, just kind of. >> i saw you crying. >> no, i wasn't. >> did he cry? >> he did. >> why you crying now? you wasn't crying when you cut your teacher. >> you cut your teacher? >> you ought to back up, man. >> can you back up a little bit? >> you got to back up. >> come to jail, yeah.
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>> whose sneakers are these? >> these are yours? >> who brought them? >> i am keeping them. you can have those. take those. >> you brought those, right? you can have those. >> those are yours. >> do you want them, come take them. let me see you take them. yeah. that's what happens in here. that's what happens in here. i take this, i take this, i take yours. i take yours. you won't do nothing about it. do you understand? do you understand me? i can't hear you. do you understand me? >> yes. >> hurry up, let's go. >> it is not often you see all the inmates working together towards a common cause. once the kids were brought up into the unit you could tell that everyone was there to put the fear inside them. >> let's see. >> gone already. >> get them in here.
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>> what's going on in here. >> what's going on in here? >> you and me. >> while the three younger boys seem shaken at times, 16-year-old damon pope maintained his nonchalant attitude. >> you tell me to tie them. >> you got somewhere to go? >> i am white. >> keep your mouth shut. >> what did i tell you? i don't care how much you paid. you're in jail. you're in jail. okay? welcome to jail. get your back to the wall. >> we followed the kids up to one of the housing units so they could see where one of their next bedrooms would be if they continue on the path and i think that was one of the scariest parts for the kids, the idea of being locked up inside a cell. >> get in there. welcome home. only two beds. you have to share beds. have a seat. make yourself comfortable. that's where you're going to be.
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>> you want to cut people? >> they can't let you out the door when you want to go home. >> i will put you in there with them. >> get those sneakers off. >> put him in there. put him in. >> he is going in. do you want to go in there? let's go. let's go. you got a bed for him? >> no, he can sleep on the bed with me. >> okay. >> that's fine. get in here. >> when one person is using the bathroom, one is by the door. this will be you. this is you right here. right here. steel. it is just fine. that's your home. that's your bed. >> you got to stay in one room the whole team for every day of the year, for how long you are here for? that's crazy. >> everybody out. let's go. >> where the boy? >> everybody else, go that way.
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>> boy, i want you. >> where your sneakers? they're his now. ask him if you can have your sneakers back. you don't want to ask him? you can have your shoes. merry christmas. get out of here. >> are you scared you're going to end up here? >> if i keep doing the things i am doing, yeah. >> go into the bathroom. take the uniform off, fold them nice and neat and bring them out to me. everybody understand, right? >> yes. >> keep on making those noises. keep on making noses. >> i am not. >> just because you walk out the front door doesn't mean you won't see me again and be back in this place. >> i am not going to be back. >> release. remember that. remember that. check the computer. >> he is going to end up in this place if he really doesn't change. he will end up in here, and he is so close to being 17 and at 17 you will end up in this place. he doesn't understand that. he thinks everything is a joke.
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he thinks he could do this. >> you're a good dude. you do your job well. >> hopefully i don't have to do my job with you. >> the other three, i think they learned their lesson. >> pope might have as well. nearly a year after our shoot he had not returned to the suffolk county jail. >> coming up. >> ♪ >> inmates who use their time to honey their talents -- hone their talents. ♪
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depending on the inmate, doing time can result in endless boredom or inspired new heights of creativity. >> it is a v-twin motor. >> this inmate who asked to only be identified by his nickname, lucky, used his time at san quentin state prison to create intricate models from soap, foil and paper. >> i carve it out. it is tread of the tire made out of soap. takes a long time. i have been doing it for like six years, and it keeps many he from being depressed and angry and everything else. >> what do these mean to you? what do they represent? >> i don't know. i guess freedom.
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you got to be free to actually ride them. >> lucky's models are more than just a hobby. he made one special bike as a gift to his daughter whom he had never met. >> she is nine years old. she has never had her dad. i don't know how to be a father. i really don't know what to give her. i want to give her something she don't have. ♪ >> we meant christopher lashbrook at the lyme on correctional facility in colorado. he spent much of his time practicing his music. he is it was the primary link to connected him to his father, the relationship was nearly destroyed by abuse. >> my dad tried everything to punish me. the slaps and kicks turned into punches and head buts, broken nose. >> there was no doubt about it he was abused at my hands. >> how are you doing? >> how are you doing? >> i love my dad. there is distance between us because i spent so much time incarcerated. the bond that's always kept him
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and i together has been the music. ♪ >> you taught me how to play, man. >> he is a musician, and he rubbed that off on me and i have been fortunate enough to have that talent. ♪ ♪ >> in some cases a prison sentence allows an inmate to discover a talent he might never have known he had. ♪ >> for clay lopez, a california state prison, doing time led him to the harmonica. >> almost 50 years old, and i will be over 50 when i get out, and so i don't have a career or anything, so i thought, well, you know, if i learn to play the harmonica i can at least pay my own rent when i get out there even as a street musician if i am sober. i think i will do okay.
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i started to play the harp better when i lost this tooth. i started getting the twanky sound the way it was supposed to sound and i was never so happy to lose this tooth t makes the harp sound really good. ♪ >> you can play what you feel without reading music, and i have tried to play guitar, piano, all kinds of stuff, and i never went anywhere and not that i am going anywhere with this, but i know a few songs, mostly hymns, gospel songs, and a few of my own and it expresses me. >> lopez was urn itting a 20 year sentence on 27 counts of burglary. his his exposure to inmates serving life terms that inspired
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him to pay them tribute through his songs. >> i wanted to do something for the lifers to express to them. i can sing the last verse and speak for itself. it goes ♪ ain't done no wrong ins is the days of old ♪ ♪ out in california, ain't no other road ♪ ♪ when i am carried away in the calling nurse car, someone tell the warden to please ship me to the dixie line ♪ >> the only way they're going to get out is when, well, when the angels come down and pick them up and take them home. that's why it's got that train
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