troops on the ground? >> that possibility is being prepared for. so far everyone is holding their breath. there's not been an immediate backlash yet as a result of the killing of 16 civilians including nine children which has everyone going through the roof here. i have not seen a reaction to these kind of accidents as i've seen to this particular incident. particularly the killing of children. the staff sgt. is in custody. he is lawyered up according to army officials and not talking to investigators. and at this point, the military is deeply involved in drawing up charges. they want to get the charges out as soon as possible to prove that the u.s. is pursuing the prosecution of this individual. >> i remember reading yesterday

that the white house report was that the president was on his way to his daughter's soccer game and had made the call to the afghani president, moving quickly on the issue. this morning i was reading that on the ground in afghanistan, the reaction was more muted, perhaps than was expected. do you have updates on that? >> we heard from ati in kabul and that even tpeople there are putting out the message to be peacef peaceful. at least for now, even the mullas inside pakistan do not want to see a repeat of violence. >> thank you for the intelligence. we will be in touch. >> you bet. >> i want to open it up to the panel, obviously, you guys we have a washington post abc news poll that kim out last night and

the question was, was the war in afghanistan been worth 35% said yes and 65% said no. and i have to give credit -- everyone that is a name here. mike on "morning joe" asked the question, is afghanistan becoming the you new vietnam and we pulled up statistics, a poll from 1973, was it a mistake to send troops into vietnam and 60% said yes. the numbers are in many ways parallel. ari, what do you make of the situation? >> i think you have a change in the baseline of american foreign policy, this was the war that then senator obama ran on adding troops into this theater of battle and now we have separate from even the tragic events of

this weekend, a tiresome feeling of the public. it's been longer than other wars and i think a last point about approximate the way the question is structured, when you say was it worth fighting, that's a snap shot of today, i do not think if you ask people should we have deposed the taliban in 2001, most people would look back on that and say no. what they are saying is, we understood the mission. we got the taliban. we got bin laden and it seems we have done enough. >> yeah, the one thing that we do not do going into the situation, but i really agree with ari just to back up a bit. i think that americans were supportive of going into afghanistan, i think that president bush had near total support if the country. the taliban was there and they attacked on 9/11, no question it was the right thing to do then. but today, the question is what

is victory going to look like? we never defined it going in and so we do not recommegnize it tot out. so you have how bad does it have to get before you leave. no american military wants to leave on those term thes. how bad does it get before we leave? and nobody wants to set the american military to make that decision. it's getting worse and this reinforces that. >> and yet, matthew bishop, the president is between a rock and hard place to be over simplified. do you think the u.s. should keep the military forces until it has trained the afghan army or withdraw, another poll, and 43% say keep them and the rest say withdrawal. we know the vacuum left after we leave will be huge. what is the president to do as there's a majority of americans that want to be out of there and

there will be repercussions if we leave? >> you have to say unpopular things at times in leadership and explain what would happen if you just went along with them. if america pulls out in a way that is not with the long-term in mind, what you'll have is disaster. you'll have all the people that we were supporting not being supported and those making small businesses grow, they will be abandon and the country will go civil war. one of the most moving movies i saw was charlie wilson's war, which was about getting the soviets out of afghanistan and the message at the end was, you know, we won the war and did not invest in the nation afterwards and as a result we got the taliban . we are losing the war in

afghanistan. it's not going so badly that it will be a defeat though. >> it bares mentioning the burning of the korans and this latest act of violence -- >> they are terrible accidents. let's talk about how it plays out. we have seen rosier signs as far as the economy is going and the republicans aretrying to see what messages resonate with voters. let's hear what rick smor antor had to say. time -- it's important to look at the situation and see whether it's possible to continue on. >> that i think is called soft shoeing around, offering any specific proposals. newt gingrich coming out with probably the strongest language on this. let's hear what he had to say on fox news yesterday. >> the there's something pro

foundly wrong with the way we are approaching the region, it will get worse not better. we are risking the lives of young men and women in a way that may not be doable. >> luckily the president will not be running against newt gingrich, he is going to be running against mitt romney who is loathe to take in i military positions. this is is a big opportunity for him to draw a distinction between himself and the president and he will not do it if you are the president, you are glad the oh, sasama bin lad situation went the way it did. >> we know there a would question marks over the summer. one is foreign policy, not just afghanistan, it's iran and syria. the other is gas prices. we will talk more about that in

the next block, but newt has tried to focus our involvement in the middle east to our dependence on foreign oil, do you think that romney will pick that up and that could be the talking point for republicans? >> it should be, it's the best argument that republicans have on do what they want to do on. which is increase drilling and and look for more domestic sources of energy to tie it to the problems in the middle east and to say, we do not want to be buying gas from our enemies, that is actually a great argument. it's what is keeping newt gingrich holding on by a thread in the race. that resonated with people. that makes a lot of sense to people. and if mitt romney is smart he will pick up on it. i don't know if he will go as far as newt gingrich does. gingrich could get hit by his own base but he is stepping up and saying what he believes is the right thing to do. >> coming up, we are going to

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>> we need to decide that the united states is going to have to back off from that region, not take primary responsibility for the flow of oil from the persian gulf and say, you have a problem, but it's not necessarily america's problem. >> matthew bishop, we were talking during the break, can you imagine the day when the united states can look at the middle east and say, hey, we are not involved because we to not need to be involved because we are not depending on your oil. let's talk about how realist i

can -- it sounds like the gas prices, the fact that that the current average is $3.80 a gallon is impacting the president's approval rating. i love the washington post abc polls, do you approve the way the president is handling the gas prices situation? disapproval up four points. this could be a serious issue coming into the election. >> yes, that is not going to happen fast, the reduction of depending on foreign oil. if iran boils over like it seems likely to do, you know, we could be seeing gas prices up another 50%, 75%. you know, it's a pretty high risk situation for obama right now. >> and it tees up the republican talking points on, just like you

were saying, bobby jindal said that with rising energy costs making it more expensive to heat our homes and fuel our cars, more are criticizing the president's energy policy, his administration has a national energy policy, it's a s is ubs is ervient by-product -- >> oh, snap, bobby jindsal. >> he is taking issue with the permane permitting process, the lack of support for fracking and the keystone, that political football. >> i keep coming back to domestic oil production is at an all-time high and it's not solving the problem. to act like that is what will lower the gas prices is unfru and unfair to the obama

administration and seems that no matter what they do, they have a report showing that we are deceasing our dependence on foreign oil by a million barrels a day. it does not translate when you are getting hit hard in the pump. >> part of that is because the economy stinks, it's the worst and best thing for obama, he has no control over gas prices right now. the reason that gas prices are going up are because india and china are buying all the oil and we are competing with them for the first time. china has more cars than any other country for the first time ever of. they are competing. they are the ones that want the oil, that is driving up the prices. there's a middle east component to it. but the reason it's good for obama is all he has to do is act like he cares more about it. >> that is not necessarily fair. i think that actually in the last couple of weeks, he has made a point of saying at press conferences or at the manufacturing centers -- >> he needs to do it more. >> he clearly does because now the talking point is you are a

radical lefty greeny who will not build the keystone pipeline. >> he needs to speak back on it. >> as a radical greeny, gas prices are too high. it relates to the scale of demands than rather than the ti on the edges, unless you are going to change the tax structure for the use of oil in the country, you are not going move my of it. >> nor are some of the democrats going to make that stands. >> and the one big climate related bill they had did not get across the line enough. you want leadership from obama and the rest of the world does anyway, the rest of the world is paying four and five times as much assist gas as america is

paying. the rest of europe is trying to attack this problem. and obama was supposed to be agreeing. he is not being agreeing in any sense that anyone in europe would recognize. >> when you tell us that news in a british accent it he makes us feel bad how bad we have been on tackling climate change. obama said this is the moment where the seas will stop rising, and where is the -- >> in a short period of time, it was a big move, he needs to push his message more, he is leaving it open for the republicans on come in, 60% of americans think he has kcontrol over the price f oil and he doesn't. >> we will be talking more about the president and how he is being painted down south. some republicans are saying that mitt romney has the nomination

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patricia, do southern voters like being called sardines? >> they do not like that. does anybody? are southerners really different from the rest of us? and i'm a southerner. if you are going to pander get it right. it's not cheesy grits. it's cheese grits. but oddly in the polls, he is doing well. but newt gingrich is poised to do well. santorum is -- i do not understand why mitt romney is playing well, and i'll be surprised if he does well. >> the asu poll from last friday shows gingrich at 21% and romney at 20%. so it's a toss up. >> isn't is that because you are seeing romney and santorum split the conservative vote. if one of them drops out no chance --

>> gingrich and santorum? >> yes. >> i think to is a -- to a certain degree. he has not handled himself well though. it was interesting, ari, if you read a newspaper called the new york times they had a fascinating story about mitt romney's time at governor, and those working with him realized that he did not know who they were, he had a private elevator for his own use so he did not have to go up with the others. this was a 9/11 security measure. they said he used a top down business mindsed approach. when you think about mitt romney, that is obvious on the campaign trail and i cannot imagine what the administration wok ali would be like.

>> the legislature is not a far away board, it's not a group of people that you did not have to check in with, they do matter. he did get a lot done. but on the personal side, yes, this is the model for how he would govern. and there's a fiction in american politics that campaigns are the dry run. they are not the dry run and we have seen good presidents with bad campaigns before them. the test, just like when people looked closely at obama's record, he voted present a lot. whether it was good or bad, it gave you an idea of his approach to resolving problems and helped him do well in illinois. to your point, alex, mitt romney did not roll up his sleeves and work closely with the legislators and people should know that and factor it in. >> and made wild miscalculations about how it worked. he encouraged and funded republicans to run against

democrats, and unseat them and then the democrats won the election and then he came back and asked for their vote. hey, you may not want to try to unseat them if you want their support. let's talk about rick santorum. he is not giving up the math question. which is understandable. who wants to give up because of math. because there's the numbers game. the official delegate is romney 377, santorum at 146, gingrich at 112. let's say that santorum that is a strong showing out of the south. where does it leave us? >> it leaves us where we are now. for him to get the math that he needs, which is to win 65% of the remaining delegates, it's just about impossible because in part the only win or take all states, washington, d.c., he is

not on the ballot and new jersey he will have difficulty with and utah, you know romney is going to get. he will not cash in big time, and that will make it nearly impossible. >> but his and the rest of them's goals is not i want to get to 1144, it's i want to keep romney from getting there. and all three of them believe, as long as i can do that i object play at the convention. and it's not exactly morning in america. to get in and -- they use the term, to relitigate the rest of the nation. that is what they see. it's not winning it's keeping romney from winning. >> you said gingrich had southern appeal and nothing else, his strategy is a recipe for disaster. >> hm-mm. >> we do know that the next big battleground is going to be

illinois. romney is polling 35%, and santorum 31% and once again it's a rust belt state, the economy will matters. it's a varied population in terms of urban centers. matthew, bishop, it's just a mess, isn't it. it will go on to june and possibly to tampa. >> at some point the party will decide they want to rally behind romney. i know they are dragging it out as long as they can. but at some point they will say it's becoming damaging of course we need to get on with attacking the president. so, the math is sort of unanswer able. >> said from the economist. >> well, can -- it's not over until it's over. but my guess is he will be the candidate and they will have to suck it up and unite behind him and then it gets more interesting because the agenda will then switch to issues which are more about the economy which

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romney at this the -- at this point seems like an unfair advantage. she said it's exciting to hear women talking about the economy because men have been talking about the contraception issue. the obama campaign is now launching a -- they have sent out mailers to one million women across the country in swing states and there's a nurses for obama effort to be announced. >> he wrote a column that republicans draft an romney for the brokered convention, because that is what republicans need to be saying. she is the only republican literally the only republican i have heard say all year long. you can try and pandser a bit. act like you care about women. but you do not. so someone like ann romney is helpful, but it highlights what is missing across the republican field and across the party at

every level, national, state, inside and outside the party. rush limbaugh, it's been a gathering of events that nobody planned but it's as if someone in the obama administration planned it. or paid for someone to do it. they are vulnerable to economy but republicans are not talking about the economy. >> if you looked at what happened in 2008, exit poll, obama won 56% of women and john mccain won 43%. he did not do well among men, women carried him over the top. 2010, house democrats narrow. but team obama understands what is at stake. it's not just convenient to gin up votes. it's a critical thing. >> the problem with the 20 10 number, it's the first time since 1982 that democrats lost women's vote. that is ridiculous, so i think that democrats going into the

cycle knew how important it was. and they realize they have a huge opportunity with women who have never been married or married and divorced or married and lost a spouse overwhelmingly vote democrat. so, right now what they are doing is getting women in the door. so that even if this issue away come november, they are there as reliable democratic voters. >> i thought, we look at what what president obama's approval was in january. 46% in january, and 53% in february. so when you look at the earlier numbers, but he is doing better among women and this seems to be working for him. matthew bishop, what do you make of the effort on the right to alienate the female vote? >> brilliant political strategy. clearly wrong the candidate will not run on these issues.

he will say the least he can to offend women and the most he can say to talk about economic issues where women care about that. all the evidence is that they control more household budgets than every. so the economy matters. so, you know, i do not think that necessarily even the improvement in obama's performance reflects purely this issue. it may be the fact that the economy seems to be picking up. and it may alsos be making women more supportive of him as a president. >> there was a article quoting from a former romney supporter, i did not realize i had a strong viewpoint on this until these conversations, meaning the conversations around contraception and so forth, i did not realize i had a strong viewpoint on this until these conversations. that's a telling statement, in terms of, i'm not going to say it radicalizing conservative women, but i can share stories

about women who have been sort of eh about obama and they see this and it's like i have to give him money. >> it's coming from the conservative thought among women's groups in the party, they say and feel that many of the liberal attacks are unfair and are equaling this in religious values. what has happened here fairly or not. whether the white house could have bought this much negative attention is a debate. but what has happened is the ugly i.d.of a part of the movement which is disrespectful to women has taken center stage, it does not represent all pro-life people and it's not necessarily the only view that is out on the stage, for a party that has courted and built up rush limbaughs for decades is their just desserts.

>> what we may see is them having a female vice president candidate, but yet they will not get one that is not making pro-life positions a key part of her identity. >> there are a number of women that are pro-life. more than half of women in the country are pro-life on the scale. if question for the president, can he put the genie back in the bottle. can he distance himself enough. he is a part of a part that has unintentionally activated women on an issue they never knew it could be an issue at this point. this is not 1956. so, the republican party has done so much damage, whoever the nominee is in november, it's going to be impossible to make up that ground. >> i agree with you, and i think that mitt romney had a window to say something about the rush limbaugh comment and he let close and go by. that was not the republican party saying he could not speak

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lendsers and working to regulate overdraft fees and now you are, looking into student loans. you have been -- what have you learned? >> we are, and we just started this month taking complaints on our website, consumer finance.gov with young people struggling with student loans, and they have issues with billing disputes or unclear about the terms or conditions of repayment or debt collection issues which are coming up more and more. so there's a lot of issues people are having about their student loans as well as also as you mentioned the significant burden this is putting on them and on our economy. >> i was actually staggered to learn from the fed that americans now owe more on student loans than on credit cards. it's surprising, richard, i mean, so many of the things you are doing are providing a great service, but this, how this happened, i think it's a

mystery. do you have any insight to rising cost of colleges. we have numbers we will share in a second. but i would love to know what you think is the causal relationship here. >> obviously the debt burden follows to heels of rising tuition which has been going up for the past 20 to 30 years. rising faster than the rate of inflation. everyone knows in our society that a college he had can indication is -- education is often a ticket to a better life and everyone is chasing that dream. so, it's created significant demand and the debt burden has exploded. >> i want to bring in the panel here. paul, on friday, in the "new york times" brought in these statistics. tuition at increased by 70% over the last decade and state support for higher education has fallen, 12% in some states like california, that is up to 20%.

this is amazing. in the 1970s, pell grants covered 40% and now covers 15%. and yet, matthew, to you first. when we talk about making america competitive. one of the keys to making america competitive and to job creation is skills and education. and if you listen to the rhetoric around education in this current crop of presidential candidates it's -- they have called for the shutting of the department of education and deceasing the amount of involvement that the federal government has in the education in the united states. >> the problem is more with the k through 12 level. the failure of holding levels of achievement that you are getting is a scandal.

particularly 30 prs of young people do not get the basic education. and the higher education scandal is more about the change from the for-profit education model coming in and doing a lot of ini innovation and providing people that wanted the education that was not available finding as the industry took off and abuses came in as they tried to grow faster than they should have done. i think it's right to look at the student loan question. >> to solve the riddle, go to any college campus. the building says are wonderful, and the parking lots are beautiful, and the presidents make half a million to a million dollars. they are running major hospital systems. so much the college is not about the student, it's about having

facilities and it's about getting a good education. the answer is not to throw more money at the problem, the colleges will charge what they can get from students out of a loan. and you need to bend that down. obama has talked about bending the price back down so you can work your way through college if you wanted to. so you can take out a loan and not mortgage your future to do it. >> again, look at the stats, 74% of the students attending in the top skchools in the country are from the top tier economy wise. i am assuming income is being taken into consideration, but what kind of picture is emerging from the students that are being targeted the most or having the biggest difficulties with student loans? >> it's a picture that should cause concern to everyone. we are talking young people with

intelligence and wanting to get that higher education, they do not have the finances to easily afford it and those are the ones we want most to succeed in our society. if instead, they are getting trapped into private student loan burdens that are not sustainable and will not allow them to get the education and they are coming out with a crushing debt burden that holds them back in life. we are disservicing the society and america's future. >> thank you, we will look forward to monitoring all of on your efforts and learning more about them in the weeks and months to come. if you are unsatisfied with the current presidential field, there's a dozen candidates from new york city are also running for the white house. we will explain next in "what now?" . >> and coming up on "andrea mitchell reports," a massacre creates a crisis for the u.s. in in afghanistan.

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i represent the rent is too damn high party. people are working a third job, and women can got afford to feed their children, breakfast, lunch and dinner. >> welcome back, time for "what y now?" 11 people in new york have thrown their hats in the ring, including, my fellow new yorkers, for the most part, jimmy mcmillan, jimmy the rent is too damn high.

there are 11 people running, one from long island and the rest from new york city. look, i don't want to handicap anybody here, but the more serious question to be asked is, why can't we get a third party? why is it such a ridiculous idea that there's anyone other than the democrat and republican running for office? >> i think that jimmy mcmillan touched the city and than touched the rest of the country and he did it by speaking to one issue. breakfast, lunch, and dinner, those are three meals that everyone understands. >> now his platform is the deficit is too big. >> you have to pivot. and to the point that you do not have fluidity in the states and you do not have the ballot access and you do not have the

ability without someone with a lot of cash and organizing muscle to get on the ballot, on so they can not get the 5% or 10%. >> the one new yorker that is not running is the one that can afford to run the campaign. that is the mayor. he does not want to lose. but he should be out there making the arguments that he makes in private. >> 2016 will be interesting especially? lewis, a queens democrat and amateur featherweight boxer, makes it to the race. let's move to a different topic. sheriff joe arpaio whose cold case posse concluded that president's birth certificate is likely a fake how has two challengers that want to be the new sheriff in town. >> a side from a all of these

things, he has a pile of warrants on his desk for real crimes that are going unanswered. if you are living in his county, you should be nervous not because of undocumented immigrants or the president, it's that your police chief is not doing what needs to be done. what is being seen, is you cannot run a did democrat against these guys. you have to run a republican with a record that people in that district can go in and vote on. it's the only way to bump somebody like him. >> it's worth keeping in minds that the department of justice is that he has been mishandled parentally more than 400 sex crime cases in the states. newt gingrich attended baptist services and used the opportunity to lash out at the new show, "gcb" represents are good christian and a word that rhymes with pitches.

>> what better place to do that? i s i saw the show, and i enjoyed it. >> you and 7.6 million people. >> it's a farce, it's a light hearted take on society. you mknow i think his point wasa more serious one, that the united states has become too politically correct. i think that's the message that resonated in that church and i'm sure many were offendsed by the show but watched it anyway. >> thanks again to my panel, that is all for "now." i'll see you back here tomorrow at noon eastern, and 9:00 pacific when i am joined by ed rendell, and patricia murphy back for more.

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