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for "msnbc investigates," i'm john siegenthal. there are two million people behind bars in america, we open the gates, lockup. >> don't be weak in prison. that is a downfall. >> i didn't like the way you allowed them to punk you. >> it was the scariest thing i had to go through. >> when i walked back here, it was horrifying, something i don't ever -- >> i want to see outside, i want to see beauty. studies show women are the
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fastest growing segment of the population. the total number of male prisoners grown 29%. female 50%. what does it mean to society and the justice system. we first visited valley state prison system in 2000 one of the largest all female prisons in the world. we returned five years later to see if reforms made any difference to a system troubled by overcrowding and the inmates caught in a seemingly hopeless cycle of abuse, drug addiction and violence. >> everybody tries to make a family here, this is their family while they are here. but then there is another aspect of the population that can be very eileye violent, cut throat they are making a game out of it. and the more violent it is, the more fun it is for them. >> take your camera off me.
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>> they're not people. >> i don't care because of things i've done and i'm scared. i'm scared. i'm very scared. >> 250 miles north of los angeles in california is valley state prison for women, it was built in 1995, and sits on more than 640 acres. while valley state's dormitory layout and yards might remind people of a college campus, guard towers and fence leave no doubt this is prison and the women who live here are criminals. >> when i first came to prison i was 19 years old and i'm here for second degree murder, i have 10 to life. >> sharon phoenix is now 41 years old.
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>> everything was like silent, you had to be careful in the way you walked and talked, your attitude. i was dealing with women who didn't care. i seen a woman get beaten and i've seen women od'd. >> more than 80% are in for drug-related offenses. >> i used to use heroin, started at 16 using it. >> addicted to crack cocaine. >> heroin. >> i was using since i was 12 years old. >> substance abuse is an under lying factor of most of the crimes committed by the women here because in order to sup mortgage their drug habits, you end up committing burglaries, petty theft, various crimes that will result in a felony conviction. as a result, they end up in prison. >> what do you mean you need more food? starving like what? >> i'm eight months pregnant. >> let me see. >> oh you are, aren't you?
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gloria henry is the warden at valley state. she has run the prison since 2002, and has been working with women in corrections more than 20 years. >> i've always felt like i have a responsibility to try and return them to the community better than they were when they came in. you have a lot of these women who come in here from the time they were little girls, they had nobody to teach them how to be a good citizen, how to be a productive adult. they have no life skills. they didn't learn them. what they did growing up were survived. so when they come in here, there's a lot of things that we need to be able to teach them how to do in order to go back in our communities. >> this is the reception area at valley state where the new inmates are processed. >> do you have any old cdc numbers? >> no. i've never been i'm scared. i'm ashamed of what i did, too.
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>> right now i'm numb, i don't feel anything. because i just got here so i mean i don't feel anything yet. i don't know how it will be, i don't know what i will face because i've never been here. >> some of them i see come in they are disgusted because they are back here again, and we see them every three or four months or time and time again. >> this is my fifth time. >> your fifth time? first commitment was petty theft with a require, this is my fourth violation. >> i never said i wasn't going to come back because i'm a criminal, it's what i do. >> after the initial photographs, fingerprints and paperwork the medical staff examines each inmate to assess her needs. >> that is the only thing you're in treatment for right now? >> the new inmates must spend several weeks in an area separate from the general integrated in a permanent housing unit. they are tested to determine in
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which housing area they will be placed for their remaining sentence. >> some of the women inmates that we see here who are psychotic, lost touch with reality, may have very bizarre and unusual behaviors, hear voices, those type of things, we need to treat them with medication and supportive therapy. we also see people who have major depressive disorders, very sad, maybe suicidal and they may need medication they are pi and sigh could therapy as well. >> once the correctional staff screens each inmate for medical and psychological needs, as well as security risks, she is assigned to her housing unit. the women live eight to a room. >> when you live with seven other different personalities, and somebody's day has gone wrong, they are bound and determined to turn it around on you. >> you better be quiet, you're going to get it. >> friendships are lost over one
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bad day in close quarters. inmates not only have to get used to the new environment but the prison routine. a typical day at valley state starts early. at 6:30, breakfast is cooked and served by the inmates under staff supervision. the majority of inmates spend their day in a variety of valley state's educational, vocational or rehabilitation programs where they can earn a high school diploma, learn a trade or cope with anger, adduction and abuse. addiction. >> when i first came to prison i started fighting at anything, anything you said to me would make me react. if i felt threatened. most of the time i would end up in cuffs. i had several police tell me you will be here until the prison falls down, and through going to groups and therapy, i finally learned that wasn't the way to do it. i need to use talking skills
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instead of my hands, with more help and more good functions, i have the chance to go home. >> life here is about order and routine. by 10:00 p.m. it's lights out. there are some places at valley state that never go to sleep. coming up. >> this is how it is, 24/7. you have to be prepared for anything. >> doing time at valley state's prison within a prison. later. >> when i was a little girl i can't imagine myself being here today or coming to a place like this. >> we check back with someone who was out of her teens when we first met her five years earlier and could spend your life behind bars.
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. >> i have a problem with you because i didn't like the way
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you allowed them to punk you. >> an act of violence or drug use inside the prison will bring an inmate here, to the administrative segregation unit or ad-seg. it's valley state's prison within a prison. while ad-seg houses those on temporary lockdown, the other side of the building known as the security housing unit or shoe is for serious offenders considered a more permanent problem. >> i was set up. i was set up. that's what i was, inmates were afraid of me and they put a shank in my locker. >> inmates in the shoe are kept in their cells almost 23 hours a day. they are allowed out for only three showers a week and ten hours in the recreation yard. life in ad-seg or shoe isn't just a more intense experience for the inmates, correctional officers like diane vasquez are under the pressure of dealing
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with a different brand of criminal. >> working here in ad-seg shoe is very challenging, you deal with a lot of physical abuse, mental abuse. emotional abuse, depends how much you little affect you. you hear yelling, cursing, you hear banging, kicking on the doors. this is how it is 24/7. at night time they don't sleep. you have to be ready to react to anything. you always have to be repd, know your options when you're dealing with different situations. you always have to think two steps ahead to prepare for what can happen. >> arsenal of non-lethal weapons like tear gas and rubber bullets provides stopping power in case of an incident to provided aed
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security for the officers, meals are delivered through slots in cell doors. random cell searches are an effective way for officers to find weapons and other contraband before they can be used on staff and other inmates. >> checking unclear containers, we can't see through this. we can take a light, we will be able to see it. there is an unknown liquid in this. that is shampoo in there. use mirrors to see where we don't want to put our hands without being able to see, we don't want to get stabbed. >> the officers searched for all sorts of contraband thr first and foremost on the lookout for weapons. >> could be as simple as this right here, cellofane, it's stiff, could be used as a stabbing weapon, better that we take it. >> when it comes to crafting homemade weapons, an inmate's
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determination can be deadly. >> right here, is what we call a fashion block, and what it is a cut off pill oh case, made in a handle the inmate braids it to where they can hold it real tight and what they do is they attack the other inmate. another common weapon for inmates to use would be a tooth brush, you melt the plastic down, and put a razor in there which acts as a slashing device. screws have been melted inside a lighter and you hold it. >> keeps the inmates safe, keeps the officers safe. if we stop it here, everyone gets to go home safe. zblrnlt hey. >> quit pushing on me. >> not all prisoners are in ad-seg for disciplinary reasons. cynthia and linda are here to
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protect them from their enemies. >> we're hear our life has been put on the line and we have families we want to get home to, too. >> i was put back here because my life was threatened, because my son testified and took somebody away from their family, they were going to take me from mine. back here a little over a month getting harder and harder. i feel like my whole world was crumbling. i could see horror when i walked back here. >> every time they take you out of the cell you're handcuffed. it's very depressing, very humiliating. >> linda donohue was assaulted at a nearby prison and shipped to valley state for her protection. now her attacker will be arriving at the prison. so linda has been moved to ad-seg for her security. >> she stabbed me, blood all over the room, i got up, she had me pinned, i was able to get up and bang on the door for the officer. >> i'm scared of dying.
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i have seen people beat worse than what i got beat. >> for both women the isolation of ad-seg was a time to reflect. >> it was a reality check, maybe this is what it took for me to have to realize this is not where i want to be. >> you're told not to be weak in prison, don't be weak in prison. that's a downfall. i don't know how to be strong. >> just had that one habit and i just couldn't break away from, you know. was like taking away the loneliness. >> violence and drugs still take their toll in valley state. darlene acevedo is serving time for petty theft, as a drug user she was sent to the ad-seg for feeding her addiction on the inside which led to an attack on another inmate. she has been in ad-seg for 21 months. >> this is the first time i have been sober my whole life since i started using drugs, since i was
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18. so, that is why i got my reality check. this is the real person, who i really am. >> darlene's facilities are basic with a few luxuries like lotion, spices and a television. she spends her time reading with only pictures of her family to keep her company. >> they give me hope when i look at my pictures, i know that i have a purpose. >> today, darlene will go before a committee to determine if she is fit to leave ad-seg. >> she was originally placed in a -- regarding the assessment, no factors in aggravation. further recommended we release her to facility d. >> she will return to the general population. >> everything will be fine, i'll make it. >> when we return -- >> this place makes you hard. >> five years later, we catch up
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when i was a little girl no, i couldn't imagine myself being here now today or even coming to a place like this. when i was 16, in juvenile hall fighting my case, still never thought i would come to prison. to be so young, convicted of second degree murder, facing 15 to life in prison was the scariest thing i had to go through. i didn't know what i was coming to, what it would be like. i heard many stories of prison. i was scared, terrified. >> when we first met janice jaycott she turned 21. she was sent to valley state to serve 15 to life for second degree murder. >> i set up a drug deal, drug deal turned into a robbery, the robbery turned into a murder. the girl turned state evidence and the guy was on the run and he ended up dying a year-and-a-half later. this place makes you hard. it can make you bitter.
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i don't think it rehabilitates you. 90% of the women go out harder than what they come in. >> janice was pregnant when she was arrested. her son was born six months prior to her being sent to valley state. >> i don't know what it's like to be a mother to him. to me i'm the woman who gave birth to him i'm not his mom. my stepmom and father have raised him. >> janice is now 26. older, wiser and looking toward the future. >> four years ago i was a wreck. i was real rebellious, didn't care about nobody. i don't think i gave a damn about myself. to now, four years later, i'm more mature, i care what happens to me. >> janice also cares about the child she left behind. she hopes to be paroled within five years, and at last be a mother to her son before it's
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too late. >> i think as he gets older and comes to understand and realized where i'm at and not home taking care of him, i think he will be real rebellious about it. and he's not going to want to listen to nobody and i'm terrified he will make the same mistakes i did. >> at valley state prison, there are 385 women serving life sentences. >> four years ago i couldn't see ever leaving here. i couldn't see leaving here. now, as my board date approaches i see there might possibly be a light at the end of the tunnel, only in the last years have i felt like maybe this isn't what god has planned for me to stay here for the rest of my life. >> marta is also a lifer at valley state. she was convicted in 1998 for vehicular manslaughter. she drove drunk and killed four people. >> i wanted to die myself. it didn't only affect the poor people in that car, but myself, and my two children, don't have
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their mother right now. the effects ripple on down and affects so many people that it's unbelievable. the pain will never go away. >> marta is serving 15 to life. when we spoke to her in 2000, she was convinced prison was the end of the line. but longs to reunite with the family she left behind. >> i have a very supportive daughter, who is 20, who is putting herself through school and i have a 23-year-old son in iraq right now, who should be coming home soon. he's having the hardest time dealing with me being here. and we basically had no communication since i've been in prison. but i'm faithful that god will turn that around. i know that god's always there. he wraps his arms around me and comforts me and tell me he will
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see me through this and that he's forgiven me because i can't forgive myself sometimes. >> i become a very angry person rather than say somebody who is looking at things and finding things better, there is nothing rehabilitating here. it's a drudgery, really. >> when we last saw barbara erdman she was 65 years old and one year in her 10 year sentence for murder. >> my husband left me after 30 years, and i was having a very tough time with it. and all of a sudden i decided i was going to be me again and i went over to his house, he had moved out, and i went over to his house where he lived and wanted to tell him to keep whatever pension and stuff he had, and just sign the house
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over to me. and he got very irate and started beating me, when i backed up, his gun was on the counter, he carried it once in a while, i picked it up trying to scare him, and he backed off but then he came at me, and i pulled the trigger, i guess. i really don't remember it clearly. it went off and he died. >> barbara had more difficulty adjusting to her time in prison than the others. barbara will soon be 71. >> no, this is not life i'll tell you that. you definitely are being punished, that is for sure. it's a nightmare. i still had not gotten over the
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shock of being here and everything is so different. people are so different, they're not people. and i think i was still in shock at that time, i didn't really realize what was going on, what it would be like to be in here. and it's horrible. really is. i don't laugh as freely, i don't live, really. is basically what it is. i try very hard to keep my spirits up, but there are times you just can't. if it wasn't for my family, my granddaughter, who i've got pictures of, i wouldn't make it. i don't know what would happen. >> as these women get closer to
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freedom, they remain mindful of the fine line between getting out and actually moving on. >> when i get out of prison i will be the kind of person that carries a good job, be the best mother i can be, that is my number one priority, to be a mother to my child. >> i cannot bring those children back, i cannot bring the gentleman and his girlfriend back and i can't wipe the tears of the family members or my own family members. but i can keep trying to move forward and do the best that i can do for others and try to replace it that way. that is the only way i know how. >> that is what i need to do is just focus on the fact in two years i will be out, and maybe there is something i can do on the outside. i want to see the outside. i want to see some beauty. try to forget about this place.
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i'm aditi roy. the former rutgers student accused of using a webcam to spy on his roommate's intimate encounter was found guilty. tyler clementi committed suicide in 2010. dharun ravi faces up to ten years in prison at sentencing. george clooney and his father were briefly arrested, taking part this a protest outside the sudanese embassy. now back to lockup. >> medical care for prison inmates is inadequate. at valley state ri son for
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women, health care is one of the facilities biggest challenges. for prisoners, also been a hot button issue for years. >> each day, just after breakfast, the inmates on medication line up for their daily doses. all drugs are regulated. psychotropic, pre natal, cold medicine. the inmates have long considered health care to be one of valley state's biggest problems. despite being fully operational on the first visit in 2000, the facilities were under staff and overburdened. there were less than ten physicians to care for more than 3500 inmates. >> the medical care here sucks. >> medical sucks. >> medical sucks. >> we need better medical. >> i have been here eight years never had a physical won't give me a physical. they said because i'm young and healthy i don't need a physical. >> because of standards that are set by the community, there has
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been a significant increase in funding for the health care services for women, and we have been able to add to our staff in terms of physicians, nursing, mental health staff, is it still perfect, no. do we have enough staff, no. do we have vacancy issues and problems we're working ificantl off in terms of ability to deliver quality standard of care today than we were a year ago or five years ago. >> most of the difficulties stem from the inherent differences between male and female populations. above all, pregnancy. >> pregnancies in the prison provide a very unique problem for us, because many of the women that are pregnant are in very poor health, they are ill when they are pregnant, they come here and they are depressed, they have a number of issues going on in their lives. >> approximately 175 babies are born each year to inmates at
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valley state. building b-1 houses the expecting mothers. >> i'm having twins, i think i'm having a boy and girl, i hope that what is i want. i have a 2-year-old and 1 year-old at home. >> when an inmate is ready to deliver at valley state she is fwro brought to a hospital. correctional officers are posted outside the delivery room. that isn't the only thing that separates the moms. >> the mothers don't get to bring them home. a family member must pick up the newborn within 48 hours, otherwise the baby is placed in foster care. >> this is my son manuel, he was a first born he weighed 1.9 pounds. >> when inmates amelia gutierrez was sent to valley state on an assault charge she was seven months pregnant with triplets. >> i had a really rough experience being here, a high risk pregnancy, this is no place
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to be. >> her deliverly was premature. she had to be airlifted to a hospital, capable of providing adequate care to her new family. but soon after delivering the triplets, amelia was given traumatizing news. >> i'm very grateful because two of my triplets are still living. and my son unfortunately, passed away, which was really hard because i couldn't be there for him like i should have been. the hardest thing was to lose my son and just being away from my children, period. like really tearing me up inside. because i never wanted to be -- i feel i'm the worstest mother. this is not my home here.
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i'm not calling this my home. my home is with my children. unfortunate fact of life at valley state, 85% of these women are mothers. they display photos on cell walls or lockers. >> this is hunter and sierra. >> these are my girls, i love them so much. >> one of the more sobering differences between men and women's prisons is that many of the inmates who end up here never see their loved ones again. >> in the women's case they are frequently abandoned, not men in their lives that cared about them enough to stay with them during this difficult time. they come here and their families don't take the time to bother and come see them. there are not many men that want to communicate with and write to and send love stories and love letters to women that are locked up. >> it's saturday. usually a prison's busiest time for visits.
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yet inmate hansa and her family have the inmate to themselves. >> without them being here i don't think i could make it through this. just looking for the visit, their letters, brightens my day. >> her fiance and three boys are visiting. >> miss her a lot. just happy we can see her today. >> supposed to get maried when she gets out. >> we never get to talk to her or anything else. alls we do is get to write her. when she gets out she can come to our football games. >> you know i will. be there with every one, videotaping it. you know i will. just can't wait for me to get out of here and living our life. i know that is my goal. very blessed to have someone taking care of my kids, a lot of women don't know where their kids are. >> they don't have family, our
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family kind of shut them off, since they are in here. i'm fortunate enough i got someone who loves me and will come 200 miles, whatever, how many miles to come see me. >> see you next weekend. >> anza was released from valley state prison in november, 2000. her sons are teenagers, now living at home with her and anza is still in a relationship with her fiance. although advocacy groups sponsor bus trips to bring families to see their mothers, such trips are rare. barely 1% of inmates have a visitor on any given day, meaning anza was among a precious lucky few. >> life in here is liveable, because it gives me something to look forward to. when we return.
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a rotten person. i know he forgives my sins. and i know i can do anything. >> there are several religious options for the inmates. from this native ahere cancer moan led by a cherokee healer. >> connect to your center. we send our blessings out to our family, that we miss very much. >> only god is in that place. >> to this catholic service where inmates are anointed with holy oil. >> healed of all diseases. >> so many inmates have never been touched, the touching part is a real key for them. the very fact of the anointing and bless, i can touch them on their forehead and hands, i get the sense of relief for them, that somebody really cares about them enough not to touch them in a violating way or abusive way.
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>> because so many inmates have been physically and mentally abused, they come in valley state unaccustomed to nurturing relationships. >> one of the things that happens in the prison system for women, women will build themselves a family. a woman will become a father, a woman will become an uncle, brother, and they will be pulled together in a family structure. >> decide this is an older lady, i look up to them. so this is like my mother figure. they start calling her mom. this is, you know, lesbian female, this is my dad, whatever. >> lorena diaz is serving six year for manslaughter and assault on an officer. >> something they don't get at home. something they never have. in here the relationships are much more close because you're so enclosed and you see these people every single day no matter what you do. so you build these bonds with
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people. >> many of these inmates become so close their relationships go beyond mere support. >> women have a much stronger need for touch and to be close to each other and to talk and to have close relationships. >> yes, i maried in prison. to who? >> to a woman. >> we're all married. >> many of our women prisoners who would not be gay or lesbians in the free world are in fact drawn to each other here in a supportive family like concept, and that ultimately may lead actually into sexual lesbian sexual relationships. >> when i first came to prison about a year after i was in prison i started being with women. probably for affection. now i don't be with women because it wasn't who i was. i was being lonely, i didn't know how to keep myself
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occupied. so i was with women. >> about being close to somebody, hafb somebody give you love -- even some of the lesbian relationships in here, you know, a lot of females come in here, they have husbands, they have five children at home or whatever, but they come here and they receive love from somebody, you know what i'm saying in they find somebody who they care about. cares about them. coming up, inmates look to their future. >> it will be a whole new world. >> both inside and outside the prison walls. >> doesn't ever want to be part of society. over time, my lashes thinned. after 40, i didn't have enough lashes.
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hi. >> how are you doing? >> doing fine, and you? >> fine. >> good. >> she's the one. >> i would love to have the
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women leave this prison better off than they were when they came in. that is my goal. that is our mission. >> when msnbc visited valley state in 2000, the recidivism rate was 55% despite officials hopes it would decrease. that number has held study. if the trend continues, more than half of these women will come back. >> 24 years old and i've done six months here already and i've come to terms about changing my life and my lifestyle and the friends and people i hang around with, in order not come back to this place. this place is not a bad place, they have a lot to offer you here if you take advantage of the situation. they have school, they have college courses you can take and things like that, get yourself in something positive. >> we can provide the academic programs in the world but the individual who comes through the gates has to be ready to accept
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those programs. has to be ready to say "i need to change who i am and how i live." >> to help give inmate as marketable skill upon release, valley state has 15 vocational programs. from welding, to landscaping, to cosmetology. inmate marlene used to be a drug dealer. >> outside world i ran a lot from the law. sold drugs to get by, you know. it was easy money, instead of i didn't really know too much of doing anything except running the street. and when they came here, they asked me what are you interested in? i said nails, hair. they put knee this program. so it's good. a lot of us that's here really don't know nothing except what we learned to bring ourself here. if we had known a trade or
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something, we might have did that instead of doing what we did to get here. >> at the end of her 10 year sentence, marlene hopes to open a nail shop of her own. >> i'm hoping it will give me a normal life, where i don't have to look over my shoulder and wonder am i coming back. i don't think anybody really thinks about coming to prison and having to stay here. but it's the choices in life that we make that bring us here, hopefully i don't make that same mistake and come back. >> i came in in my very early 20s, i'm pushing in my 40s now, sentence was 15 to life. >> christy camp was convicted of second degree murder. she works in the print shop. she dropped out of school in the 7th grade but earned her high school diploma at valley state before working a vocation. >> will give you a sense of accomplishment, job skills you can incorporate when you leave.
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>> christy has been denied parole multiple types, but she hopes her new skill will make a difference if she leaves valley state. >> when you think about paroling it will be a whole new world. i have been almost 20 years i'm looking forward to residing in a community and being a community-oriented citizen. homeowner, living the american dream like everybody else. so that is what i plan on doing. >> because a large part of the population at valley state is here for drug-related offenses, the substance abuse program remains many inmates only hope. >> good afternoon, family, my name is vanita. put your legs down and relax. >> vanita lee used to be a drug addict herself. today as a counselor she has a unique appreciation the struggles the inmates face. >> i feel like unworthy, but i'm
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working on that right now. >> how has it made you feel when you see other kids with -- other peers with pictures and they are showing pictures and you're not showing pictures of your kids? >> like an emptiness. >> these women are part of walden house, the residential community for substance abusers. today's topics the effect the inmates addiction has had on their families. >> me and my kids don't have like that relationship or that bond that a mother and child supposed to have. >> so right now if you could tell your kids anything, what would you tell them? i would apologize for not being the parent that i was supposed to be. i would tell them i love them very much. i would tell them not to make the same mistakes i did. >> i like to give you a big stroke because you did processing, i want to stroke the ladies that was here for support. it's important we let these
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ladies know that the work that they are doing is very important. because some of these ladies have held this stuff in for 20, 25 years and it's so hard for them to be productive out there in society because they have all this garbage inside, and they finally come to a place where they can release it and be safe about doing it. >> i lost my mother while i was locked up. i'm not real close with my family right now, the trust was lost. >> some of these ladies haven't cried in many years and whether we see the tears, we know it's cleansing them and helping them become that productive member of society. it's very important we hug them, that way they know that they are doing the right thing and it's okay to cry. >> single file. what i want, give me your whole name. >> are you guys ready for your last pat down? >> these women are being paroled. yet despite their hopeful
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smiles, odds are the majority will be back. >> what a parolee leaves with is personal property they have, and generally $200. unless they worked some how and saved money, or have had family or friends that have sent money for their trust account to give them something for a start. but generally it's $200. >> for many, the prospect of leaving valley state on parole doesn't bring hope but fear. for inmates like lorena diaz, a life in prison is all they know. >> i'm scared to get out, you know? i'm scared because i don't know what i'm going to do and i know how different i am now. and it's just -- it's a weird experience. >> i want to be the good girl, become part of society again. part of me doesn't want to be. part of society. >> i think some of them like it
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here. and they get their families, they create their families here, their friends, it's like a reunion, nothing new to them it's their comfort zone. >> it's traumatizing, just to look 19 years down the road i will be eligible for parole, won't be able to collect ssi or any vocation i take now won't be any goodbye the time i'm old enough to parole from here, technology changes every day. i have no idea what half the cars look like let alone a computer. it will be scary. on our trourn return to valley state it was much like the first visit five years earlier. while tll may be new programs, fundamental issues like drug

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