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poverty. and knowing that is kind of a nice way to ease into the weekend. go, go big green indeed. that does it for us tonight. see you again sunday morning on "meet the press." weekends with alex witt starts now. new the morning, the attorney for george zimmerman is talking. will he be charged with a crime? and what's next in the investigation? fight for the big easy. louisiana votes in the gop primary today, but how much will it matter in the bigger battle? talking like "madmen." a new study looks at how people spoke in the 1960s and does the hit tv show really use the language of that era? good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we have new developments to share in the shooting death of trayvon martin. the lawyer for the ad mitted gunman george zimmerman spoke
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out last night. the attorney says he has not talked to his client at the night of the shooting and where the evidence points. >> well, the ultimate issue is that there was some kind of scuffle that took place and there was a gun that was discharged and now there's a gunman dead. so the issue is whether the ultimate issue is, was it self-defense in this case? that's what all the evidence will pull, hopefully it will lead a jury to discover. >> the newly-appointed lead prosecutor says his team is starting with a blank slate. >> we are here to do an investigation. wee will do a thorough investigation. and that's our job. so we would ask that everybody bear in mind that we just got here, we are going to review what we've got, we'll continue the investigation and everybody just needs to take a break a minute and let us do our information. we have only been on it for less than 24 hours and let us proceed. >> it's the first time we are
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hearing zimmerman react since the shooting became a national controversy. in fact, here's a portion of a voice mail who publicly supported him obtained exclus e exclusively by msnbc. >> i want to thank you for everything that you've been doing. i know you don't have to, and i appreciate it, and you're truly setting an example for me for the future of, uh, doing the right thing, even when it's tough. >> new protests are planned today in washington, d.c., california and other locations. organizers asked demonstrators to wear hoodies. alexis is joining me now, i thank you for being here as you have been covering this story on the ground there in florida, do we know where george zimmerman is right now? >> we do george zimmerman is in florida, he's in central florida. when i was down there i spoke to the city mag who told me
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explicitly they know where he is and police have been in communication with him this whole time. this is the first time recorded on record making a statement since the incident with his lawyer coming forward, but the police have been in contact with his lawyer since the incident. >> we heard from zimmerman's attorney, do we know his attorney already and how did he suddenly surface? >> we don't know he had an attorney. we were on the ground looking for zimmerman, every newscast in the country seemed to be there searching doors and going to local bars, doing everything we could. he did a good job of not communicating at all. frank taffy that zimmerman called, someone was talking to a lot of the media outlets, so i'm sure that's how they acquired the information. and he seemed to be in contact with zimmerman. people knew where he was but he was intentionally hiding because he fears for his life. >> understandably so, fwichb the fact you have been on the ground
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covering this case, do you get the sense that police are closer into taking zimmerman into custody, or do you think we'll have to wait for some special prosecutor lead to be taken from there in the case? >> i know angela quarry has explicitly said she doesn't know if she'll have the grand jury indictment of him. he should bring him in at any moment. really interesting case, that body, she's appointed two special attorneys to the case and an additional prosecutor, starting from scratch and they will decide what to do. police in sanford have no state in the matter. the state attorney will decide what will happen. >> is there a timeframe for when that will happen. >> she's starting from ground zero. she's not going to take the previous police investigations further. they would have to stem from
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friday. we'll start with the fist call and the first badges of evidence. they will take as long as they need to to make the determination. >> which begs the question, how much patience do you think the community has left in them? >> i think it is very little patience to be honest with you. i spoke with members of the african-american community when i was there. i went to the 25,000-person rally led by reverend al sharpton. there were people of all colors there. it was a huge demonstration, it was very peaceful, but there was a lot of frustration. and i think people are really just, hungry for some movement on this. it seems very clear that the stand your ground law being brought up again and again as zimmerman is is not applying with his actions does not appear in this case. jeb bush, former governor of the state, said it doesn't apply. it does not apply if this case. if it doesn't apply, i think it is pretty evidence he didn't act in self-defense. that's what zimer man's lawyer
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is claiming and saying, but it doesn't seem to be the case in this instance. it seems unconscionable he's not been brought in. >> that's the cry from around this country and the world. we are getting reaction to this. alek cyst, stay right there. we'll get more details on the investigation from you and also be talking to reverend eugene rivers. we'll get his perspective as well on whether this is another seminole moment in relations in race of america. we'll have that in ten minutes from now. here's the question, are we closer to justice for trayvon talk to me on twitter and facebook. my handle is @alexwitt. to front page politics, it is louisiana, the primary day there for the gop. the polls just opened across the state and will remain open until 9:00 eastern time tonight. the latest poll showed rick santorum in the lead. meanwhile, the secret service is looking into this.
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the secret service wants to identify and question the woman you heard there saying, pretend it's obama while santorum was firing a pistol at the gun range yesterday. santorum was wearing protective earmust haves and he didn't hear the comment. here's his response to reporters. >> i'm so sorry. we are not pretending to shoot pistols -- it's a very horrible remark. >> romney's support among republicans is up to 40%. that's the first time anyone has reached that level in this campaign. santorum is at 26% followed by gingrich and ron paul. jonathan talov, thank you for being here. onthank, i'll bin with you.
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rick santorum has been ahead in the polls there in louisiana. is this a clear victory today? >> it should be. romney was up 14%. santorum is up by that much. gingrich has been sliding a bit. it should be a solid win for him today in louisiana. >> molly, on the heels of that analysis there, if it is a clear victory for santorum, what does that mean going forward? what does that mean for the overall picture? >> i don't think it means a whole lot. i think this thing is kind of winding down and that we've bonn expecting rick santorum to get the victories here and there. it is not news romney had trouble winning over the republican base in these southern states with large evangelical populations and the sort of cultural mismatch he has with the voters. that's well established over the
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course of the primary. for once the romney team has not gotten their hopes up to somehow pull it off. i think they are expecting santorum to win. and in the big picture it's not going to get him enough delegates or any momentum to really affect the contest too much going forward. >> okay. i want to play a statement for all of you that was said by rick santorum making headlines right now. let all take a listen. >> you win by giving people a choice. you win bygying people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone who is just going to be a little different than the person in there. if we were a little different, it will not save us from what we had instead of taking a risk on what could be the etch-a-temperature candidate for the future. >> later on you saw him say he would not vote for president obama over a republican, but is there no walking back of this statement? what does it do to santorum within the gop? >> i think it was a pretty incredible sign of how bad things have gotten in terms of
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how personal it has gotten for rick santorum, the really deep-seeded animosity he feels toward mitt romney. this is not a sort of lofty battle offed ys anymore. this is two guys who really don't like each other. just as telling was the reaction, the blow-back to santorum's comment. conservative commentators and office-holder types were really coming after him saying, okay, you can stay in this thing if you'll play nice. if you'll say stuff like that really damaging to the party, that's crosses the line. >> which actually reflects a lot of why mitt romney would not be his running mate. jonathan, will this have any effect today in louisiana? >> i don't think it will have an effect. the republican electorate in louisiana is about 28% of the conservatives, the kind of choice, not an echo theme is boldly powerful of him.
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and they expect to hear people say thing this case don't quite literally mean. i don't think any average voter in louisiana is going to hold it against rick santorum that he said that. >> okay. let's talk now about what we are hearing for the first time in the campaign trail with reactions to the trayvon case. >> the shooting on trayvorks von is inexplicable. >> there's a difference between standing your group and doing what you're doing. it's a horrible case, chilling to hear what happened. >> it's a tragedy. in that sense, you have to understand how much of a tragedy it is for the young family and the man involved. >> while i talking about the candidates, why haven't i heard much about this. >> i would hate to turn this into a partisan thing.
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i think you have all the candidates on both sides pretty much on the same became, but it's a powerful example of seeing these candidates' ability to connect and emphasize the statement that the president made was so powerful because he had the empathy, talking about his own son, and are republican candidates going to be able to connect with the american people in a general election is a political part of it. >> in case you miswhat had the president, everyone, let's play a statement about his case. >> my main message is to the parents of trayvon martin. you know, if i had a son, he would look like trayvon. >> jonathan, sub us with the thoughts on how the president addressed it so perfectly. >> i think he wanted to get into the situation that he was in with the henry list gates case where, you know, involving the
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it is not just one racial incident, there's a pattern of racism that is perceived by the black community and some people in the media in central florida that's been going on for years. and this incident is the latest in a string of actions. in 2005 someone who was the son of an officer of the sanford police department, he was a homeless black man and was released without being charged. as you can see, this is a very similar incident. of course, trayvon was killed, which is a more treacherous crime, but you have the police letting people go. especially if people have ties to the sanford police department. we can't really say -- he is a neighborhood watch captain and is in connection with the police all the time. he made several 911 calls to police in a short time.
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there is so much involvement between the participants of the neighborhood watch and the police department. there could have been some connection that maybe made people in the police academy believe they were keblgted. maybe that didn't have to do with charging him. >> the police chief, bill lee, has what quelled the concern, is this a step forward? >> people want him to be fired and see him as a coward as the city manager and the mayor to not just have fired him. i think it is great that he's gone but it would be much stronger for the city leaders to just let him go. it is seen as a slap on a wrist. nothing closer than walking -- >> i want to ask you your take on all of this, reverend. what's the most prominent thought in your mind?
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>> the most prominent thought i have is that -- you asked a question, is this racist? of course it is racist. this young boy was killed because he was black. it highlights a very important point, that there's a racial faultline that exists, especially in florida, between the black community, not just afterry cap americans, black people across the board and a white hispanic community. we live in a post-racial error. and if the president was presidential. his remarks were perfect. they were the perfect thing to say during the election year and it highlights the racial fore-fly that this tragedy will not be papered oaf. no question about it. >> i had one analyst suggest to me this could be the emmitt till of this generation. >> yeah. i saw graphics yesterday, it could be.
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listen, this young boy is murdered. the cop is not fired. there's not an arrest. this is absolutely unacceptable. and all people of good will should raise their voices. reverend sharpton was down there, the torrential faultline and they need a home on this. it is treatment black people are subjected to by, in particular, within the context of white/hispanic community. no two ways about it. >> bigger picture here, might this become a seminole moment in race relations. will anyone learn anything from this in the long run? >> the country can learn something. it's a decision -- the president has done a great job at being presidential. there need to be a deeper conversation around race,
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especially within the context of -- let take florida. there's a teachable moment in that and what we do is need to have a real discussion about patterns of behavior and the issue of racial justice as it relates to in particular the community of florida. so this could be pressing and there are issues we can focus on. >> reverend james, thank you so much. alexis, thank you for talking to us. >> thank you. thank you, alexis. show of support goetrayvon's f. "weekends with alex witt" continues.
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ron allen is live from florida with the latest developments from there. >> reporter: there is now an attorney who says he represents george zimmerman and is speaking out on his behalf. he says zimmerman still maintains he acted in self-defense that night and says his client is under a lot of stress, well aware of the national outrage and the demands for his arrest. here's what he said last night on anderson cooper's show on cnn. >> well, the ultimate issue is that there was some kind of scuffle that took place and there was a gun that was discharged. and now there's a young man dead. so the issue is whether it will be self-defense. that's what all the evidence will hopefully lead a jury to discover. >> well, a lot of people hope this goes to a jury.
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of course, at this point, people here are demanding an arrest. they can't imagine why zimmerman was allowed to go by the police. but, of course, we heard all the protests across the country. we have not heard anything from zimmerman himself, except for this phone message he left with a neighbor, a fell he crime watch volunteer recorded by msnbc's "dateline" sunday. here's some of that. >> i wanted to thank you for everything you've been doing. um, i know you don't have to, and i appreciate it. and you're truly setting an example for me for the future of, uh, just doing the right thing even when it's tough. >> reporter: zimmerman is still in hiding. his attorney said he's very much aware of death threats against him and he's advised his client to keep a low profile. he and his family, all of them, they have no idea where they are. his attorney gave no hint but
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said he's somewhere in the area and is cooperating with authorities presumably doing interviews as this investigation continues. alex? >> okay, how about this weekend, do you expect any new news to come from the investigation? >> reporter: we are all trying to track down the attorney to understand a bit more on what zimmerman's side of the story is. for the past month now, we have heard very little of that, except from the sanford police, who have released reports and statements that zimmerman made early on in the investigation. but to hear that side of the story is very different because at this point there's a very live perception and feeling that zimmerman attacked, pursued, trayvon martin. his attorney is saying the opposite as the police have said. any information on that and part of the investigation, that side of the story, would be very unlikely. alex? >> thank you so much for that, ron. meanwhile, still more marches in support of trayvon's family. this march took place in
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philadelphia on friday with many people wearing hoodies and shouting for justice. then students in dallas, texas, rallied at the college there carrying bags of skittles. nba superstar lebron james tweeted a photo of the miami heat standing in solidarity with trayvon's family. the team has joined the race for justice in the case. >> a lot of us are fathers of young boys and if it was me in that position, i would just chill out. it's i justice right now. >> in addition to that picture of their heads bowed with hoodies, last night several members of the miami heat wrote messages of support for trayvon's family on their sneakers. let's go to office politics, we talked to the founder of grio.com, david wilson, who tells us why this trayvon martin story is reverberating across the country.
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>> this story hits a nerve with african-americans because, i think, every african-american knows someone, even if it is not themselves, who they say, that could be me or that could be my son. that could be my daughter. i wear hoodies on the weekend. and god forbid if i was in sanford at the time. you could throw away, my college education, the fact that i've worked hard to be a good honest american. that would have all been thrown away because some guy would have seen me as suspicious and would have chased me down and shot me like a dog. and i think that that's why it resonates so strongly with african-americans. any one of us could have been treyvon martin. when you have a story will that, it is powerful. >> how did this become such a huge national issue? is this thanks to social media? >> i think there's a lot of
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elements, social media, the story just started, you know, really it just started to get off the ground with support. the parents have also been very, very much on top of this. you know, i met them yesterday, and they were very aware. they seemed to have gotten very media savvy quickly. and they attorney has been extremely vigilant and they have been extremely dedicated to this cause. and they also recognize that they're representing something bigger than themselves. that they are representing so many voiceless african-american parents who are still trying to figure out what happened with their children and why certain things aren't coming to justice. so i think they are the force behind this, and i think that you can expect to see a lot more fight in them. >> if this proves to be a racially motivated issue, the 911 calls, the way the police
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respond to all of that, what does this say about the bigger picture in this country? >> i would imagine anyone reading in the history books 50 years from now, looking at america today, i think they will be confused after the fact that we have been able to elect an african-american president but we have not found the way to prevent a young black man just walking down the street with a pack of skittles in his hand and a bottle of iced tea, from being chased down and gunned down, america has been an issue in that the weakness sometimes is taking one step forward and two steps back. i think we have a long way to go. >> you bring up president obama, which what i will never forget is grant park on election night, and seeing the tears on so many faces. tears of joy at that incredible
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accomplishment. is there a sense of that whole hope and change thing, it didn't work, or is it not necessarily working the way you had hoped? >> i don't think anyone was so naive to believe because president obama was elected that life will be grand and 100% racial harmony. we did feel that it marked a new day, and i still do believe that, that the majority of u.s. voters were able to elect the african-american man as president. >> our conversation with david continues today at 1:30. we'll continue about race and politics as well as his own eye-opening search for his family roots. you can read work by david and his team of reporters and contributors at thegrio.com. our coverage of the treyvon martin case will continue in a discussion with chris hayes. voters are at the polls already in louisiana. the gop primary is underway.
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20 of the state's 46 delegates are up for stake today and will be awarded proportionally. newt gingrich was in louisiana on friday and told reporters he's staying in the race, even though he recognizes he won't win enough delegates to become the republican nominee. >> this is ether going to be romney or an open convention. santorum won't get to 1144, i'm not getting to 1144, ron paul is not getting to 1144. >> mitt romney spent friday laying out his plans for replacing obama's affordable health care act. two years to the day president obama signed that bill into law. we'll be following the primary all day long bringing you analysis and primetime special with my colleague tonight at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. pope again ticket is in mexico this morning. he landed and was greeted by mexico's president, felipe caldron and the first lady. good morning to you on the early part of theyou.
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>> reporter: good morning. it's been a very interesting 24 hours here in mexico. the pope arrived yesterday afternoon. as you say, he was met by the president of this country, but then when he went to where he's staying overnight, and he's still resting at this hour mexico time, he saw 21-mile human wall, many standing for days, just for the opportunity to see the pope and the pope mobile passing by. the pope this morning will have a private mass. then, alex, later this afternoon he'll have a private meeting. this is the first time the two leaders will meet and the first time the pope arrives to mexican territory. he will speak 20 feet behind me in a balcony here in the incredibly historic city of
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guana. it will be an ending tomorrow. he has a mass, about 650,000 people are expected to attend. >> that's incredible. one thing he did call for was for people to not place so much emphasis, which he believes leads to the tremendous drug war and the drug culture there in mexico. do you expect him to expand on that? >> certainly people are hoping he speaks out about a lot of the issues that people here in mexico are dealing with on a daily basis. remember over the past five years, 50,000 people have died as a consequence of the drug war. a lot of people point out in this country, here in mexico, that a lot of that blood is due to the fact that the drug cartels exist in order to --
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there are a lot of people here that want the pope to speak about about that issue. also, there's been a controversy here because of the legionaires of christ. the church has history of child abuse. the pope has made very clear that he's not going to be speaking about certain issues. but he is going to talk on the need for people in this country and throughout the spanish-speaking world to kind focus more on faith and less on faith and money and capital goods. >> okay. well, thank you, you are right where many eyes around the world are focused today. thank you so much. good to see you. up next, the return of "mad men" and why the characters have to watch what they are going to say. say what? ♪
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after a 17-month wait, "mad men" returns for the fifth season tomorrow night. more iconic than the smoke-tinged pitches and the gray flannel suits is the snappy dialogue at times antiquated but always elegant. >> i think it behooves any man to -- >> we have gossip, busted with people's thoughts. >> it just costs more. >> we can't shoot at them. >> we live in troubling times. >> we do? who could not be happy with all this? >> just how realistic is the language of "mad men"? they take a historical look at one of the most carefully produced shows on television. benjamin schmidt is a graduate fellow at harvard's cultural observatory as well as a student in history at princeton. welcome, benjamin, thanks for
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being here. >> hi, thank you for having me on. >> interesting article, other than the use of espresso beans instead of regular coffee beans, which would have been more known in the '60s. as you get to the research of the article, how much of a "mad men" fan are you? >> i love the show. i've been watching it since the beginning. i'm critical here, but i don't want to credit ice it too much. >> okay. get a little critical in terms of the accuracy. >> well, so it turns out it is very hard to write in the language of the past, a lot of stuff has changed in the last 50 years, and it is stuff we don't necessarily notice with our ears. and there are a lot of phrase that is "mad men" gets wrong, stuff entered in more recently, and particularly in areas like business, with which the writers of "mad men" may not be as fluent in themselves. the modern business language of the show. we talk about things like
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leveraging, things like signing off on, they talk about evening the playing field and keeping a low profile. all those are phrases that were extremely rare in the early 1960s. >> yeah, little distinct things, signing bonus as opposed to bonus for signing. that's tough to try to look at the language of the scripts and look at the difference. i mean, that's such a subtle difference there. >> yes. they are extremely small problems in the ones that i found, in the way the language changes in very something ways you wouldn't necessarily notice if you don't use a computer program. >> now talk to me about that computer program. what's that about? where did you find that? >> so i am a graduate cultural observer from harvard, and a few years ago they collaborated with google. google created them and they built up a database of about 4
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million oaths over the last 200 years. and i just used the database that we have and ran all of the scripts of to see what was possibly akronistic compared to the language that was actually used in the books of the 1960s. and that compared, as well, to tv shows from the 1960s. it wasn't something special about books that kept them from having dialogues. >> it's absolutely fascinating for a fan like us -- fans like i, i should say. i'm sure we will enjoy listening at the premier of a new season. thank you so much. thank you for joining us. a big time delegate deficit. but can rick sanorum overcome it? next. we take our showers with it. we make our coffee with it. but we rarely tap its true potential and just let it be itself.
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open right now. it is the latest primary battleground for the gop nomination.
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20 of the bayou state's 46 delegates are at stake. mitt romney has an easy lead in the current delegate count. join me as nbc news senior political editor mark murray. so when do you think mitt romney can get the 1144 delegates needed to secure the race. >> if mitt romney ends up winning all the delegates that are in stake at all of the different contests, he really won't cross that imagine gal number of 1144 delegates until may 29th. that's the texas primary. so essentially, two months from now. if you actually say that mitt romney is going to win a 60/40 split of all of the delegates, he won't cross that 1144 mark until june 26th. but if you think they're going to trade contests like we've seen them do over the past month and a half, there is, according
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to our math, that mitt romney isn't going to reach that 1144 mark. that's our challenge. he has the delegate lead. but when he actually wraps up that magical number, it won't be for quite a while. he might not even do it after the last primary on june 26th. >> it looks like newt gingrich was crunching the math just like you were. you heard him say mitt romney may not get to the convention. >> well, right. and so that's -- that's the challenge for newt gingrich. actually the challenge for rick santorum. they might say this may not be wrapped up until the convention, but mitt romney has a very substantial lead right now. this comes down to math versus perception. and rick santorum is the favorite tonight. the perception is going to be mitt romney is a front runner,
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even though he may not reach the 1144 number for quite a while. those are the two themes going on, perception versus math. >> what has been the fall out with rick santorum talking about instead of voting for him, maybe you should just stick with what he had in president obama? >> he got quite a bit of blow back from that comment. that all came in context with he described mitt romney as an etch-a-sketch republican. they say, look, anyone would be better than president obama, any republican would be. so that's the reason he walked it back. >> thanks so much. that is a wrap of this hour. be sure to join me for a two-hour edition of the show today at eastern.
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