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intellectual exercise going forward, is it not? >> rick santorum. >> press secretary. >> it is bull. >> here we go, yo ♪ ♪ . >> we begin with the race for 2012 and mitt romney's tin ear on full display in this week of high-stakes political and legal debate. indeed, the so-called godfather of healthcare mandates was trying to keep as far away as possible from the supreme court hearing that just wrapped up, traveling all the way to california to escape. it was there on the tonight show with jay leno that the tin mitt managed to sing once again his favorite tune, if i only had a heart, healthcare version. >> children and people with preexisting conditions should be covered. >> as long as you have been continuously insured, you ought to be able to get insurance going forward. >> what if they were never

insured. >> if they're 45 and show up and say i want insurance because i have heart disease, hey, guys, we can't play the game like that. >> the words let the sick go bankrupt, that's a fun game, isn't it? here is another fun game. who said romney's hard line on russia smells of hollywood and the former governor should check his watch? that would be russian president dimit dimitri. >> they are turning into us. they're more like us than people we perceive as our enemies, aren't they? >> i don't want to call the russians our someone like us exactly, the russian people, certainly are people like us, but you have vladimir putin and med rev and city stand up for the world's worst actors. >> standing up for the world's worth actors, that does smell like hollywood.

what does hollywood smell like? swimming pools, spray tans, i know, it is the new car smell in a car elevator. it is certainly to crime to be rich enough to put an elevator for your car in one of your many homes and we do know that mitt romney loves his cars. >> i love cars. i love cars. i grew up totally in love with cars. i love cars. i love american cars, and long may they rule the world. >> i drive a mustang and a chevy pickup truck, and ann drives a couple of cadillacs actually. >> that's right, two cadillacs for ann, a couple of cars for matt. you have to stack them somehow. it is the kind of thing that can make voters not like you very much and unfortunately for mitt, that's the finding of a new poll, romney viewed unfavorably by half of adults, only 34% have positive impressions compared to 53% that view the president positively. so with seven months to the general election, there is bad news for mitt and more bad news

in the form of battle ground states. in a new poll today the president leads romney 49 to 42% in florida, 47 to 41% in ohio, and 45 to 42% in pennsylvania. urgent message to mitt. in more than 50 years no man has won the white house without carrying at least two of those three states with or without a four-car elevator. our political panelist here to kick things off in washington, karen finnie, now columnist for the hill and in sanford, florida, contributor joanne reed, the managing editor for the grio.com and steve, senior writer and, karen, notwithstanding the fact that romney is the founding father of healthcare reform, he manages to suggest that an uninsured patient with heart disease is somehow playing a game.

now, we know he let detroit go bankrupt. is he now saying let those with heart disease expire? >> it sure sounds that way, but remember, martin, he is the godfather of obama care which is not sound very godfatherly that you would let people die. what's interesting about the way he talks about this and why he seems so disconnected is it is as if this idea of healthcare is some limited resource that only some people can have access to and the other is, well, if they don't have access to it, oh, well, we won't play that game. what does that even mean exactly? >> we're talking about 50 million americans, aren't we? >> yes, we are, absolutely. >> steve, given that romney is literally the cream of the top 1% of the country, assets around 250 million, he can't remember how much, wouldn't it actually be in his interests to support the idea of healthcare coverage for everyone, at least it would give the impression that he is

compassionate? >> right now the big problem is he is not the republican presidential nominee yet. he is close to winning the nomination. he is likely to win the nomination. if he were to come out and say after all of this i am for the mandates and for what obama is doing, there goes rick santorum back in the game. there is that. i would also say this. i think republicans, they're not unnecessarily unfavorable playing field right now on the issue of healthcare because what they succeeded somewhat in doing the last few years is basically making obama care something different than the component parts. when you poll the question you see the component parts are actually quite popular, things like the preexisting condition provision. >> and covering your children up to the age of 26. >> when you ask people what you think of obama care or the healthcare law passed in 2010, what republicans have succeeded doing is making it a synonym for big government and people have a lot of hostility and suspicion towards government and not connected to the reality of what the law is. >> and yet, joanne, three of the top ten metropolitan areas with the highest number uninsured are

in florida where you are. we know it is crucial swing state, yet for all the criticism of the affordable care act, where is republicans plan on how to solve the problem of the uninsured? >> right. therein lies the dilemma for republicans. the biggest victory they could get is if the supreme court were to strike down the individual mandate or bring down obama care and the problem would be then you tell people already having their children up to 26 years old on their insurance, sorry, that can't be done, and then you have to explain that insurance companies can once again discriminate against the sick and then you have to explain how you will cover the 30 million people who do not have health occasion. we're going to reenter that debate and republicans don't have a good answer for any of that except the ron paul libertarian answer, sorry, but you're just going to have to die. that's not where they want to be. >> we know that healthcare is a larger issue for women voters and that's exactly where we see mitt romney facing some of his

steepest deficits to the prosecutest in florida and these other swing states. that's not a coincident, is it. >> not only are they the biggest consumers of healthcare for themselves, the family, taking the children but they're the ones mostly taking care of elderly parents. it is a huge issue in florida. look at the number. go back and look at the number, 49 to 42 for president obama. this state has about 42% democratic, 38% republican. that mean that is president obama is doing really well among independents in florida who truly are the swing vote here, about 1 in 5 voters, and healthcare is 50/50 with people here in florida. it is not like 70% are against obama care, it is really more like half. >> i hate to say this but you have have been saying all along the biggest kos to republicans is ultimately going to be women and there are the statistics to prove it. >> absolutely. i keep saying be nice, you know, we will pay attention on election day. look, here is the other problem that i want to bring into this

conversation for mitt. what are we basically talking about? we're talking about a gaffe he made, whether it is a car elevator or it is the fact that he thinks that people who don't have health insurance, if they have a heart problem, oh, well, so much for you. what that means is and last week they spent all of their time having to clean up the etch-a-sketch mess. it is not surprising we're seeing president obama continue to fall back in the polls because he is not and simply not getting any message out and other than i have to relax where as you have president obama out there and talking about the economy and talking about jobs and you have vice president biden out there talking about manufacturing and this is a real problem for the romney campaign. again, the self inflicted wounds that they continue to make. >> indeed. steve, just as we draw the session to the a close, newt gingrich has been in the news. he slashed his team by a third and he has no money.

how long will it be before someone like larry flint offers him ten grand to pose topless? not a bad idea. he needs the money. >> he is now rj whiching $50 if you want your picture taken. i guess at this point the question is how many people are even going to come to a newt gingrich event where we have the opportunity to do that. the interesting thing that's happened to newt gingrich in the last few weeks is we're saying when will he get out, take the hint? it is becoming an irrelevant question because the people have gone away. the voters are not supporting him in the polls, not in the primarying anymore, the money is not coming in. the media coverage is evaporating. it is irrelevant whether he stays in the race or not. now he is being treated as a non-candidate. >> larry flint, over to you. thank you all for joining us. stay tuned. we'll have much more ahead. >> rick santorum is a good guy. he is running a good campaign. we have differences in background and differences on some issues, but basically a good guy, and i am happy with

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the truth about the trayvon martin case is that an innocent teenager was shot to death and his shooter is walking free today. there is even one report that suggests the lead investigator recommended that george zimmerman be charged on the night of the incident. others have gone down a different path choosing to blame the victim, reaching for the most redundant black stereo types in the process. when it emerged that trayvon was

under suspension when he was shot, glen beck's the blaze offered almost 50 crimes that could have warranted the punishment including sexual battery, homicide, and without any irony, a hate crime. then fox news contributor keith ablow disgusted with the president's remarks that if he had a son he would look like trayvon. >> if the president had a son he wouldn't look anything like trayvon martin. he would be wearing a blaze from her a prep school. he would be driving a beamer, and he would be surrounded by secret service for that matter. >> the difference for ablow is that obama's son would look safe. back with us, karen finny, joanne reed and steve konacki. >> joanne, are you reporting new developments on this case. what are they? >> what we earn learned since we have been down here is the decision not to charge george zimmerman was not made by the police department. it was made by the actual state

attorney whachlt we learned is the state attorney in charge of this county, mr. wolfinger, came to the scene or to the police station the night of the shooting and in consultation with the police chief and the head of investigations overruled the lead investigator, the lead homicide investigator in the case and said that there was not enough information to charge zimmerman and therefore they cut him loose. we know there were other things, forensic examination and took zimmerman back to the scene to do a reenact meant of what happened and ultimately let him go. that is at the doorstep of the state attorney. >> they didn't take his clothes. they didn't examine them for signs of blood or any kind of injury, did they? >> now that's in question. the orlando sentinel reported that in fact they did take zimmerman's clothing, that they did take them for later examination. i think what's also significant here in addition to the fact they apparently did take his gun as well, so that is misinformation that's out there. what's significant is the state attorney initially took the case when police cycled up to his

office. he didn't refuse to take it despite apparently having made the ka you will to let zimmerman go. he ultimately recused himself and now there is a question of whether had he kept it would there have been a thorough investigation, would that grand jury have resulted in an indictment. now it is out of his hands. he recused himself and angela cory has been appointed to take care of the case at the state level. >> karen, aren't some sections of the media attempting in death to miss characterize this young man's personality as george zimmerman appeared to do so in his life when he assumed that trayvon martin was a troublemaker and a delinquent? >> well, absolutely. ironically, i suppose, people want that to fit the narrative, right, in the same way that zimmerman saw this young man in this community and something in his head said that seems out of place to me. folks, online or going crazy, again trying to revert to a lot of the same stereo types, and

the interesting thing, they're accusing sort of us of jumping to conclusions rather than sort of listening to the facts. on the tape it is very clear that george zimmerman had some kind of stereo type in his mind that suggests that this young man was out of place, and the problem we have, i think two pieces to this really, and joanne really gets at it. on the one hand there is what was going on with george zimmerman and what really happened and what's emerging is this second piece in terms of how the police handled it, this legal case, and whether or not there are more instances in which there was police misconduct. >> indeed. joanne, there are reports that a now defungt twitter account is that of trayvon's and the lawyer says that's not so. regardless, conservative david hansen is using the tweets as proof of a criminal mindset. however, it is a little wayne quote. if quoting lil wayne is a criminal activity, how many

white suburban teenagers should be locked up now? >> yeah. there are a majority of lil wayne listeners, mostly listened to by young white males. there has been other attempts and egregious things, posting photos online said to be trayvon martin that aren't him and really trying to as one of our writers wrote to thugify him and say away the sympathetic portrait of him. i lived in new york when gu lan i was the mayor and there was a shooting of a guy who was shot by an undercover officer and next thing you know, we saw his juvenile records and the idea being rather than investigate the conduct of the officers or mr. zimmerman, we'll smear the victim to make the other person look more sympathetic. it is really ugly. i think that's where we're going with some on the right. >> i think we would agree with that. the right is even bringing back some other stereo types and can the report in the cove every conservative collar said the white house only jumped in following demands by the new

black panthers and others on the scene. the impression i got is the president was extremely reluctant to discuss the matter. if you look at his tenure as president, he is very rarely entered into matters where race has been an issue. >> yeah. i don't think the new black panther party had anything to do with the statement that barack obama gave the other day. i think what you are getting at there, though, is reality is certain voices on the right, a determination made when barack obama first came to the national stage a few years ago that we know he is really a black radical. it really didn't matter what he said or did after that, everything was going to be crammed into some to fit that narrative. with he saw this with the blockbuster video from harvard from 20 years ago that i think bright bar site had been working o the smoking gun about the secret black radicalism and you see it again when you see a story like that, the reality is obama learned this, it does not take much to set these guys off. when he weighed in on the henry lewis gates thing a couple years

ago and the arrest by the cambridge police, he really paid a severe price in the court of public opinion i think probably regrettably but reflected itself in the delay it took to say anything about this and weighing in i think in a very, very sort of muted way in a lot of regards. >> indeed. we'll have more on the trayvon martin case later, but for now thank you so much, joanne reed in florida, karen finnie in dc. and steve here in new york. coming up, the day's top lines. >> did you ever think that we would be talking about porn, i mean, with all the other things in this election. >> i didn't know we were talking about porn. >> we're not talking about porn. rick santorum was talking about porn. you and i are talking about porn back stage. [ artis brown ] america is facing some tough challenges right now. two of the most important are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create

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>> how much of your expectations were peaked by what you saw today. >> triple. it was great. >> great stuff there. over to colonel jack jacobs. i just said 1 million are unemployed right now. we'll see even more in the coming years as the wars wind down. what should they be thinking about? >> employers in particular ought to forget the preconceived notions about veterans. they're skilled and they have more authority and responsibility at the age of 20 than most executives have at the age of 40. they have skills and capabilities way out of proportion to their age. they are really the cream of the crop, the best the united states has to offer. >> thank you very much, colonel. martin, when we take a look at the show now you can see they're closing down for about 20 minutes but as was said the expectations have tripled, quadrupled by these employers. >> encouraging. richard lui, live on the uss intrepid. stay with us.

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>> you don't really have much money. you can't win. so it really is an intellectual exercise. >> we're going to have to go on fairly tight budget. >> newt gingrich said he is not backing out of the gop race. when gingrich backs out, you usually hear this. >> kentucky frieds chicken, mcdonalds and love cars. >> the russian people certainly are people like us, but you have vladimir putin, basically stand up for the world's worst actors. >> i think it is appropriate that people not be critical. >> number one enemy, it is very reminiscent of hollywood. >> it is pg-13. is it too violent for young kids? >> this whole thing was a set up to nail romney on whether or not he is a responsible grandpa? it was a pg-13 movie, not a rave. >> it is none of your business. >> donald trump. >> huge. >> my net worth is many times mitt romney. >> rick santorum. >> press secretary.

>> it is bull. >> come on, man, what are you doing? >> i think the real santorum mighting more bad than we realize. i am beginning to think they started out as sweaters and he rips the arms off. >> things like children and people with preexisting conditions should be covered. >> as long as you have been continuously insured, you ought to be able to get insurance. >> suppose they were never. >> if they're 45 years old and show up and say i want insurance because i have heart disease, hey, guys, we can't play the game like that. >> let's bring in our two expert guests now, chief washington correspondent john harwood and julian epstein. and a democratic strategist. julian, haven't the last three days at the supreme court proven once and for all that for all its claims of i am pashlt although and non-political decision making it is

idealogical as congress with the prospect of a 5-4 decision and 75% of americans think it will be a political decision in june. >> no, i don't think the last three days have shown that. i think your point that the public approval of the supreme court has gone down ever since the bush v gore case and citizens united and i think it is weighing heavily on the justices. to your question, i think it is being cord like a sporting match right now. the conventional wisdom that predicts this will go down 5-4 and that healthcare will be over turned 5-4 is about as reliable as my ncaa brackets are. i mean, the fact of the matter is trying to read where the justices are going to be in terms of their question is consistently wrong. as was pointed out by a former clerk of just kennedy, everyone thought he was going to take a position upholding the juvenile death penalty when in fact he wrote the majority opinion opposing it. if you listen to the questions of roberts and alito. i think they're in play right now. it is hard for many he to understand how given that esteemed republicans like

charles frooed and lawrence silverman, big republican thinkers who said clearly this is within the commerce clause and that free writers do not have an impact on interstate commerce given they know they cost this country at least 116 billion a year, all of us $1,000 in premiums, seems to be a really hard circle to square given the previous supreme court precedence in this area. i think it is very much in play. >> john, i want to play a clip from just roberts at the hearing today on the mandate. take a listen to this. >> without the mandate the whole thing falls apart and we're going to bear greater costs and so the rest of the law should be struck down. that's a whole other line of litigation. >> john, he suggests without the mandate you have to throw it all out to deal with the costs, but given the way that republicans have made repealing the affordable care act the election drum beat, what is their idea for dealing with the conundrum

of 350 million people all of whom will some day require healthcare? >> the republican prescription for some time has been market forces, have been providing tax incentive, letting people do it on their own and not through government structures, and there has been an ebb and flow of those arguments and as you know when hillary clinton and bill clinton proposed health reform something like the obama plan, what republicans offers as the alternative, the goal posts have shifted over time, and like julian i think it is not certainty where this decision is going to go, and i think one of the interesting things about it is the political and policy outcomes could be entirely different. democrats had a policy victory and political defeat in 2010 on healthcare and they could get precisely the reverse this time and if in fact you do get the result that you mentioned, that is a 5-4 republican justice decision against this law, there will be a tremendous mobilization effect on democrats who will say we need barack

obama to be there for another term because we need another supreme court justice to change that majority result. >> right. julian, newt gingrich has spent much of the campaign condemning activist judges and saying that he would have them arrested, but shouldn't gingrich be calling for john roberts to be arrested if this individual mandate issue goes the same way of citizens united? >> yeah, well, republican legal thinking here has had about as many positions as mitt romney has. think about this. the conservative position is the government is fully within its right to require trance vaginal ultrasound as a condition for abortion. they do not think that the government has any business imposing a penalty on free writers who take advantage of a guarantee of healthcare and don't get insurance until they're sick and then force the rest of to us pay for it. it seems to me to be a little bizarre reasoning. the conservatives on the supreme court upheld decisions like you can't grow medical marijuana for purely medical purposes in your

backyard. that affects the interstate commerce clause of the constitution yet the free rider position in the healthcare bill does not. it is full of contradictions. again, if you look at the court has at least since the lopez decision in 1995 a long range of precedence here which is why you hear people like charles freed, reagan's solicitor general saying and lawrence silverman saying that this is more than well within the interstate commerce clause, so i think republicans have a lot of explaining to do on the legal side as well as john said they have no answers with respect to what they do on healthcare. >> i am afraid we have run out of time. thanks so much for joining us this afternoon. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. >> i am running for president. i have a set of ideas for running for president. the front-runner for president does not have a 345 jort. i have no incentive to get out because i have a set of ideas that include $2.50 gas, so i

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congress created the problem. and if our legislators get on the ball, they can make the right decisions. trayvon martin's parents were able to bring their distress and frustration over the death of their son to the halls of congress tuesday. our next guest was a participant in that forum. joining us, sheila jackson lee of texas. good afternoon, ma'am. >> good to talk with you, martin. how are you this afternoon? >> i am well. did you hear yourself anything offensive in the president's public comments on trayvon martin because a number of people are appaplectic over it not newt gingrich who referred to him as the food stamps pregs, was it offensive so simply mention the fact if he had a son it would be likely he would look like trayvon martin? >> martin, quite the contrary. as i stand here, again, i offer

my sympathy, deepest sympathy as a parent to trayvon's parents. that's how the president spoke as a chief parent in residence to all parents, to all americans, and it is baffling how the interpretation for those running for the presidency of the united states really even have time to dabble in such hi proc increase. when we had the hearing yesterday spooeker boehner had a quote that i thanked him that said it was a tragedy and he knows that the state and the federal government are investigating, a simple statement. we have to heal this nation. this was a tragedy and this was all based on botched actions, unfortunately, by some of those, some of those in the sanford police department. >> you say that the nation needs to heal. yet, this young man now deceased, there appears to be a full scale attempt at character

assassination. i mean, what does any suspension from school have to do with the fact that george zimmerman chose to confront and then shoot him and this against the advice of the dispatcher? >> martin, i wonder if we can have a hand raising and poll ceos and members of congress, presidents, and find out whether they had any moment of suspension or being in the corner during their career as a student, as a child. this young man was a child and in fact no evidence of juvenile delinquency, no arrests, and no evidence that anything was awry with the so-called items that were found. he was a kid. yes, as a male child, a black boy, and i will frankly say, there is a challenge in the survival of black boys in this country and latino boys and minority boys, and so these parents, working parents, worked

so hard to ensure this young man had an opportunity. that was no reason for his death. this is character assassination. wouldn't we do better to spend more time leaking the truth, meaning leaking the facts of why we didn't initiate an arrest in the first place, which did not and would not result in a conviction? an arrest is evidence there is confusion, a man is dead, a young man, a child is dead, and there is no serious evidence to suggest that he needed to die. he was not in the act of any criminal activity. he was on a sidewalk, martin, and every citizen in this country is allowed under the constitution, the first amendment in fact, to walk freely in this nation. >> indeed. finally and briefly if i may, do you believe, are you confident, that with the pressure that's being applied on the authorities that there may yet be at least an arrest of the man who shot and killed this 17-year-old boy? >> well, i hope that those who

are listening viewing this program do not start shouting out and tainting the case, absolutely there should be an arrest, and frankly, the state attorney, sadly, has now come into a case where so much evidence, martin, has been lost. clothing, no alcohol tests taken or drug tests taken, no dna evidence. this is all in the public domain. they will have to reconstruct the case based upon the mismatch of witness's testimony. there are witnesses that say this is what happened to trayvon, they saw the perpetrator, mr. zimmerman, standing over him. there is a girlfriend who says he was walking, so she will have to construct the case, and i believe that there is sufficient basis for at least a preliminary hearing. that's what you have after you're arrested and the gentleman may bond out. he should be arrested. what would we say if it was the other shoe, the shoe on the

other foot and it was mr. martin, young mr. martin? these parents have lost their baby. there are parents across america that lost their child and they beg for the justice system to work for them as it works for others. >> indeed. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back. ops miss? you'd spot movement, gather intelligence with minimal collateral damage. but rather than neutralizing enemies in their sleep, you'd be targeting stocks to trade. well, that's what trade architect's heat maps do. they make you a trading assassin. trade architect. td ameritrade's empowering, web-based trading platform. trade commission-free for 60 days, and we'll throw in up to $600 when you open an account.

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just a short time ago the supreme court concluded its three days of oral argument about the constitutionality of the patient protection and affordable care act. although the administration has sought to defend this landmark legislation, could it actually work in the president's favor if the supreme court rules against it? james carville is a former advisor to president clinton and a man that knows something about healthcare fights himself. here is his take. >> didn't over turn this 5-4 and the republican party will own the healthcare system for the foreseeable future. i really believe that. >> congressman john yarmouth is a democrat from kentucky and a

member of the budget ways and means committee. good afternoon, sir sgr hello, martin. >> after spending the better part of a year getting this passed it is now possible the white house is it now possible white house may benefit from the court ruling if it comes out as finding it to be unconstitutional. >> that would be a tragedy for the american people and i know thousands of people in my district would be very upset. the thousands of parents who have kids with juvenile diabetes and asthma and so forth who were so relieved that their kids would never have to worry about getting insurance the rest of their lives. there would be a severe push back on this. but politically, yeah, i think it would benefits democrats. there are a lost people who receive the benefits of the affordable care act and regret losing it. the women who believed they would never be discriminated against an preemups in the market and many, many more. more than that i think you see pretty rapidly return to the

situation we had before the healthcare reform act was passed where premiums were going up, 15, 20, 25% a year. businesses were screaming, please do something. i can't afford to maintain coverage. they will drop employee coverage again as they were doing and continue to do. i think it would be a disaster politically for republicans the supreme court overturns the law. >> you refer to your own state, and indeed i was checking and over 650,000 without health insurance including over 85,000 in your own district. i mean, what will it mean for states like yours if this law is simply overturned? >> again, it is going to be a human disaster. because these people will now, under the affordable care act. of them will be covered by commanded medicaid and they will be back out in the cold which means our emergency rooms will continue to be flooded with people who don't have insurance. it will raise the cost of

keeping all of those operations alive. it will put more strains on local and state budgets. it'll be a disaster. >> now you have challenged senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, also from kentucky, to a debate over healthcare because you say he is misleading the public about the esh u. he likes it talk critically about the administration. do you think he will accept your invitation? >> oh, i doubt it. but what we've done with them, he rope an ad, publiced an ad in the louisville last week and in the lexington paper and he basically misstates facts about the impact of affordable care act talking about, saying the average family with pay $2100 more. no. the cvo says the average family would have a reduction in premiums of 7 to 10%. talks about businesses saying they weren't going to hire because of the affordable care act. that's not true. they did a poll of businesses

who said they weren't going to hire people. when asked why, most said because they didn't need employees. some talk about healthcare cost but they didn't mention the afrdable healthcare act. he is very cleaver. uses data that spins it in a way that's very misleading. i would love to be on the platform with him and challenge him. >> i would love to do that myself. thank you. and very quick answer, who are you rooting for in the final four this weekend? >> well i'm a cardinal fan with. so we've got to a very, very battle going with uk and unl, i'm a cardinal fan but i will root for which ever kentucky school makes it. >> reasonable choice. thank you. >> thanks, martin. >> we'll be back it clear the air. [ horns honking ]

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air. and to compound the tragedy of trayvon martin. it feels as though some people are now trying to do to him in death what george zimmerman apparently did to him in life. attributing to this young man a character and a personality that they could not possibly know. and yet they persist in imposing upon his slight young frame an adenty that includes criminality, juvenile dilink wincy and a troublemaker. this is a gross form of character assassination upon a child, a dead child. stories of now being carefully fed to certain sections of the media. that trayvon was suspended from school after his bag was found to contain marijuana residue. that he once wrote graffiti on school ground. wow. he was part after stolen jewelry investigation on school ground that resulted in no charges. and to top it all, the greatest

fact of social criminality for a kid of color, that he may have worn gold teeth. wow, call the police. even if these petty incidents were true, what on earth do they have to do with fact that george zimmerman shot and killed him? but let's compare trayvon martin with the history of another man, only this one committed some real offenses under all of them after his 17th birthday. when this individual was 20, he was arrested for disorderly conduct after he got drunk and stole a christmas wreath from a hotel. so that's drunk, disorderly, and theft. charges were later dropped. when he was 26, he took out his 16-year-old brother on an underage drinking spree. he lost control of his car hitting a garbage can but continued driving. when he was 30 he was arrested an found gilly of driving under the influence of alcohol. his driving license was

suspended for two years even though his friends tried to say it was just 30 days. now does this brief history make him a social retch of criminal with no regard for other road usesers? a drunk, a disgraceful influence upon young people, including his own 16-year-old brother? what do you call him? scum of the earth? hoodlum? criminal? in fact, america ended up calling him the 43rd president of the united states. george w. bush. but that's not what they call trayvon martin. instead, the brief lifestyle of this young man son trial. now a full scale character assassination saying that trayvon martin deserved his fate, that he provoked his own death. while you may be tempted to divert your attention away from what really happened, here are the only three facts that really matter. first, a man with a gun chose to pursue an