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the talking ends at supreme court. and now, or should we say, in about three months, decision ti time on healthcare law. we heard from justices, today it is the lawyer's turn. take a look to paul clement, the attorney arguing for 26 states challenging law. >> if the mandate is unconstitutional then the rest of the abt cannot stand. let's give congress a clean slate, if it's so easy to have that other big volume get reenacted they can do it in a couple of days. it won't be a big deal. what you end up with at the end of the process is just sort after hollow shell. >> we begin coverage with chief legal analyst savannah guthrie. walk us through the highlights. >> okay, so basically the court was considering what the obama administration would consider the dooms day scenario which is that the individual mandate requiring every individual to get some minimal level of insure suns struck down. the question before the court

this morning is what other portions of this 2700 page law could survive if the individual mandate was struck down. we heard three different positions on that. paul clement who represent states says look, if you throw out the individual mandate you are basically gutting the heart of the law and you might as well just get rid of the whole thing, let congress start from scratch and fashion a new healthcare reform law. the government takes what you might consider to be a middle position. they say, if you throw up the individual mandate or we hope you don't, then you have to also throw out the band on denying coverage because of preexisting conditions. they say, those two are part and parcel, they go together, they are linked. and with the justice to be sitting on this issue a lot are very concerned that they didn't want to be in the position of having to go page by page in the law and figure out which is linked to the mandate and which were on the periphery and which could survive. as the lawyer arguing for the state said, you may be left with

hollow shell so you may as well scrap the whole thing pt issue two is the part that vastly expands lower income people. forcing states to spend money that the federal government has the power under the constitution to put conditions on the money it gives to the states. states don't have to take that money. but the issue is, whether the federal government went too far this time. requiring conditions that were too ownrous and essentially giving the state no choice that they today take this, make the medicaid available to more people other wise they would lose all medicate funding and that that choice amounted to the federal comment com on deering the states. that's the second argument today. >> savannah, now all these protest at court in recent days, now we kind of go quiet until june. where is it all going to go fwr here? >> we all go quiet. but this is where the action is. inside the courtroom. they will take votes and then there will be dualing opinions

and negotiations and all of that. but we don't expect the decision until late june. that point, you may see a very fractured court. there are four different issues before it. on monday we heard whether the court could hear the case. yesterday was the main event with the mandate and then the two issues we talked about. as for a political matter, which is interesting is if the individual mandate was struck down, what that would do. just as presidential election is kicking into the general election, what that would do. what wo is t galvanize the waste to say, he is swre to keep president obama in because we see elections have consequences or would it galvanize the right saying we have to fix this or do healthcare all over again. >> savannah guthrie, thank you. i know we will back to you on all this. now, david walker.

he says our healthcare system will be a mess no whatter what they decide. welcome. >> thank you. >> i know you have a broader critique of where the healthcare system is, regardless of where the court comes down in june. what's your beef with this system? >> while there are positive aspects of the affordable care act, it focused more on commanding cover rj than controlling cost and that the federal government has overpromised in other areas of healthcare and hasn't done enough to make sure that it can deliver on the promises that its made. so i think that even if the supreme court reafirms the constitutionality of the law, the president and congress have to go back and revisit it. for example, the office of the chief ak areary of medicare estimates that cost to medicare alone of this bill is $12 trillion higher than otherwise was claimed. because the assumptions are unreasonable and unsustainable

in the opinion of the office of the chief ak actuary. >> now i want it put up. i hear what you're saying. but obviously, the white house and the folks who drafted this law, while they have a concern with expanding coverage, thought they were incorporating a bunch of measure that some groups on both sides have said are some of the most promising things we know of to test. i want it tick through a list of those. i know we have a screen on that. they have the independent payment advisory board that would recommend changes to medicare that congress would have to actually stop. so there would be a chance it make it happen. they have various forms of payment bundling, which i think you have written on. include bundling different pro advisers and not on a total fee for service basis, which drives up costs. they have taxes on higher priced plans to try and disinnocent advise those things and the accountable care organizations. they make the argument as do many republicans that

competition between carriers should drive down cost. why, in your view, don't the measures go far enough and what's your agenda? >> first, let me say that a number were positive to the extent they are effectively implemented. in the case of the, i think that intellectual merit. some people call that death panels. here is the bottom line. bottom line is we are the only major industrialized nation that does not have a limit as to how much federal resources there are each year. we're the only one. you have to have a limit and decide how to basically apply that. is it through premium support? is it through ipad type mess neckis. . we have to be honest with the american people and have a discussion about how much universal healthcare, and yes i did say, universal healthcare sb is appropriate, afford al and sustainable. we have to focus on wellness and catastrophic with options for

more an obviously the government will do more for the poor, indigent and veterans. as typically the case, government overpromised and is set to underdeliver on the present path. >> can i go along with the catastrophic as way to start with the preventive, but with the nags henational healthcare budget and we're the only country that doesn't do that, how do you help get past the fear that every time this is talked about, the other side screams rationing. you see the whole thing with death panels that is total phony bologna but it takes a bite on democrats for trying to do something that you think is sensible. >> other industrialized nations are way ahead of us on this issue. we ration health care now, we just don't ration it rationally. so one of the things we have to do is we have to have positions involved in helping to determine

standards of practice. both for pavement purposes as well as for a safe harbor malpractice litigation if you will. we can't afford for everybody to have whatever they want, irrespective of whatever it will meaningful improve or sustain life. there are ways to do it without premium support. but the simplest way is to use premium support. well give you so much money, you decide what you want it buy. there's going to be competition. but that's not the only way to accomplish it. we can look to other countries for exam examples. >> briefly, david, then some of it seems childish. other countries having these conversations, have 10% gdp. we have 17% gdp, how do we have traction for that. >> if there is one thing to pack

up america, it is out of control healthcare cost and that's where we're headed. the fact of the matter is that for any system to are affordable and sustainable you have to properly aligned. and the cost and quality in the case of health care and appropriate accountability if they don't act properly mp. in the case of healthcare, we're zero for three. that's a trike out. that's why we pay double per person and below societal result. we don't have time to get into it. >> i would love to. well we'll have to bring you back. >> i would love to. >> thank pup congratulations on hosting. 2.5 million risk losing coverage because one of the laws provisions on the books allows young americans to stay covered by parent policies until they turn 26. aaron smith is executive director and co-founders ever

young invincibles. people at the heart of the matter, yuoung americans. they just launched, meet a young person, to educate justices by young americans. >> right now, there are young people getting medical attention that they need. and wouldn't without the affordable care act. >> hi justice, my name is arnl you are smith and i'm 21. when you were 21, it was 1957. >> there were times i did not have health insurance that i had to wait to go to the emergency room to receive care because it finally boiled down to emergency situation. i don't want my daughter to have to go through that. >> so aaron, what is the message you're trying to bring to the court? this is quite a creative way to go directly from young america. i home ska lee why will good through your stuff on youtube tonight. >> exactly. one of the things we are concerned about is potential disconnect between the

hypothetical arguments that justices are making and real world impact of this law and the huge potential benefits it has for young adults. we saw some of those individual yes, sir right there, already 2.5 million young people gained coverage. that benefit goes away if we strike down this law. there's been a lot of talk about new rules around birth control and no cost sharing on birth control. those rules go away if we strike down this law. finally, some of biggest benefits are in 2014. about 20 million uninsured adults, largest group of uninsured. about 8 million would qualify for medicaid. a lot of those are actually young people working hard who don't make very much money. if you make about $15,000 a year you qualified for medicaid. another 9 million who qualify for subsidies on the exchange. so all together you have potentially 17 million adults who would gain health insurance

if the affordable health care act stands. there are real world consequences to the decisions made it this court. >> so aaron, i want to play from you, we have one of the senior statesman and the u.s. senate john mccain who made remarks micking up on the notion of how this would affect young americans. let's listen. >> first thing they say the first important thing about obamacare is that parent can keep their children on their health insurance plan until age 26. well you know, i think all four of us right now would be glad to put that into a law as an amendment in a new york minute. if they want to keep son in the basement until he's 30, fine with me. but for that to be the center piece oh, this is why we have to preserve bm obamacare is a bad jek. >> what is your message it john mccain? >> it is great to hear support for that provision because it is one of the most popular in the

law. but i just point out that about 2.5 million young adults did gain coverage. there are still about 20 million uninsured young adults. the vast majority of them would be picked up by medicaid, exchanges, there are huge benefits coming down the line and already in place for young people that, you know, really have to be projected and that's why we're talking about meet a young person.com, a way for young people to have a voice in this process that sometimes seems pretty distant from their real lives. we just encourage everyone to get involved. >> one of the arguments made is we shouldn't force young people like you into the system because you will end up subsidizing older americans. i think you will did that like any insurance pool and when you're older that is part of social insurance. do young people object to being used in this way? >> i think that's a great point to raise. we did a pl from 95% of young

americans this isn't even an issue. we want to get insured p.m. we want to be responsible citizens. young people living at hem, i don't know young people who want it live at hem. it is a result of the economic challenges with face. and young people will get covered. that's what we found in massachusetts p f we make it affordable for them. that's what the affordable care act does. it is the for the first time we never had. keep in minding r mind for young people, the unemployment rate is about twice the average. many of us have jobs that don't offer benefits. the exchange is critical for us to get the coverage we need and for us to be financially successful. >> aaron smith, eloquent voice. young invincibles is the group. thanks for joining me today. >> thanks very much. >> coming up here on the dr show, closing arguments before the supreme court are just the beginning of the conversation for our wednesday mega panel p. they join us next. plus, uss intrepid took

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time after time, members of the same organizations that support obamacare, saying we can't live with this provision. unless it's impossible for us to comply with that provision. fascinating commentary trying to

dot lord's work in the city of satin. >> fired up senator john mccain on the senate floor this morning. the highest court heard closing arguments when it comes to the health care law. in the court of public opinion there is plenty of judgment to go around. let's take it to the wednesday plega panel. john that cape hart and rob cox. i'm kind of mystified, you know, if the court actually does, and there seems to be a feel noug in the air that there may be five, not be five votes to support the mandate, if they take out the mandate from this law, they ruined the whole thing because insurance doesn't work with private health care plans if you don't force everybody in the system. i'm almost depressed, how about you? >> yeah, i find it quite depressing. but this problem is going away. we can have 15 million americans without health care. you can tweak it and maybe it's

40 and maybe 60. the republicans may dance on the grave of obamacare, but then they are stuck with the same problem. the reason the president prioritized this and as you wrote about in your column at the washington post, is because it was a problem that electorate asked him to deal with. same thing with mitt romney. why he dealt with it in massachusetts. he put to his constituents and said what problems do we have? what can i help you solve because i'm a problem-solving guy. they said, we would like you to solve healthcare. they come up with the plans to do so. everyone can say we don't like this, we don't like that provision but mccain is getting at this. but this is a problem we have to solve. and if obamacare is not the right way, he fine, redo it, figure it out. but it's not going away, this problem. >> it is great to have somebody from england on the panel today, like you, because i've always said our boundaries of debate on healthcare are so skewed. in england margaret thatcher back in the day would have been

chased from office if she proposed anything as radically as conservative as obamacare because of private doctors doing it. private health plans and a settled issue in the uk and yet in the u.s. when they wouldn't even put don ber wick up for a vet for medicare chief. he was going to be laughed from town. what do you make of all this? >> everybody in britain can afford to call an ambulance and i do truly believe that almost every american believes every american should be able to afford to call an ambulance. there is a big question mark to me over the supreme court today. surely national governments should find national solutions for national problems. and if the individual mandate isn't going it happen then what does that do to car insurance, flood insurance. a solution has to be found. it is unacceptable for the best country in the world to have a population uninsured. it's absolutely crazy. obamacare is not perfect but

fundamentally it is a start. that is where legislation will will be changed over time but it is a start. >> now wrb jonathan wib think she is trying to say in a polite way, we are a bunch ever uncivilized groups in the united states. >> you know, i would have to agree with her app and here is why. republicans want to do away with obamacare but haven't proposed what their plan b is. as rob said, no matter what the supreme court does, this problem is not going away. so there no plan b. the other problem is, obamacare used romneycare as its foundation. the former republican governor of massachusetts. and the other thing is that the, i think the individual mandate, was the idea from the heritage foundation. that's not some left wing progressive political think tank. that is a conservative republican think tank. these are republican ideas that

republican party has suddenly turned on because a president and particularly a democratic president, decided that he was going to actually do something about it and try to get it done. now they are trying to kill it and have no plan b. >> i tell you rob, this all reminds me of when i was a younger man working in the clinton white house, when health care was lot of atestimonied, bill craftal, wrote a famous memo in '93 saying do not let this pass because the political benefit that are down to democrats once people realized that they can get help from government in solving a major problem like health insurance will be something the gop can't allow. i think the litigation strategy is the same thing. they don't put out a single plan. even when obama was developing his thing. outer limit of what the republicans would replace it with is something that would cover 3 million when there's 50 million uninsured. >> they have to be careful what they wish for here. strike it down, beat it up, get it declared unconstitutional.

the republicans do that. that is the supreme court and we've got a month or two to ponder what they might do. basically, this is right, matt. they can win and deal with 15 million uninsured people. with no plan. good luck. >> well, we'll be back for more of that. the panel will stick around. just ahead, our specialist on what he calls the free trade she raid. charade. n't afford to ignore our retirement savings, not in this economy. we also have zero free time, and my dad moving in. so we went to fidelity. we looked at our family's goals and some ways to help us get there. they helped me fix my economy, the one in my house. now they're managing my investments for me. and with fidelity, getting back on track was easier than i thought. call or come in today to take control of your personal economy. get one-on-one help from america's retirement leader.

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manipulating currency and stealing intellectual property. >> free trade certainly a hot topic on the campaign trail. but all this talk about one set of rules has specialists fired pup. he didn't understand how trade can operate through one set of rules when there are different games being played. welcome, good to see you again. >> great to be here with you. >> i know you had a piece the other day talking about the kind of rugby rules or trade rugby going on with different sets of rules. i'm an rugby fan. what does that mean, exactly? >> well, rugby is an international game and it's a light game of football. not as rough as football. and i know, you might say that world trade organization represents rugby rules. and the members of the world trade organization are supposed

to play by the rugby rules. but in fact, what is often happening is that countries like china, or korea, a number of countries, playing real american football. so when president obama for example, or governor romney talk about, we have to enforce the rules, everybody's got to play by the rules, the question i ask is the rules of which game? because if you are trying to enforce rugby rules and you play with a guy playing football, it is not going to work. >> clyde, let me ask you a question, it's rob cox. there's an assumption we are the good guys, playing by rules set forth by say wto. and that may be the case. but i want to just sort of specifically ask, it sounds to me like udsing a rugby analogy is a skrum or free-for-all where everybody is playing by some variation of rules. some playing completely off the

sidelines. are we whiter than white here when it comes to playing by the rules. >> we're not whiter than white. i think that this terms of open markets and market-based systems, that we are probably more in the open market area than many other countries. but my analogy works either way. the point is we're not playing same games. even if we're not whiter than white, we're not playing the same game as china or singapore or others are playing. but the premise of all of our negotiation says that we are. and we're negotiating a so-called tpp, trance trans pacific partnership. and we and singapore and vietnam and we hope japan, that we are all playing the same game and serve the same dynamics. the truth being that we don't. let me give you one example.

a big element in international trade is the value of currencies. and you know, we spend years and hours and endless negotiations reducing tariffs by 5 or 10 or 15%. currency movements can be 20, 30% in a day. they can wipe out tariff negotiations overnight. the management of your currency to produce an indirect subsidy export is not at all covered in the know nebraska goeshations. the premises that all of the countries negotiating to not manage their currencies to subsidize their export. that is simply not the case. rs. >> jonathan, you want it take this in the golf or paddle tennis? >> i was going to say. leave it to me to end the sports analogies. but i'll continue with it. so one group is playing by rugby rules. another group is playing by american rules. it leads me to wonder, who the hell is the referee?

and does anyone even trust that referee? respect that referee? >> excellent question. the referee is the -- is prezum actually the world trade organization but the world trade organization works in its dispute resolution through panels of representatives for the various members of the organization. so in a sense, all of the are the referees. and you put your finger on it. it becomes very difficult to get a referee decision because many of the referees come from very different perspectives. for. >> going to take this in a cricket direction, i hope. >> i don't like cricket. i do love rugby, though. i was offended on behalf of american football. but back to the world trade organization, what would you do to improve it?

that seems to be key moving forward. >> well, there or two things. one thing that could be done would be to include within the rulings or in the legislation of the wto, things like currency manipulation. which are not now covered by the wto. yet they are very important to trade. you could put into the wto rules to deal with enterprises which are increasingly a major part of international trade but not at all addressed by the wto. those are things can you do. but i think there's a more fund fundamental issue that against going into the wto that members are playing the same game and you know, the truth is, that we have a world divided between countries that are more or less, let's say, let's say fair, free

trade. for those countries the market is an end itself. if outcomes are a market outcome, it is an accepted legitimate outcome. you have a group of other countries that are playing neomercantilism, which is the market is a tool to get to the outcome but if you're not getting to outcome then you tweak the market. that difference in attitude and philosophy really needs to be bridged in some way before you can really resolve this problem. >> clyde, an important voice. thanks for beating the drum on this. i think our leaders are ready on both sides it try and take this on seriously. thanks for joining me today. thanks as always to our diverse sports-involved mega panel from everywhere. jonathan, imogen and rob, see you guys soon. fairness in one set of rules,

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>> so making a good a guide book for people to build careers of meaning and we developed a six-step process to help people do that. which starts with reflect. if you don't know where you're going, chances are you're not going to get there. so the first step to s to figure out what you want it do. then build skills to get there. build relationships. build a strong social network around you and your idea. then launch a career from there. >> dev, let me get you in for a couple other steps. what are steps would, three and four. >> steps two, three and four. it's about adapting, reflecting and launching yourself into a career. the most exciting thing about happening today is there is opportunity out there that you can rethink, redesign, and rebuild absolutely any industry you can imagine. you can pick everything from party supplies to counter tops. we spent the last two years interview be hundreds of people

doing just that. just every single industry can be reinvented in a way that actually makes money and does good. that's what making good is all about. 2459s what we are trying to capture with the book and a, show people it is possible. and b, the how. you who you get these jobs. because once you turn your head, the opportunity is totally there. >> billy, why don't you walk us through, give us an example. i know you pro filed a bunch of ma lineals in the book. give us one of your favorite. >> i love this sustainable party. two girls in brooklyn who were tired of seeing the red solo party cups everywhere. tired of seeing them, you know, sprayed across the floor after college parties and felt like there is a better way it make party materials, make them sustainable. so they have sourced all of the different kind of party materials you would need and created a website where anyone

can get sustainable affordable supplies. so this is one example of people who solve problems and created a good solution and strong business around solving it. >> now, dev, i love that example too. even just mentioned, when billy mentioned the red solo cup, i've seen them, i bought them. your message is there, entrepreneurship, even if itself, if you try and tackle the right goals, is part of business building. you really can thread the needle and do well and do good. >> that is a hundred percent true. a lot of the job creation today is coming from place of start-ups. what we see is a new generation of young people approaching things from a different place. looking at opportunity it start the next billion dollar company and looking at what is the problems. what are industries breaking down and how can you reapproach it and redesign or rethink the industry. as an entrepreneur and int

intrapremur. you may be the perfect person to rethink that job. you might be the person that sees the opportunity to like change the way that your company buys product. there's an opportunity for all of us to recognize, where have we gotten so far? what has our bath been that got us here and what can we do to make good. that's what we are trying to capture with the book and makinggood.org. telling people, a, it is possible. and b, show them how. >> you did this book, uncovered five key trends to put on the radar screen that talks about the way employment and careers need to be thought about differently. walk us quickly, if you can, through some of the key trend that you've uncovered. >> yeah. so you know, one of the big new things we are seeing is through the internet, people are able to harness the collective intelligence of our civilization to solve big problems. you know, we have enough -- we have as much information in our

smart phone as the u.s. government had when they put a man on the moon. we have access to all of the information. we have the ability to collaborate to find business partners, to solve problems together. so you know, the internet is really at the center of a lot of the trends we're seeing. advances -- go ahead, matt. >> i just want it get dev in for a lot of word on this. it is one of the key messages when you talk about trends is people have to be ready for nonlinear careers obviously day single breadwinner going to a major corporation and working there for 35 or 40 years and then getting a pension, that's not the way people can think about their careers. what are the key things folks need to understand to have the mind-set to go after this stuff at an age that might feel more insecure? >> right. we have always been told this is how it goes. we don't have the confidence to know wab what happens when you follow a career path or reinvent an industry.

how do you find that in the first place it find that is start by realizing that all the skills that you've gained, maybe you know, the career you've been in for your whole life so far, or what you've learned in school actually makes you the perfect person to tackle the reinvention of that industry. and it is starting by finding the stories we have if making good and making good.org is seeing stories of all these people actually doing it. once you realize and once you tirn your head and see opportunity that we've seen the last couple of years, there's no turning back and you just know it is actually possible to make money and change the world. you will find the confidence to do it. >> that's a great optimistic rishdev, thanks for joining me with this very upbeat message today. >> thanks for having us. appreciate it. >> coming up on "hardball," what these three days of supreme court arguments mean for the coming months in politics.

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he's panelist, a host and ranter. the man is a true triple threat. here is today's rant. take it way. >> thanks, matt. i want it talk today about the killing of trayvon martin which led to calls for a national could be conversation on race. the washington post and chicago tribune recently said that the killing should spark such a conversation. you may recall we heard the same

thing in 2010 when a black harvard professor was arrested in his own home after report after burglary there. there were calls for national conversation of race in 2006 when new york police officers discharged 50 bullet in the killing of shawn bell, an unarmed black man on his wedding day. and in pst 99 when police officers fired 41 shot to kill an unarmed 23-year-old black man. apart pr responding to the incident, president clinton once called for a national conversation on race in 1997. he had a whole initiative, series of events and dialogue to advance what he called one america in the 21st century. well, the martin case is drawing tons of attention across the country as you can see from the chart. but today i suggest we do not need another national conversation about race. what we need now is a national agenda to combat racism in our criminal justice system. we need to find policy goals for

what is an exciting and growing constituency that does want it fix the glaring problems. we don't need a debate with people who don't see the problems or a search for conversation consensus. if you agre with me so far? what should be on agenda? i propose, number one, something already out there. . national criminal justice act of 2011. a bold profess poesal from senator jim webb to review the entire criminal justice system and address incarceration, racial despairis and ineffective and harsh sentencing. he said at the time, we, the out, have 5% of the world's population and 25% of the people in prison. we are locking up too many people who do not belong in jail. he ultimately called that a national disgrace. this bill, which would do something, got 57 votes in

senate last year. but republicans in the minority filibustered it and democrats moved on. let me say, now is the time to bring this bill back up for a vote. and if the minority still want it filibuster is, harry reid should make them talk until they run out of things to say. now that is just a start. there are other things we can do. other reforms. repeal the three trikes and you're outlaws. mandatory minimums. and jail time for most nonviolent drug possession. all of these areas have racial disparities baked into the system in a way that's unconscionab unconscionable. but i think talking about race as start is too easy. let's make them do something, finally. matt? >> great point, ari. about 15 second. why does something like jim webb's bill, which looks like it is saying let's study this closely and come up with concrete resolutions, why is that filibustered some. >> i think republicans wanted no