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seeing the situation four square. we do not see what we're doing because there are those who don't want us to see it, they want us to keep on doing what they want us to do and thinking too much about it might get in in the way. that's "hardba tha now. politics nation with al sharpton starts right now. welcome to politics nation. i'll al sharpton. tonight's lead. dramatic new video that could turn the trayvon martin case upside down. and bring us one step closer to justice. this new sanford police video shows trayvon's killer arriving at the police station just minutes after the shooting. this is an absolutely crucial point. the time stamp on the video
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reads 19:52. that it's 7:52 p.m. 7:52. that's just half an hour after the shooting took place. according to the sanford police report, police arrived on the scene at 19:17 hours. 7:17 p.m. justen shot was fired. so just 35 minutes later, 35 minutes after zimmerman claims trayvon smashed his head into the sidewalk and broke his nose, the gentleman looks like this on the videotape. there are no obvious signs of injury. the police report says zimmerman was bleeding -- was, quote, bleeding from the nose. zimmerm zimmerman's father even claims his nose was broken, but you can't see any blood on his face in this video. the same report also says he was, quote, bleeding from the back of his head.
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but you can't see any blood or scrapes here either. we do see an officer take a quick look at it, but he doesn't seem to have any significant reaction to any wound or gash. the police report also said zimmerman's back was, quote, wet and covered with grass. but again, we don't see any obvious wetness or grass stains here, just a half hour after the shooting. this new tape seems to refute key portions of zimmerman's defense and raises troubling questions about the police. zimmerman's attorney didn't have a good answer when asked about this on the "today" show. >> when you look at this videotape, do you think it backs up your client's claims or might it contradict them? >> i don't think it does either one. it's a very grainy video. >> folks, it's not that grainy.
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the story it tells is pretty clear. but george zimmerman's father is still pushing the claim that it was trayvon who was the real aggressor in the case. >> george was trying to get his head off the concrete, trying to move with trayvon on him into the grass. in doing so, his firearm was shown. trayvon martin said something to the effect of you're going to die now or you're going to die tonight. >> joining me now is the martin family attorney, benjamin crump. ben, thanks for being here. what's your reaction to this tape? >> reverend sharp ton, we heap, the 911 tape and we see the video and it is abundantly clear
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what they put in the police report talking about his nose being broken and his head busted just doesn't hold up. if you listen to his father and you listen to his friend, oliver, make the claim that trayvon martin beat his head repeatedly in the pavement and that's why he had to shoot this kid, we now know that's untrue. and don't take my word for it. don't take the parents' word for it. just look at your tape for yourself. listen for yourself. and i love what you say, reverend sharpton, when we have a dispute a, let, let's go to t. >> how did the mother and father respond to this new tape? >> you know, it was so profound. sabrina said what is in the dark shall come to light, the truth shall come to light. and she said god is good. >> now, the police, did they ever tell you this tape existed? >> no, they did not. >> so you had no idea these tapes were coming out today or
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yesterday? >> no idea. and that's the problem with it. when they say why we think there's some kind of cover up, you have to show all the evidence out there. and when they saw this evidence based on what zimmerman has said, he said that his nose was busted -- broken. and he said his head was busted. these tapes clearly show that's opposite and it supports the lead detective who said he didn't think his story was credible, he didn't think his story added up and these higher ups came in and overruled his decision. >> now, an orlando tv station is claiming that one of the policemen said he took a picture of zimmerman's injury with his cell phone. but why wouldn't that be part of an official photo and why wouldn't we see there's a little something you see in the back of his head, but you don't know if that's hair, but it clearly is not what they describe in his lawyer's statement about a broke nose and major injuries to the back of his head. >> reverend sharpton, if i took
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your head and i beat it repeatedly into the concrete, you would have a con discussion or something. when you watch it that video, you see how freely and casually he walks. that's not the sign of a man that's been severely injured. it just doesn't add up. >> did the police knew who he was or not? >> they knew who he was at 8:30 and this police report suggests either they knew or they went back and change that had report. and that's the problem here. you can't be changing things to make it zimmerman's claim and that's what they did. think about the later report they filed, reverend sharpton. they didn't put in that first report anything about his nose, anything about his head. that was done to help
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zimmerman's claim of self-defense. and that's why everybody is saying we smell a rat. >> now, when you look at every ang angle, clearly you don't see in the pictures of zimmerman a broke nose. and given the time frame and the time on the video and the time when we know that the police had arrived, it doesn't seem like they had enough time to do a local lot of things. maybe clean him up. but if your nose is broke, you're still bleeding and he's handcuffed. so it just doesn't make any logical sense. i don't care -- obviously i've been advocating my view on this situation, but i don't see any objective view with the time frame could make this work. with what they represented to be his so-called injuries. >> and that's the thing, reverend sharpton. what discount what we say. you watch with your own eyes.
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listen to the tapes and zimmerman's voice and listen to that voice that's crying out for help. listen for yourself and you get it. that's why 2 million people have signed a petition for him to be arrested. the world is watching. the people get it. everybody wants to know why aren't the police getting it, why haven't they arrested him. >> how would this play out? you're one of the best lawyers in the country and we've worked together before on cases. how will this this play out in court, the tapes? doesn't he need some sichb injury and all to even try the self-defense as a defense? >> reverend, i think that he was going to play this stand your ground self-defense all the way out. this videotape hurts that. it really hurts it because he had to say that he felt threatened, that he had all these injuries and stuff to be able to espouse that theory of shf defense. i think the prosecutor with this tape clearly has the evidence to
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defeat that claim even though i never thought he had a stand your ground claim before because he was the aggressor. but if you want to give him that, this really hurt wills his case and i'm like sabrina fulton and tracy martin, god is good because this trace being revealed is one of the biggest pieces of evidence in this case. >> you called it a smoking gun. >> and how many do we have to present for them to arrest him? >> and he needed injuries to say why he pulled out a gun and shot. without injuries, why are you using deadly force when you're almost 100 pounds heavier than the guy? >> and it's something my grandmother used to always say. she said if you lie about something little, you know you'll lie about something big. and his lies can't keep -- he can't keep it straight. the story changes. his friends can't keep it straight. >> benjamin, thank you for joining me again tonight. >> and i must say this, reverend sharpton, sabrina and tracy told
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me to tell you thank you for when they started trying to attack the son and his character and his reputation, you stood up for him and said that's in the right. that's irrelevant to what happened. >> i've seen this playbook before as i've said to our viewers and i've said to them the parents. thank you again for being here. >> thank you so much. coming up, the police station tape. what does it say about george zimmerman's version of events and what could it mean for a trial? plus, zimmerman's attorney goes on national television and makes some stunning claims. but will they hold up? later, we'll go inside the investigation. what needs to happen for an arrest to be made? you're watching politics nation on msnbc. [ donovan ] i hit a wall.
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video from inside the police station the night george zimmerman shot trayvon martin. what it could mean for the case. that's next. [ male announcer ] what can you do with plain white rice? when you pour chunky beef with country vegetables soup over it... you can do dinner. four minutes, around four bucks. campbell's chunky. it's amazing what soup can do.
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to talk more about the video showing george zimmerman just minutes after he shot trayvon martin, let's bring in lou palombo, retired police investigator and now director of
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the elite group, a private security agency, and opinion writer for the "washington post" and msnbc contributor. today he's writing about george zimmerman's crumbling version of events. okay, let's take a look at the entire tape. i want you to take me what you see. roll. >> at this point, eithit's quit obvious that they have zimmerman in custody. >> he's getting out of the car unassisted. >> fully ambulatory and handcuffed in a state of arrest. >> watch this. he's touching him, touching zimmerman with his bare hands. >> apparently there was no real concern by the police officer that there might have been any type of contaminants especially in the day when we live with aids and other infectious diseases. >> so that's unusual. >> highly unusual.
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the other thing that's a little unusual is that they appear to be finishing the search of him in their command as opposed to out in the street. normally you would have done this before you -- >> wait a minute. they are continuing to search him in the place station not in the street and he just killed somebody. >> highly unusual. >> does that mean they know him or comfortable with him? >> i think procedurally they were a little remiss. if you watch him now, he seems to be walking quite well for -- >> they're walking and kind of letting him walk his own way. >> absolutely. >> which is very unusual. >> that's exactly right. normally you would accompany him by grasping his arm to have control over the subject. >> they're in the holding his arm, he's just walkinging. >> what it tells me is procedurally there's a little bit of a problem with the police. i'm not sure that it lends itself necessarily to anything that's collusive in the relationship between zimmerman and the police, but these are just a little bit of
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irregularities. the thing i find also interesting is the guy who is alleging that he was beaten within an inch of his life that he had to use deadly physical force seems to be quite okay and moving around. >> all of this, look at this walk, look at how he's walking along, didn't appe doesn't appe limping or rattled or traumatiz traumatized. here's a man who said he was beaten within an inch of his life who just killed somebody 30 minutes before we're seeing him on this tape. >> and i can he will ytell you that i heard a witness indicate that he believed zimmerman got from on top of trayvon and when he got up, there was no visible injuries and moving about quite freely and comfortably. i just heard a witness' statement. and these are not consistent with injuries that would justify the use of deadly physical force. >> now, let's go slow, jonathan and lou. let's get specific. first, zimmerman's nose. it was said his nose was broken.
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let's look at his nose. it says zim are mmerman was ble from his nose. that was the police report. and the orlando sentinel says zimmerman suffered a broken nose at the scene. but let's focus again on the video. shot less than an hour after trayvon was killed. less than an hour after zimmerman sustained these injuries. look at his nose. >> i have a point i'd like to make out that maybe not to upstage but more significant, if you have a broken nose or bleeding, do you see any blood on his chest? >> here's the clothes. here's the nose. a broken nose, you can't stop from bleeding. and you certainly would have blood on your clothes. >> but we should focus on
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something else. if he broke -- >> look at the thoez. these are three different shot, three different angles. neither of those angles look like a broken nose or you don't really see a bruise and you september certain certainly don't see blood. and i've never heard of an arrest where they let you go change before you go to the police station from a murder scene. >> not in my 39 years. the thing is obviously mr. zimmerman is attempting to cover up this homicide he committed. and unfortunately, there are witnesses coming forward right now that are contradicting many of the statements that he made, including statements his father made about being brutally beaten to the degree that it was requiring him to use deadly physical force. >> and the report says that he was treated in the back of the car. but clearly -- >> no blood. >> -- no blood. and clearly it does not seem like any physical injuries. and jonathan, you've been following the writing on this case from day one as close to it
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as it went national. and you've been told this man was beaten savagely. >> right. we've all been told that trayvon jumped on top of him, trayvon first punched him in the face, knocked him out. knocked him down on the ground. pinned his shoulders back, pinned his arms back, banged his head several times in to the concrete. but for those folks who might want to say you can't see that might be blood because the image is grainy, someone who has had a broken nose, someone who had lacerations in the back of their head would have bandages. less than 35 minutes -- >> especially since they had first aid. >> exactly. there are no bandages on his nose, nothing inside his nose to stop the bleeding and nothing in the back of his head. >> he was given first aid in the back of the car. if he had a badly bruised nose, they would have bandaged it,
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twhee have done something. they would not have just wiped his nose and handcuffeded him. mind you, doesn't make a lot of sense. >> another interesting development with the eyewitness. the eyewitness has spoken and indicated that this will confrontation with trayvon occurred on the grass and apparently based on the police report that i was able to review, there was grass stains and moisture consistent with being on a lawn, not concrete. >> so what you reviewed, he was on a lawn, not concrete. now let's focus on the head. the orlando sentinel reported this week police said trayvon climbed on top of george zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk leaving him bloody and battered. now, back to the video. does it look like there's any lacerations or evidence of cuts or bruisings on his head in video? >> not that you can see if this
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video. and still again -- >> let's go close. >> nothing consistent with the injuries that were alleged. >> how important would this be if you were testifying at trial? >> extremely important. there are a lot of holes in his story at this point. that's bottom line. there will are no injuries that he sustained consistent with the use of force that he employed. >> he has three different shots of the head and on all three angles, we don't see any obvious injuries, lacerations. >> no irregularities. >> or irregularity, thank you, sir. i'll use your term since you'd be the expert witness. and he would need some of these injuries to be consistent with the story told and, two, to justify why you would use deadly force and kill someone and claim it was self defense. >> if he had sustained these protracted injuries that he
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alleged, the law enforcement agency as we have done in the past would have taken photographs of him so that at some point in time if necessary they would have been presented to a grand jury to further support his claims of self-defense. but i do want to point out one other thing with this case. it is my opinion that this incident or contact was precipitated as a result of the poor judgment of zimmerman. it is not an affirmative defense. you cannot claim self-defense if you instigate the confrontation. and basically trayvon had the same stand your ground rights a this individual did. this was a man who had no identification from a law enforcement agency. no credentials that would allow him to confront anyone. in fact if you review the tapes, he was directed or subjected to him by the 911 operator who operates under the training of the law enforcement agency not to proceed. he had no legal authority to confront mr. martin. >> let's go a step further to
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the clothing. because clearly there's nothing identifying him as anything. if i'm trayvon, i don't know if i'm not being attacked by a criminal. because you see how he's dressed. he's not a law enforcement officer, not even a registered watchman, but certainly not dressed in a way that would suggest to any authority. but also let's look at the police report identified zimmerman as, quote, the subject in the red jacket at the crime scene. yesterday the orlando sentinel reported police took zimmerman's clothing and packaged it for crime lab analysis. but back to the tape. that looks like a red jacket to me. wouldn't there be blood on that jacket and when would they have taken the clothes? >> they should have for the purpose of analysis to determine if that was his blood or the blood of ray von for example. as the story is continuing to develop, i'm hearing that the shot was dischargeded while the
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two were rolling around on the grass. so obviously there was an entry wound and potentially an exit wound. so you'd like to find out the entry wound angle, if in that can't there was an exit wound, and you want to determine the distance in which the shooting occurred. and we're able to do that through information ren six. >> back this up for me one second. where is my video guy? i want to back it right just a few -- right. okay. here you got it open. there's no blood. you see the green shirt? the green shirt is open. so even if somebody was wearing a red jacket, here's green. you'd see something if there was blood. certainly from a bloody nose. so the story they're telling, it just doesn't fit the tapes. and obviously not only did the
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martin family know the tapes existed, i don't think zimmerman and them thought about these tapes before they told their story. >> and i also want to mention one other thing. >> sum it up for us. >> if there were injuries consistent with a brutal beating that required the use of deadly miss force and in this instance a deadly weapon, wouldn't you think there would have been required some type of emergency medical treatment at a hospital facility? this guy's walking around the precinct like he's never experienced anything. he doesn't have any bumps, any bruises. there's no evidence of any bleeding. >> doesn't seem like he's tra a traumatiz traumatized, nothing. >> nothing consistent with his claims or the claims that his father made. in fact, ice appear further exacerbated the situation by lending itself to 9 whole issue about the weapon.appear further exacerbated the situation by lending itself to 9 whole issue about the weapon. he was not authorized to carry this weapon in this capacity as a neighborhood watch person. the same way the new york city
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auxiliary police are not authorized to carry weapons. he precipitated this. there's a little vigilante mentality attached to this individual in my opinion and this is the fruition of it. >> lou, jonathan, thanks for your time. and thanks for your help in walking us through this tape. new focus on the one person who can make or break this case. special prosecutor angela curry. will she make an arrest? stay with us. do you have anything for a headache...like excedrin...
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>> i believe his nose was broken. he sustained injury to his nose and on the back of his head, he sustained a cut that was serious enough that probably should have had stitches but there was a delay to him getting to the emergency room. >> i believe there was sufficient evidence to show that mr. zimmerman was acting in self-defense. he has wounds and injuries to his pace, to the back of his head. >> so zimmerman's attorney went from calling these injuries serious to, well, hard to see in a grainy video. this is the very same attorney who claimed zimmer map was treated at the hospital after being released by police. would he have x-rays to back up a broken nose? pictures? something? >> again, i'm not -- even with all the evidence that's coming out, i'm not going to litigate this case in the media. >> you're not going to litigate
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this case in the media. you've been giving interviews left and right. i'd work on that defense argument if i were you. joining me now from practice is former homicide prosecutor and kendall coffey, criminal attorney. thank you both for being here tonight. ken, let me start with you. does zimmerman's attorney appear to have a case anymore at all? >> mr. zimmerman's attorney appears to be having looked through the bottom of a coke bottle for glasses and maybe he was using rabbit ears on his television when he indicated it was a xwranny video. i've seen the video numerous times. it is not a grainy video. and clearly this is an unbelievable piece of evidence that completely smashes to smithereens a defense argument that he was apparently battered and bruised and had his head slammed against the cement. it's ridiculous. it's absurd. i don't know what's going on
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over there with that police department. i've worked with fantastic detectives and homicide detectives here in ft. lauderdale. and there must be some kind of mickey mouse operation going on over there or maybe the proximity world to disany world chains it. and this is not what you would expect from a homicide investigation. there is no defense from this video. it blows it away that will is some kind of battered and bruising. we all don't have to be rocket scientists to recognize that this person is not severely injured. he wasn't taken immediately to the hospital by the police department which would be police training 101. that condition happen here. >> when you combine that with the fact last night we heard the mother of a young witness say that the lead investigator thought this was not self-defense. listen. as the investigators communicated with you in arranging and talking to you around the interview of your
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son, did they tell you whether they felt this was self defense or pot? >> the lead investigator from the sanford police department stood in my family room and told me this was absolutely not self-defense and they needed to prove it. he told me, and i'm paraphrasing, but read between the lines, there is stereotype g i inging for on here. >> when you have a witness saying that the lead investigator told her it was not self-defense, you have no injuries that are apparent in this tape, this seems that this is his only basis of defense. >> the last couple day, they're moving it toward the likelihood of charges being filed. special prosecutor still needs to make sure this is a authorize he row, precise investigation.
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when you look at the fact that the first time apparently got bungled, she wants to make sure that everything is done exactly right this time. and it needs to be. it's much more important to get it done right than to get it done fast. and she has to make sure that whatever her charging decision is not seen as a product of public outcry, not a response to the fact that there is a public that wants to see charges brought but a you la enforcement's judgment that she's looked at everything and the right thing to do is to bring criminal charges against george zimmerman. >> 911 calls showed zimmerman was not scared, he kept pursuing even though he was told not to. listen to this. >> these [ bleep ] always get away. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> we don't need you to do that. >> now, you combine that with the call from trayvon's girlfriend who says he was being
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chased and doesn't that pretty much put the self-defense strategy out of the window? >> i think it does. it certainly doesn't look good. and when he says on tape that they always get away, he was going to make sure that he was not going to get away and that he continued to pursue him. we have a stand your ground law in florida which is a horrible law, but the stand your ground law also applies in this situation that i can see to the victim, to the child in this case. he didn't come to a gunfight armed with a bag of skittles. he's going home and all of a sudden the person pursuing him armed with a loaded firearm is the person that is now claiming the use of this law. it's really obscene to me. quite frankly, about there was a shooting and somebody was dead and the police got to this scene and they found somebody who is acting irrational or crazy, they wouldn't say now we're not going make an arrest because he must be insane.
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there was of there was probable cause, an arrest should have been made at the scene and hopefully the special prosecutor will do the right thing, do a thorough investigation, and then make the appropriate arrest and bring this case to trial. now, kendall, we also have a report that the funeral director who prepared trayvon's 17-year-old body says that the bed had no cuts or bruises on his hands or knuckles to support the claim that he fought with zimmerman. >> well, that's huge, frankly. but if there's no physical evidence and there's going to be thorough forensic testing now, should have happened before, but hopefully it will all happen now, then that becomes yet another fact that weighs heavily against a self-defense claim. these are not easy cases.
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what this prosecutor has the spirit in the backbone to recognize, if a case is righteous, you bring the prosecution even if it's in the easy. because that's what the system demands. that's what justice demands. that's what the victims deserve. >> let me come back to you in a minute. self defense. he will use we assume the stand your ground law. but even jeb bush who signed into law says it doesn't apply here, others say it doesn't apply, even though i on record disagree with this law, i don't see how anyone could have claimed stand your ground but trayvon martin that night. >> i agree. and the stand your ground law is a horrible piece of legislation. it basically takes what's called the castle doctrine where it f. somebody comes in come your home, you get to shoot first and ask questions later. and it extends it to everywhere outside on the street. well, the person using that law here or the police department
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claiming that that law applies to the shooter is taking a person who was pursuing in the role of a citizen watch and he wasn't watching. he clearly was armed with a firearm, a lethal weapon and he was pursuing even though he was told by the 911 operator not to pursue. so i don't see how you can va d validly claim a swelf-defense argument under the stand your ground that you. in fact i think the stand your ground law supports trayvon martin and the vehicle tip. he had 9 right to stand his ground in someone who was stalking him and defend himself. >> ken, kendall, thank you for joining me. ahead, a closer look at the person who will make a key decision on the arrest in this case. special prosecutor angela curry. [ artis brown ] america is facing some tough challenges right now.
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welcome back to politics nation. there's one overwhelming question now in the trayvon martin case. will we see an arrest for george zimmerman? that decision rests in the hands of one person. special prosecutor angela corey.
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"the miami herald" reports she said she could make the decision without the grand jury, which is scheduled to convene on april 10th. she said, quote, i foresee us being able to make a decision and move on it on our own. but when? on monday, just four days after taking over the case, corey asked the public for patience as the office investigates. >> that young man deserves justice. his parents deserve answers and we're going to make sure that they both get that. we're going to take as much time as we need to find out every fact and circumstance. >> joining me now is joe madison, host of mornings with madison on sirius xm radio. also joining me is beverly mcclain of jacksonville, florida. she run as suppos a support gro families of murder victims and is a friend of angela corey. thanks for both of you for being
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here tonight. joe, isn't it time for an arrest? >> absolutely. you're 100% right. it is time for an arrest. and given the evidence and the discussion you have had previously to this discussion, this segment, it's very clear. and one of the concerns that the attorneys have expressed about a grand jury that people should know is that, one, grand juries are secretive. so someone can actually put on a weak case and we would never know who the grand jury members are, we would never know what was said inside that grand jury room. and they could clean their hands. the third part of it is that the makeup of the jury pool if sanford is not as diverse as we would want to be. so you've got that problem. and it is time for an arrest. enough is enough of the lies.
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>> let me ask you, ms. mcclain. you know angela corey from your victims rights group. you've sbinteracted with her on murder cases. when joe talks about the prosecutor presenting a weak case, just from your working and dealing with her on victims cases, what would you say is her commitment to victims if she's convinced they're victims? >> she's going to do the right thing. number one, she's going to do the right thing. angela corey has a concern and a passion for victims. and we know we're standing with her, whatever decision comes, but i know she's going to do the right thing. >> now, when you say she's going to did to the right thing and ts where the evidence takes her -- >> that's right. >> she took the case exactly a week ago. based on your own experience with her, is it going to be a -- is she a swift moving prosecutor or is she more methodical and
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going to take a longer time? >> she'll take her time and get the answers. she's going to do her job. >> now, let me go to angela corey on a jacksonville case where the shooter is claiming self-defense, quote, we have charged that man and he's claiming self-defense, claiming he was in fear. we charged him, and if he fights it on stand your ground, we're going to fight back. so she has stood up against people that used this, joe, if she felt that they should use it. does that encourage those of us that think this is misapplied here, joe? >> i think we should be encouraged. and i don't want to give the impression that i'm bee purging her reputation. i'm talking about the process. and i think that what we want is her topurging her reputation. i'm talking about the process. and i think that what we want is her to prosecute this in the open. that's what i'm really saying. versus a grand jury. because once again, you don't
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know who the jury is. you will never know who the jury members are. so my concern is that if it's going to be prosecuted, let's -- see, you know what we want, we want to see him handcuffed, charged, in jail, and arrested and then we're not looking for revenge. we are looking for justice. >> and that's all we've asked from the beginning. and our call for arrest was that there was probable cause, let it be tried before a judge and a jury, not in a courtroom. let me come back to you, though, beverly. angela corey's resume shows someone that is not necessarily one way or another. she's a republican. elected state attorney in 2008. endorsed as aggressive and tough by local sheriffs. well-known for prosecuting a 12-year-old as an adult in a murder case. so it doesn't say she would be
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leaning anyway toward public pressure certainly from those of us that consider ourselves progressive. but if she's tough on crime, we think the crime is clearly here with the tapes. so this could go either way. >> angela is going to stand her ground. she's going it on to do the rig thing and she'll get the facts and she's going to do what she got to do. that's the angela corey i know. >> all right. joe, let me go back to you. when you and i -- when i first got the call from the family and attorney to get involved and you got involved, it was not known nationally that well many of the things that was done that you and i were involved in helped to bring it to the national forefront. now it is considered by one poll the biggest story in the country. therefore, what is the national impact from the result of this case some when you have the pew report saying 5% of the american public is watching this case
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more than the elections or the economy, the ramifications of this case will be widespread on cases like this that, frankly, we fought to many years. >> and what we're finding across this country, we're probably going to have to go to a place like dayton, ohio where we just talked about a case this morning. young man shot there 22 times by two security guards and it's possible a hate crime because the car caught fire and allegedly the security guards said let the inn burn. >> it's got to stop. >> it's got to stop. this is what's going to happen. >> and i don't care whether the victims are black or latino or white. >> that's right. >> gays or lesbians. it has to stop. >> it has to stop. >> joe mad did i sisonmadison, , thank you for your time tonight. do you have anything for a headache...like excedrin...
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finally tonight, justice, not hate. back this january of 1991, i was leading a march in brooklyn, new york for 16-year-old boy who had been shot and killed in a hate crime. i was stabbed in the chest just to the left of my heart. later i for gave my attacker, i asked for leniency for him and even visited him in prison. i out about that today when i heard some of george zimmerman's father, what he told a local tv station in florida. >> i guess he would have preferred my son being dead today. i never foresaw so much hate coming from the president, the congressional black caucus, naacp, every organization imaginable is trying to get notoriety or profit from this in some way. but there's so much hate. >> no, we don't come with hate.
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we come with love, a love that says that we must love the country enough to make sure that the trayvons of this country are treated just like george 1i78 r zimmerman is treated. we must have one equal protection under the law practice that works for everyone. it's love. many of us have said and done things we have found to be wrong. but when our lives was on the line, when we faced what was an attack on us, we learned that only love will sustain you. i look at that wound every morning, mr. vzimmerman, and that's what motivates me because i know what hate can do. and i come to stand on this case and many of us because we love this country must have enough t it. if you love something, you make better. if you just want to use it, you

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