due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> give me respect and courtesy of a human being and not an animal. >> a killer of corrections officer seeks to be freed from 16 years of solitary confinement. struggle to father their kids from behind prison walls. but one cut off from visits with his son is on a razor's edge. >> i've been hurt a lot. i seek revenge for that.

>> all ye holy gods. >> a convicted murderer seeks legitimatesy for a religion prison officials suspect is a front for white supremacist gangs. and we've turned our cameras over to the inmates to share personal thoughts in the privacy of themselves. >> wabash, lockup extended stay. welcome to the belly of the beast. >> hate wabash, you know what i mean? they make sure you know you're in prison every day. >> who wants to be locked in a room with another man for 1 hours a day? then three of the half hours that we come out is to go get the worst food you've ever ate

in your life. i don't even know how they call it food. >> everyday things people take for granted we would cherish right now. >> wabash valley correctional facility. a maximum security prison on the western edge of indiana. the centerpiece of the rural town of carlisle. the inmate population of nearly 2,200 outnumbers local resident 4-1. many of indiana's most violent offenders are sent here. >> the approximate breakdown for offenders that have committed serious offenses against the person which may be murder, voluntary manslaughter, battery, assault, is approximately 35% to 40% of our offender population. >> the most violent of these offenders are housed in single person cells 23 hours a day in the secured confinement unit. >> 1205. >> few, however, are more

notorious that leonard who's spent 16 years here. >> he's escorted. two-man. he's by himself. he doesn't get to rec with the other people. his activities are kind of limited. it's all just by himself. that unit is designed for people like mccoy. everybody in there knows his history. >> the most infamous chapter of his history occurred when he was serving time at indiana state prison 17 years earlier. that's when he stabbed a corrections officer to death. >> we approached him from the front. reports. stabbed him one time in the front chest area which actually broke a rib he stabbed him with such force. the sound of it targeted another staff member that was one range over to respond and when he responded he actually observed the second stab to the back. according to the reports, before the officer actually died, they said that he told them he didn't know if he was going to make it or not and mccoy is the one who actually had stabbed him.

>> at the time, he was serving 20 years for sexual battery. he was sentenced to an additional 60 years after being found guilty of murdering the officer. despite the eyewitness accounts, he still proclaims his innocence. >> it's been a long ride, but i maintain my balance and my mental health. >> mcquay will soon reach a milestone. his time in confinement is about to surpass the years he spent free in the outside world. >> you know how sometime you can be in an environment like this and a person begins to see you as a mad dog. like every chance you get, you're just going to lose control or you're going to snap at somebody and that's not me. >> periodically, mcquay files

requests to be moved back to general population where he would have considerably more privileges. >> i still believe that leonard mcquay has an ulterior motive. >> the first person he needs to win over is the administrative segregation case manager, beverly gilmore. >> so we're notarizing what here, buddy? >> we all get along with leonard. he's very, very likable. very charismatic. just so friendly, but he's so overly friendly. it's so fake. it's not for real. >> since coming to wabash, mcquay has been involved in several incidents that have enforced his violent reputation. >> a few years ago mcquay was on the rec pad and asked for a basketball and when they went to hand a basketball, he actually come through the door and pushed his way through and began assaulting a couple of the staff members. and several staff responded

along with myself and there was about six of us finally to restrain him and get him down on the ground and get him in cuffs. >> sometime emotionally it can push you over the edge. sometime you can regret after becoming so emotional the things that you do. especially when you know that one action can result in a lifetime of misery. >> mcquay says he's had a spiritual awakening since converting to islam. >> it's a reflection of a new person, of a new man, a changed man. >> mcquay is not the only inmate at wabash valley who said he's fwoen through a spiritual transformation since coming to prison. marcus murray is the self-proclaimed gothi or priest of a little known dramatic pegan religion.

>> asatru is the pre-christian religion of northern europeans. >> holy gods. greater and lesser sons. hear me now. your son of brig. >> asatru has proven popular among predominantly white inmates in prisons nationwide. murray says he discovered it shortly after coming to wabash 11 years earlier. he's serving a 60-year sentence for beating another man to death and says asatru which worships nordic gods helps him come to grips with the murder. his many prison tattoos are symbols of his faith. >> they're all oriented, as you can tell, viking age is a large portion of asatru study viking age history. >> but prison officials have begun to see asatru as something

else. a front for white supremacist gangs. members have been allowed to hold services at some prisons, but wabash has banned such gatherings. >> the white supremacy gang members are using services to have their gang members within the services itself. it's been quite disruptive at these other facilities. >> murray denies any ties to right supremacist gangs and has decided to file a grievance to appeal the ban on asatru group meetings. >> it is not a gang. it does not promote gang mentality or any criminal elements at all. it's a religion based on virtue and knowledge. >> the ban also hasn't stopped murray from recruitinglatest, w >> marks has been teaching me about what the hammer means, what the different gods and goddesses are.

>> jones who also denies being a white supremacist came to wabash three years ago at age 18. he was sentenced to six years for burglary. >> i was hanging out with the wrong people and i strung out on drugs and broke into a house and took a tv and bunch of other little items like a tattoo gun, took them and sold them for drugs. >> the house he robbed was his father's. >> my dad called the police. he was like, i strongly believe it was my son, junior. and it killed him to it. >> jones said he would like to rebuild a relationship with his father, and will soon have the chance. he leaves prison on parole in one week. >> you're not enjoying the weather, are you? why would you enjoy the weather, man? you get to enjoy all that when you go home next week. next thursday. >> he wants to be influenced

because he's still being molded as a man. you know, he's still a kid and he's turning into somebody. >> delivering papers. >> no, that's just temporary. just long enough for me to find a real job. >> okay, i'm just, i'm glad you have aspirations. >> what the hell does that mean? coming up -- >> i got a $100 bill tattooed on my -- >> two cell mates at a cross roads. i'm asking you, to open your heart. >> leonard mcquay tries to rehab his image. >> i treat him with respect, but i do not trust him. with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price.

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can't say i've always been the best for them. matter of fact their lives probably would have been a lot better without me in it. >> the wabash valley correctional facility is isolated among miles of corn and soybean fields in southwestern indiana. some of the state's most violent inmates are housed here and they've been known to hurt each other. james stone has been in prison for the past 25 years for attempted murder and he's had more than a few scrapes in that time. while some inmates create knives out of toothbrushes or anything else, several years ago stone was at another prison, he devised a more unique weapon. >> the cheese graters was leather work gloves that i had that i took pads off welding gloves, the inside welding

glove, took the pads off them, put varnish, dipped them in the varnish, put the pads on top of the varnish, let it dry for a moment until it got good and tack tacky, dripped back down in the varnish, went to the drill press where the curly cues are. metal curly cues. i dipped down in a bunch of them so it looked like a metal bush on my gloves. let them dry for a minute and ran them through the top layer of the varnish in the can to keep them from breaking off and let them dry on your hands while your hands stayed balled up. and once they dried, they last forever. every time you hit someone it's like taking cheese through a cheese grater. it's not pretty. it's like making slaw. >> among the population are two young cellies. once boyhood friends on the inside, they now rely on each other for survival in the

inside. >> we met at different places when hung out when we was -- >> 13 or 14 at the latest. maybe 12. >> robbie mcanalley is serving six years for armed robbery and no stranger to prison. >> i will be 23 in a couple days. and with parole violations, altogether, i've came to prison five times. ain't none of it been for a long time, but if i keep coming, eventually it's going to be and i don't want that. i don't have nobody out there. i wish i had some place to go. i wish i could get on my feet and get a job and live life productively. i don't want to keep coming here. this ain't for me. my bro is going the help me stay out, though. >> you hear me? you already know. >> unlike his boyhood friend who has been in and out of prison five times this is bradley napier's first time behind the walls but as a juvenile he was twice placed on house arrest.

now he is serving 16 years for burglary and criminal gang activity. >> when i heard my sentence i was crying. at 18 getting 16 years, you know, it seemed like forever. it seemed like i ain't never getting out. you know? but we got a good relationship. we talk to each other crazy. smack each other around when nobody's looking. >> it don't matter. it's always right good all afterwards. >> even though mcallaney and napier are from the same hometown their lives in prison would make it seem like they are from different sides of the tracks. >> his it have is an older model and my tv is one of the flat screen they just started selling. it's expensive but a bigger picture. you know what i mean? everything in here is ours.

you know what i mean? it's not -- whatever's mine is his, whatever his is mine. that's the way we live. you know what i mean? >> thanks to support from his family, napier also has more money to spend on commissary snacks so once a week he loads up for both himself and mcannaley. >> he eats half of everything. oh, man, he needs to carry half of everything. robby! rob. damn, [ bleep ]. why would you just grab that? >> all commissary goes in one box. we both eat out of it. he opportunity have a lot of things going for him that i have so it's hard for him to stay on the right path. >> one thing that he does have is an abundance tattoos. >> i got these praying hands for my dad. that's my mom's name in the

heart. honor thy mother, honor thy father. i got my south side done, my neighborhood where i'm from. over here is moneybags, naked girls. everybody likes naked girls and money. that is all clowns up there. there aren't too much meaning behind those. >> don't you got a $100 bill? >> i do have a $100 bill tattoo. >> where is that at? >> that's crazy, bro. i got a $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> what do you tell the girls about that, man? >> i mean, it's money to blow. >> the imagery on mcannaley's body only tells part of the story. it's pictures he keeps tucked away in a photo album that tell the rest. >> how often do you look that? >> every day. >> he hasn't seen his son, 3-year-old robbie iii in more than two years. he has had a contentious relationship with his son's mother.

>> since i got back to prison, me and her got into it, i came back to prison and i ain't seen him at all. it has been 26 months ago. >> napier is the father of a young boy, 2-year-old bradley jr. >> this is what he sent me for my birthday. there's another little thing that came with it he colored on and put stickers all over. it's my world. it's my whole life. >> like other aspects of napier's and mcallaney's friendships, their relationships to their sons are marked by a have and have not quality. unlike mcanalley, napier enjoys regular visits with his child. >> i wouldn't be able to go through what he's going through not seeing my son. >> there ain't no reason to be behind 26 months. >> that's just how it is. we're in two different places. >> while mcanalley is longing for a visit with his son, markus murray has been playing father figure and teaching his asatru religious beliefs to williams

jones jr. joins is only two days away from leaving prison on parole and murray says he hopes asatru will help keep him from returning to prison. >> when you are hanging at the house and you have bills to pay and somebody comes over and offer you the opportunity for you to make a little bit of easy cash, you know, go rob something, things go bad. things break bad. people get involved and people come out with shotguns and you get killed. you end up being another justin. another heartbreak i have to deal with. >> not going to die. >> i've been through this before. i've had friends of mine that i have taken under my wing, youngsters that get out before i do anyway and they get out there and they mess meup. i lost a friend six years ago, justin, he got shot by a police officer in indianapolis. i feel like i failed him. >> i promise you, i will send

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[ speaking foreign language ] every day islamic prayers can be heard drifting from the cell of leonard mcquay at the wabash valley correctional facility in indiana. >> five times a day it's mandatory for muslims all over the world five times a day. >> mcquay is serving 60 years for the murder of a corrections officer at another indiana state

prison 16 years earlier. since then, he's been in administrative segregation at wabash's secured confinement unit. >> the holy koran, read this every day. >> mcquay says his koran has helped him grow spiritually, other books in his cell have helped him grow physically. >> this is what i call my weight bag where i every day i do me some curls, right? i do these. i do shrugs. what they call shrugs. what they call shrugs. do these. back arms like this. like this. this is probably about -- probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> mcquay has spent years trying to learn his way back to general population. but his history as a violent offender continues to haunt him. >> i basically engaged in what i considered an emotional response

to being disrespected. >> i was warned when i came into this job regarding offender leonard mcquay. leonard's very smart. very, very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> though caseworker beverly gilmore has raised serious questions about mcquay's trust worthiness, her goal is to give segregation inmates an opportunity to prove themselves. so she recently made a controversial decision. after mcquay successfully completed a prison life skills program she gave him a job in his housing unit. >> i did make him a sanitation worker. now, that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought that i had lost my mind. i would never, they say, let him get out of his cell. and i said, let's give him a chance. i talked to leonard i say one

time, buddy, i see you passing a scrap of paper to another offender, you will be without your job. and we are watching him probably more closely than we are any, at least this miss gilmore is, because i've got something to prove because i think he can do it. >> change is gauged by behavior. if you are actually changing, your behavior must change and i believe my behavior has changed. >> mcquay hopes that a positive job performance will win him his transfer and his fate will be determined at his next review less than a week away. >> the bottom line is, i'm still somebody that deserves respect, to be treated like a human being and if it's given to me, i'll give it. treat me like a human being, give me the respect and courtesy of a human being and not an animal, and you'll receive the same. coming up, an asatru follower speaks out of turn.

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problems behind the walls. >> wabash valley has approximately 43 different gangs, approximately around 400 different gang members. now, that doesn't reflect all of our suspect eed members. those are all confirmed members. we have approximately somewhere between 200 to 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divided along racial lines. but the majority of gang members here belong to white supremacist gangs like the aryan brotherhood and the saxon knights. prison officials suspect a growing religious group known as asatru might be a front for white supremacist gangs. markus murray, one of the leaders at wabash, denies that. >> there has never been anything in my studies that says one race is more dominant over another or one culture more dominant over another nor one religion

dominant over another. asatru believers believe that our religion is fine, your religion is fine. >> guy ratliff who has been practicing asatru for several years here says there is one group who is not welcome. >> if we found out somebody in the asatru was a child molester, he would be banned from the community. he cannot participate. it's a bylaw. you cannot be a sex offender. >> he, who uses another accepted pronunciation of the group's name also defended the fact some members have swastikas tattooed on their body. >> the swastika was around long before adolf hitler come along, okay? now, i don't have nothing against uncle adolf, but he took something from my religion which was a sun wheel and made it part of his party. it goes back to ancient

civilizations. they had a swastika in persia way before national socialism came along. >> while rat cliff defended asatru, his comments disturbed murray who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you just made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> damn it, i tried to talk to you about this, i swear i did. sorry, markus. i [ bleep ] up. sorry. i apologize. d damn it. try not to get mad at me, man. you sank my boat. >> later we told murray we recorded his exchange with ratliff and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little mad. he didn't mean any harm. he just -- just ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles

you know, and i think now that he has seen, you know, that it upset me and knows that it's not really how we do business, i think he's changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison officials. he will soon have a hearing with administrators to appeal their ban on group worship services among asatru members and have it removed from the list of security threat groups. robbie mcanalley faces a different challenge. he not only feels isolated from his childhood son, but from his boyhood friend who happens to be his cell mate. >> my celly is a great [ bleep ] dude and i have known him for years but i mean i got my problems that i ain't seen my son in two years and [ bleep ] he gets to trip and act like he knows how i feel and stressing

hard or not, when he don't see his son for a week. he gets visits every week. it's everything that's possible to get in here he's got it and i'm in here [ bleep ] up. >> mcanalley serving six years for armed robbery wears his frustration in prison ink. >> that says vengeance. i've had a lot of wrong done to me. i've been hurt a lot. and i seek revenge for that. i had a lot of animosity built up when i got it. i'm hoping i can let things go now for my sake and my son's sake. ain't worth it to come back to prison over. >> he points to another tattoo as the source of his frustration. >> the mother of my child. i'm kind of mad at her that she is holding my son from me. >> that could be changing. a recent letter and her submission of a visitation request are indications that she's planning to bring mcanalley's son to visit him.

>> this is not the first time. i mean i'm not going to get my hopes up. the last time i seen him he couldn't walk at all, couldn't talk, nothing. i can't wait to see him. >> while mcanalley clings to the hope that he will see his son. his cell mate, napier, is enjoying a visit with his 2-year-old son, junior, and his son's mother, jessica corn. >> touchdown. >> say touchdown. >> bradley talks about his dad all the time. when we pull up and he sees that guard tower, taddy's house. inside, you're like, great, he sees a guard tower and razor wires and thinks of his dad. in another sentence, that is his dad's house and he's excited to see him. >> this type of one-on-one between an inmate and child is rare in most maximum security prisons where visits take place in a launch large common area

choked with noise and distractions. but napier's session is in a private playroom, part of the prison's fatherhood program. >> the fatherhood program is great, man, because i get to spend a lot more time with my son. i get to come in this visiting room. in this visiting room, everything's great. it's one-on-one. me and him running around and playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the program's coordinator. joshua cullens. >> they have a responsibility is what we're trying to teach them, even though they're in prison, that doesn't give them a copout not to be a dad. >> oh, my gosh. >> you're okay, buddy. get up. >> come on. he hit his head. let me kiss it. let me kiss it. let's let daddy kiss it. say, kiss it. >> you'll be all right. >> you're beast mode. say i'm beast mode. daddy's beast mode? >> glad to see you mr. napier. go ahead and have a seat.

>> following each visit, napier undergoes a review. >> let's talk about bradley crying. >> i think, you know, when he starts crying i tell him, bradley, get up, you're fine. he's raised by a whole bunch of women, you know? little boys raised by a whole bunch of women get babied. i don't want my son growing up getting babied all the time. i want him to have toughness about him because the world's tough, you know what i mean? get up, you have to go on anyway. >> i understand where you're coming from. i want to give you a suggestion. it's okay for him to cry and for you to say that he's okay and address the situation and move on. it kind of seemed that some of your patterns came from just a quick fix and get him on to something else. so he stops what he's doing. it's okay to acknowledge he's crying and find out why he's crying and move on from that. you understand what i'm saying? >> i fully understand. >> appreciate you coming in. >> thank you. >> no problem. >> i like to hear insight on

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over wabash valley correctional facility most of the 2200 convicted felons housed here will treat it as one more routine day of incarceration. but not william jones jr. today after three years he's going home. >> how do you feel today? >> nervous. i'm happy to leave, but it sucks to have to leave people in here. >> the one inmate he hates to leave behind is close friend and spirit chum mentor, markus murray, who's serving 60 years for murder. >> what's up, man? >> going to be hard, dude. >> you're going to miss me. you know it. >> i'm not going to miss you. >> oh, man. be cool, man. all right? >> while jones spends his final moments in prison just outside

the walls, his older brother, casey, and casey's family arrive to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i'm glad i get to pick him up and not leave him here. i have been here like eight different times and have to leave him here. it was hard. >> have a good one. >> appreciate it. >> good luck. stay out of here. >> good luck, man. >> feels different. i guess there is nothing like walking out of prison, i guess. >> all right. >> being in jail is not real cool. i don't like it. >> in there. what's your name? >> jones. >> here's your clothes. >> thank you. >> get you your property and we'll escort you out of here. releasing one from gate two.

let's go. be right with you, ma'am. come along, billy, run to me. >> don't come back. i don't want to see you any more. >> i ain't coming back. >> one step at a time, sir. >> nice to see you. a bit normal? good to be home? >> it's good to be home. >> let me do the honors. >> man. >> cigarette's in the car. >> can't have it right now. >> take a picture. >> hold it up. >> finally. >> all right. >> everybody in. >> while jones savors his first

moments of freedom back inside wabash leonard mcquay fights for a different kind of freedom. he has a review hearing with his case manager to determine if he's ready to be released back into general population from administrative segregation, the only world he's known for the past 16 years. >> you're going all the way out with it, ain't you? with the leash and all. >> the prospect of mcquay, the killer of a corrections officer, being released back into general population, naturally has some staff on edge. >> offender mcquay he comes off as a very well spoken polite individual. that being said he has the conduct history with assault on staff and the murder charge on a staff member of a previous facility. even though he comes across as a polite individual, you always have to keep that in mind when you're dealing with him. >> they so evil, they so

barbaric, putting all the chains on that guy like that. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect but i do not trust him. >> the last time mcquay had a review with his case manager, beverly gilmore, she approved his request for a job. he hopes he can now persuade her that he's ready for general population. >> hi, mr. mcquay. >> how are you? >> i'm all right, miss g. how you be? i have my presentation for my review. >> mr. mcquay, what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population? >> i've engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a retrospective look not only at my past violent behavior and my new more humbled progressive behavior and i believe that i've made some

significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> all right. leonard, you talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we to be assured that you actually soaked this in and believe it down to the bone marrow? >> i'm asking you, ms. gilmore and i'm asking the administration here to open your hearts and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes, who has come back from the grave. i'm a new man. and the only way that this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please give me a chance. that's all i need. i won't let them done. ms. gilmore. >> i will summarize that in a statement. thank you. thank you, mr. mcquay. >> they got reason to be

concerned because of, you know, prior incidents associated with me. and the only way that they can see that i'm not only a changed man but i'm ready to do something different with my life is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance. and that's what i'm hoping for. s coming up, markus murray defends asatru. >> you have a salute like a lot of white supremacists do. >> no, sir. and a decision is handed down on leonard mcquay. this is delicious okay... is this where we're at now? we just eat whatever tastes good? like these sweet honey clusters... actually there's a half a day's worth of fiber in every ... why stop at cereal? bring on the pork chops and the hot fudge. fantastic. are you done sweetie? yea [ male announcer ] fiber one.

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>> robbie mcanalley has been in prison for a little more than two years and all that time he hasn't had a single visit with his 3-year-old son. recent contact with the child's mother had given him hope that a visit might be imminent, but now the child's mother represented in a tattoo on mcanalley's arm has changed her plans. >> man, [ bleep ] that -- all she been talking about for the last 2 1/2 months is i'm going to bring trey down there now all of a sudden she is too busy. i'm going to turn her into a clown, bro. >> don't do that. >> i will turn her into a clown. >> he loves that girl. >> i love the [ bleep ] out of her but she ain't worth the [ bleep ]. >> later mcanalley revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child has not followed through on visits. he said it was an incident that happened before he returned to

prison. something he rarely talks about. >> it was a domestic battery and i haven't seen him since then. yeah. that's the last time i seen him was the night that that happened. >> mcanalley can only accept the consequences of his actions and do little to control developments with those he's left behind on the outside. but today, markus murray is hoping to make a big change on the inside. >> how you doing? >> he filed a grievous to have asatru removed from the list of security threat groups or gangs. today security threat coordinator and assistant superintendent have granted murray a hearing on the matter. >> if you were in a leadership position and saw someone come into your community or services with ill will or intent to participate in a security threat group activity what would your

take be? >> to come. it's a sacred place. if one person is sick in the group then we're all sick. and if you're in the community, you have a say, and if it's anything that's kind of troefl, it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate on that a little bit? >> let's say that somebody had an idea for how we salute each other. >> you say salute. are you talking about greeting someone? >> like a handshake or something. like as a fraternity people like to set themselves apart. >> you stated that you or your community have a greeting that you referred to as a salute. could you show me what that refers to? >> no, i never said that. >> no. >> oh, you mean like we say something, we say something that says hello and good health. >> you are not referring to a gesture. >> no.

>> a hand or body language or anything like that. like a lot of white supremacists do with the hitler salute. >> no, sir. >> i guess i have one major question here. what is your input on other races joining your community? >> we will discriminate against no one regardless of race, gender, sex, creed, national ty, origin, or of their religion. we won't discriminate against that. >> you have a minority in the leadership role? >> no, we haven't. >> if that opportunity arose would that be allowed? >> yes, it would. >> do you have any questions? >> no, not today. >> markus, do you have questions for us? >> no, i don't. >> thank you. >> a final decision could be weeks off. but the wait is over for leonard mcquay. prison officials have denied his request to be moved back to general population. >> he seems like he has everything in the world going for him, but when you really sit down and really listen, off the

unit, when he thinks that you can't hear him talking, some of the things he talks about negative toward staff, when a staff person was assaulted by another offender in another cell house, he was applauding. that is a telltale sign he's not ready to go into the general population. >> i don't want to lose my mind on a unit like this. i don't want to physically begin to deteriorate where i can't get no help. so i'm saying i want to actually be given an opportunity to do something progressive with my life. back here in solitary confinement, i can't do that.