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>> i have been hurt a lot and seek revenge for that. >> a convicted murderer seeks legitimacy for a religion that the prison suspects is a aryan brotherhood. and we turn the cameras over to the inmates themselves. >> wabash, extended stay. welcome to the belly of the beast. hate wabash, you know what i mean. they make sure that you know you are in prison eh day. >> who wants to be locked in a room with another man 19 hours a day. taken three and a half hours we

come out is to go get the worst food you ever ate in your life? i don't know how they call it food. >> every day things that people take for grant wed cherish right now. >> wabash valley correctional facility. a maximum security prison on the western edge of indiana, the center piece of the rural town of carlisle. the inmate population of 2200 outnumbers local residents four to one. many of indiana's most violent offenders are sent here. >> the break down for offenders who have committed serious offenses against a person, murder, vehicular manslaughter, battery, assault is 35 to 40% of the population. >> the most violent are housed in single-person cells 23 hours a day in the secured confinement unit. >> 1205. >> few however are more notorious than leonard mcquay

who spent 16 years here. >> he is escorted anywhere he goes by staff. he is cuffed behind the back. his recreation is solitary by himself. his activities are limited by himself. that unit is designed for people like mcquay. everybody knows his history. >> the most infamous chapter occurred at indiana state prison 17 years earlier. that's when he stabbed a corrections officer to death. >> we approached him from the front. stabbed him one time in the front chest area which broke a rib he stabbed him with such force. the sound targeted a staff member who was one range over to respond and he observed the second stab to the back according to the reports. before the officer died they said he told them he didn't know if he was going to make it or not and that mcquay is the one

who stabbed him. >> mcquay was serving 20 years for sexual battery and sentenced to 60 more years after the murder of the officers. mcquay still proclaims his innocence. >> it's been a long ride. but thanks to a lot that i maintained my balance and mental health. mcquay will soon reach a milestone. his time-out in confinement is about to surpass the years he spent free in the outside world. >> you know how sometimes you can be in an environment like this and a person begins to see you as a mad dog. every chance you get you are going to lose control or snap on somebody. that's not me.

>> periodically he files requests to be moved back to general population where he would have more privileges. >> i still believe that leonard mcquay has an ulterior motive. >> the person he needs to win over is beverly. >> we are notarizing what? >> we all get along with leonard. he is very, very likable and charismatic. just so friendly but so overly friendly. it's so fake. it's not for real. >> since coming to wabash he has been involved in several incidents that enforced his violent reputation. >> he was on the rec pad and he asked for a basketball and when they went to hand the basketball he actually come through the door and pushed his way through and began assaulting a couple of

the staff members and several staff responded along with myself and there was about six of us finally to restrain him and get him down on the ground and get him in cuffs. >> sometimes emotionalism can push you over the edge. sometimes you can regret after becoming so emotional the things that you do especially when you know that one action can result in a lifetime of misery. >> but mcquay says he has had a spiritual awakening since converting to islam. >> it's a reflection of a new person and a new man, a changed man. >> he is not the only inmate at wabash valley who has gone through a spiritual transformation since coming to prison. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> marcus murray is a self proclaimed priest of a little known germanic pagan religion. >> [ speaking foreign language ].

>> it is the pre-christian religion of northern europeans. >> hear me now your son of [ indiscernible ]. >> it is popular among predominantly white inmates in prisons nationwide. he discovered it 11 years earlier. he is serving a 60 year sentence for beating another man to death and says that the religion has helped him come to grips with the murder. his pendant and prison tattoos are symbols of his faith. >> they are all norse oriented, viking age is a large portion of the religion.

>> but prison officials have begun to see it as something else, a front for white supremacist gangs. wabash has banned gatherings. >> the white supremacists are using it to have the gang meetings in the services itself and it has been disrupt everybody at other facilities. >> murray denies ties to white supremacist gangs and wants to appeal the ban on the meetings. >> it is not a gang or promote gang mentality or criminal elements at all. it's a religion based on virtue and knowledge. >> the ban hasn't stopped murray from recruiting new members. his latest william jones, jr. >> marcus has been teaching me about what the hammer means and what the gods and goddesses are.

>> jones, who also denies being a white supremacist came to wabash three years ago at age 18. he was sentenced to six years for burglary. >> hanging out with the wrong people and strung out on drugs and broke into a house. and took a tv and a bunch of little items like a that a gun and took them and sold them for drugs. >> the house he robbed was his father's. >> my father was like i strongly believe it was my son. >> jones would lying to rebuild a relationship with his father and will soon have a chance. he leaves prison on parole in one week. >> you're not enjoying the weather are you? >> no. >> why would you enjoy the weather, man? you can enjoy that when you go home next week. >> next thursday.

>> he wants to be influenced. because he's still being molded as a man. you know he's still a kid and he's turning into somebody. >> delivering papers? >> that is just temporary until i can find a real job. >> i'm glad you have aspirations. >> what the hell does that mean? >> coming up? >> i have a $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> two cell mates are at a crossroads. >> and later. >> i'm asking you to open your heart. >> leonard mcquay tries to rehab his image. >> i treat him with respect but i do not trust him.

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been spending a lot of time away from me. can't say i've always been the best for them. matter of fact their lives probably would have been a lot better without me in it. >> the wabash valley correctional facility is isolated among miles of corn and soybean fields in southwestern indiana. some of the state's most violent inmates are housed here and they've been known to hurt each other. james stone has been in prison for the past 25 years for attempted murder and he's had more than a few scrapes in that time. while some inmates create knives out of toothbrushes or anything else, several years ago stone devised a more unique weapon. >> the cheese graters was leather work gloves that i had

that i took pads off welding gloves, the inside welding gloves, dipped them in varnish and put pads on top of the varnish and dripped back down in the varnish and went to the drill press where the curly cues are. i dipped down in a bunch of them so it looked like a metal bush on my gloves. let them dry for a minute and ran them through the top layer of the varnish in the can to keep them from breaking off and let them dry on your hands while your hands are balled up. once they dry they last forever. every time you hit someone it's like taking cheese through a cheese grater. it's not pretty. it's like making slaw. >> among the population are two cellies. once boyhood friends on the

outside they rely on each other for survival on the inside. >> we met at different places when hung out when we was -- >> 13 or 14 at the latest. maybe 12. >> robbie mcanalley is serving six years for armed robbery and no stranger to prison. >> i will be 23 in a couple days. and with patrol violations i came to prison for a long time. i don't have nobody out there. i wish i had some place to go. i wish i could get on my feet and live life productively. this ain't for me. my bro is going the help me stay out, though. >> unlike his boyhood friend who has been in and out of prison five times this is bradley napier's first time behind the

walls but as a juvenile he was twice placed on house arrest. now he is serving 16 years for burglary and corral gang activity. >> when i heard my sentence i was crying. at 18 getting 16 years, you know, it seemed like forever. it seemed like i ain't never getting out. but we got a good relationship. we talk to each other crazy. >> it don't matter. it's always all good. >> even though they are from the same hometown their lives in prison would make it seem like they are from different sides of the tracks. >> his it have is an older model and my tv is one of the flat screen they just started selling. it's expensive but a bigger picture.

everything in here is ours. you know what i mean. it's not -- whatever's mine is his and whatever's his is mine. that's the way we live. >> napier has more money to spend on commissary. so once a week he loads up for both himself and mcanalley. he eats half of everything. he needs to carry half of everything. robbie! robbie! damn -- [ bleep ]. >> all of the items go in one commissary box and we both eat out of it. it's hard for him to stay on the right path. >> one thing that he does have is an abundance tattoos.

>> that's my mom's name in the heart and my south side down just my neighborhood where i'm from. over here is moneybags, naked girls. everybody likes naked girls and money. that is all clowns up there. >> don't you got a $100 bill? >> i do have a $100 bill tattoo. >> where is that at? >> that's crazy, bro. i got a $100 bill tattooed on my penis. >> what do you tell the girls about this? >> it's money to blow. >> the imagery only tells part of his story. it's pictures he keeps tucked away in a photo album that tell the rest. >> how often do you look that? >> every day. >> he hasn't seen his son, three-year-old robbie iii in more than two years. he has had a contentious

relationship with his son's mother. >> me and her got into it and i came back to prison and i ain't seen him at all. it has been 26 months ago. >> napier is the father of a young boy, two-year-old bradley, jr. >> this is what he sent me for my birthday. it's my world. it's my whole life. >> like other aspects of their friendship, their relationships to their sons are marched by a have and have-not quality. unlike mcanalley, napier enjoys regular visits with his children. >> there ain't no reason to be behind 26 months. >> that is how it is. we are in two places. >> while mcanalley is longing for a visit from his son, murray is teaching his religious

believes to another prisoner. murray says he hopes that the religion will help keep him from returning to prison. >> when you are hanging at the house and you have bills to pay and somebody comes over and offer the opportunity for you to you know make a bit of easy cash, you know, go rob something, things go bad and things break bad. people get involved and people come out with shotguns and you get killed. you end up being another justin. another heart break i have to deal with. >> not going to die. >> i've been through this before. i've had friends of mine that i took under my wing, youngsters that get out before i do. and they get out there and mess up. i lost a friend six years ago, justin got shot by a police officer in indianapolis. i feel like i failed him. >> i will send you a card every

month you are out there. but if you come back i will send a blanket party your way. >> not coming back. >> all right. thank you. coming up, leonard mcquay gets a job and a chance to prove himself. >> that was to the dislike of my supervisors. they thought i lost my mind. >> and marcus murray lashes out when a member says the wrong thing. >> you made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ].

[ speaking foreign language ]. >> every day islamic prayers can be heard drifting from the cell of leonard mcquay at the wabash valley correctional facility in indiana. >> five times a day it's mandatory for muslims all over the world five times a day. >> mcquay is serving 60 years

for the murder of a corrections office at a prison 16 years earlier. he has been in administrative segregation at wabash's segregation unit. >> read the quran every day. >> the other books in his cell have helped him grow physically. >> this is what i call my weight bag where i every day i do me some curls, right? i do these. i do shrugs. what they call shrugs. do these. do back arms like this. like this. this is probably about -- probably about 55 or 60 pounds. >> mcquay has spent years trying to learn his way back to general population. but his history continues to haunt him.

>> i basically engaged in what i considered an emotional response to being disrespected. >> i was warned when i came into this job regarding offender leonard mcquay. he is very smart, very, very clever. he can talk a great talk. >> those caseworker beverly gilmore has raised serious questions about mcquay's trust worthiness, her goal is to give segregation inmates an opportunity to prove themselves. she recently made a controversial decision. after mcquay successfully completed a prison life skills program she gave him a job in his housing unit. >> i did make him a sanitation worker. that was to the dislike of some of my supervisors. they thought i lost my mind. i would never let him out of his cell. i said let's give him a chance.

i talked to leonard i say one time and you pass a scrap of paper to an offender you will be without your job and we are watching him more closely -- this ms. gilmore is. i have something to prove. i think he can do it. >> change is gauged by behavior. if you are actually changing, your behavior must change and i believe my behavior has changed. >> mcquay hopes that a positive job performance will win him his trai transfer and his fate will be determined at his next review less than a week away. >> i'm still somebody who deserves respect and to be treated like a human being. treat me like a human being and give me the respect and courtesy of a human being not an animal and you will receive the same. >> coming up a follower speaks out of turn.

>> i don't have nothing against uncle adolf. >> and hears about it later. >> you sank my boat.

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isolated in rural southwestern indiana the wabash valley correctional facility is more than a hundred miles from a major urban center but it has plenty of reminders of urban problems behind the walls. >> wabash has 43 different gangs and approximately 400 different gang members. that doesn't reflect all of the suspected members. those are all confirmed members and we have approximately somewhere between 200 to 300 suspected gang members at this facility. >> most of the gangs are divided along racial lines. but the majority here belong to white supremacist gangs like the aryan brotherhood and the saxon knights. officials believe that a growing religious might be a front for white supremacist gangs. marcus murray one of the leaders at wabash denies that. >> there has never been anything in my studies that says one race is more dominant over another

one culture more dominant over another or a religion. believers believe that our religion is fine and yours is fine. >> guy ratliff who has been practicing the religion for several years here says there is pun group is not welcome. >> few we found out that someone was a child molester he would be banned from the community. he cannot participate. ratliff who uses another accepted pronunciation of the group's name defended the fact that some members have swastikas on their bodies. >> the swastika was around long before adolf hitler came along. i don't have nothing against uncle adolf but he took something from my religion which was a sun wheel and made it part of his party.

it goes back to ancient civilizations. they had a swastika in persia way before national socialism came along. >> his comments disturbed murray who let him know how much when he returned to his cell. >> you made us look like a bunch of [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> i tried to talk about this with you. i swore i did. sorry, marcus i [ bleep ] up, man. i'm sorry. i apologize, damn it. try not to get mad at me. >> it's hard not to, man. you just sank my boat. >> later we told murray we recorded his exchange with ratliff and asked him to explain it. >> i was a little mad. he didn't mean any harm.

he just -- just ignorant of the conduction of leadership roles and you know, i think now that he has seen you know, that it upset me and knows that it's not really how we do business i think he's changed his point of view. >> murray hopes to also change the point of view of prison officials. he will soon have a hearing with administrators to appeal their ban on group services of the members and have it removed from the list of security threat groups. robby mcanalley faces a different challenge. he not only is isolated from his young son but from his boyhood friend who happens to be his cell mate. >> my celly is a great [ bleep ] dude and i have known him for years but i mean i got my problems that i ain't seen my

son in two years and [ bleep ] he gets to trip and act like he knows how i feel and stressing hard when he don't see his son for a week. he gets visits every week. it's everything that's possible to get in here he's got it and i'm in here [ bleep ] up. >> mcanalley serving six years for armed robbery wears his frustration in prison ink. >> that says vengeance. i've been hurt a lot. and i seek revenge for that. i had a lot of animosity built up when i got it. i hope i can let it go now. ain't worth it to come back to prison over. >> he points to another tattoo as the source of his frustration. >> the mother of my child. i'm kind of mad at her that she is holding my son from me. >> that could be changing. >> a recent letter and her submission of a visitation request is plans that she plans to let his son visit.

>> this is not the first time. i mean i'm not going to get my hopes up. the last time i seen him he couldn't walk or talk or nothing. i can't wait to see him. >> reporter: while mcanalley clings to the hope that he will see his son. his cell mate is enjoying a visit with his 2-year-old son, jr. and his son's mother. >> say touchdown. >> bradley talks about his dad all the time. when we pulls up he sees the guard tower and says daddy's house. but in another sense that is his dad's house and he is excited to see him. >> this type of one-on-one between an inmate and child is rare in most maximum security

prisons where visits take place in a common area choked with noise and distractions. but this is part of the prison's fatherhood program. >> it is great, man, because i get to spend a lot more time with my son. i get to come in this visiting room. and everything is great. it's one-on-one. me and him running around and playing ball. >> the monthly visits are carefully monitored by the program's coordinator. >> they have a responsibility is what we are trying to teach them. even though they are in prison that's not a cop out not a be a dad. >> oh, my gosh. >> you're okay, buddy. get up. >> come on. let me kiss it. tell daddy to kiss it. say kiss it. >> you be all right. >> you're in beast mode. daddy's beast mode?

>> glad to see you mr. napier. go ahead and have a seat. >> following each visit under goes a review. >> let's talk about when he cries. >> i just tell him to get up. he is raised by a bunch of women. they get babied and i don't want him to be babied all the time. the world's tough you know what i mean. just get up and go on. >> i understand where you're coming from. i want to give you a suggestion. it's okay for him to cry and for you to say that he's okay and address the situation and move on. it kind of seemed that some of your patterns came from just a quick fix and get him on to something else. it's okay to acknowledge why he is crying and move on from that. do you understand? >> i fully understand. >> appreciate you coming in.

>> thank you. >> i like to hear insight on what people think of how i am as a father. i will give thought about it. but i know how to be a father. i've done good with it, you know. coming up, william jones says good-bye to his mentor and hello to life on the outside. and leonard mcquay argues for a transfer out of confinement.

all the people who forgot about me, man who act like i dead. i help me keep strong and you don't even know it, you know. as the pre-dawn darkness hangs over the wabash valley

correctional facility most of the 2200 convicted felons housed here will treat it as one more routine day of incarceration. but not william jones, jr. today after three years he's going home. >> how do you feel today? >> nervous. i'm happy to leave but sucks to have to leave people in here. >> the one inmate he hates to leave behind is close friend and mentor marcus murray who is serving 60 years for murder. >> what's up, man? >> going to be hard, dude. >> you're going to miss me. you know it. >> i'm not going to miss you. >> oh, man. be cool, man. all right? >> while jones spends his final moments in prison just outside

the walls his brother casey and casey's family arrive to pick him up. >> me and my brother are pretty close. i'm glad i get to pick him up and not leave him here. i have been here like eight times and had to leave him here. it was hard. >> good luck and stay out of here. >> good luck, man. >> feels different. i guess there is nothing like walking out of prison, i guess. >> being in jail is not real cool. i don't like it. >> in there. what's your name? >> jones. >> here's your clothes. >> thank you. >> get you your property and we'll escort you out of here. releasing one from gate two.

let's go. be right with you, ma'am. come along, billy, run to me. >> don't come back. i don't want to see you any more. >> i ain't coming back. >> nice to see you. >> a bit normal? >> good to be home? >> it's good to be home. >> let me do the honors. >> man. >> cigarette's in the car. >> can't have it right now. >> take a picture. >> hold it up. >> finally. >> all right. >> everybody in. >> while jones savers his first moments of freedom back inside

wabash leonard mcquay fights for a different kind of freedom. he has a hearing with his case manager to determine if he is able to be released back to general population from administrative segregation. >> you going all the way out with the leash and all. >> the prospect of mcquay being released into general population has some staff on edge. >> offender mcquay he comes off as a very well spoken polite individual. that being said he has the conduct history with assault on staff and the murder charge on a staff member of a previous facility. even though he comes across as a polite individual you have to keep that in mind when you are dealing with him. >> they so evil, they are so barbaric putting the chains on

that guy like that. >> i do not trust him. i treat him with respect but i do not trust him. >> the last time mcquay had a review with his case manager, beverly gilmore she approved his request for a job. he hopes to persuade her he is ready for general population. >> hello, mr. mcquay. how are you? >> i have my presentation for my review. >> what makes you a good candidate for release from administrative segregation into the offender general population? >> i've engaged in rehabilitation that has allowed me to take a retrospective look at not only my past violent behavior and my new more humbled

progressive behavior and i believe that i've made some significant strides in my social relationship with staff. >> leonard, you talk a mighty fine talk. however, how are we too to be assured that you actually soaked this in and believe it down to the bone marrow. >> i'm asking you, ms. gilmore and i'm asking the administration here to open your hearts and look at me as a human being who has made some terrible mistakes, who has come back from the grave. i'm a new man. and the only way that this new man can shine is that you give me the opportunity. please give me a chance. that's all i need. i won't let them done. >> i will summarize that in a statement. thank you. >> they got reason to be concerned because of you know prior incidents, you know

associated with me. and the only way that they can see that i'm not only a changed man but i'm ready to do something different with my life is to let me have an opportunity. i haven't had a chance. and that's what i'm hoping for. coming up, marcus murray defends asatru. >> you have a salute like a lot of white supremacists. >> no, sir. >> and a decision is handed down on leonard mcquay.

that's my little boy right around my birthday. that is what the first picture was too. here's the day he was born. i don't know. this [ bleep ] is hell. >> robbie mcanalley has been in

prison for two years and has not seen his son. contact with the child's mother had given him hope that a visit might be imminent. now the child's mother has changed her plans. >> man, [ bleep ] that -- all she been talking about for two and a half months is i'm going to bring trey down there now all of a sudden she is too busy. i'm going to turn her into a clown, bro. >> he just talks [ bleep ]. he love that girl. >> i love the [ bleep ] out of her but she ain't worth a [ bleep ]. >> later, he revealed one possible reason why the mother of his child has not followed through on visits. he said it was an incident that happened before his return to prison.

>> it was a domestic battery and i haven't seen him since then. yeah. that's the last time i seen him was the night that that happened. >> he can only accept the consequences of his actions and do little to control developments with those he's left behind on the outside. but today, marcus murray is hoping to make a big change on the inside. >> how you doing? >> he filed a grievous to have asatru removed from the list of security threat groups or gangs. today the coordinator and assistant superintendent have granted murray a hearing on the matter. >> if you saw someone coming to your community or services with ill will or intent to participate in a security threat group activity what would your take be. >>? >> to come whence they came.

if one person is sick in the group then we're all sick. if you are in the community you have a say so. if it is anything that is kind of controversial it does get voted on. >> can you elaborate on that a little bit? >> let's say that somebody had an idea for how we salute each other. >> are you talking about greeting someone? >> like a handshake or something. like as a fraternity people like to set themselves apart. >> you stated that you or your community have a greeting that you referred to as a salute. could you show me what that refers to? >> no i never said that. you mean like we say something we say [ speaking foreign language ] which means hello and good health. >> you are not referring to a gesture. >> no. >> or body language.

like a lot of white supremacists do with the hitler salute. >> no, sir. >> what is your input on other races joining your community? >> we will discriminate against no one regardless of race, gender, sex, creed, national origin, or of their religion. >> you have a minority in the leadership role. >> no. >> if that opportunity arose would that be allowed? >> yes, it would. >> do you have any questions? >> no, not today. >> do you have any questions for us? >> no, i don't. >> thank you. >> a final decision could be weeks off. but prison officials have denied leonard mcquay's request to be moved back to general population. >> he seems like he has everything in the world going for him but when you sit down and really listen off the unit when he thinks you can't hear

him talking some of the things that he talks about when a staff member was assaulted in another place he was applauding. >> i don't want to lose my mind on a unit like this. i don't want to physically begin to deteriorate where i can't get no help. so i want to actually be given an opportunity to do something progressive with my life. back here in solitary confinement i can't do that.