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pace of life. happy passover, happy easter. welcome to "politicsnation," i'm al sharpton. we have a lot to cover tonight including a bizarre new defense from george zimmerman's lawyer in the trayvon martin case. believe it or not, he is talking about shaken baby syndrome. we'll see what that reveals about their defense. but we start with tonight's lead. this is the real year of the woman. today at the white house, president obama held a forum on women and the economy. courting women voters with policy, politics, and personal stories. >> i grew up the son of a single mom that struggled to put herself through school and make ends meet. we had to rely on food stamps at one point to get us by. but she earned her education,
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made it through with scholarships and hard work. right now women are a growing number of bred winners in the house hol. but they're still earning just 77 cents for every dollar a man does. which is why the first bill that i signed into law was the fair pay act. later this year, women will receive new access to recommended preventive care like domestic violence screening and contraception at no additional cost. fewer than 20% of the seats in congress are occupied by women. is it possible that congress would get more done if there were more women in congress? >> in this case, the president knows that good policy is also good politics. women are the key to his reelection. the president didn't have to weigh in on the controversy over the all male policy at the augusta national golf club, but he did, letting folks know that
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he thinks women should be admitted. and he didn't have to call sandra fluke, but he want today let her and millions of other women know that she had his support. he surged 14 points ahead of mitt romney among independent women. joining me now is melissa harris-perry, and chris hays, host of "up with chris hayes." the president has good policy and politics, right? >> it's fru that he has an expansive record to run on here. he can talk act his first legislation he signed into law, the equal pay act, and he had two opportunities to put people on the supreme court and in both
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cases chose a woman, including the first woman of color. so, he has an actual record. that said, because there was enough anxiety between the president on the affordable health care act, the choices to be made, and the reproductive rights advocates, it's as much about the fact that republicans have played this so poor ri, and president obama ends up looking so fantastic. >> there we are, chris. you have the president who has a solid positive case to make to women, but i think what is really causing this huge gap with women voters, particularly women, independent voters, has been that the republicans have been doing just as poorly on women issues as the president has been positive. for example, romney says when they raised the contraception issue, he says they think it will pass when people find out his real position.
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listen to this. >> somehow the republicans are opposed to contraception. i think it was a most unfortunate twist by our democratic friends. i think this will pass as an issue when people understand our real position. i made it very clear, i do not oppose contraception. >> now, chris, he doesn't oppose contraceptives, but he supports personhood that defines life and conception and outlawing birth control. he supports the blunt amendment, and he wants to defund planned parenthood that would make it harder for many low income women to get birth control. >> he is also on record saying he opposes the provision of law put in under richard nixon that provides contraception to low
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income women. that's a policy position that romney has taken on an existing federal law. he may say i'm not against it as a general matter, but the fact of the matter is it's a question of, when you're dealing with the republican party, you're empowering the republican party. you're empowering them in a capacity greater than the figure-head of mitt romney, and they have a whole bunch of components of the coalition and who can be mobilized, who raises money, what lines they can and cannot cross, and what their policy objectives will be. look at what the house did. the house in 2010, all of those tea party folks did not run on contraception, social issues, they ran on jobs. the first thing they did when they got in was pick a fight over planned parenthood. >> even an alaska senator criticized her own party for the issues on women's health, listen to this. >> after decades of believing
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that the issue of contraception and women's access to contraception, that we had resolved that decades ago, now all of a sudden, this is not only discussion in congress, but you have presidential wannabes talking about if it's good, bad, indifferent or wrong. if you don't view it has an attack on women, you need to go home and talk to your wives and daughters. >> and she is a republican. >> absolutely. and part of what i thought was genius about the white house today, is they had their women's day and women's summit. they talked real tily little about contraception. they talked about issues that women have thought of as women's issues like the economy, jobs, and all of these things that the tea party was initially running on in the sense that the fundamental concerns of any citizen, particularly citizens who are still facing serious economic crisis. with that said, women know that
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for us, for our educational opportunities, for our income opportunities, for our opportunities to buy homes and accrue wealth, all of that begins with the capacity to control your fertility. if you cannot space your children, if you can't make a decision about when to have kids, none of the rest of the economic indicators will matter because you will have the inability to control your own fertility. >> chris, if you look at the politics of it for a minute, more women vote in elections than men do. the numbers, 2007, 7.8 million more women voted. in 2008, 9.7 million more. obama in 2008 got 56% of women vote, mccain got 43%. kerry got 53%, bush got 48. so when you have a closer margin
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of candidates with women -- >> yeah, women elect democrats. the question is what margin democrats win them by. as an aside, white men basically just elect republicans, and anything that isn't a republican comes all the other parts of the population. >> as the only white man -- >> my apologies. >> at least they can't say you're biassed. that's the way it checks out. so the two key constituencies of what margin will be is latinos and women. if the margins are like the margins that john mccain faced, then you have to make it up somewhere else or you will lose. right now mitt romney will lose if he is 13 or 14 points down for women. i think it's funny to see the
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politics play out. the democrats have very deftly used the issue. absolutely, war on women, the theatrical, but for the republicans to whine about this is hilarious. you picked the policy fights, and now you're complaining. >> they put them on the table. >> melissa, anything you can think of as a woman and a strong perm on women's issues, is there anything you think willard can do to repair some of the damage with rim voters. >> you see him trying to actively do it, and they are going to put his wife up front to try and reintroduce willard mitt romney to the american people. he has to quit saying ann tells me what ladies want -- they have to be serious about how they do it, but she will introduce herself as a breast cancer
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survivor, raising children with him, and it will be about putting a woman's voice -- and my bet is the there will be a republican woman vice presidential candidate. >> thanks to both of you. you can catch both of my excellent guests again this week. first up from 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 is up with chris, and then catch melissa harris-perry 10:00 a.m. to noon. >> up with chris, down with melissa. >> a quick note, eric holder was also at today's white house forum on women and the economy. i'm happy to announce he will be joining us next week on the national action network's convention in washington dc where he will give one of the main addresses when we standard
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in washington next wednesday. we're honored and exciting to have him. and there were two others at the forum and meccum weighed in on an event, and the president couldn't help but weigh in. >> i thank meca for providing, and you prove every morning on your show that women really are the better half. joe is not denying it. >> as a regular on "morning joe"ly not pick sides on this one, but you can catch me on "morning joe" this coming monday. still ahead, the strange new defense coming from george zimmerman's legal team. can a 28-year-old man really invoke shaken baby syndrome? plus new questions about how mitt romney is keeping us in the dark about his many, many, many
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is willard is trying real hard to keep us in the dark about what he does with all his money, what is he hiding? that's next. ♪ stream, stream, stream...
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the "washington post" says he is avoiding revealing the nature of his investments. one says "his approach turns the whole purpose of the ethics statute on it's ear." remember we're talking about an enormous fortune. he is valued up to $250 million. but we have almost no idea about exactly what he owns, what companies he supports, or what conflicts of interest there might be. and president obama's campaign is not about to let that slide. the president wrote on his twitter account "what's riding hiding? we demand he release tax returns. "we know he owns this $12 million beach home in california. we know he is planning a massive
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expansion including separate elevators for four different cars. yep, elevator for cars. and he has a knack for letting us know he is a proud member of the 1%. >> i drive a mustang and a chevy pickup truck, ann drives a couple of cadillacs. >> rick, i'll tell you what? $10,000? a $10,000 bet? >> corporations are people my friend. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> joining me now is a political analyst for salon.com. and erin mcpike. you predicted this could haunt romney in the general election, why is he handling these
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questions so poorly? >> maybe is because it's just who he is. he is playing to type, and it's a type that could be significantly damaging to the republicans this year. you were talking in the last segment about how the two key constituencies is women and latinos but also is white color voters. they swung hard to the republicans in 2010, and they're a big reason republicans had such a year in 2010. you have a guy like romney, though, that can't help but remind people that he comes from this elite privileged world, and that threatens something that republicans have been good at and that is married the agenda to the elite world with personalities and style that fits more with the 99%. >> translator: appeal of the blue color worker, or the blue color voter had, was they ran on
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job ths. they of course changed it once they got tea party members in congress, but they appealed to what blue color voter was concerned about. but erin, you covered romney and travelled around, and you know the back and forward when this came up before. particularly, he hides behind his blind trust defense. but in the past he has attacked politicians for doing that. take a look. >> first of all, my investments are not made by me, they're in a blind trust. glt blind trust is an age old rouse, if you will, you can always tell the blind trust what it can and cannot do, you kill it rules. >> so once he said it was a ruse, and in 2012 he says he
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knows nothing. >> right, and that is the bigger problem for mitt romney high pressure right now he is accusing barack obama of running a hide and seek campaign, and not telling voter wrs s where h stands, the problem for romney in doing that is he, himself, is trying to keep these things secret. and it undermines the kind of campaign he's trying to run against the president. that is the bigger problem. everyone knows that mitt romney is wealthy. if he got some of this out now, it would be perhaps a slightlyless problematic thing. he's being so secretive about it it raises questions. >> let me come back to you, steve. i think she hit something there. i also think it's a problem when you see that he, himself, personifies this inequality that has been raised by many of us
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for awhile. when you look at the tax rate that romney pays, based on what we have seen, and the average secretary, mitt romney pays a 13.9% rate, and the average secretary pays 29.9% rate. it's not about begrudging his wealth, it's the balance and how fair people are handling it in this country. >> right, and it's the fact that the issues are on the agenda this year. we're talking about income inequality now. we're talking about the tax loopholes that allow peep with lots of investment income to pay a very low rate. part of that has to do with the occupy wall street movement. it injected these issues into the public dialogue and the republican party looks like it will nominate someone again,
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they have nominated rich candidates before. they frequently do, but this is a guy that uniquely personifies the top 1% at the moment when republicans don't want people talking about how their policies favor the top 1%. >> erin, another peculiar attack this week from romney, he attacked the president for having attended harvard law school. he has been attacking for months, look at this. >> i didn't learn about the economy just reading about it or hearing about it in the faculty lounge at harvard. >> all of those years perhaps in the harvard faculty lounge. >> that may be what they think at the harvard faculty lounge, but he went to harvard himself and talked about the great education he got there. >> harvard has a terrific program called the joint degree program, where you can go to the
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business and the law school, and if you go to both, you can take five years in educational training in four years, it was a lot of schooling. >> so is it for harvard or opposed to harvard. >> it goes back to the same thing we were talking about a few minutes ago. romney can't cast the stones when he's in the same boat. romney went to harvard for four years and obama went to harvard for three years. so he spent more time on that campus than obama did. so he just can't be making some of these remarks because it comes back to haunt him. >> well, maybe, erin, you're right. that is an old adage, steve, if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. if you have elevators for your cars, maybe you're not worried about your house getting stoned.
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>> thank you both for coming on tonight, have a good easter weekend. still ahead, what lowers think of the newshaken baby defense being raised by george zimmerman's attorney. is this really what they'll use if zimmerman goeses to trial in the trayvon martin case? [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu users chose prego. prego?! but i've been buying ragu for years. [ thinking ] i wonder what other questionable choices i've made?
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we're back with some new spin from the right. defending the voter id laws designed to suppress voter turnout. listen to greg abbot talking about the vote id law in his state. >> i believe the safe guards and structure put in place by texas will achieve the same in georgia and indiana. that is after the laws were implemented there was a increase in voter participation. >> so voter id laws that make it harder for people to vote will increase turnout. his argument sounded crazy so we had to look at it. he's right that georgia and indiana voting went up, but that year turn out also increased in
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16 other states, primarily because a guy named barack obama was on the ballot, and people were excited about voting. in fact, there is strong evidence that the voter id laws may turn out lower than it should have been. georgia had a voter id law, and african-american turnout increased there by just about 17%. north carolina did not have a voter id law, and african-american turnout went up there by 40%. voter id made the difference. now that makes sense. do conservatives think their phoney arguments can sell their oppressive laws to the american public? nice try, but we got you. your finances can't manage themselves. but that doesn't mean they won't try.
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police to arrest shooter george zimmerman, his defense team is already giving us a look at their defense strategy, and you won't believe it. >> we're familiar with the shaken baby syndrome, the brain shakes around in the skull, you can die. when someone is pounding your head on the ground, and your nose is broken, you can be in reasonable fear for great bodily harm. >> shaken baby syndrome? zimmerman is a 28-year-old man, no baby. and while shaken baby syndrome is serious, sometimes a fatal condition. police say that he was treated by paramedics in the back of a police car and was not taken to the hospital. and that he complied with all verbal commands from the police. and here is zimmerman walking through the police station less than a half hour after he killed
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trayvon. does this look at someone with shaken baby syndrome. joining me now is kendall coffey, and ken padowitz, thank you both for being here tonight. >> kendall, let me start with you. can you believe the claim of shaken baby for a 28-year-old man. >> to compare a 190 pound man with a shaken baby is ridiculous. i have to think they will abandon that before it gets to a court of law. it's not the first time they have gone too far with these exaggerations. it didn't look like there was much of a beating. credibility is everything and making these stretches as claims
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doesn't help george zimmerman. >> ken, we checked the national institute of health to define shaken baby syndrome, and that injuries usually occur in children two years old or younger because their brains are softer and neck muscles are weak. throwing these things out there as kendall just said, one minute he was beat an inch from his life, now shaken baby syndromes the more they throw it out there, aren't they looking weaker in the confidence of people that support them. how much theories can you throw out there about the one incident that happened to your client. >> exactly. i can tell you as a former prosecutor, there is a reason
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why the world baby is in the term shaken baby syndrome. if there are weaker neck muscles in a infants head, and the head is larger in proportion to their body, and there is a higher water content in the brain of a baby. so if they plan on using this defense and selling this to a jury, i tell you what i have some land to sell you in the everglades because that is just not going to work with anyone with common sense. >> now, when you go back to his brother, kendall, and his brother said last week that his brother was on the verge of wearing diapers for the rest of his life, but that doesn't seem to match with the video. it doesn't match when you have a second ambulance headed to the scene to take zimmerman, and they said it wasn't needed. it seems to me they're just pulling anything out of the air throwing it out to the public. >> they are, and it looks
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desperate. the whole attempt to defend him in the court of public opinion has been underwhelming. remember the friend defending george zimmerman didn't really know him that well, that backfired welcome and justing in the last couple days that the attorneys for george zimmerman have never met him face to face and their insisting the guy has evidence and is believing him. what does it mean in the real world? it mean fst this special prosecutor declines to bring charges, given the public perceptions that are out there, she's going to get a huge negative backlash unless she's in a position to very convincingly explain why in the face of what we consider to be the known evidence, why she would refuse to bring charges. >> ken, that is stunning to me.
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when you hear all of these statements, all of these real strong allegations made by the attorneys, and they never even sat down and talked to zimmerman, i think one of them said they talked to him over the phone. so i mean, a case this big, this w this kind of visibility, and they have not sat down with the client. i mean, is this a usual way to do something like this. >> well, it's not a way to keep credibility. i mean credibility is everything. that's what we have as trial lawyers and defense attorneys or prosecutors. if you're going to come out with outlandish statements, try the case in the media, put trial ba ballones out there and see if they take, you will have a hard time in front of the jury. it is the basis of getting across the defense to the jury. i think it's a very, very poor way to conduct business as a
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defense attorney. >> what was interesting was today, the city of sanford removed the 911 calls, the video of zimmerman in the police station, and the police report from their website and put up this letter. the office of state attorney angela corey has asked that the city of sanford remove the information. they think further ak slesz have an adverse effect on coming to a resolution for this investigation. does this sound like, to you, that the special prosecutor, and we know the grand jury is supposed to be convened as of tuesday, does this mean that we could see something before tuesday? does this mean she is doing it because the grand jury is being empan
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empanelled? what does this mean? >> it tells me that she is getting close to a decision. and unless there are significant forensic results at a lab that she needs to look at, she has had time to look at the relevant evidence here. she signalled that she is not thinking she has to have a grand jury decide. she knows this is her ultimate responsibility to decide. so my sense of this is this case is getting very close to a prosecutorial decision. >> i just remind people, we're not saying that we can decide the case, we're not calling on a conviction. but we have said that he needs to be arrested on probably cause. why? zimmerman was armed? trayvon was not. zimmerman pursued trayvon, and zimmerman was not brought to the hospital for the injuries he claimed that he had. so i think that is going to be very interesting, ken, to see where this comes down in the dex -- as we see the grand jury
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empanelled and where we go in the next several days and weeks. >> i agree. i think kendall is correct that this is getting close to a decision being made by the special prosecutor. i think she is going through the evidence and we see various pieces of evidence that she is methodically working through the case and will be coming to a decision very soon. and i know that the public is eager to see whether or not there is a resolution at this beginning stage as to whether or not there is probably cause that there was a violation of florida law, and that an arrest should be made and mr. zimmerman charged. >> kendall coffey and ken padowitz, thank you for your time, have a great easter weekend. up next, the next 72 hours could be crucial in the trayvon martin case. we'll look at the unanswered questions surrounding that night. plus, the president's
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welcome back to "politicsnation," 40 days ago, trayvon martin was on his way
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home from a local 7-11 armed with an iced tea and a bag of skittles. that walk was less than a mile long. he end end up dead less than 100 yards from where he was saying. at 7:11 p.m., george zimmerman called to report a suspicious man. one minute later, trayvon got a call from his girlfriend, according to her, trayvon said someone was following him. >> trayvon said the man was following him, and then i asked trayvon to run. >> not two minutes into his 911 call, zimmerman has this exchange with the 911 dispatcher. >> these [ bleep ] always get a way. >> are you following him? >> okay, we don't need you to do
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that. >> there are serious questions about what happened next. was zimmerman really on the way back to the car when he confronted trayvon? were there in fact two separate confrontations between them? what we do know is that at 7:16, the line between trayvon and his girlfriend went dead. around that time, 911 calls like this started coming in. >> do you think he's yelling help? >> yes. >> all right, what is your -- just -- there's gunshots. >> police arrived at the scene at 7:17. at this point, more questions arise. how much first aid was done on zimmerman? why didn't police question him at that point? all we know is that 35 minutes later, at 7:52 p.m., zimmerman
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walked into the police station. there appears to be a mark on zimmerman's head, but questions remain if he was seriously hurt. he was released later that night and hasn't been in police custody since. joining me now is a retired police chief from florida. and now president and ceo of global investigative group, and an msnbc contributor who has been following the case closely. walt, let me start with you. as a former police officer, what questions does this timeline raise to you? >> well, initially, when the officers responded, the first question that the officer should have asked mr. zimmerman, as he was standing over the body of trayvon, is why did you shoot him? to see if there was some
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justification. nowhere in the police reports is that indicated that he asked him that question. there is that lot of -- >> go ahead. >> go ahead, sir. >> i said there is also a lot of other problems that i see from the media accounts. george zimmerman is claiming that trayvon punched him in the face, knocked him down, and he was trying to grab his weapon. i would want to know as an investigator, was that weapon displayed before the encounter? by florida law if you have a concealed weapon you're not to display that until the time you intend to use it. so the way i'm reading is is that he had his weapon when trayvon approached him. he had a jacket on, if it was concealed, how would trayvon know he shad a weapon. so that would be a question i
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would ask. can you have that weapon displayed, how did that come out, how it trayvon know you had a weapon. >> that's a very, very good point. i think what a lot of people don't understand, when i was first called by the attorney of the family and started hearing this, the outrage they felt, and then as word spread and people around the country got involved, is that it seemed as though from the beginning, either they were the most inept police or there was an intentional diversion from trying to find out what should have happened that night, because all you needed was probable situation to make an arrest and let the judge and the jury decide. >> the lead homicide investigator that night wanted to arrest and charge him that night and go to trial. we know that the stand your ground law is a major problem,
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and allows a person like a george zimmerman to just invoke that, and then the burden is put on the prosecutors to prove that it's not self-defense. so once he says i was standing my ground, the duty goes to the prosecutors and it's harder to make that arrest and make that charge. this is a major problem that we have to work to strike down these stand your ground laws. >> no question. walt, i think you raised some fundamental points. because when did he invoke stand your ground law if he wasn't questioned? and can police, based on somebody raising it, if he did it at the police station. do they make the decision that they're the legislature and they interpret the law, or do they say tell it to the judge? >> i would think on an issue like this they would have to consult with the state attorney
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and i would let the state attorney make the decision. we're talking a serious crime here. if that was my department, i would let the state attorney make that ultimate decision whether to arrest him or not. >> that's good, because walt, let me go here -- the attorneys for the family said they had information given them that the state prosecutor at the time, norm wolffinger had gone to the station that night, and had over ruled the investigator that you said want today have him arrested. now, norm saying "i'm outraged by the outright lies. no such meeting or communication occurred. if he didn't do it, who did? if an affidavit says he wanted on arrest, who vetoed it if he
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is saying there is no communication or meeting that night? >> i don't know, i would love to get to the bottom of it. i have another question in my mind, this is the third time in six or seven years that george zimmerman has been in trouble with the law. he has a domestic violence junction against him. all three times he's been able to slide out of the problem fairly easily. i wonder if the fact that his father was a judicial magistrate in virginia had something to do with that. >> we hear his mother is also a court clerk. >> let me ask you the last question, walt. why didn't police contact trayvon's parents? and what does this say about the department? he is there, dead, with a cell phone, and if his father had not kept calling and pursuing, there was never any contact made. i mean, how do you explain that?
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>> well, the fact that they did not reach out to the parents that night is unquestionable. they had his cell phone. you know, we have to republicmet this point he is a victim. so you can search that cell phone without a warrant. it was very easy to ascertain what number that was, who the last person is they called, and they had his driver's license i believe. why they would not send a police car in miami-dade to trayvon's mother's house, we don't know. you know, that's the prosenior citizen they should have followed. send a car there, make a notification to her that night, is this your son. >> thanks to both of you, have a wonderful easter weekend. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> critics on the right continue
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welcome back, we've seen how some of the president's critics crossed the line of disagreement and have become down right disagreeable. now this level of disrespect has reached to armed forces. the united states marine's name sergeant gary stein is facing a dishonorable discharge for disrespecting the president in a facebook post. i'm not concerned so much about this one marine, it's about the casual way that some conservative criticings have disrespected him and his office. this week carl rove called him a
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thug. >> this is a bad way to start off, threatening the supreme court. >> it's figuratively speaking here, obama put a bounty on the supreme court. there is an answer here, i don't know if it's right, but it's an answer, he is a thug. >> calling the president of the united states a thug is is a new low, and shows how acceptable this kind of talk has become on the right. we have seize these insults throughout his presidency. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not come to those who are here illegally. >> you lie. >> it's not true. >> it's not about the president's agenda, it's not about you, it's about a phoney ideal, a phoney theology. >> i just don't think that president obama understands america. >>

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