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called texts from hillary clinton. i love this texts from hillary clinton thing. we have a link to it on our blog. best new thing in the world today. provided you can still get internet access while you are there, the text from hillary clinton will give you something to giggle over in 3, 2, 1, prison. now the scenes you've never seen. "lock up raw." at any prison there are essentially two sets of rules. there are the rules of the administration. the other set of rules are the inmates' rules themselves. the convict code. >> they got their rules, we got ours. >> the convict code is you don't get in other people's business.
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you don't let anybody know your business. you don't tell on nobody. >> you stick with your own race. you don't talk to other people. >> any inmate will tell you, that's the set of rules you follow first. on their first morning of shooting at utah state prison, the lock up crew entered the wassatcha cell block, home to some of the prison's most violent convict. we met a group of inmates playing cards and talking about who really runs the prison. >> guards don't run your section. it's all run by inmates. they pretty much tell what goes on. guard does the section but the inmates, they don't get along they're going to either force him out or he'll get moved. they'll straight out get told, you get your ass down and leave.
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>> pack your stuff, get out and go. you ain't welcome on the block. >> guards are just in there, they distribute all the food. they're only in there to make sure nothing major goes on. other than that, inmates run everything else. >> sergeant danny heron was one of only two officers asigned to manage the 95 men on wasatch a that morning. >> yeah. they can take the block. but they're not going anywhere. what are they going to do? that really doesn't bother me. i really don't have a control issue that way. they let us control and manipulate how they live and what they do. >> they got their rules. we got ours, you know? >> there's a code of conduct in here that you got to follow. if you want to make your time easy. you don't rat on people. there's all kind of stuff you don't do. >> that code of conduct is the convict code. and the penalties for violating it can be severe.
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>> if you look up. pretty high. people take an elevator ride, problem is there ain't no elevator. the fall doesn't hurt them, it's the sudden stop at the end. >> utah state inmate tony duran is well versed in the convict code. he has spent the majority of the past 23 years behind bars for burglary, robbery, and a slew of parole violations. >> the convict code is the person that carries himself with respect. he doesn't -- he only talks to the man when he has to. he don't sit there and kick it with the man. you don't tell on nobody. you don't let nobody know your business. you don't get in other people's business. you respect yourself. you respect others around you. >> but these days, old-time inmates like duran all agree the convict code is changing. >> well, because the different breed of inmate that's come together joint now, you know? you got kids coming in here, you know? some of them are gang bangers that don't know how to carry themselves. and some of them, they just
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don't give a [ expletive ] about respect or nothing like that. >> we have discovered the proliferation of gangs at every prison we've profiled. and utah is no exception. but nowhere are prison gangs more powerful, dangerous, and faster growing than in california. and they have added their own ominous chapters to the convict code. >> you can always spot a guy that's not used to prison, a new inmate, because he'll come out, he'll wander around, he won't go with his own group. he's just looking. and usually what will happen is one of the gangsters will go over and snatch him up and bring him over and run the game down to him, tell him, hey, this is what you've got to do. this is where you've got to be. you can only hang out with your own people. we don't want to see you talking to people of other races. and that happens real quick. real quick. >> at san quentin state prison, we learn that not only do gangs force most of the prison population into racial segregation, they even draw boundaries on the rec yard. >> okay. this is the lower yard.
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the inmates segregate themselves out here. the reason being that the gangs want it that way. the black are over here. the hispanics is our main gang here at san quentin. and it's because they're better organized. the white guys over here on the parallel bars and on the picnic table. over in the corner you see where the asians are sitting. >> you can't just walk and sit down at their table. i had to explain that. i almost got a confrontation with that two or three times because when i saw a table, i sat down. it's not like that. you got to ask for permission to sit down there. >> even such a minor misstep can be taken as a sign of disrespect. and that can lead to widespread violence. though correctional staff is constantly on the lookout for weapons, it's well-known that many on this yard are armed for battle. and none more so than the northern hispanics. >> they have a minister of defense. and his thing is he's to have ten weapons ready at any time
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down here on this yard. their weapons are all hid over there. and in the morning we'll come over and we'll search that area and try to find their weapons. but they're getting better and better at the way they hide their weapons. you see this one guy keeps looking around. he's got the heavy coat on? the temperature's pretty hot. so they're the soldiers. they wear these jackets, it's a little bit more armor. if anything goes on they're the first one toss get involved. >> many inmates have told us that if violence does break out, the convict code dictates how they will respond. >> it's a racial situation, you have to respond according to your racial background. you know, if i'm standing next to this man here and he suddenly is attacked by another racial group, even if i don't know him, he's black. i'm obligated by myself to assist this man. you know what i'm saying? >> if it's a white thing then you get in it. if it's with the whites and another race or something, then you got to be a part of it. but if it's something else i
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just turn my head. i don't even want to see it. >> we found that violence does not only occur between racially segregated rye values. sometimes gang violence erupts from within. >> i've stabbed people because of what i've had to do, you know? i can't go -- you can't go against the program. >> at california state prison corcoran, we met one young inmate who was ordered to attack an older, weaker gang member simply to thin out the herd. he asked that we not use his name. >> i accepted that because that's the way it is. you don't question it. some things i was against. but i just dealt with it and send it because that's the way -- that's the law of the land in here. >> he explained that the hit was ordered because the older victim was unable to keep up with the gang's military-style exercise program. >> he couldn't keep up with the exercise. that was the reason. this is how stupid this is.
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the dumb reasons they have in here. and when i did speak up for him, you know, it was placed on me. well, since you're speaking up for him then you'll deal with it. i dealt with it because that's what it was about. >> the older inmate survived the stabbing and his assailant quit the gang. >> finally i made my stance and went against it. now i'm a christian and i go for that. i wrote him a letter and i apologized and i told him that i was sorry that i had to do that, i was so weak and i didn't protect him. i should have. i was in a position to protect him and i didn't. >> next on "lock up raw." >> bunch of betrayals and lies. there's no loyalty. there's no honor. >> one gang banger smashes the code, and another unleashes contempt for those who do. >> i don't know how they can wake up in the morning and see themselves in the mirror.
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the unwritten rules inmates live by in prison are known as the convict code. but when it comes to gangs the code is the code of silence. talking about gang business can get members kill zbld they got rules and we got rules within the rules. peoples among different races. but we have to deal with it. i mean, i can't rap with you too much on it. >> the subject was clearly off the table, but we sat down in pelican bay state prison with raul leon, alleged to be one of the leaders of the most powerful prison gang of all, the mexican mafia. >> how powerful is the mexican maul yeah here at bell can bay? >> i don't even touch on that right there. i don't -- i don't speak on it myself, you know? >> raul leon had such influence throughout the state by assigning individuals to represent him he would have
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people assaulted, he would have riots take place on his orders. >> serving a life sentence for murder, leon lives in what is widely regarded as the most restrictive environment in the state of california. pelican bay security housing unit or shoe. inmates are confined to their cells for all but 90 minutes better day, which they're allowed to spend in a nearby concrete exercise area. leon had been living here for 14 years when we met him. >> i always tell people, they didn't build a prison hard enough to break me. some of us are stronger than others. and i think that's what pelican bay is about. only the strongest are the ones that are going to make it. >> while leon refuses to disavow loyalty to his gang, the prison sees a slow but steady flow of inmates who do through a prosecutors says called debriefing. they not only break the code, they smash it to bits. >> it's basically when existing gang members want to get out of
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a gang inside the prison. and in order to do that, there's a whole debriefing process they have to go through. and it basically entails the inmate coming in and confessing everything he's done with the gang. and sometimes even throwing some people under the bus. and confessing against other people. so it's really a deadly thing for someone to do inside a prison. >> when inmates debrief, they must write a lengthy account of their criminal history both if and out of prison. the review process can take months. but if accepted, the inmates will be allowed to live in the safety of a protective custody unit and be granted many more privileges than they would have had as confirmed gang members. >> because of your march 11th, '99 incident with another inmate that you almost killed, came very close to killing, we have a question about your sincerity
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about debriefing. >> lock up cameras were at california state prison corcoran when thomas spiller, a long-time gang member, went before the inmate review board to request a debriefing. >> i can certainly see your point of view. however, a good many of these inmates that are in the program have in fact been in my position in the past. and have also called hits on other inmates and actually done hits themselves. so i'm assuming that you have had the same concerns about them. or am i being singled out for some reason? >> let's not go there. you're going to be given an opportunity to debrief. now, she's only giving you the honest truth. and the truth is there's concern. it also depends on how sincere you are when you do your history statement. all the stuff that you just told us about ordering hits, that kind of thing? you're going to have to do that. you have to put that to writing.
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>> mr. spiller, just for my own understanding, what is the main source of your change of heart? >> basically i'm tired of doing other people's dirty work, of ordering people to do things that because for someone else's selfish reasons when in fact it doesn't benefit me here nor there. i was ordered to kill a dear friend of mine. and i really didn't appreciate that. >> good enough for me. >> there's no guarantees. so it really has to come from within the inmate of him wanting to change who he is. and it was interesting to see these guys do this and put themselves through this process, knowing that they're dead men walking. >> for now, spiller will stay in a transitional housing unit with other inmates who are also in the debriefing process. all men that raul leon despises.
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>> i don't know how they can wake up in the morning and see themselves in the mirror. whatever excuse you use to get to the transitional housing unit to me is just a crock of [ expletive ]. it's just a scam. it's just individuals just trying to play the last card they have saying, hey, you know what? i got to get out of here. the only thing good about them debriefers and rats is that they can never return back to the neighborhoods. they're ostracized. >> leon's anger is aimed at men like miguel perez. once a high-ranking member of the mexican mafia himself. perez had already left the gangs several years before we met him, and he's not looked back. >> as for what soured myself on the gang life? in all honesty is i opened my eyes to see it for what it is. it's all a bunch of betrayals and lies. there's no loyalty. there's no honor. there's no respect. i seen too many innocent people being targeted that had nothing
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to do with the gang life just because one of their family members were a part of it. you ain't supposed to target innocent people. >> but perez left us with a piece of advice for any inmate thinking about joining a gang. >> my word of advice to him is to remember two things. one, that he's not in control of his life. because as long as he's a part of this gang, there's someone he has to answer. to whether he believes he's his own man, that's a myth. because someone's running his program. so he can walk around with his head puffed up, his chest out and everything and think that he's being a bad ass but he's going to follow orders just like anyone else. for everybody bad ass there's someone better. coming up on "lock up raw."
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in every prison profile in "lock up" our producers have found subtle differences in how inmates enforce the convict code or the unwritten rules by which they live. but one aspect rarely changes. the position of sex offenders on the inmate hierarchy. >> murderers, robbers, they're up here. child molesters, rapos,they're down here. them guys on the bottom, most of them guys are sex offenders, you know? i don't like them. i just top rate them. i used to beat them us. i used to prey on them. >> they not only mark the sexual predators by cutting them across the face with a raise or blade or knife. this guy is no good. they call him trash. >> we even met a pair of brothers who wouldn't hesitate to extend the convict code to their own father. >> my father was in here for --
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i don't know the exact charge but he was in here for messing with kids. and, you know, i ain't cool with that. >> brad and michael love are serving time for murder at anamosa state penitentiary in iowa. >> i was never incarcerated with him. when i found out that he was getting incarcerated, what he did time for, what he got charged for, they asked me if there would be any problems if we were in the same prison. i told him yeah, i'd probably end up killing him. i cannot condone that. >> "lock up" has profiled plenty of inmates who spew hatred towards sex offenders. but we've also introduced viewers to those on the receiving end. thomas headily is serving a 15-year sentence at utah state prison. like many sex offenders, says his punishment is unjust and his crime misunderstood. >> i was charged with kidnapping somebody that was under 14. i am a man who is attracted to young women. god for bid. 99% of us are.
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>> when we interviewed him, headily was serving his time in solitary confinement as a punishment for being uncooperative. but he explained to us that he had his own motives for being in the hole. >> there's not a safer place anywhere in the prison than where i'm at. no matter what you do, no matter how you try to approach it, you are a worth less piece of crap because you are a sex offender. you're a use less mole. that's all -- that's the way everybody talks to you in here. oh, you're a mole, huh? molester. you're one of those. but i have seen guys get stabbed. i saw a guy get a piece of a shovel handle stuck right in the side of his neck. and i seen a guy get a hammer took to him and just beat the side of his head to a wreck. i've got a safety list that's got at least 20 names on it with people that told me in no uncertain terms "you're a dead man if we ever get our hands on you." >> on the main line i'd be dead in a day. those guys over there, they just
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wouldn't care. they would kill me right in front of an officer because it's a notch on their belt. >> we met earl hymer at california's kern valley state prison. >> i have 37 year sentence. lewd acts on a minor, 14 years old. >> this was not his first time in prison for his first sex offense. >> my wife deemed it necessary that i be arrested for attempted rape of your wife, you know. >> hymer lives in the prison's protective custody wing. ironically, during his first prison term he was one of the inmates who targeted sex offenders. >> you know, i've participated in helping hunt for child molesters. well, this guy said he's a child molester. this is a child molester. you catch them out in the yard you go through his stuff and read his paperwork.
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find out what they're in for. yes he is or no he's not. >> then what? >> generally somebody will catch him in a day room or tv room or whatever and punch him in the mouth, tell him to roll it up now. and if he blinks twice or hesitates just a little bit, like i was saying a minute ago, if you sit down and well, wait a minute. let me explain. too late. now you're beat up, stabbed, whatever. they take imto the next level immediately. >> hyme rerkz shares a cell with another convicted child molester, ray rowe, who is serving a 230-year sentence. even though he is in protective custody, rowe rarely leaves his cell out of fear for his safety. >> i don't know whether someone's going to try to take me out before the day's over with. every time i go to chow. every time any sex offender goes to chow or goes out of their cell. and sometimes even in your cell. can i go to sleep with this person in here?
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you're pretty vulnerable when you're sound asleep. >> hymer and rowe have worked out an uneasy trust, if not a friendship. >> we've managed to either read or watch tv or state out of each other's way. >> yeah. we can draw. i draw in the afternoon sometimes. and generally like he said, we watch tv. he got the television and kind enough to i can watch it just as much or more than he does. for me with this much time, it's safer to be in there with a guy with the same charge. i can sleep at night. i don't have to worry about this guy going to cut my throat. main line they walk around and they slide a knife under your door. here, kill your celly or we kill you when you come out. and that sounds like, oh, yeah, that's a movie. no, that's a fact. >> still, hymer has mixed feelings about sharing a cell with someone just like himself.
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>> my celly is really a multiple offender. and bad as that sits in my gut like acid, i just -- it's just a putrid thing. there's nothing sexy about a kid. you know what i mean? and to hear it, to know it. i know i'm here for it. that's hard. but it's just still sickening. >> next on "lock up raw." >> i want to know -- >> the convict code takes on a new dimension when the inmates are women. >> what we call a women relationship here it's a slang word for bulldogging and that's two women together. local chevy dealer today.
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on the other hand, females find it through interpersonal relationships. there's much more drama, there's much more bonding in the sense of establishing kind of almost marriages. >> we found that to be the case when we visited the north carolina correctional institution for women. because in here, there's so many people against us in here it's hard to find somebody that's with you that's going to have your back in this institution just like somebody would have your back on the street. and that friendship usually will turn into something more. >> women like women. men like men. >> i want to go home with her. >> i'm taking this one home to the country. >> let that be on tv. >> it's just love. just like men. >> same thing. >> it's different. more complicate zbld it's hard to find somebody in here, though, that will keep it real with you. >> a lot of women here mess it up. >> ladies, y'all put some space between y'all.
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>> physical intimacy is against the rules. but during our shoot here we met one of our more memorable inmates. she made no secret of her active sex life. >> my nickname is heavy d. why i have it is because my middle name is dawn. i'm just heavy so they just call me heavy d. they call me weight lover heavy d so i just stuck with it. >> heavy d is 47-year-old pamela brasswell. when we met her she was serving herself entertainment prison term. this time for dui. >> i'm not very good at obeying rules. i try but i have a very smart mouth on me. >> what are you going to do? lock me up? [ laughter ] >> it's the only activity we have on the weekends besides bulldogging. what we call women relationship here, a slang word for bulldogging. that's two women together. >> this is the bulldogging crew. >> i have a girlfriend here.
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but i have several girlfriends. she's just not my special girlfriend. i have two or three girlfriends. >> who's that? >> theresa. >> who is theresa? >> that's my wife. i've been with my wife about 3 1/2 years. >> [ inaudible ]. >> no. but she knows i'm a player. i get to do what i got to do to survive in prison. >> heavy d is always looking to add new arrivals to her brood. >> you got someone that's gay like me come off the streets that's really gay. then we have some here that haven't been with women and curious and want to try it. they get mixed up in here. nine times out of here they get turned out. that means a woman turns them out. that means they have sex with a woman and they end up getting turned out. >> what's turning out mean? >> turned out means they get ahold of a woman. they get lonely. as soon as they did the damn thing it's all she wrote.
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and then they get stupid. you. >> you wasn't gay when you come in here, though, was you? >> nope. >> other women at north carolina build committed, monogomoua relationships. >> we have situations where inmates begin to value one another more than they do following the directives of the authorities here. it is a security issue. >> the first time "lock up" cameras rolled tape on inmate carolina porter she was trying to get a glimpse of her fellow inmate and girlfriend danica cox out on the prison yard. >> oh, she's gone. >> what happened? >> she's gone. >> at the time, jennifer was restricted to a solitary confinement cell as punishment for fighting with another inmate. but she and danica were already deeply involved when they shared
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their story with us. >> we've got a really strong bond, you know? i mean, it ain't all about sex. >> it's a real marriage of the heart for us. it may not be lawful or -- but to us it's real. >> at the time of the shoot, jennifer's confinement prohibited any contact with danica. their feelings about being separated for the past ten days were palpable. >> i was writing her last night. i said, "hey, sexy lady, girl, you drive me crazy." >> how am i spending my days? crying. looking at pictures. crying. >> and i said "i feel so dead inside without you." and i said "my eyes don't shine and everything looks so gray". >> today was the first day i've smiled. that was because i seen her through a crack in the window. >> the only chance they have of being reunited soon is if jennifer's fighting charge is dropped or reduced at her
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disciplinary hearing. the outcome could be the difference between seeing danica within a matter of hours or months. >> we've read you your rights on march 15th. you understand your rights? okay. so i'm going to charge you with a c 4. i'm going to dismiss the c 3. because the officer said when she gave you the directive to stop you did stop. okay? how do you plead? >> guilty. >> jennifer's guilty plea on the lesser of the two charges means she will be out of solitary in 12 days. sooner than she thought. >> oh, my god. mr. campbell, did you see danica outside? >> anxious to see danica, jennifer starts toin choir about her to the "lockup" crew. >> did you see danica outside? >> i'm not even here. >> meanwhile, a second "lock up" camera has located danica, now waiting outside.
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>> they ain't playing my game. i don't understand why they're not allowed to say anything. i'm flipping. >> back inside, as jennifer gets ready to leave, she is about to risk everything by arguing with a correctional officer. >> she'll be escorted up to segregation to serve her days up there in single cell 8. >> why do you look so eager? >> i'm already outside. >> why? >> fresh air. fresh air. >> you could have been outside. you could have been staying outside, you know? you could have been out on the grounds nod inside if you hadn't been caught up in this. >> oh, my geez. didn't we just go through this why i did that? okay. so why keep -- okay. but i'm simply saying if someone
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rode up on you and punched you in your nose -- you couldn't say you wouldn't, mr. wright. if you would you are lying. if this man came up here and punched you in your nose, you seen blood you're not going to sit there and say, well, let me call the police. you just stand right there. you're not going to do that. you're going to go to somebody's ass if they punch you in the nose and you see your nose bleeding. that's what i felt like i had to do. >> finally, as jennifer is escorted out of the building her hopes of seeing danica seem like they're about to come true. >> the grounds are now restricted. the grounds are now restricted. all unassigned inmates report to your zone. >> but with the yard shut down for the day, jennifer can only call out to danica's cell block in hopes she might be seen or heard. >> i love you. >> the future of any prison relationship is uncertain, and especially so for jennifer and danica. jennifer, serving time for drug offenses, was due to be released
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within a matter of months. danica, in for robbery, was still facing three to five more years. >> we plan to be together for the rest of our life. those are our plans. >> i'm going to stick by her. no doubt. it may sound crazy, but i'll probably end up evening coming back. >> the reality is that she could come back here to be with me. >> how? >> get another charge. next on "lock up raw." >> a lot of people here can't deal with rejection, especially coming from a transsexual. >> a place in the code for gays and gay predators. when joint pan and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult.
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. attitudes toward sex in male penitentiaries are complex. according to the convict code, child molesters and rapists are reviled. but homosexuals can live freely in prison as long as they adhere to other parts of the code. mind your own business and never show weakness. >> well, the boys seem to have no problem. they love us. we're like gold in here. we really are. very few of us. maybe not for you. but anyway, i mean, they treat us just like they treat anybody else. as long as we give them their respect and don't cross those boundaries we get treated just like anybody else. >> at california state prison corcoran, we met three inmates living openly as homosexuals at what is considered one of the
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toughest and most violent prisons in the state. >> okay. if you could just state and spell your name for us. >> regina maiden. >> in this raw interview footage, the three men discuss the possibility of attack and how they would respond. >> not being attacked. it's just being like proper word is stalked. just harassed. because of rejection. you know, a lot of people here can't deal with rejection, especially coming from a transsexual. >> a lot of other things people don't realize we're men just like them. we're just ten minute. >> women do kill, okay? a lot of us don't put up with that. and a lot of the guys know that. a lot of guys don't. so when the ones don't, they end up getting -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> it makes them look bad on the yard. that's why a lot of people do give homosexuals respect
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sometimes. but they don't know what we're capable of doing. >> some inmates embrace their feminine side. but when "lock up" visited kentucky state penitentiary, we met fleece johnson, a long-time inmate who practice as very different kind of homosexuality. >> well, we have sexual desires, right? so you got a bunch of men locked up in one place. all of them get horny. all of them got sexual desires. so what are they going to do? you don't let them have a woman. they gone have -- somebody's going to have to give up some boot yichlt just that simple. >> the most memorable story that fleece told us was about the place and importance that booty has in a maximum security penitentiary. and he went on about it and on about it. >> in this prison, booty.
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booty was more important than food. booty. a man's butt. it was more important. i'm sure. it was more -- booty, having some booty was more important than drinking water. i like booty. >> johnson went on to tell our crew how he used to satisfy his sexual desires. especially during the 1970s and 80s when he was most active in prison security was more lax. >> when i see one, and he looks good to me, when i go see him i say, "you come here." i say "i'm going to tell you what. i like you. and i want you." and we can do this the easy way
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or the hard way. and it was always yes. >> johnson also had a warning for the new generation of inmates. they might be asking for trouble from old timers. >> you know, they got this thing where they sag their pants past their butt. it's a style. they call it some sort of gangster style. and you know, it's sexy to us, right? see, but they weren't prepared for this, right? so you sag your pants in here, man, somebody be up in your butt. and it's just that simple. >> johnson even let the "lock up" crew know that when he was in his prime, they wouldn't be safe from his advances, either. >> if y'all had been in here back then in them days and as much as i like booty, i'd probably felt one of y'all butts. and you'll walking past me. and dare you to say. so i'm not no shame in my game. this is nothing that i'm ashamed
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to admit. i am what i am. i'm a warrior, too, you know? so let that be known. i'm a warrior. coming up on "lock up raw." >> i was convicted of four counts of first degree murder of my children. >> how the code extends to the loneliest place in prison. death row. that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. for half the calories plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. on december 21st polar shifts will reverse the earth's gravitational pull and hurtle us all into space. which would render retirement planning unnecessary. but say the sun rises on december 22nd, and you still need to retire. td ameritrade's investment consultants can help you build a plan that fits your life. we'll even throw in up to $600
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the convict with a death sentence, rules of any kind might seem irrelevant. but a chapter of the convict code even extends to death row. a place "lock up" has visited many times. >> there's an unmistakeable feeling when you walk onto death row at a prison. everywhere else in the prison is alive with bustle, with noise.
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they're loud places. when you walk on death row, it's completely silent. it is eeriely silent. >> randy hite convicted of double murder and armed robbery has been on death row at kentucky state penitentiary since 1995. >> we got one of the most well-behaved units in the institution. we've got plenty to lose. we have whatever privileges we do have that can be wiped away in a heartbeat. >> but that's not the only reason death row inmates are often the best behaved. >> their basic behavior is directly related to them being able to say in their clemency plea that we were good guys while we were there. we didn't create havoc. we weren't violent. we weren't all these things. and try to portray the good things that they've done while
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they've been incarcerated. >> i have a hope that one day that i can be out of prison, you know? even though that hope might be small. i know what i've done was wrong. i deserve to be where i'm at. i've send whatever might come. >> but the future holds for hite is not yet certain. his case is still on appeal. but one day, he might take the same back our "lock up" crew took when they shot at kentucky state. >> kentucky is one of the states that actually still has an electric chair. i had asked -- we want to make sure we get a shot of the electric chair. so we go to the end of the corridor in 3 cell house where they keep the execution chamber. and i remember he opened the door, and there was old sparky. and it was unforgettable. >> this is the electric chair, which is maintained by the kentucky state penitentiary in
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order to complete executions by electrocution. it was originally built somewhere in the 1900s. >> it's just leather and wood and metal. like any other chair. but there's this unmistakeable feeling. you know people die there. >> some of kentucky's death row inmates can choose between the electric chair and lethal injection. that's also the case in the neighboring state of tennessee. and when we visited there, we met a death row inmate who soon would face that decision. and as far as darrel holten was concerned, the sooner the better. >> i was convicted of four counts of first degree murder of my children. >> throughout the entire interview, holten spoke in a calm, coherent manner about what led to his nightmarish actions. >> got out of the army. divorced my wife. had custody of my children.
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reconciled with my wife. the reconciliation didn't work. and i hit her. i struck her. she got custody of the children. and pretty much factored me out of the picture. >> then, on november 30th, 1997, holton picked up his four children ranging in age from 4 to 12, to take them christmas shopping. instead, he shot each one through the heart. >> i miss them. but now i can't say that i [ inaudible ]. >> while many death row inmates file numerous appeals to delay their execution, holton dropped all of his. >> i think that the death penalty is appropriate in some cases. and i've got a low tolerance for someone claiming that they didn't do something that they actually did. there's no factual dispute about what happened. there's none. it wasn't a question of who did
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it. there was no doubt. i'm not going to sell out. i'm not going to change my views on the death penalty just because i'm facing the death penalty. >> holton was not only ready to face his death sentence, he had chosen to have it carried out in the electric chair. but to his dismay he had seen his execution date come and go more than once. >> supposingly they were serious about executing me last year. supposedly they're serious about executing me this year. if the past is any indication, i don't think they're very serious. and that's not bravado. a deal is a deal. >> back at kentucky state penitentiary, randy hite made it clear he's not as eager to face death as holton but he's ready for it nonetheless. >> i'm extremely sad for what i've done.
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it hurts me knowing that i went to the level that i went. and if there was any way possible for me to be healed or corrected, believe me, it would be done. it's an impossible situation not only for me but for everybody involved, you know? and i'm not saying there to get out of an execution or -- because like i said, i'm ready. if you want to kill me, let's go. i'm ready to go. but i think that i have something i can offer somebody, and i don't really think it's time for me to die.
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