extreme violence is a great way to make a name for yourself in the skinhead subculture. we put it out there, don't screw with us. we will kill you. >> he was kind of the pit bull of the movement. >> straight razor was a weapon of my choice. >> when you get into the movement you alienate everyone you know. we were both in there just kind of hanging on by a string. >> the president of the club called me up and said i had to make a choice between either my family or them. >> i was a little intimidated by both of them. >> the coming off is frequently

more painful than the going on. >> has it gotten any better? >> it hurts like hell. >> it's all part of the process. >> don't like to see him in pain. everything has a price. you're about to see a remarkable story of redemption. the southern poverty law center estimates there are more than 1,000 hate groups in the country. approximately 130 of these are racist skinhead organizations. as in most gangs, disenfranchised youth are sometimes enticed into the movement. once in, it's difficult to get out. such was the case with brian widener. his escape would be painful and trigger a transformation of both body and soul.

>> [ inaudible ]. >> i started getting tattoos when i was about 14, 15 years old. this arrow is tears -- norse religion. what it actually significant fight issed ruin of justice or ruin of the warrior. within most light-colored skin heads within that culture it is a sign of lawyer but also willingness to kill for your race. >> you were willing to do that? >> i was willing to kill for the white race. i put on my face to signify that, too, those who understand basically and those who didn't understand they would learn soon enough. that was kind of the philosophy. >> brian widener first became a racist skinhead at the age of 14, in 1991. over the next 16 years, he was a member of several notorious

neonazi skinhead organizations such as the outlaw hammerskins, blood and honor, and the vinlander social club. >> the racial philosophy was we were the master race. white people were meant to rult world. we created society. we created economics. we created everything. we were meant to rule. therefore it was our god-given right to stand up and take what was ours. the white race was dying. it was getting bred out. so we needed to go to extreme measures to save our people. >> and what did you consider extreme? >> at the time, murder was an extreme. but it was just kind of one of those things that could happen. but now hindsight it was drive-bys, things like that would be very extreme. >> we track a lot of the extremist organizations out there as they come across our desk. and of course the skinhead movement is one of the most violent. and we first saw brian pop up on our radar when he was involved in a lot of skinhead activities,

going to functions, showing up in different intelligence photos we were collecting. he was kind of the pit bull of the movement. he was an in your face type guy. he loved to drink a beer, was very confrontational and had a reputation of being an enforcer-type personality. >> i got the hate tattooed across my knuckles when i was about 15. i always liked the word "hate." i thought it was cool at the time. i was about 17 or 18 when i started getting swastikas and iron crosses on me. i was embracing the whole skinhead nazi thing at that time. the ss bolts speak for themselves. back in the day in the late 80s and early 90s you were required to actually earn your bolts, quote unquote. what you had to do was actually attack a minority one-on-one and beat them down. so i earned mine years ago. >> when he got the tattoos done he didn't expect to have a family. and he came into our household,

into our lives, and became the father, became a husband. and so he didn't know when he got them put on that he would end up in this position. >> did you scream? >> she's still complaining about it. >> this is the vinlander sc which stands for social club. it's a neonazi organization of a bunch of skin heads. i was a founding father of that. i got thug reich tattooed on my belly. we were thugs. the reich was the third nazi aspect. i combined the two and came up with that. it almost became a motto for a lot of guys. >> i don't even see the tattoos anymore. i'm used to them. because i got to know who he is. and like instead of like just being someone on the streets and seeing him and they judge him, i see him for who he is. >> blood and honor was an organization created by the late ian donaldson we've seen in screw driver. it was a skinhead organization in the late 70s, early 80s. in the 90s it split into two

different fakdss, blood and honor international and blood and honor 118. i belonged to c 18. the 18 stands for one and 8 for the letter a and the letter h for adolf hitler. >> when i saw terson born, i saw god that day. that was one of the strangest, greatest feelings that i'll probably never feel again. it was the first time you ever hold a baby, that kind of love is just -- it's amazing. it's truly amazing. it's really hard to put it into words. he's every breath i take is for him. i just want to do everything for him. give him everything i never had. i used to carry a straight razor. and i'd use it in bar fights and what not. i kind of put it on my face as a trademark and also a warning to people just basically to leave me the [ expletive ] alone or i'll cut you. >> and how is carrying a straight razor different than

some of your other crew members? >> a lot of them carry brass knuckles or pistols, things like that. i like miss dollars just as much as the next guy, but i just always -- i like the up close and personal battles. i always thought those were a lot more fun than sitting across the street and shooting at people. so a straight razor was just kind of my weapon of choice. plus a razor cut goes a lot deeper than just a regular stab, usually. you can get some good meat on it. >> if i started getting into a situation i couldn't handle with just my fists and my feet i would pull it out. got in a bar fight, if three or four guys decided to jump in on me i'd pull it out and lay a couple of people open. then all of them wouldn't jump on me. it was a pretty good deterrent at that point. or if i wanted to teach somebody a lesson that they couldn't forget if they ever wanted to i would pull it out and cut them. >> what do you think now of all these tattoos on your face? >> they drive me nuts. it's just a bad reminder of a

part of my life that i left behind. brian widener grew up in albuquerque, new mexico. >> when i was about three years old i moved in with my grandparents along with my little sister. my grandmother was a severe alcoholic. i was told that i was pretty well worthless, i wouldn't ever amount to anything. this or that. by the age of 13, 14rks i just started running away all the time. i became a chronic runaway at that point. just started living on the streets. >> at the age of 18, brian joined his first white power skinhead group. the soldiers of the new reich. >> when i was a teenager i didn't have any family. i had my friends. that's all i had. basically my crews were my family. statistically speaking gang members don't join gangs because it's cool. they join gangs because usually they're street kids, they're destitute and they have nothing.

>> as brian's appetite for violence increased, he moved to indiana and enlisted in the outlaw hammerskins. the crew started by hard core skinheads who had been kicked out of the national umbrella group, hammerskin nation. >> hammerskins had such a reputation that they demanded respect. they demanded fear. if a hammerskin came to a party you knew it. everybody treaded very lightly around them. they were known for being incredibly violent, incredibly tough. so everybody was very wary around hammerskin for the most part and wanted to join. i was what they called a pit bull. they'd point and i'd sic them. if somebody was with us at a bar or something they'd point me in a direction and i'd go [ expletive ] them up basically. we were a very extreme group. we were really hard core. we put it out there on the internet, don't screw with us. we will kill you. and that's how we lived our philosophy. we will kill you. every time we drove around we

had guns, balls, bats and knives in our cars. you see a black guy and white girl walking down the road, we'd put a block away from them and get out and rush them. have two go around the block, come up behind them so they can't escape. they get sandwiched in and usually [ inaudible ]. >> how long would this usually take? >> a beat down? usually just a couple seconds. i mean, a real long one would be like 10, 15 seconds. >> it's really hit-and-run. >> yeah. then we got out there and went and celebrated because we did a great thing. it was a good time. causing people pain was fun to us. >> you have to understand, this is a culture that in their minds they believe death before dishonor.

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the went to the doctor yesterday and talked to them about getting my facial tattoos taken off, the ones on my neck.

>> what did though say? >> they can come off. he's going to do laser surgery on the 22nd. it's going to probably be very painful. >> will you have a scar on your face and head? >> i might. the possibility of scarring is there, but chances are pretty little. >> that's good. >> how are you going to get them off? >> with a laser. he's going to burn them off my skin, basically. >> intense. >> you're worried about daddy getting his tattoos removed? you won't recognize him? >> i would recognize him. his face will be different. >> his face will be different? yeah. daddy's handsome, though. he'll look great without them. he looks great with them but he'll be great without them, too. >> i think it might be a little painful for the healing, but i think like -- i think he'll enjoy it and stuff. >> i love the pain. [ laughter ] >> enjoy the pain? >> the outcome. >> what do you think? >> what do you think when daddy

gets his tattoos removed? what do you think? [ laughter ] >> all right. >> racism just seemed normal when i was younger. i'm talking three, four, five years old i still remember hearing my dad say the n word. >> after julie's parents divorced, she bounced between her mother's home in arizona and her father's in detroit. >> i had a very bad case of racism in me. of course, i tried not to show my racism to my children. but if they hung around me very long, they'd know it. because i was a racist. >> as a child, we were taught that the minorities, black, were like a germ. you didn't go where they went. you didn't sit where they sat. we were better than them. that was normal. the only way to describe it is

that the black and minorities were like a cockroach. they were like second-class citizens. >> at age 29, julie joined the national alliance. >> the national alliance is a neonazi movement. and this particular organization is not the kind that goes around wearing swastikas and brown shirts. they were looking for a more subtle member. because they felt like if their members were in the system they could make more changes. >> after 16 years in the movement, brian, along with his wife julie, became disillusioned. despite repeated death threats, they got out. >> you have to understand, this is a culture that in their minds they believe death before dishonor. to them dishonor is when somebody leaves the movement. so almost always the initial reaction is one of threats, one of potential assaults. >> brian and julie packed up their family, left their michigan home and moved to tennessee to be close to julie's

father. >> happy father's day. >> thank you. >> at age 50 i was looking for that peace that old people have. and i ended up finding it. i didn't know it was making a commitment to jesus. it changed my idea of racism, color. changed my idea of everything that the world has to offer. >> but starting anew hasn't been easy. >> when i was a skinhead i really didn't care about work. when you have a family to support it's a completely different ball game. usually it just boils down to they're going to make excuses on why they don't have to hire me as opposed to just saying we don't like the way you look. no one wants a circus freak next to him getting a paycheck, i guess. >> i feel like i'm going through it with him. i try to help him find jobs looking online and in the newspaper. then when he comes back from job hunting it's usually a very sobering experience for him. he gets depressed. and so i have to be the uplifter, cheer him up and encourage him. >> i know exactly what it's like

to be a black man and being discriminated against because of the way you look. i completely identify with them now. >> broke and without a job, brian had little hope of erasing his racist tattoos. enter an unlikely ally. the southern poverty law center or splc, is a nonprofit civil rights organization that tracks extremist groups and fights them in court. >> brian contacted us because we had published an article about the vinlander social club which was an organization that he was involved in. >> splc investigators, joe roy and lori wood, asked to meet with brian and julie. >> when we first met them we were talking obviously about my facial tattoos. that always comes up in conversations. and i was actually looking on e-bay at the time for der mall acid to burn them off my skin. >> when i first heard about that i was terrified that he would even consider that. >> the southern poverty law

center offered to cover the cost of brian's tattoo removal procedures. >> if i could prevent one other kid from making the same mistakes i did, if i can prevent one other family from having to go through the same -- the same crap that i put my family through, maybe i can redeem myself and maybe it will be worth it. >> the difficulty with brian is the number of them. i mean, it's just -- he's got so many. so the biggest challenge with him will be just the very large area of the surface of skin that we're going to have to treat. >> dr. bruce shack elects to treat brian's tattoos in a staged fashion, working on segments of his face and neck in a rotating manner. he anticipates the entire process will require eight to 12 sessions. >> we're just going to give you a little touch test here, brian. >> ow. >> that hurt? >> we need to numb him up then,

okay. you wouldn't want a lot of that, though. >> that really hurt. >> i'm going to give you a numbing medicine. this part will sting for a few seconds, but then it will get numb. >> unfortunately for something like this, with these randomly-placed tattoos it's hard to do a single shot and get it done. you've got so much. it's not the little needle sticks that hurt so much. this local anesthetic has a ph that's a little bit aacidic so it stings when it goes in. it's not a pleasant process. >> take deep breaths. in and out. >> nice and easy. >> brian receives approximately 30 injections on just one side of his face. >> i'm just going to start on this upper part of the nose where it will be a little less sensitive. you remember how this tattoo felt going on, i bet. almost done. >> that's it. that's it.

oh, man. that's it. some pressure there. have a good wait a minute, okay? let you catch your breath. that's the horrible part. all right, buddy. >> i want to be in there. it's driving me nuts. i'm always there through his surgeries, through everything. this is just kind of strange because it's pointless, you know, for me to do anything. but i could at least hold his hand like i usually do. i don't even think i could do that. i'd have to be in the other room anyhow. >> i met julie at nordic fest 2005. it was a white power concert out in kentucky. you go out there and you camp and listen to a few bands play and drink beer basically all weekend. she was out there with the kids. >> the reason my mommy and my daddy got married is because of me. >> and why is that? >> because i wanted a picture with him. >> she was probably about two or three. almost three years old. and she went up to him.

and she tried to pull on his leg and wanted a picture with him. so i asked him, do you mind if she takes a picture with him. and she got her picture with him. and that's how me and daddy met, huh? yeah. >> i got a picture with her. and then i chatted with julie a little bit. she was just really cool. and i just thought, wow, she's just a really cool chick. we didn't really talk a whole lot at nordic fest. we started talking a couple months later, actually, over the phone. >> we'd have all these conversations late at night what we wanted in life, how we both wanted a family, how our childhoods were. >> she was easy to talk to. i always liked hearing her stories. i mean, there was something about her. one night after i got home from the bar i got in a bar fight and i was pissy. i was about half drunk and i called her up and proposed. i want to raise a family. i'm done with this. i called her up and proposed and she send because she's crazy. >> we just got married at the

justice of the peace. you have to become engaged to somebody i'd only met in person once and talked on the phone for a couple of months was pretty crazy. >> i love my wife. my wife is my rock. she was a gift from god. that's all there really is to that. she saved my life. >> try this again, okay? that better? >> much. >> we start with what we know will be a safe dose. we watch for the response. we don't want to see any bleeding. we want to just see that little white frosting on the surface of the skin. >> some of these areas you can tell that the ink's a little deeper. well, like i said, you may feel an occasional twinge where you just have a little spot that didn't quite get numb. >> okay. going over a big area now. i'm sorry. does that hurt? >> let's get out of that spot.

>> almost done. >> i think that's got it. okay. you did great, buddy. for a first round that was tough, i know, but you did great. all right? >> thank you. >> you're welcome, my friend. >> tonight was pretty rough. feels like my face is just trying to bust out. [ man ] i loved my first car... sometimes the door gets stuck... oh sure. ooh! [ man ] ...and then, i didn't. um... [ sighs ] [ man ] so, i got a car i can love a really, really long time. [ male announcer ] for the road ahead, the all-new subaru impreza. ♪ experience love that lasts. i'm here to unleash my inner cowboy. instead i got heartburn. [ horse neighs ] hold up partner. prilosec isn't for fast relief.

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the night was pretty rough. i ended up waking up about 2:00, 2:30, something like that, and falling back asleep about 4:00 and getting back up at 7:00. the pain is the worst part. it just -- it really aches really bad. feels like my face is just trying to bust out. >> i just don't like seeing my dad -- like it looks like he's like crying but he's not. i just don't like seeing my dad like that. i always ask him if he can see out of that eye and he says not very well. because it's like his eye's all covered up.

>> i'm going to the pharmacy to get his prescription, his pain medicine. the second treatment has been a little bit harder for me to watch him go through because i know how much pain he was in the first treatment. and it hurts to see people you love in pain. >> there's some swelling in the hospital. by the time we got home it was pretty poofed out. by about 10:00 last night my eye was already almost this bad. they just progressively keeps getting worse. i still have flashbacks. past things that i've done, things that have happened to me. >> one of brian's recurring nightmares centers on an incident that took place after he and fellow skinheads roughed up an african-american man. >> well, we went outside, the black guy was gone. and he had about seven or eight of his buddies out there waiting for the four of us. he came back and he put a .380 in my face. it was a big gun. and planted it against my forehead and told me he was going to shoot me. so at that point i was scared to

death, obviously. i thought i was going to die. but it really dawned on me the next morning that i came that close to having my brains all over the side of a building. and i still -- i still see his face and feel that gun on my forehead most nights, actually. >> it's brian's third treatment, but it's the first on his neck. >> i'm going to start slipping you some cocktails while we get monitors put on. >> because of brian's neck sensitivity, the decision is made to use general anesthesia. since he'll be asleep, dr. shack decides to also treat one side of brian's face. >> everybody gone -- just like will smith said in "men in black." difference between me and you, i make this look good. [ laughter ]

>> when you run something so hot, eventually it burns out. that's what we did with the outlaw hammerskins. a lot of members got really paranoid. there was rumors of drug dealing going, it just self-exploded. me and james and a bunch of guys who hung out with the hammerskins decided to make one more crew and take over the whole white power skinheads. >> they joined the hoosier state skin heads. >> my role was to start chapters an move on. i would set up a chapter, set up leadership and go to another city. i didn't have family so i just bounced everywhere. any local skinhead crews i would find anybody that was worth a [ expletive ] in the crews, recruit them and run off all their buddies. we were on a mass recruiting spree so we could actually go against the hammerskin nation. >> brian worked to sit up skinhead crews in sever states.

>> it was working out like, two three states. but we had five, six states under our belt. so we decided we're just going to go under one banner. >> the knew banner became known as the vinlander social club. >> the vinlanders pulled in other organizations like the hoosiers. their efforts were to be more radical than the hammer skin nation. if you bring a knife we're going to bring a gun. if you assault one of our members we're going to kill one of your members. >> they were at war with each other. there were skirmishes all the time. >> as brian mass recruited he sunk deeper into the depths of alcoholism. >> i was drinking about a 30-pack a day. if that didn't cut it i'd go with a 30-pack and a bottle of jack daniels. i was literally drinking myself to death. i was miserable. i was absolutely miserable. so instead of trying to change it at the time, my out was death. that's the skinhead philosophy.

retirement program is either the prison or the grave. i didn't feel like going to prison. so that would have been the other alternative. >> brian? brian? you're all done, buddy. open your mouth up wide. you're all done, buddy. >> try to stay on your back. >> brian, you hear me? >> yes. >> just relax. >> stay right on your back. >> we're just going to take you to the wake up room. >> i think he's more concerned about my stress level than anything else. he just wants me to see him so i know he's okay. because i'm a mom and i worry, 1,000 times more than i should. >> well, right now his blood pressure is 179 over 108. so we definitely want to bring that down to his pre-op what he was. >> this just hurts so bad, baby. >> i'm so sorry.

>> brian, is it getting any better? >> it hurts like hell. >> zero being no pain, 10 the worst about a 10? >> i'm thinking 11. >> i'm going to give you more medicine in your iv, okay? >> i was a little intimidated by both of them. my first impression of brian came from the other nurses. they told me he had a lot of tattoos on his face. they didn't really know exactly what all they meant. but they weren't good. i have never seen anyone with that many tattoos on their face. >> i'm going to let you sign and i'm going to give you this and let you go. >> don't sign any legal documents today, either. >> okay. >> you've had general anesthesia. >> she's in charge of you today. >> she's in charge every day. i don't have a problem. >> just even more. >> say that again. >> i love my wife. >> thank you. she's the cute one. >> no. you're the cute one. >> y'all are both cute. how about that? ,

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well, i think he's making steady progress. it hasn't been quite as rapid as i had hoped it was going to be when we started this process several months ago. we talked about maybe we can get this done in seven or eight treatments but it's going to take more than that, obviously. this whole process may wind up taking a year and a half before

we've we're finished. >> following several treatments, the medical team alters their approach. >> so now what we're doing, we've done the last couple of times it's worked very well. we put him to sleep. once he's asleep then we give him the local anesthesia. then we do the treatment. so when he wakes up his face is still numb. the numbing medicine wears off slowly over a few hours so the pain kind of builds slowly. he can tolerate it much better. >> this also allows dr. shack to treat brian's entire face and neck every visit. >> this is america. >> we want a white america! >> realistically most skin heads got into it because they thought there was going to be this huge racial holy war that, we were all going to take up arms and die in glory on the field of battle. a lot of skinheads even to this day still believe that crap. >> a lot of it's brain washing. you can convince any street kid that the black man has been keeping them down.

the jews, they control the media and they are in a conspiracy to overthrow the world. you can convince any kid of that. and that's what they do. >> the white race is literally surrounded by non-white hordes who want to pour over our walls, murder and rape your children, kill your wife, rape your freaking daughters. are we going to stand for that, people? >> no! >> this whole "we hate minorities because they're destroying our culture" it's all just a good tag for skinheads to be [ expletive ] heads and beat up anybody they want. the longest i did in jail in one sitting was a year. that was for beating up a mexican up in hamilton county, indiana. we went out and got just completely [ expletive ]-faced. i went in the bathroom. there was a mexican in there mopping. i started making some snide comments because i was drunk and wanted to pick a fight. so i proceeded to kick the [ expletive ] out of him in the bathroom. i smashed his face into the toilet a few times and kick some teeth out. i worked him over pretty good.

>> hey! good morning! now what about your hands? >> what about them? >> do you want him to get this? >> yeah. absolutely. >> we'll do that today. >> okay. >> this is the first tattoo i got. i got no use for it anymore. >> look at the response we get with this. >> if i'm going this far to get all those taken off, getting the hands would be the next logical step. that way i could actually wear a long sleeve and blend in to the best of my ability. >> are you cold? >> it hurts. >> it hurts? >> it hurts. >> his hand are bothering him. >> your hands? >> okay, brian, it's count of

one to 10. is it excruciating? more so than usual? >> the hand may swell up really bad like boxing gloves. the swelling throbs and kills. the worst part about it is you don't realize how much you use your hands for everything in the world until you can't use them. the pain sucks but it's the frustration that really gets me. >> we almost got divorced right after we got married because he was drinking almost every night. >> the beginning of our relationship was pretty rough. i was city a heavy alcoholic when we got married. and i had the notion that i could raise a family and still drink a 30-pack a day. >> when he drank, his friends were around. and he wasn't the same person.

he definitely was an instant [ expletive ] just add alcohol. that was brian when he drank. >> we fought about everything. if i didn't do the dishes she'd scream at me. if she didn't sweep the floor or something i'd scream at her. we were at each other's throats. and it basically boiled down to i had to figure out what was more important to me, my booze or my family, my babies. copd makes it hard to breathe, so i wasn't playing much of a role in my own life, but with advair, i'm breathing better so now i can take the lead on a science adventure.

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wives. half of them couldn't hold jobs. they were felons. they would have bastards all over the country, not pay a dime into child support. and they just -- they liked to preach all this higher noeblt but nobody wanted to practice anything. >> at the nordic fest where they met, julie says she witnessed skinheads and clan members having sex with underage girls. >> actually there was two tents with girls in there. and the guys kept going in and taking turns having sex with them. they were running trains on the girls. and so in my mind, what i thought, these men do not give a crap about age. they don't care of -- there's no, she's an aryan woman. we must honor her and treasure the woman. there's none of that. taste ridiculous. they don't care. >> she told me about it. the thing is i wasn't surprised at all. and at that point i had already been a skinhead for about 15, 16

years. nothing would surprise me anymore. >> i myself had a girl that was 14. that moment that made me think that that could be my child is probably the moment of the turning point where i started questioning everything that i've been led to believe all those years. >> there was plenty of times where i'd see some of my brothers kick the crap out of their old ladies. >> i had a good friend. and she was nine months pregnant. and her boyfriend of ten years punched her in the eye. and this is the white power movement. and this happens all the time. >> after awhile, you feel like that really eats at you. and then you just realize that all these things that you've been telling yourself for years upon years and other people have been telling you, it's all just bull [ expletive ]. >> we were both at the point where this whole thing is ridiculous. we weren't really out yet. we were both in there hanging on by a string.

>> as bryan and julie struggled to escape the skinhead movement they sought the counsel of a rival of sorts. >> lamont jenkins is an anti-racist who runs the web site one people's project. >> julie was -- i'm guessing at her wit's end. she wanted to talk to somebody. it's obvious that they're going through something. they're asking for my help. so okay, you got it. you got it. i mean, i think of you as a human first. i don't think of you as an adversary. >> bryan's first conversation with darrel lasted more than three hours. >> he was educated. he knew what the hell he was talking about. we liked a lot of the same [ expletive ]. he was a son of a preacher and in the punk rock movement out in new york. >> our conversation was about the music scene. we was able to get together on kind of like this common bond that we had with each other to begin with. and it just became something else as we went along. >> and the more i talked to him, the more i actually realized

that ied that more in common with him than some of the guys i'd bud did up with for close to 20 years. but that really changed me in a lot of ways. >> bryan's breakaway from the skin heads was accelerated when julie became pregnant. it would be bryan's first biological child. >> when we found out we were pregnant with him, i realized it wasn't about just me anymore. i had this baby coming, and the partying had to stop. being a derelict had to stop. but he really opened my eyes to what it means to be a man, basically, and try to step up to the plate. >> bryan slowly withdrew from skinhead activities, spending more time with family and less time with the vinlanders. >> i was trying to actually provide food for my family and the crew took a second place. it didn't -- it didn't have the priority that it once had. and everybody started getting kind of pissy about it. and eventually brian james, the president of the club, called me

up and said i had to make a choice between either my family or them. and so i chose my family. >> threats and harassment quickly followed. >> there were calls at 3:00 in the morning saying "we're coming to get you." random phone calls "you're going to die. your family's going to die." i had to live on red alert. i wasn't sleeping at night because i was wondering when seven, eight guys were going to kick in my door and just start shooting everybody. i didn't want to let my kids play outside. i couldn't in good conscience let them play in a yard where somebody could just drive into the yard and run them over. and to put those kids through that was just -- it was miserable on that aspect, plus it was miserable that seven or eight of these guys decided to show up there was very little i could do about it besides just get myself killed and let them have their way. it was -- it was hell. it was hard.

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bryan and julie left the white power movement. bryan was being threatened by their mates. >> they take everything they have and throw it at you. i was pregnant with terson. i was so sick. i was cramping up. we thought we were going to lose him. that was the summer i had the nervous breakdown. >> julie and i got into an argument one day over some shirt on the clothes line outside. and she was hormonal and i was dealing with her being pregnant plus dealing with the club bull [ expletive ]. i snapped and threw her and isabelle la out of the room and i ate a bottle of pills. >> it was pretty horrible. it was one of those "i'm pregnant. don't leave me. don't leave me with all this

stuff going on, you know. i love you. we finally found each other. we have so much in common. i finally found someone that relates to me and i can be myself to and that knows me heart and soul." and i didn't want to lose him. >> i was a roller coaster at that point. there was up and down. i was just a wreck. i got into mental care and started seeing a shrink to get my head back together. i made the decision to quit drinking then. it was incredibly hard because i did it cold turkey. i just quit drinking. and it was rough. >> so he made the decision. never once did i give an ultimatum. not once to quit drinking. he did all that on his own.

good morning. >> good morning. >> how are you feeling? >> >> all right. >> last treatment today. >> yep. >> i can't believe it's going to be a year and a half. >>. >> nor >>. >> neither can i. >> it's been a long time. but i can't believe it's at the end. i think about him and how he feels. because i know why he got the tattoos on his face to begin with. and i wonder because when he's quiet sometimes how he's feeling, how he's thinking with the tattoos off. because i think he's extremely attractive with or without them. >> we've had some pretty great cases at the southern poverty law center. this one for me has been different. it's an opportunity to see what life's all about. life is about redemption. and we're trying to find our way in life. and this is an illustration on steroids. >> i'd like to personally thank the southern poverty law center. we wouldn't be making this change in our life.

because we would never have been able to afford it. we owe them so much. and just -- it's been incredible. i'm going to cry. this has just -- it's been a great trip. it really has. that somebody cared enough for another human being, you know, and another family to do this, to allow this to happen, i'm so incredibly grateful. >> there have been a couple of times when i wanted to throw in the towel, where i didn't want to do it anymore. it's been hard. it really has. >> what he's done with his life has been remarkable. we're just proud to have been able to play some small role in this rehabilitation process for him. and hopefully this will be something that he will carry with him and continue to do well throughout the rest of his life. anybody who puts himself through

this much torture is bound to want to do something good with it once it's all over with, absolutely. okay. that was it. bryan, we're all done, buddy. that got it. we'll tell him again when he wakes up. but we're done. it's been an interesting road. you know, we've gotten to know them so well. they've sort of become a part of our routine around here. >> you've been awesome. >> we've been through a lot together. >> you guys have truly shown us the meaning of family. what we thought, what we were into, there's no comparison on true feelings, you know? >> well, it's been our pleasure. it's been a joy getting to know you guys. and we're going to miss seeing you so much. >> i know. >> all right. >> he's the one that brought the light. we just did the work. he wanted to make these changes. and so it was very important for us to be able to try to help him if we could. even though it took a lot longer than any of us ever expected that it would i think we wound

up with what's going to be a very nice outcome for him. >> dr. shack's office always treated me with dignity and with respect. to them the tattoos weren't there. i was a normal person in their eyes. and that's rare for me. i never felt out of place there at all. they have always been so helpful, so sweet. i mean, i love those guys. i really do. >> give me a hug. you're all so sweet. >> goodbye. >> kiss the baby for me. >> i will. you, too. >> bye bye, leslie. take care. >> bye, guys. >> i have my face back. it's great. i'm just -- i'm so excited. i'm so blessed that the opportunity came to where i could get it done, you know? god's obviously smiling upon me for some reason.