e elements of science and the human element can solve anything. solutionism. the new optimism. breaking news, here at noon in the east. legendary "60 minutes" correspondent, mike wallace, has died at the age of 93. good day, everyone and welcome to "weekends with alex witt." he came into our living rooms every sunday evening with a tenacious and distinct style of interviewing, one that made you both comfortable, at times uncomfortable. and yet, always enlightened in a sense he changed the way people in the news business approached any interview they did and that's what made him a legend. when we learned a short time ago from cbs that mike wallace had passed away, on a sunday, no less, the day we all likely first met him on that television screen in our family living rooms, it somehow seemed appropriate, but no less difficult to hear. as you probably know, wallace

was a fixture for 40 years as one of the original correspondents of the long-running news magazine, "60 minutes." here, now, a look at the life and times of mike wallace, from nbc's ron allen. >> i'm mike wallace -- >> no one conducted an interview quite like mike wallace. >> to get anything done -- money. >> he was aggressive. >> why are you so reluctant. hard-hitting. >> i have no intention of leaving until you tell me what's on your mind. >> no holds barred. >> they must be ashame of something. >> even with famous friends. >> you're going to be in japan and i'm told it's a $2 million two weeks. >> they're getting two of us, they're working us like crazy. >> but it's going to be a well-recompensed two weeks. now you really didn't need that question. >> for 38 seasons he was there every sunday on 60 mint, a program that became the most influential primetime news

program in television history. >> steroid abuse. >> wallace's abuse covered more than half a century of american history. interviews with a lengthy list of notables, just about every significant news-maker of his time. presidents and prime ministers. >> may i ask my question, please, sir? >> are you the representative of the zionist regime or a journalist? >> if his is the teflon presidency, nothing sticks. >> mine was the opposite. >> he said the public figure he most admired was martin luther king jr. >> i think for the negro to turn to violence would be both impractical and immoral. >> wallace once told a reporter the interview he wanted most, but never got, was with pope john paul ii. myron wallace was born may 9th, 1918, in brookline, massachusetts. he became a broadcaster while at the university of michigan on campus radio station. he was a news writer in chicago in the '40s, served as a navy

communications officer during world war ii. he moved to new york in the 1950s and joined cbs, handling a variety of broadcasting duties. everything from entertainment to hard news. on tv and radio. he even briefly starred on stage, on broadway. the turning point came in 1956, an interview program called "night beat." >> good evening, i'm mike wallace, the show is night beat. >> with wallace challenging his guests with tough questions, something new for tv. >> what kind of people are your friends? >> he covered most of the great stories of the '60s, including the vietnam war. then in 1968 -- >> it's kind of a magazine for television. >> "60 minutes," the program that would create much of the legacy wallace leaves behind. the lowest point of his career, wallace often said was the $120 million liable suit a retired general william westmoreland, commander of u.s. forces in vietnam. a documentary claimed that the general had misled the public

about the progress of the vietnam war. >> the people in washington were not sophisticated enough to understand and evaluate this thing and neither was the media. >> after a lengthy trial, the suit was dropped before the case went to the jury. cbs offered an apology. later, wallace revealed that was when he began a battle with depression. >> what happened with me is that a marriage broke up, i had to move out of my house where i had lived for 22 years. and i was on trial for liabbel. now that kind of stress put together simply, i don't know, triggered. >> in 19 96 wallace stepped away from "60 minutes" and full-time reporting. he is survived by his wife, mary yatesnd, son chris wallace and daughter colleen.

ron allen, nbc news, new york. >> and joining me now here on the set is long-time cbs colleague of mike wallace and now our nbc news correspondent, harry smith. thanks for being here. sad day, because for so many of us, we knew him so well through the television. you knew him though, as a colleague. what was he like? what do you think of most when you think about him? >> a great guy. a great guy. phenomenally competitive and a spectacularly high standard. it was so interesting. you look at mike wallace, the guy started in radio, he had a skin condition as a kid. there was never any thought that well there was no television when he started out. there wasn't even radio when he was born. but there was, there was never a thought of some -- he had this great voice. that's the other thing. when you look at all of what mike wallace was, so much of it was this authoritarian voice that seemed to cut through everything. could cut through interviews, could cut through narrations of

tracks. he had an amazing package of talents. and more than anything else, he was generous, especially to new correspondents coming in. he said, come in, join the fray. >> i was going to ask about his stature inside the venerable cbs news. was he feared? certainly respected. >> you know what wallace could do that nobody else could do, he could do the interview with johnny carson or a head of state or whomever -- ronald and nancy reagan. he was with peers. he wasn't, they were on the same level. that conversation was taking place between peers. it wasn't like he was reaching up in any way. they looked at him as an equal. and that, i think in many ways is what set him apart. >> you bring up a point. you say he reached out to the younger correspondents as they came in and they were able to learn from him. i mean he's really one of the last of an incredible generation of journalists. what do you think modern news

media can learn if his career? well, you know, it's interesting. because he did so much spectacular work. but what we tend to not focus on very much is he had this great show business past. >> i didn't know he was on stage. >> he was on stage, he did game shows, he did commercials that back in the old, old days, the news announcers were part show business, part news announcers. they weren't journalists, per se, especially in the early days of television. and he took some of that panache along with him as he went into the business. and there was an aspect of him that he was a performer. and that served him so well in so many of those really difficult situations. where you've got to ask the tough questions. where you've got to nail down that subject. who wants to be squirming away. he could summon up that stuff and put it to them. >> the best journalists in their way of communicating through

television as if they are themselves. some people aren't themselves on tv and you get a different look at them. was mike wallace the same in the hallway, the corridors of cbs or over dinner? >> as best i can tell, as best i can tell. i think the other really significant thing that he did, was to go public with his, about talking about his bouts with depression. it really made a big difference. jay kerniss, who was a producer of mike's at "60 minutes" and now works here at nbc. told me the story of being up in harlem working on a story. and an ambulance driver drives over, jumps out of the truck and hands mike a jacket. and says, you talked about your story with depression, i saw you on this very street corner ten years ago. you told me i needed to go get help. i got help and it changed my life. he handed him the jacket. i've been waiting for you to reappear on this corner to give

you this jacket. >> this ambulance driver said like you take this, you're a paramedic as well for the work you did. >> you saved my life. this is the least thing i can do in return. >> that's a great story. he had said that he wanted on his epitaph to read, "tough, but fair." will that be inscribed there? >> yeah, i think so. i think so. i can tell you one other story that jay shared with me. and that is, he felt guilty about all of those cigarette ads he did back in the '50s, in the early days of tv. and jay saw him do this episode, once he saw him do it a million times. they would be on the street working on a story and if a beautiful woman was walking by with a cigarette in her mouth, he would walk over and take the cigarette away and say -- i thought you told me you were going to quit. >> that's so funny. charming -- >> and so they would end up laughing about it and everything else. and say, you have to quit and jay would ask mike, why did you do that? he said, i spent a good portion of my life selling these

horrible things. and telling everybody it was okay. i have some, i have some atoning to do for those sins. >> well, not many sins as a journalist, that's for sure. he was remarkable. we're going to miss him. >> peer-less, i think is the way to describe him. >> i think you're a very respected peer, we're so glad you're with us, thank you for coming in on easter sunday as well, harry smith. repeating our breaking news this morning, legendary newsman, mike wallace has died. wallace was 93 years old. rse the earth's gravitational pull and hurtle us all into space. which would render retirement planning unnecessary. but say the sun rises on december 22nd, and you still need to retire. td ameritrade's investment consultants can help you build a plan that fits your life. we'll even throw in up to $600 when you open a new account or roll over an old 401(k). so who's in control now, mayans?

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developing now, two arrests in the deadly shootings in tulsa, oklahoma. police say they arrested two men, 19-year-old jake england and 32-year-old alvin watts, both of them will be charged with murder. friday morning, three people were killed and two others

wounded at four different locations. and joining me on the phone is tulsa mayor, dewey bartlett. welcome, mr. mayor, thank you for joining us. >> my pleasure, thank you. >> what can you tell us about the arrests and the shootings? >> well the encouraging thing was that this came together very quickly. the community of tulsa became very, very involved and very united. and their design zooir to bring this to a quidesire to bring th to a quick end and because of a series of tips given by the public to the police department, the two arrests were made this morning. just about 48 hours from the time that the shootings had occurred. so we're very pleased that it happened. but obviously we're still devastated about the five individuals that were assaulted and the three families that have now lost a loved one. and obviously a terrible thing to happen. especially this weekend. >> you can imagine, sir. you have five shootings, we know four of them took place in the

span of about 57 minutes. two fatalities and two that survived there. you've got to wonder what in the world were these men doing in that white truck. >> well, we don't know, the interviews, the interrogation, i believe is still ongoing. i know it's been going on since they were arrested. so hopefully we'll get to the bottom of it, and we'll get some information out fairly soon. we do have a press conference called for this afternoon at 3:00 local time. which i believe would be 4:00 your time. so maybe we'll get hopefully a lot more information and be able to answer that question. >> okay. mayor bartlett, is there any indication that race played a role? >> well, as a tie can be made, since the five people that were shot, were african-americans, and the two people that had been arrested and are suspected, being involved, are both white men. at least appear to be white men.

one of them might have a different racial background. but generally i would say he's a white man. we have not had any indication so far, that this was their motive, however, i have not talked with police department members that are, that are involved with the interrogation, so i do know that if it, if it does appear that race was a factor, that this is a hate crime, then we will certainly join and encourage the, the officials for the state or federal to pursue this to the extent, full extent of the law. and pursue it in an appropriate way. >> we should mention, mayor bartlett, that indeed the fbi and state forces have joined the authorities in tulsa to get to the bottom of it. the terror that this struck in your community there. there were people changing their lifestyles in what they were

going about doing, not dissimilar to what we saw in the washington, d.c. area a number of years ago where there seemed to be random shootings of people out walking. >> it's crazy. something we take for granted, being able to walk around our neighborhoods, be in our front yards, enjoy the night without having to worry about being assaulted, much less shot. this type of thing to happen, tulsa is a very nice city, it's relatively quiet and you have our share of this and that, but not that to this extent where you have five people being shot, relatively confined neighborhood area. within several minutes of each other. this is something that most cities never experience. so for us, for this to happen to us is a terrible event and obviously just shocking to us

and so we're glad to get these two arrested and hopefully this will be the end of that and we can go on with our lives. but understanding that we, as always, need to be very vigilant about our relationships and about how, how we approach our community. >> mayor dewey bartlett of tulsa, sir, thank you so much for your time on this holiday sunday, i appreciate that. >> you're very welcome. to front page politics, a nut is not dropping out, but newt gingrich says mitt romney is most likely going to get the republican nomination. >> we are absolutely committed to defeating barack obama. if mitt romney ends up as a republican nominee, i will work as hard for him as i would for myself. >> a major development for the mitt romney campaign, records from the federal election commission show romney and the republican national committee have officially filed paperwork to form a joint fundraising committee and an aide for rick santorum said the candidate will not campaign in pennsylvania tomorrow, instead he's going to

stay with his 3-year-old daughter, bella, centuriilily i virginia hospital, she suffers from a dwektd that claims the lives of most children in the first year. we all wish that family well. joining me now, politic staff writer, shira tuplet. >> why are we talking about newt gingrich? >> it's like the old saying if a tree falls in a forest and no one heres it, does it make a sound. if newt gingrich makes a sound and no reporters are there to cover him, does he still make an impact? i think the answer to that, definitely no. newt gingrich, i think at this point you have to look at his candidacy, what does he have to lose by staying in even further. i don't think he's going to be on the short list for vp, certainly not or secretary of state. so at this point he's running to salvage his own image as much as he can. >> let's go to rick santorum now. do you think his camp is assessing the cost-benefit late

yoe of continuing? it seems there's more upside to quitting than potentially losing in your home state this month. >> he's taking a pause to examine his option. he has this family concern he's dealing with as well. i'm sure that's having an effect on him emotionally. we all know he's very close to his family and he has a love of love for his daughter who is very young and very ill. i think a lot of it you might look at the end of the week, where the poll numbers are. poll numbers have shifted so quickly in this race over the entire course of the gop nomination. it's possible he could still rebound in pennsylvania. his own home state. possibility is there. he just needs to see if he has the money and funds to be able to compete with mitt romney. who by the way, placed a massive statewide media buy over the weekend in pennsylvania. one of the largest campaign operatives ever seen in the state for a gop nomination. >> interesting. let's go to the president's campaign. because national security has always been a gop talking point. there's an article in the "new york times" that says president

obama is emphasize his national security record. might this be an issue where the republicans don't have a definite advantage in this cycle? >> i think you're right. in the past republicans have run on a strong national security records and perhaps be more hawkish. i think that was turned a little bit over this time in part because the president can say that his administration captured osama bin laden. i think that's going to be, it's not going to be, he needs to be careful not to make that a primary talking point in his campaign. but it's there. and i think a lot of voters recognize that. it will be a unique campaign. it's interesting to see the white house or the last couple weeks have tried to make the president seem very presidential a lot of ways. you've seen him make speeches in a lot of the traditional presidential venues talk about things in ways he hasn't previously in his administration. i think it's to show a separation between the president in office looking very mature and stately versus the squabbling republican candidates still on the trail, sniping at each other. >> shira tuplet, always good to speak to you there from "roll

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peter's square to hear pope benedict xvi lead the easter sunday mass. during his sermon, he said he hopes the joy of the holiday will comfort christian who is suffer for their faith in jerusalem crowds attended mass and prayer sessions. just outside the ancient city wals, hundreds sang gospel. and here at home, hundreds gathered in front of the lincoln memorial in washington, d.c., for a beautiful sunrise service. worshippers have been showing up for the celebration every easter sunday since 1979. this weekend also marks a holy time for jews, the passover holiday began on friday. anchor aj is digging out from the snowiest season on record. 11 feet of snow fell, breaking a record. the city official says the amount of snow hauled away could practically fill the new orleans super dome. coming up, what's in an ad

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these two terrific books. how did you first begin working with mike wallace? >> before i wrote the, before we wrote "close encounters" i had written a book on cbs news called "air time." in it i obviously featured wallace, as well as cronkite and rather and the whole gang. but he was struck with the way i dealt with the story of his son's death back in 1963. i was on a book tour and he tracked me down out in los angeles and said he, he wanted to talk to me and i didn't know what he had in mind at the time. and we had lunch and i said fine, as long as it's by mike wallace and gary paul gates. i knew him somewhat when i worked at cbs news, but i didn't work directly with him, actually.

>> well, but you did have the lunch with him and so, and got to work with him on these books. we know him mostly as just this hard-hitting interviewer on television. what was he like off-camera? >> well he was a little bit of that. we had more than a few scraps along the way as you might expect. but the marvelous thing about mike is that no matter how confrontational or pugnacious he could be, it was never, it never lasted and it was just in the moment and once that was over, the other side of it is he was really a good guy. he had marvelous wit and charm and a good and loyal friend. not just to me, but to many of his colleagues. and so he was a mixture of the two. he could, he could rabbit-punch with the best of them as you all know. he knew how to turn on the charm and affection as well. >> did he ever talk to you about the things he was most proud of in his career?

>> oh, sure. in no particular order. the, his breakthrough program was back in the '50s, "night beat." he, prior to that, he had been doing a number of things, from commercials to game shows to, some news. but that was the one in which he, which made his mark as a tough interviewer. it really did. in fact i, i think we wrote somewhere, i wrote somewhere in "close encounters" it was the first time television viewers were exposed to his brow-beating charm. and that really became his signature. then later he went to cbs news and the whole thing with 60 minutes was interesting because this program was originally conceived with just harry reasoner. and then one of the executives, i forgot which one said no, no,

harry is terrific, but he's urbane and amusing and light-hearted. we need a black hat to go with harry's white hat. and no one wore the black hat better than mike. >> you know, as i was speaking earlier with his former cbs news colleague, harry smith, we talked about what mike himself said he would want to see on his epitaph, which is "tough, but fair." you concur with that? you think that's the way he would want to be remembered? >> absolutely. that's lovely of harry to recall that. because it's absolutely true. and in fact, alex, it was the very last line of "close encounters." in which mike himself said, you know, he didn't know how much time he had left. but it turned out he had a lot of time. 20 years later we wrote another book. he said he wanted to be remembered as tough, but fair. and the fair -- the fair meants much to him as the tough, too.

>> there you are. the one to confirm that as a result of the end of their book, "close encounters" with him. gary gates, thank you for taking the time to speak to us about a man who i'm certain was your friend. thank you. >> thank you and i'm a loyal viewer so this is indeed a privilege. >> have a great weekend, thank you. >> repeating our breaking news, legendary cbs news newsman mike wallace has died at the age of 93. we're going to move to politics now, time for strategy talk. a new article today in politico examines president obama's search for an effective campaign slogan. reports suggest the white house has been cycling through potential catch phrases for the past year. they include winning our future, we can't wait, an america built to last, an economy built to last and a fair shot. but how critical is it to find a slogan? well for perspective i'm joined by former dnc communications director karen finney and republican strategist and newt gingrich senior campaign

adviser, david winston. did you like the way i tried to sell the slogans as i read them. did you have a favorite on the way i read it? >> i loved the way you read it. my personal favorite, which was not on the list is, i would stay with the original, yes, we can. because i think it's, i think continuity is important and i think reminding people that yes, we can win the future, yes, we can you know, in terms of foreign policy. and remind people that the work that needs to be done, is not yet done and it's going to take more than a single term to get there. so -- i would go back to stay the course with, yes, we can. >> okay. perhaps that one. there are those that would suggest hope and change, that's not one you can go back to. you have four years to get to reality. >> well, again i think you can make the argument. i would remind people that they, you know, talk about the civil rights movement. there was a ten-year period over which a lot of the major changes happened. so many movements in this

country are processes of change in this country have taken more than three years. and certainly not been obstructsed by a republican congress. so again, there's still reason to have hope. we're still trying to make these changes and i think reminding people, you know, you got to stick with this guy and you got to be a part. you can still be part of the change that we're trying to accomplish here. >> so, david, i'm curious, if you agree with karen's assessment, but or the question would be i guess how important is it for an incumbent president to come up with a new campaign slogan and how difficult is that. because now you've got a track record. >> no, and you identified the key element, when karen used the phrase, stay the course, the republicans tried it in the early '80s, stay the course is generally not where you want to go. after 38 months of 8% unemployment he has to come up with some statement that reflects some grand promise of what he's going to be able to accomplish. what he's got is he's had 38 months of 8% unemployment or

higher, growth rates of under 2%, the economy is really struggling. what he seems to be trying to do at this point in terms of his brand promise is i've been miserable, but the republicans are going to be horrible. that's not a choice that the american people are going to be looking fondly at. >> i want to step in the way back time machine and look at the catchy ad for dwight d. eisenhower in 1952. ♪ you like ike ♪ i like ike ♪ everybody likes ike ♪ hang out the banner ♪ we'll take ike to washington ♪ we don't want john or dean or harry ♪ ♪ let's get in step with the guy that's hep ♪ ♪ get in step with ike >> i like ike became rather iconic. but short of having a name that rhymes with "like" what makes a successful slogan? >> in that particular situation, it was hard not to like ike. he led the invasion of normandy

and it worked. so what a slogan has to do is reflect a brand promise. something that people believe that that individual can accomplish and matters to them. a slogan isn't just a catchy phrase to sort of cover up things. a slogan is intended to really reflect in fact what that person can accomplish and those two have to mesh. and if they don't it becomes very apparent. the politics is littered with slogans that didn't work. >> remember, also, that it's not just about a brand promise. it also slogans are about a point of contrast when former president bill clinton talked about putting people first, that was as much a slogan about what he would do, as it was a critique on what was not happening in the country. which is part of why i go back to one of the reasons i like the idea of "yes, we can" again, is to remind people it is optimistic, it says we can get these things done. and david cited the negative, without mentioning, you know, 38 months of positive job growth that we've seen. i mean we have been moving in

the right direction, not as fast as the president would like. i think he's always been very honest about that but i think he's made some progress on important fronts, but there's more left to do and i think acknowledging that, continuing to make people a part of the change, is part of the obama brand. >> may i just ask both of you, which slogan each of you remembers? you think one of the best that you've heard, karen, if you want to go first? >> i love "putting people first" it so spoke to what was happening at the time and the need for ordinary people to be seen and heard. >> david? >> i think i have to go back to the last election with john boehner when he used the phrase, "where are the jobs?" while the president was talking about health care the president was focused on the economy and focused on jobs. and he posed that question and all sorts of conversations were occurring, tax policy, and ultimately where are the jobs posed the question the american people wanted answered. and that created the contrast for the president. >> david winston, karen finney,

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>> meet me in front of strand books at 2:00. >> talk about a playground for the eyes, how close is it to becoming a reality? nick billiton is not only the technology blogger and reporter for "the new york times," he's author of a book "i live in the future and this is how it works." good day to you. this is a concept video. where did the idea for these google glasses come from and how accurate do you think the video portrayal of what might really exist in reality? >> there a few versions of these floating around in google's secret labs. it's part concept video, but part reality for futuristic googlers. where it came from is the idea that technology is taking over our lives a little bit too much. every time you get a text message you have to pull out your phone and look down at it. google is trying to create this experience that allows you to

interact with things by looking through a pair of glasses. >> you see that google's co-founder sergei brand seen wearing the google goggles, some sort of a social event in san francisco. how soon could these be available and let's talk about the cost. you got to think it will be expensive. >> really all it is is a cell phone put into a pair of glasses. if you have a camera built in, which is already in your cell phone and you have 3g access and things like that, it shouldn't be that much more expensive than a phone. the estimates i've heard is between $250 and $600. it depends on the scale that they build them. the response we got to these articles in "the new york times" about this stuff was just phenomenal. people are interested in what these things are and when they're going to be here. >> it does raise questions, not all of them supporting the concept, like what are the social, the health implications. i mean you hear this guy in the video he's talking to himself on the street. he's walking around, visually fixated elsewhere.

you think about driving. i mean what if people were to wear these while driving? >> i think it's a good point. i don't think we know the answers to some of the scientific implications of technologies yet. you know, i think we put a little bit too much emphasis on these things as being too distracting. they are distracting when you're driving. but in a work environment, maybe they're not. so we don't actually know. one of the things i've written about is some of the things they're trying to solve with these kinds of glasses is how are you trying to interact with them. how do you send a text message. they're playing around with like head nods to say yes and things like that. you could see strange experiences where people are wandering around, shaking and flailing their arms. >> here's a new bit of the demo. here we go. >> whoa, cool. take a photo of this. share it to my circles. oh, i'm running late.

music, stop. >> hi, what's up? >> hey. >> hey. >> you want to see something cool? >> yeah, sure. >> is that a ukelele? >> yeah, here goes. [ laughter ] >> that's beautiful. >> you know, nick, it almost seems like they've done away with a need for a keyboard. that it's all just voice-activated. >> the people i've spoken to who are using these things said it's voice activated. the one concern i did have when i heard about it is you can take a picture by pressing a little button on the glasses and i think there's going to be some privacy concerns that come up with these things, so that will be an interesting challenge for them to figure out. >> we'll see when they get closer to having it figured out. nick billiton thank you so much. >> a new poll over the trayvon martin case. uppliers...

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it's a gorgeous day in washington. a grand jury could convene as early as tuesday, to decide whether to indict george zimmerman for the shooting death of trayvon martin. the tragedy has sparked outrage and protests around the world and has raised serious questions about the role of race in american life. a new poll and story from "newsweek" finds that a racial divide still exists in the u.s. and p paints a stark portrait of the way black and white americans view their country. joining me is the author of the story, the senior writer for the "newsweek" and the daily beast and the author of the upcoming book "what would michelle do?" that should be a bestseller it sounds great, allison, thanks for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> it has been nearly 50 years since the civil rights act was

passed. what does the poll tell you about the state of race in america? >> that there really large differences between the way white americans and african-americans view where we are today as it pertains to race. most african-americans think racism still exists in a very, very large way. most white americans feel it has gone away. that racism is here in pockets, but is not widely felt by african-americans and that's a huge disparity in the terms of the way most racists think. most african-americans feel they face racism on a regular basis in every area of their lives and white americans don't see it in the same way. >> based on your reporting when you're out in the field, trayvon martin and everything else, did the results of the poll surprise you? >> yeah, in many ways. particularly with trayvon. because it's so clear, i think to so many people and i think that's sort of where the anger is, that something happened here, where a young boy was

killed and no one was arrested. why that is not seen as a problem by many people, because in terms of talking to people down there, oh, he was suspicious-looking, he should have just said what he was doing. you're going, this is a free country, he doesn't have to explain to someone who does not have a badge why he was walking down the street with skittles and iced tea. so that surprised me and the anger that's gotten so much attention this young man's death is not important. i've heard that from a lot of people in florida and elsewhere and i'm a little amazed. that the attitude towards this murder would be so lax. and viewed as not a racial issue when the average, i think white kid walking down the street would not necessarily be considered suspicious. >> well you know, based on what you're just saying i want to get to one of the questions in the poll which was answered, which showed one of the biggest divides there, the question was what caused trayvon's death. 80% of blacks think that it was racially motivated. only 35% of whites agree. getting over the debate of what

actually happened that night. what do you think causes that sort of divide. i think when you start from the premise that racism doesn't necessarily exist any more. which is what the poll shows overall, that's where you get to the point that race had nothing to do with trayvon martin. if you think that racism is basically officially ended, i think a lot of white americans felt when president obama was elected, that was the end of racism. no more complaints. i want to put, going to have our director pull that up right now. as you talk about president obama, this was the question that was asked, how the state of race relations since the president was elected, the numbers are not particularly good. were people expecting president obama to do more, to combat that? >> i think not so much to do more. i think african-americans, felt that the fact that the mainstream america or america as a whole would vote for this african-american man to be president must signal some type of change in attitude and must signal support or confidence or desire to have a better race

relationship. i think with white americans it also sort of said if we can vote for this man, obviously there's no more racism. so i think it gave this false ideal or the false sort of premise that things had gotten better when i think his election actually sort of brought out many of those sort of feelings that people had that were afraid to show them. now you have this visible image you can attach those feelings to and it happens to be president obama. >> the fact that you and i are talking about this and this has been a conversation that's gone on around this country on television in print, in living rooms, since the death of trayvon martin, do you have hope that this is going to help ultimately improve race relations in america when all is said and done? >> well, i think if that conversation, if it continues and if it's done in sort of a very sort of honest and calm way, what i worry about is if if know one is indicted and george

zimmerman stands trial, if he can explain exactly what happened, i think it's going to make things worse, i think african-americans want answers, they want to feel as though their children are not, i have to worry if my son goes outside, if someone kills him, is anyone going to be sort of arrested for this? is he going to have to face the music. i think if that doesn't happen, i don't see race relations getting much better, unfortunately. >> well allison samuels, always a pleasure to talk to you thank you so much. let's go to some cool images that caught my eye on this easter weekend. tomorrow is the 134th holiday egg roll at the white house, there's amazing historical images to come out of that event. it started in 1878 under president rutherford b. hayes and was geared toward children of all ages. eleanor roosevelt seen here in 1939 under her husband, franklin dell nor roosevelt it was

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welcome, we have this breaking news to share today, we've learned a short time ago from krshs, that pioneering newsman mike wallace has died at the age of 93. he was a fixture of sunday nights in america for 40 years as an original correspondent on "60 minutes." here now, a look at the life and times of mike wallace from nbc's ron allen. >> i'm mike wallace. >> no one conducted an interview

quite like mike wallace. >> to get anything done -- money. >> i was aggressive. hard-hitting. >> i have no intention of leaving until you tell me what's on your mind. >> no holds barred. >> they must be ashamed of something. >> even with famous friends. settle you're going to be in japan and i'm told it's a $2 million two weeks. >> they're getting two of us, they're working us like crazy. >> but it's going to be a well-recompensed two weeks. >> it is for everybody who goes there. and you really didn't need that question. >> a program that became the most influential primetime news program in television history. wallace's work covered more than half a century of american history. interviews with a lengthy list of notables, just about every significant news maker of his time. presidents and prime ministers.

>> may i ask you my question, sir. >> are you a representative of a zionist regime or a journalist. >> if his is the teflon presidency, nothing sticks. >> mine was the opposite. >> he said the public figure he most admired was martin luther king jr. >> i think for the negro to turn to violence would be both impractical and immoral. >> wallace once told a reporter the interview he wanted most, but never got was with pope john paul ii. myron wallace was born may 9th, 1918 in brookline, massachusetts. he became a broadcaster while at the university of michigan. on the campus radio station. he was a news writer in chicago in the '40s, served as a navy communications officer during world war ii. he moved to new york in the 1950s and joined cbs. handling a variety of broadcasting duties, everything from entertainment. ♪ >> to hard news, on tv and radio. he even briefly starred on stage, on broadway. the turning point came in 1956,

an interview program called "night beat." >> good evening, i'm mike wallace, the show is "night beat." with wallace challenging his guests with tough questions, something new for tv. >> what kind of people are your friends? >> he covered most of the great stories of the '60s, including the vietnam war. >> in 1968 -- >> it's kind of a magazine for television. >> "60 minutes," a program that would create much of the legacy that wallace leaves behind. the lowest part of his career, wallace often said was the $120 million libel suit by retired u.s. general william westmoreland. >> why would it have been a political bombshell? >> because the people in washington were not sophisticated enough to understand and to evaluate this thing and neither was the media. >> after a lengthy trial, the suit was dropped. before the case went to the jury. cbs offered an apology.

later, wallace revealed that was when he began a battle with depression. >> what happened with me is that a marriage broke up, i had to move out of my house where i had lived for 22 years. and there was i trial for libel, simultaneously. now that kind of stress put together, simply, i don't know, triggered and i didn't know it was happening. >> in 2006, wallace stepped away from "60 minutes" and full-time reporting. he was 87 years old. he is survived by his wife, mary yats, his son broadcaster chris wallace and a daughter, pauline. he leaves behind a body of work that raised the bar and set a standard in a way that few, if any, of his peers will ever match. >> i spoke with nbc news correspondent and long-time colleague of mike wallace, harry smith where he discussed the rare stature wallace held in the news business.

>> what wallace could do that nobody else could do. he could go do the interview with johnny carson or a head of state or whom ever. ronald and nancy reagan. he is with peers. they were on the same level that conversation was taking place between peers. it wasn't like he was reaching up in any way. they looked at him as an equal. that i think in many ways is what set him apart. >> legendary newsman, mike wallace has died at the age of 93. developing now, arrests in the deadly shootings of three people in tulsa, oklahoma. 19-year-old jake england, and 32-year-old alvin watts are expected to be charged with murder. saturday morning, three people were killed and two others wounded at four different locations. the tulsa police chief said their investigation would follow the evidence

nbc's charles hadlock is in tulsa today. let's get the latest on the arrest and the shootings. i imagine there's a sigh of relief by many in the community there. >> you bet, alex. tulsa awakened today to the news it had been waiting to hear. that the person or persons believed responsible for the killing spree on friday had been captured. this morning at 1:47 a.m. police arrested 32-year-old alvin watts and 19-year-old jake england. police say watts and england will be charged with three counts of murder and two counts of shooting with intent to kill. it all started friday morning when three people were shot and killed within a few hours of each other in a predominantly african-american area of north tulsa. two other people were wounded, one of those survivors described the shooting man with the gun as a white man driving a white pickup truck. then late last night, at 6:00, police found a burned truck in

osage county to the north of us here in tulsa. the tulsa newspaper said it was registered to jake england of tulsa and the local newspaper also reports that jake england's father, carl, was shot and killed two years ago to the day on april 5th, of 2010, about a mile away from where the first shooting victim was found on friday. they don't know the connection yet. but there are some facebook postings that indicate that jake was very upset over the death of his father, and he said quote, it's hard not to get off. we'll have more on this coming up later on "nbc nightly news" coming up. >> charles, can you just, i mentioned the sigh of relief. there were people who lived in tremendous fear of just walking around outside because that's how the people were shot. just doing nothing. >> yes. walking on the street. every one of them was shot

outside, walking on the street, minding their own business. witnesses say that the gunmen came up to one of the people and asked for directions. later, they heard shots. it was very clear that these were dangerous men on the streets of tulsa and police acted accordingly to get them off the streets. they are now in the tulsa jail. there will be a news conference at 4:00 p.m. eastern. >> thank you, charles. let's go from there to the trayvon martin case. where instead of spending this holiday weekend with family, demonstrators are finishing their 40-mile march to sanford. today the group are students from across the nation, even other countries are all pushing for just us. participants wanted to mark the 40th day. there's not been an arrest for 40 miles. it sure looks like mitt romney will be republican number one in the battle for the white house. who might be his number two? we'll talk about it next. today.

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christians are celebrating easter around the world. pope benedict xvi led mass with tens of thousands of people in st. peter's square. in his traditional easter message, the pope prayed for peace in the middle east. three generations of the british royal family attended easter services in winder. after the ceremony at st. george's chapel, queen elizabeth ii received gifts of flowers from young children. ♪ ♪ and thousands showed up at the lincoln memorial in washington, d.c. to celebrate a sunrise service this morning. it has become a tradition in the washington area, first taking

place on the national mall in 1979. this weekend is also a holy time for jews, the passover holiday began on friday at sunset. two front-page politics and newt gingrich pledging to support mitt romney if romney becomes the republican nominee for president. >> i think you have to be realistic, given the size of his organization, given the number of primaries he's won. he's far and away the most likely republican nominee. and if he does get to 1144 delegates, i will support him. >> another sign of republicans coalescing around romney, federal election commission records show the romney camp and the republican national committee have officially filed paperwork to form a joint fundraising committee. first lady michelle obama will make an appearance on colbert r on tuesday. let's bring in slate political reporter david weigel and

national reporter for "the atlantic" molly ball. thank you for joining us. molly, if gingrich says romney is most likely to get the nomination, why is he still hanging around? what's at play in this equation? >> well he gave an interview to the "washington post" today where he talked about wanting to affect the platform. wanting to be a player in the convention in a way that he feels he can sort of have a substantive impact on some of the issues he cares about. it's i guess in keeping with his reputation that he has for being the candidate of ideas and the man with the a zillion ideas about everything. he wants to get some of that into the debate. he wants to he says force romney to be more conservative. but i don't think it really makes much sense to have an active candidacy if that's the only ostensible point of it i think the reason we're seeing him get so few votes in a lot of these primaries is the voters are recognizing it's sort of a candidacy in name only at this point. >> there are reports that the santorum camp is so desperate to work out the delegate math that they went to the texas gop and

they asked to make the state winner take all rather than proportional. first up, will the santorum camp be successful. and secondly, how desperate a move is that? >> i think it's a pretty desperate. it's hard to ask any state to change the rules of this state in the process. i think the first example of something similar coming to mind is hubert humphrey trying to take california away from george mcgovern when he was going down in flames. it's not likely logistically the way to do this would be to get republican leaders in texas to take this to the rnc and the rnc has coordinated with mitt romney giving it a thumb's up saying we'll change the rules. and it's not clear that texas is slam-dunk state for rick santorum. they're trying with success to get the press to take serious their claim that they can drag this out and win delegates, i think it's getting less true every day. >> molly, why not just bow out rather than risk being embarrassed in a greater way. as we look at pennsylvania coming up this month it looks like a tight race there, and

some polls have mitt romney in the lead and that's santorum's home state. you lose that and that's a tough one to recover from. >> absolutely. the situation is almost impossible for him to recover from as it is. but i think what we see in rick santorum to this point is sort of a man with nothing to lose. i talked to a number of people in his circle who say that he believes the things he's saying, he believes there is some sliver of possibility. there is some possibility that something can happen here. until he comes out of his denial there's no dissuading him from this idea that there's still a chance for him. will the reality set in as the math gets more dire and as even pennsylvania starts to look like it could be an embarrassment for him? i think he may have been looking for redemption after his 2006 loss in his home state. if that's not what he's going to get, he may decide not to risk it. >> david i found myself chuckling as i read one of your

recent posts where you talk about the beefsteak discussions are useless. i was thinking he's right. tell us about that. >> i went back to the last couple of times we've gone through a veepstakes process. every four years, both john edwards and joe biden have said on the record they weren't going to be considered for running mates and they weren't going to be the running mates and then they were. in one case i think democrats are pretty happy it turned out that way and in another, they're not. it's all speculation. the other thing we can learn about possible running mates. we learn a little bit more about the personality of mitt romney. a little bit more of about what he wants from somebody. more about what they think is an important value in a running mate. we talk about rob portman, we learn that the romney campaign doesn't think it would be a liability to have somebody who was george bush's omb director on the ticket. how much they want to vet. the way it ends up coming across

is just a series of profiles, rotating profiles of up-and-coming republicans. only one of whom will be chosen. probably none of whom will say they will be chosen until the candidate decides to announce it. >> does romney camp have sort of a wish list? >> there's no formal list as yet. but of course the people around mitt romney and probably mitt romney himself are giving it some thought, starting to, starting to meditate on who these people are and they're certainly reading the coverage. part of the point of the speculation that dave talked about, of course it's useless for actually determining reading nonexistent tea leaves. but it is a bit of a feedback loop where the people get written about. the sort of vetting gets done in an informal way ahead of time and the characteristics of these people get hashed out in the way that people around the candidate are seeing what some of the pros and cons are in the public sphere. >> david can i ask you about

what you wrote about the supreme court controversy and the health care bill fallout. >> this is another set of tea leaves that are tough to read. the supreme court will make its mind up and announce something in june. we're all in a holding pattern until that happens. what the sense i think you could get from the president's speaking so avowedly about the supreme court being political, it's something he said before. it's something thaw don't think he would say about the comments about the way this was going. the supreme court took a members of the court took a private vote not this friday, but the friday before and i think people who are talking in washington and that circle, know where this going to go. they know what kind of prep work has tock done. the president who has been critical of the court on citizens united, on other issues, he's alienated some members of the court so much they don't show up for some state of the union addresses. because the obama care law is

not that popular. to keep liberals and other people aligned with a sense that the court is just not fair. that this is an issue in the election and this is another reason to reject mitt romney because he'll appoint yet more political members, making controversial decisions unaccountable to people like you. >> interesting there, david weigel. molly bauman, thank you. from pigskin to preaching, tim tebow delivers a sermon on this sunday. could a church hold all the faithful flocking to him? hi, i'm phil mickelson.

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the rrn nomination is republican nomination is all but locked up for mitt romney. national journal has a new article in the poll taking a look at probable respect

candidates. alex i'm glad to have you here, i don't know if you heard dave weigel and i just talking. he was couldn't we think of a better word than vooepstakes after all this time? maybe you've got something better to call it. >> at this point it's with the primary winding down it's kind of becoming the most popular parlor game in d.c. now. speculation has definitely increased. >> to that end i want to look through the possible running mates in your poll, new jersey governor, chris christie. virginia governor bob mcdonnell. senator rob portman and representative paul ryan. rubio seems to be the top pick. how likely do you think that ticket is? >> i think he's still the favorite at this point. the interesting thing is we did the same poll in october and at that point he was the consensus pick of republicans and democrats, it was at 60%, and now it's 30%, there's been a

cooling off on marco rubio to be mitt romney's running mate. in his face we've seen senator rob portman, a senator from ohio as now all of a sudden sort of the chic pick for the gop. there's been a change even in the last six months on that. >> what about the issue of foreign policy. do you think that may be something that is a big issue and that may have put the downward tic in terms of marco rubio. he's only had one year object the foreign relations committee. >> if he's picked, that's immediately something democrats will jump on and point out. but i wouldn't anticipate that being their main line of attack. this election, issues number one, two, and three will be about the economy. so foreign policy, while important, is going to take a back seat. >> the running mate, can make a really big difference in gathering votes. the candidate normally would not get some votes. and of course that person might bring them in. you think johnson, as vice president helping kennedy take the south back in 1960.

what's the demographic that mitt romney will target that he's perhaps the weakest and try to pull it in with his vp pick. >> that's the bottom line for why some republicans and conservatives are excited about marco rubio. mitt romney has a big problem with hispanic voters who are in sort of an ever-increasingly important voting bloc. and rubio, the thought is could attract and maybe cut into some of obama's advantage there. i think you talk about the demographic advantage with someone like rob portman you're looking at more of a geographic advantage. he's from ohio, ohio is always sort of the quintessential swing state. it will be important again this time around. so with someone like him you're talking about geography and maybe he can give romney the few extra points he needs, not only win ohio but potentially tip the entire election. >> alex thanks for chatting veepstakes. she's a power player, but

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these could be our best years yet. activia 32 past the hour, breaking news today, legendary newsman, mike wallace has died at the age of 93. cbs news announcing this morning. he became a household name for four decades on "60 minutes" where he was an original correspondent. he interviewed world leaders and presidents in a career that began as a radio performer 70 years ago. earlier i spoke with nbc news correspondent and long-time colleague of mike wallace, harry smith. >> what wallace could do that nobody else could do, he could go do that interview with johnny carson or a head of state or whomever. ronald and nancy reagan. he was with peers. he wasn't, they were on the same level. that conversation was taking place between peers. it wasn't like he was reaching up in any way.

they looked at him as an equal and that, i think, in many ways is what set him apart. >> you bring up a point there. you say he reached out to the younger correspondents as they came in and they were able to learn from him. i mean he's really one of the last of an incredible generation of journalists. what do you think modern news media can learn if his career? >> it's interesting because he did so much spectacular work. what we tend to not focus on very much is he had this ingrained show business past. >> i didn't know he was on stage. >> he was on stage, he did game shows, he did commercials, back in the old, old days of the news announcers were part show business, part news announcers, they weren't journalists per se, especially in the early days of television and he took some of that panache along with him, as he went into the business and that's what, there was an aspect of him that was, he was a performer. that served him so well in so

many of those really difficult situations where you've got to ask the tough question, where you've got to nail down that subject. who wants to be squirming away. he could summon up the stuff and put it to them. >> and mike wallace leaves behind his wife and his son and daughter. on this easter sunday, a new role for quarterback tim tebow. tebow moved from the gridiron to the pulpit today. this is brand-new video from georgetown, texas, the nfl star spoke with senior pastor, joe champion before thousands of eager worshippers today. tebow spoke about football and his faith. the celebration church, too small to hold a crowd that size. so organizers set up an outdoor stage and several large television screens to broadcast that sermon. time for this week's big three, easter parade edition. today's topics, hunt for a slogan, campaign bunny trail and your holiday weekend must-reads. let's bring in our big three panel. national political reporter for the "atlantic" molly ball and

joe watkins who served in the george h.w. bush administration and political strategist, keith boykin. let's talk about the hunt for the slogan. a new article in politico entitled "obama." the hunt for a slogan. everyone knows what barack obama's campaign was in 2008. no one seems to know with a it will be for 2012 and some of the catch phrases the white house has used over the past year include winning the future, we can't wait, an america built to last vgts an economy built to last and a fair shot. why haven't any of these stuck yet, keith? >> it's hard to compete against hope and change. which were popular in 2008nd a lot of those slogans you put up on the screen look like they're invented by committee. first i like joe biden's slogan, that gm is alive and osama bin laden is dead. i live barney frank's slogan, which is we're not perfect, but the republicans are crazy. >> that's funny.

>> and my personal favorite is easter is something barack obama said earlier this year, is we've come too far to turn back now. >> how about you, molly, with the branding adviser to president clinton saying he's all over the place. do you agree and if so, why do you think it might be? >> i think the deeper problem is not just this they don't have the right thing to put on a bumper sticker or too many things to put on a bumper sticker, but nobody seems to know exactly what the message is or what the campaign is about and i think that's in a way been part of the problem with obama's presidency, it's sort of been all over the place. it's about health care one day and the economy the next and of course the president is in charge of all of those things. think as they try to come up with a single theme that they're going to hammer on and reinforce for people, a lot of the greatest successes of this administration have been in foreign policy. that's hard to crack the message around. how do you bring home to people

what this is supposed to be about. given that hope and change listen to what former governor of ohio ted strickland told me yesterday. >> osama bin laden is dead and general motors is alive, that says a lot about the president's foreign policy a and his domestic policy. >> is there an echo in here? that's what he just said. joe, regardless. slogans, how does the republican nominee counter a message like that? >> i think the republican nominee counters the message by talking to the 12.7 million americans who aren't working and desperately want to work and the millions more working in part-time jobs making less than they used to make and people worried about gas prices. the republican nominee will talk to all of them. he'll say to america, i'll put you back to work, fix the economy and have a domestic energy policy that will keep gas prices low. he won't beat the president up

over his successes, he'll talk to americans about what mat earns here and now. >> our next topic, the campaign bunny trail. "the new york times" says president obama will start emphasizing his national security accomplishments as we head towards the general election. how do you see this playing out? >> well, this is an obvious theme for the president. and difficult one, i think for the republicans. it's very difficult to understand sort of what mitt romney's foreign policy theme is once you get beyond his slogan, which is believe in america and this idea that the president somehow doesn't believe in america, i don't know how many people are really going to buy that. and so how this plays out will be a really interesting thing. the thing about a foreign policy in a campaign is it depends so much on events and what happens in the international sphere over the course of a campaign. much more so than other issues which can be about white papers and philosophies and ideologies and prescriptions, this will be

about how candidates react to things playing out on the international stage. >> we have the president's record, killing osama bin laden, as well as moammar gadhafi, pulling troops out of iraq. how much can you attack him on these issues. >> you can't say the president hasn't done anything well. but for people everywhere, politics are local. local means people are worried about, can i pay my bills, can i pay my mortgage, can i pay my rent. am i paying too much money for gas? if i was working a good job before and now i'm stuck in a part-time job, i'm considered employed in the numbers, but i'm not making enough money to get by. how are you going to fix that for me. the republicans will talk about all of those things, how to fix the economy, put americans back to work and keep gas prices low. >> keith we'll give you first crack at things on the other side. right now in this week's office politics, my conversation with tina brown, editor in chief of the daily beast and "newsweek."

the media mogul shared the one thing she does not succeed in. we begin with an early look at the latest edition of "newsweek," which includes startling poll results in the trayvon martin case. >> we have two very esteemed pieces. a startling poll which shows how only 16% of african-americans believe that they're treated fairly in america. which is really quite a startling statistic and it shows that the divide actually is, has not remotely been improved by having an african-american president, which is very disappointing to people who felt many i think that having an african-american president would be a transformative thing for the racial relationship forever. so that poll has shown that that is in fact not true and things are in a very bad state right now. perhaps for economic reasons. but also just because the so much work still to be done on probably economic more than anything else.

? one of the greatest things that you've accomplished in the last few years is the creation of the women in the world foundation which gets larger and more influential every year. talk about the genesis of that and what you hope it becomes. >> it took off like a streak of lightning. and it's grown exponentially to the point this year we were at lincoln center with 2,000 people every day, with angelina jolie and hillary clinton and meryl streep and christine lagarde and madeleine albright. with a woman you never heard of. and each year what's been interesting and wonderful is it's the women you've never heard of who are really the stars of the show. women in west africa, china, india, burma, you know, these places which are really hard. and in in islamic countries, which are even more so. i thought we must bring their stories to light. american women don't know what it's like to be a woman living in egypt or what it's like to be a woman in afghanistan unable to

leave the house with a man as an escort. unable to drive a car in saudi arabia. unable to, all of these things which are so incredible, still. the enfranchisement of women in all of these places is the great civil rights story of our times, that's what we need to pay attention to. only by bringing women into political systems, financial systems, educational opportunities, are these countries going to emerge and be lifted up. we owe it to these women and we owe it to these countries. >> i was so proud to participate in that summit. and i looked out over the audience and saw so much youth represented. because that's really your target. is looking to the next generation. >> we launched this foundation, which was a corollary to the summit and now we've launched women on campus. the idea is to take the women we feature on the stage and take you to the girls on campus and say listen to these stories and listen to how inspiring they are

and what they've done with their lives. we find that the young girls are absolutely engaged. even though america is in hard times, when you compare those hard times to living on two cents a day in a village in bangladesh or whatever, it just still doesn't compare. so it's a very, very important thing i think for young people. >> last question is, do you ever turn off? i mean you have the daily beast at your fingertips, your ipad, you can get it on your phone. do you ever turn off? >> with my kids, i can turn off, my husband, harry evans is a journalist himself very much an engaged one. and our great passion is news. our great passion is news. you know, the national debate our breakfast table is have you read this, have you read that. and it's a passion. so i mean -- >> do you talk about shopping lists or the grocery store? >> not a lot of that. cooking is not my thing, i have

to say. but fortunately, my husband doesn't care. >> note to self, tina brown has one thing she does not succeed in. >> i want to thank tina for her time. it was a great interview and the full results of the poll on race is at dailybeast online or "newsweek" that will hit newsstands for you tomorrow. next, a journey back to the "titanic," an underwater investigation to solve the nagging question, how could the unsinkable do the unthinkable.

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original route. more than 1even a century later "titanic" fascinates millions. among them relatives and survivors of victims who wish to honor their loved ones. >> one of the things i'm looking forward to is sailing into new york and seeing the statue of liberty. i would imagine that was something when he was on "titanic," he thought he would never see again until he was ordered into a row boat. >> and of course, it was the ongoing effort to explore its wreckage. new images of which can be seen tonight on national geographic channel. michael casio is the executive vice president of programming for the national geographic channel. we're glad to have you particularly this weekend, the timeliness of it, the titanic nature of the "titanic," everyone is so fascinated, 100 years since the ship sank. what do you think makes it ultimately so fascinating after all this time? >> first of all, it's the biggest technological achievement of its time and it

sunk. people are still wondering how could that have been. and when the recent "costa concordia" went down, people compared it to the "titanic." this has stuck with us for 100 years and it really was one of the seminal events of the 20th century. because it changed our view of what mankind could do. nobody thought the ship could sink, and it did. >> certainly. nat geo kicks things off at 8:00, i understand a two-night event. what are people going to see on the channel about the ship of dreams that they have not seen before? >> tonight with james cameron who created the movie. he's been to the site more than 30 times. he wanted to dive the wreck more than he wanted to make the movie. he rereleased the movie in 3-d and he convened a group of architects, historians, experts, to find out exactly how it happened. he did it as a crime scene. it's almost like "csi." they took a look at the wreckage and the evidence and worked

backwards to find out how could this big liner have sunk. eye witnesses said it went down one way, but official inquiry said another, theyrecreate exactly how it went down, and it's the culmination of this unprecedented effort that airs tonight on the national geographic channel. >> wait minute, michael. this is the ultimate tease. did national geographic with james cameron's help, did you get the definitive cause and all the particulars about what made titanic sink? >> there are so many unanswered questions. we tried to answer as many as we could. and in this case you do find out things you could have never known before. and cameron admits that he got it wrong in his movie. the way it went down. some of the things that have happened. and he corrects the record in this documentary tonight. and a lot of experts agree or disagree. they try to come to a consensus. and this is the result of that. and it is the final word. we think it's the final word.

as much as you can be without actually being there. >> so then michael, for people who look at this as being the final word, what is the take away? >> the take away is this is an emotion event. it's not just a forensic investigation. it's an emotional event. in some ways as big in its time as 9/11 is in our time. and it reverberated through the last century 100 years, we're still talking about it. that's one take away. the other is from an investigation standpoint, you find out that from an engineering thing maybe they thought it was unsinkable, but because of certain things that happened and the way the water went in and the way it went down, it happened much different than anybody had ever expected. and the details will probably surprise you along the way. >> michael, it will be a great show to watch. thank you for joining us. good luck with it. up next with the big three

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we are back with the big three and their must reads. national political reporter join me. joe watkins is serving the george w.h. bush administration. so, keith, i promise you would be first. can i just ask you first what your reaction was when you learned mike wallace died. >> it was really sad. mike wallace is one of the reporters who was a very tough guy. he wasn't afraid to make people mad. i respected him. i grew up watching him back in the 1970s and '80s. i really respected that guy. >> absolutely. we all did. let's get to your must read. >> my must reed is khalil muhammad. he talks about the reason why when you talk about the trayvon martin case, it's not just an issue for black people to solve. but all of society should be involved in addressing this. and pushing back against the

notion that black leaders and civil rights leaders don't care about crime on crime. it's not true. >> what about your must read? how does it go? >> it's got to be from "the new york times," the front page today, by my friend mike, a fascinating exploration of the relationship between mitt romney and netanyahu. it turns out before either of them were in politics, one of them about to become the republican nominee and the other now the prime minister of israel. they met this the '70s when they were working at a consulting firm. they've been friends ever since. it really reflects in an interesting way on both personalities as well as being an unusual situation for two potential world leaders. >> that's a must read. how about you, joe joe? >> this article by david shribman is something everybody ought to read. it's the republican political battle that you cannot see. and what's really good is it shares tremendous insight into the challenges of the republican party.

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