them do unto you. "politicsnation" is al sharpton starts right now. welcome to "politicsnation," i'm al sharpton. we have a packed show ahead including bad news for willard romney, the right wing trying to make voter fraud into a real issue, and the passing of mike wallace, a great journalist who profiled me. he was tough but fair. we'll get to all of that but we start tonight with a major development in the trayvon martin case. angela cory says he will not bring the case before a grand jury. the grand jury is supposed to meet for the first time tomorrow. corey's office said that from the moment she was assigned she knew she may not need a grand

jury. folks. this is big news. let's be very clear. there's now just one person in the world with the power to arrest george zimmerman and that's angela corey. the world is watching and waiting. since this news broke, the questions have been swirling. what does it mean? will there be an arrest? what if there is no arrest. joining me now, one of the attorneys for the martin family. attorney natalie jackson. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, sir. >> let me ask you first, what is your response to today's announcement from the special prosecutor? >> as lawyers, we have to advice our clients, so this didn't come as a surprise to us. we knew she had three options. one of them was to utilize the april 10th grand jury. another was to make an arrest and charge george zimmerman, and we have to explain that to our client.

so we knew she could exercise any of those options at any time. >> what did trayvon's parents say? >> i didn't talk to them, but they weren't surprised. they were prepared for this. >> i have to tell you they're still cautiously optimistic this is a good thing that george zimmerman will be charged with this crime. >> cautiously optimistic is the right term. let me ask you some questions on law, you're a good lawyer. the attorneys for zimmerman were on the "today show" and hal uhrig talked about a rush to judgment. i want to ask you about the question on the law of what he stated. let me show you what he said. >> we heard one of the attorneys for the family said they should arrest him and let him prove in

court he is innocent. it doesn't work that way in this country. >> he said earlier in the tape that you can't make an arrest if there is a claim of self-defense according to florida law. is that true? >> these lawyers have said a lot of things that are not true. and it's preposterous to think that you can't make an arrest because someone says self-defense. that's not a true statement. when you kill a child, the place to argue self-defense is a courtroom. so i don't understand what this lawyer is talking about. >> so there is nothing by law, you know i have advocates and others have that there should be an arrest. there is nothing by law that would prevent the police from arresting mr. zimmerman based on the statute as quoted this morning on the "today show"?

>> no, in fact, you just have to look at the people that have been arrested and had to go to court and prove self-defense under this law. what he said was a contra decision even to what we know to be true of the people that go to court and defend themselves under this law. they are arrested to go to court. >> let me show you something else, attorney jackson eddy says. when he was asked about whether zimmerman is remorseful about what happened. >> he is remorseful for the unintended sequences. i believe everything he did was justified, but he is distraught that a life was taken. >> how do you respond to that? >> the first thing i heard from george zimmerman's camp was a statement from joe oliver. and his statement that was george zimmerman naively thought this would blow over. and they gave him that

indication. but the thing is, you know, i can't tell you how george zimmerman feels. i know these parents lost a child, and they lost a child because george zimmerman made a decision to confront their unarmed innocent child with a gun and shoot him in the chest. >> now, when you look at the fact that the other attorney with them says that zimmerman is told not to follow martin on the 911 tape, that it was misinterpreted. let me show you what he says, i want to go to the tape. >> they said you don't need to do that, and then the tape later shows that he said okay. how they came face to face i think that will come out in the investigation. >> and the tape clearly says this, let me play the tape for you and the viewers. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay, we don't need you to do that. >> okay. >> now, it's not some time

later, he says okay right away. and then interestingly enough, he say it's will come out in the information. if it did not come out as clear as we are lead to believe that night, then how did they not arrest him. you can't have it both ways. you can't say you should not arrest anybody. clearly from the phone logs that had been put out by you and mr. crump and others, and the timing on the tape and the timing of the shooting, i don't know how much time is there for a lot of other things they claim will come out in the investigation. i just don't know. >> i will tell you, sir. in this case, the family has the patience of joe. as attorney crump said, he told this family you don't need me, they're going to arrest george zimmerman. it didn't happen. then when attorney crump

commandcomman demanded the 911 tapes, they were worse than we expected them to be. we thought surely will would be an arrest. then we investigated and we see that trayvon was on the phone on the time all this happened. surely now we have an earwitness that can tell you what happened, surly there would be an arrest. . there was not. this is why angela corey must do the right thing and bring this case to justice to he can argue his claim in court where it belongs, in front of a jury. >> thank you natalie jackson and thank you for joining us tonight. joining me now from florida, two of the best lawyers in the state, kendall coffey is a form federal prosecutor, and ken padowitz is now at the law fi

firm -- what does the announcement mean to you? >> i don't know the lotto numbers for this weekend, but in my experience, she's telegraphing to the nation that she's going to charge mr. zimmerman. 95% of cases in florida are charged by a loan prosecutor, not by a grand jury. so this is basically the same as all the other case that's all of the state attorneys in florida get. she's indicating she doesn't need to go to the grand jury because the grand jury's only required for first-degree murder cases. >> so she's -- 95% of the cases are charged without a grand jury. so you think that's a signal that she's going to make a charge? >> i think that she's is signaling in this kind of case with this much media scrutiny and this many people that recognize that the police made

mistakes in the beginning of this case, to not bring it to a grand jury, she is signaling that she is taking this on herself and she's going to charge mr. zimmerman with some crime. this is my opinion. she will obviously make the final decision what's going on here, but to me with my experience, she will end up charging mr. zimmerman in my opinion. >> let me ask you kendall coffey, do you agree with that? and second, if you do, when do you think she will make her decision and make a move? >> i don't think it's as strong of a signal as ken is suggesting. what i think it means, clearly, is that she is not looking for cover. if she were, the view that she's not going to bring charges, she certainly would be hearing from one in her cap nit, hey, if you're not going to bring charges, wouldn't it make sense for the grandmother to do what would be the most controversial and criticized decision of your

career. so i think it's a somewhat hopeful sign from the standpoint of the martin family, but certainly not definitive. and what it means more than anything is she is taking ownership. she's not looking for cover. in terms of timing, unless there are some really important forensics that are out in a lab somewhere, somewhere that they are still waiting on, i think she has all of the information she needs, and i expect charges to be decided one way or the other this week. >> what do you think, ken, this week we'll hear one way or another? >> i agree with what mr. coffey said. i don't think she has to make the decision this week. she has time to make the decision and go through the evidence. the speedy trial rule was running. she was placed under arrest, marched through the halls in handcuffs, so the speedy trial rule is running. she has to make a decision,

charge him, and bring him to trial within 175 days. so it might be this week, it could be this month, we'll have to wait and see. >> let me go back to you, kendall, zimmerman's attorney says sanford pd made the right decision, let me play that for you. >> people have jumped to wrongful conclusions, i believe, and i think the country will see why the sanford police department made the decision they did at that time. >> now, when he says that they made the right decision, when you have a case of probable cause that many of us feel and said should have lead to an arrest, zimmerman was armed, trayvon was unarmed, zimmerman was pursuing trayvon, he was not brought to the hospital for injuries -- i mean on the law how do they make a legal argument that the pd there in

sanford was bound not to arrest mr. zimmerman? >> to me, the frame rush to judgment crystallizes very meaningfully, not with respect to some of the discussion since that time, but why the police department would so quickly conclude this is open and shut, self-defense, we can't prove it, we won't start doing the relentless investigation to see if we'll accept a self-serving account for george zimmerman. he was armed, the other guy didn't. he was told to stand back, he didn't, and he clearly was the per suer here. so the facts as we know them, and there are many that we do not, certainly suggest that when that lead investigator thought there was enough there for a probably cause arrest, maybe he just knew what he was talking about. again, reverend, we all though

there are things we don't know and probably only angela corey knows. all we know that night there seems to be enough for a probable cause arrest or to keep going more intensely in an investigation that seemed like it got called off by the sanford pd department before it really got started. >> all right kendall coffey and ken padowitz, thank you for your time. ahead, going inside the courtroom, what would a trial look like? the tapes, calls, and the evidence? the one and only star jones is here to answer all of those pressing legal questions. plus, the only voter fraud out there is coming from the right. a right-wing trickster begins to be eric holder. really, folks, this is getting sad and kind of funny. and new numbers just in show willard has some big time li

likeability problems. this is "politicsnation" on msnbc. is this what we're doing now? i don't want a plunger anywhere near my coffee. not in my house. with maxwell house french roast, you let gravity do the work. [ male announcer ] maxwell house french roast. always good to the last drop.

big news today, the special prosecutor will not bring the case before the grand jury. star jones is here live to help us investigate that next. that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. for half the calories plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. i'm here to unleash my inner cowboy. instead i got heartburn. [ horse neighs ] hold up partner. prilosec isn't for fast relief. try alka-seltzer. it kills heartburn fast.

yeehaw! since ameriprise financial was founded back in 1894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over the centuries. the strength of a global financial leader. the heart of a one-to-one relationship. together for your future. ♪ we're back on

"politicsnation" with today's crucial development in the trayvon martin case. the special prosecutor announced today she will not refer the case to a grand jury. she will make the decision on how to proceed with this case. does this suggest she's likely to bring charges against george zimmerman? and if so what would the case against him look like? joining me now is star jones, a former prosecutor. she has been following the trayvon martin story, and i'm glad she brought her expertise back to "politicsnation." let me ask you what your decision is to this decision about state attorney angela corey ruling out a grand jury. >> i wasn't surprised. a real prosecutor would take it on and say this is where the buck stops. i thought to myself a joke,

that's why we get the big bucks even though we don't. if you're standing for justice and you have taken that oath of office, to be a prosecutor in that state, within the law there, you should take on that responsibility not pass it off. also there were some things that gave us some clues. that did not empanel a jury and did not send out the mailings -- >> what would the prosecutors case look like if she was to bring charges and go to trial? first the 911 tapes? >> first, i want to caution the audience right now. what we're talking about is information that has come out in the media. and i won't allow people to call it evidence. it doesn't become evidence in it's a fact that has some sort of back up, and two that a court of law allows to be introduced into the trial if we get to that point. so we're talking, in theory, based on information that we

have from media reports, right? >> by theory, do we have the public -- we don't know what we don't know. the 911 calls we know in ther are are there, and they will try to introduce -- we have two 911 calls. >> now 911 calls are always used in a courtroom, that's not something that's so surprising. i would expect that you will see the 911 calls in the courtroom. and there are multiple 911 calls. so you will be able to compare and contrast and they try to put together a time line based on the 911 calls. so i think the prosecution would use it. >> now, if they're allowed in, and i played the two 911 tapes, tell me if you were prosecuting the case how you would try to use this. >> these [ bleep ] always get away. >> are you following him? >> yeah. >> okay, we don't need you to do that -- >> okay. >> do you think he's yelling

help? >> yeah. >> okay, what is your -- >> just -- there's gunshots. >> now, you have one where zimmerman is talking to the dispatcher, and he is told that we don't need you to follow b and he immediately says okay. then you have another where you have someone in the neighborhood, in the gated community calling, and you hear the screaming in the background, and you hear a gunshot, and you jumped in the studio when you heard it again, how would you use these in trial. >> i would want zimmerman on the weekend, that would be a prosecutors dream. the second is more interesting. we have a couple people reporting, experts, that they have listened to the audio and done the comparison test, and that in their expertise, it's not mr. zimmerman, the proposed defendant. i would be curious to find out if the there were any recordings of trayvon's voice. does his mom have any voice

mails left. we know he was talking to his girl having a good time. did he leave a voice mail for her they could use? it's so much better not only to be able to say that's not mr. zimmerman, but to have an expert say that is trayvon. >> there is the physical evidence in the ca surveillance video of zimmerman at the police station a half hour after the shooting, but also a video of the interview with the police after ward that is not been made public yet. there is evidence from his clothing that night, and from trayvon's autopsy which has always not been made public. how could prosecutors use any of this evidence at trial. >> this is some of the most powerful evidence depending on what it's showing. this is evidence that one, if it was done correctly. i have been involved in reporting on cases where the frentsices can be contaminated

based on the investigators themselves and the investigation they conduct. if one established it was not a tainted investigation. assuming that it is not tainted, then you have good forensics, the paragraphs of mr. zimmerman, that wonderful interrogation tape in theory so that the prosecutor has the ability to examine what he said when he said it. if his story is consistent, has it changed overtime, did it change in the multiple hours they were doing the investigation? all of that is wonderful for cross-examination purposes. and it certainly would be admitted into evidence if the prosecutionment today use that videotape. now curious enough, if the defense wanted to use the videotape for the statements, and i'm talking the proposed interrogation tape, then the defendant will not get to use it because it's a self-serving statement. the defense would have less opportunity -- they could use if

they wanted to show physically what he looked like, if there is photograph wst measurements of alleged wounds on mr. zimmerman, everybody would use that. >> let's talk about witnesses. the police will play a roll, but we could hear from neighbors, 911 operates, the funeral director, and traun's girlfriend who was on the phone with him moments before his death. >> let's take them one by one. let's start with the funeral director. the funeral director is almost like a pathologist would be allowed to testify as to the condition of the body when it came to him. and so he would be allowed to testify what he saw. i'm not sure if he would be qualified as an expert, i'm sure the defense would have a problem with that, but he might be call if ied as an expert because that's what he did. we know he said publicly there were no marks. that he had to use his expertise to cover up. that's really powerful evidence.

let's talk about this young lady on the telephone. i understand that the prosecutor has finally interviewed her, and i was glad to know her mother was there. this will be very trying on this child. she would become the voice of trayvon martin in that courtroom. she is the person who had him on the telephone. and if she can bring the emotion of his fear at that time, i think she will speak for the dead. and it's very rare that you have the opportunity to do that. there will be some hearsay issues. whether or not she should be able to get it in. the prosecution will have lots of theories on the hearsay exceptions. one could be a dieing declaration if there indication that he knew he was dieing or was close to great physical bodily injury, that could lead to death, i think there are some arguments to be made for that.

we talked about robert zimmerman, the father, as a potential witness. i don't know if he would be able to testify because everything he says is hearsay. there are some theories that you could get over it in terms of an exception to the hearsay rule, excited utterances. spontaneous conversation, however, from what he has described, it seemed like his son was just having a conversation him about the incident and that would be hearsay. >> star jones, thank you for coming on the show. >> you got it. >> coming up, since when did it become all right for a united states senator to call the president of the united states stupid? what happened to respecting the office, senator? the strange and ugly talk coming from the right wing. stay with us. [ male announcer ] capri sun has 25% less sugar

than leading regular juice drinks. because less sugar is a better way to fly. ♪ just not literally. capri sun. respect what's in the pouch. your finances can't manage themselves. but that doesn't mean they won't try. bring all your finances together with the help of the one person who can. a certified financial planner professional.

cfp. let's make a plan. today is gonna be an important day for us. you ready? we wanna be our brother's keeper. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. how bout ya, joe? let's go ahead and bring it online. attention on site, attention on site. now starting unit nine. some of the world's cleanest gas turbines are now powering some of america's biggest cities. siemens. answers. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much, i appreciate it, i'll be right back.

they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money ? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. no nonsense. just people sense.

. how did one republican senator spend part of his easter weekend? calling president obama stupid. when did that welcome okay? we'll talk about it next. [ male announcer ] you are a business pro.

monarch of marketing analysis. with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm going b-i-g.

[ male announcer ] good choice business pro. good choice. go national. go like a pro. my high school science teacher made me what i am today. our science teacher helped us build it. ♪ now i'm a geologist at chevron, and i get to help science teachers. it has four servo motors and a wireless microcontroller. over the last three years we've put nearly 100 million dollars into american education. that's thousands of kids learning to love science. ♪ isn't that cool? and that's pretty cool. ♪ over a million people have discovered how easy it is to use legalzoom for important legal documents. so start your business, protect your family, launch your dreams. at legalzoom.com, we put the law on your side. [ dog barking ] ♪

[ female announcer ] life is full of little tests, but your basic paper towel can handle them. especially if that towel is bounty basic. the towel that's durable and scrubbable. in this lab demo, bounty basic is stronger than the leading bargain brand. everyday life. bring it with bounty basic. affordably priced. tested by everyday life. at e-trade, our free online tools and retirement specialists can help you build a personalized plan and execute it with a wide range of low cost investments. get a great plan and low cost investments at e-trade. "politicsnation." it's all coming together for the republican party. looks like they found their nominee. the man who will guide them to victory in 2012. the candidate that will rally the base. the leader who will lay out

their conservative vision for the country. mitt romney is their ticket to the white house. well -- maybe they should hold the music for a sec. -- second. we're talking about this mitt romney. >> there is one issue on which i will never back down, never cut a deal or compromise. cat spaying. it is simply the right thing to do. >> unfortunately with our schedules, ann and i don't get to nearly as many cockfights as we would like. >> in all honesty, i don't remember when dungeons and droit johns wasn't a important part of my life. i always felt if i had to develop a kronic disease, i hoped it would be adult onset diabetes. >> willard, it writes itself, but since this is their likely candidate, how do they plan on

winning? the dc chair has it figured out. >> what is bothersome to me, candy, is it seems like my republican colleagues are rooting for economic failure. >> root for failure. that's the platform of the republican party these days. instead of offering solutions to get people back to work, they're celebrating a struggling economy instead of helping the uninsured, they work to repeal health care. instead of dealing with big banks, they chip away at financial reform. this is a party of no solutions. when you have a candidate who is literally a joke with no platform to speak of, what do you do? if you are the gop, you throw money at the problem. carl rove's american crossroads is looking to pump more than $200 million in ads against the. . here is some advice, money can't

by love, it also can't buy a winning candidate. joining me now is an msnbc political analyst and georgetown university professor, and a national reporter for the "washington post" thank you for being here. professor dyson, let me start with you, can the gop simply throw men at this problem? >> it's clear that the super pac is the manifestation of what president obama warned us against with the citizen's united decision at the court that unregulated support could flow in. and they cannot secure support and buy, if you will, the votes of people, but they can have such an incredibly powerful influence by going negative, by attack ads on the president, that they undually have a

outcome on the -- they can pollute the atmosphere of politics with all of the vicious things that we have heard especially in the assaults against president obama. >> now, the gop is starting to fall behind romney, but instead of supporting their candidate, they seem to be more focused on tearing down president, listen. >> he is the most likely republican nominee, and if he gets to 1144 delegates,ly support him and do everything i can to help him beat obama. barack obama is a genuine radical. >> there can still be a shake up, but the in your opinions are what the in your opinions are and he seems to obviously be the front runner, and i have been of the mind-set that anybody but obama -- >> not a lot of enthusiasm for romney, more let's go after the

president -- >> right, and barack obama, president obama will be the great unifier that romney has not been able to be. he will unify the party. they will unify republicans and that is certainly what this super pac will go after. they know that the president, even though some people might not like his policies, they like him. he has a high faif rabvor abili. that's what they're going to chip away at is that he is a competent capable leader. and what you have seen this this primary so far is that that has worked. that's the way that romney has run his campaign. very wealthy allies who really have torn down his opponents, starting with newt gingrich, then rick santorum, rick perry. all of these guys have fallen victim to this millions and millions of dollars of super pac

negative campaign ads. so you'll see that operate in the general where as romney will try to make the case himself for his shot at the white house. >> now, dr. dyson, we have seen very ugly attacks on the president. over the weekend, a member of the senate, chuck grassley that's been in the senate for over 30 years sent that tweet out. constituents ask why i am not outraged at president obama's attack on the supreme court independence. it's because american people are not stupid as this exprofessor of constitutional law. calling the president stupid? >> it's utterly ridiculous. it's disrespectful. if you will, it's dog whistle racism. it's an attack on obama to make him appear as if he is some other person from another planet. and to call him stupid, when the

man is very intelligent, even those who have opposed him in the past have recognized his fundamental decency and his high quality of intellect. so to call him stupid is to get base and get involved in mud slinging politics rooted in some of the most vicious instincts in american politics. the right wing wants to define something as un-american and they're not part of the main stream. they have talked about his relationship to the supreme court and called him a bully. these are cold words that we all get it. this man is highly competent and capable of unifying the nation, and he's going to unify the republican party in the negative, but they don't have a positive contribution to make by standing behind their man. so this is all that senator grassly and the rest can do to attack our guy and not support their guy. >> now, you have also a missouri

republican, also said she has doubts about the president obama's birth certificate, we're going back to it, listen. >> i have a lot of doubts about that, but i don't know. i haven't seen it, i'm in the same place you are, you read this and that, but i don't understand why he didn't show that right away. if someone asked for my birth certificate, i could go get it, take it out, and show it. >> she since walked back those comments, but she said it and she walked it back after being challenged. i'm playing it to ask you, is this how they're going to try to run against this president? make him difference not like the rest of us americans? is that the kind of ugly strategy they're going to try to roll out in your opinion? >> i think you hear hints of this from different corners of the party, and rick santorum has a line in his speech that says

obama is a likable guy, he just doesn't understand america. and we he says obama is a likable guy and you hear people boo. so there is an undercurrent of trying to make him seem different and outside of the american mainstream. i think the challenge for romney, are where that certainly getting up the base, doesn't do much for attracting independents. so the challenge will be separating himself from that. i think from democrats you will see them try to paint the republicans themselves as radicals and ask people who are trying to paint this president as outside the main stream, and it just doesn't work in their favor at all. >> thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> ahead, the only voting fraud i can see is coming from the right wing tricksters. the fraud about voting fraud. and remembering the legendary

mike wallace. i was in the hot seat with him a couple times, my reflections on facing off with the legendary journalist, stay with us. and on a budget. like a ramen noodle- every-night budget. she thought allstate car insurance was out of her reach. until she heard about the value plan. dollar for dollar, nobody protects you like allstate. ♪ lord, you got no reason ♪ you got no right ♪ ♪ i find myself at the wrong place ♪ [ male announcer ] the ram 1500 express. ♪ it says a lot about you. ♪ in a deep, hemi-rumble sort of way. guts. glory. ram.

that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. for half the calories plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. has been because of the teachers and the education that i had. they're just part of who i am. she convinced me that there was no limit to what we could learn. i don't think i'd be here today had i not had a wonderful science teacher. a teacher can make a huge difference in a child's life. he would never give up on any of us. thank you dr. newfield. you had a big impact on me. ♪ [ female announcer ] life is full of little tests, but bounty basic can handle them.

in this lab demo, bounty basic is stronger than the leading bargain brand. everyday life. bring it with affordably priced bounty basic. so i test... a lot. do you test with this? freestyle lite test strips? i don't see... beep! wow! that didn't take much blood. yeah, and the unique zipwik tab targets the blood and pulls it in. so easy. yep. freestyle lite needs just a third the blood of onetouch ultra. really? so testing is one less thing i have to worry about today. great. call or click today and get strips and a meter free. test easy. [ male announcer ] want your weeds to hit the road? hit 'em, with roundup extended control.

one application kills weeds, and stops new ones for up to four months. roundup extended control. i don't want a plunger anywhere near my coffee. not in my house. with maxwell house french roast, you let gravity do the work. [ male announcer ] maxwell house french roast. always good to the last drop.

we're back with a news flash. there is voter fraud to report tonight. only as coming from, you guessed it, the right. here is undercover video from a right-wing trickster last week. >> do you have an eric holder? >> northwest. >> let's see -- >> holter? or -- >> holder. >> northwest, that's the dra es? >> okay. >> please sign your name there.

>> actually, i forgot my id, that's all right, you don't need it. >> i left it in the car. >> as long as you're here -- >> i would feel more comfortable if i had my idea. i'll be back faster than you can say furious. really. this is what you got? i think it's kind of funny, and listen -- >> as long as you're here, on our list, and that's who you say you are. >> yes, the worker followed procedure. if you're not who you say you are it's illegal. so what are they trying to prove? they should just listen to lawmakers who came on this show? >> how are you giving an improved way of voting when there was nothing wrong? you securing what? there was no fraud. >> we have accountability. we're not going to wait for fraud. >> translator: only way you can be certain of that is to have a

phototo make sure that's the person. >> you have had no cases. >> so they can't point to any widespread fraud. since 1997, there has been 311 cases of voter fraud out of 593 million votes cast. that's a rate of 0.000005%. in washington there have been zero cases. you have mo-- the justice department responded saying about the only time i get concrete evidence of voter fraud is when someone pulls a stunt like this. here is the bottom line, they will do anything to suppress 5 million voters. that's why we marched and why we

won't give up the fight. joining me now is judith brown, codirector of the advancement project. what's your take on this undercover video. >> they can't find voter fraud in real elections. the bush administration looked for five years to investigate and find it and they could not find any voter fraud. so these right wing tricksters had to go out and create their own attempts at voter fraud. and trying to impersonate the attorney general really should open them up to charges for committing voter fraud themselves. >> from the undercover video we saw, the worker actually approved -- he is doing his job. at the end of the day, they disprove what they're saying. >> that's right. you're right, they disprove it, they don't allow him to vote, so he didn't get to commit the impersonation --

>> let me show people what happened. that he was actually stopped -- let me play this for you. >> do the best you can. >> so if i do the best i can you get to vote. >> of course. >> if my signature doesn't match like any sort of official signature do you compare it to any other signature? >> i don't have my id. >> fill out a special ballot. >> special ballot, which means they have to verify a signature, so they disproved their point. >> that's right, what's important to understand here is that the real voter fraud is this kind of attempt at trickery. the real voter fraud is trying to steel elections like we saw in 2000 in florida, right? a secretary of state that set it up so they could stop the recount. in 2004, a secretary of state in ohio who decided that any

registration that wasn't on hard paper should be thrown out. in 2008, using foreclosure lists. the trickery that goes on, trying to tell african-americans they can't vote on tuesday, they should vote on thursday. that's the real voter fraud. that's what's happening here. they can't find the voter impersonation, so they try to make it up, but at the end of the day, the ones stealing elections are the ones who are committing this other kind of voting fraud including suppressing the vote of 5 million voter who is will not have voter id when it comes to this election. >> and we see that the attorney general has come on and said he is strongly going to fight for voting rights. let me show a statement by the attorney general. >> today we cannot and we must not take the right to vote for granted. nofr can we short the sacred

responsibility that has fallen on our shoulders. we must guard our basic right. we do not want to reverse the progress that defines us. >> thank you for your time tonight, a quick note, attorney general eric holder will be joining us this week in washington dc. i'm honored that he will give the opening decrease wednesday morning. please go to nationalactionnetwork.net. and when we come back, my opinion on mike wallace. [ male announcer ] this is genco services --

mcallen, texas. in here, heavy rental equipment in the middle of nowhere, is always headed somewhere. to give it a sense of direction, at&t created a mobile asset solution to protect and track everything. so every piece of equipment knows where it is, how it's doing or where it goes next. ♪ this is the bell on the cat. [ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. ♪ than leading regular juice drinks. because less sugar is a better way to fly. ♪ just not literally. capri sun. respect what's in the pouch.

how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪

welcome back, i close tonight with thoughts on the legendary mike wallace that passed away sat night at the age of 93. one of the scariest calls you

can get in the public life is to hear that mike wallace is on the phone for you. i was in the hot seat with him on a couple of occasions. first in 1993. >> that's what you want? you want to be somebody real bad. i don't think there is anything wrong with that. new yorkers have seen it all and you have to be dramatic enough to get your point heard and you don't have to compete with that in other cities. >> so you have shaped your personality, hair, jogging suit for your audience, a black audience. >> if you were raised by the people i was raised by, you would be like al sharpton. >> and the tactics you have used in the past, the change that seemed to take place perhaps on that hospital bed, and where are you headed from here? >> i think sometimes you do things to get attention. you do things to get through the crowd to center stage.

the real challenge is when you get to center stage do you have something to say? >> mike wallace was famous for his tough questions, i knew it firsthand. >> how do you think people perceive al sharpton? and when i say people, i mean black and white. >> the in black community you have several different views. some think i exaggerate or i wait for something to happen and rush in, and that i exacerbate tensions. in the white community you have the same feeling. >> so on both sides job you agree there are those that say he is a blabber mouth, too flamboyant, a racist, all of those things. >> yeah. >> and that's the price you pay or the price you want to pay. >> that's the price you pay. >> for what? >> for being someone that gets involved in a high profile fight for things you believe in.

>> so mike wallace was tough, but i found him fair. both profiles he did on me, i had no idea what would happen. i think he was fair. my critics think he was favorable. this past week, when mike wallace died, and another journalist i had respect for, a local reporter in new york dies, those two men earned the respect of those that sat on the other side from them. why? because they were fair, thorough, and they told the story as they saw it, not as they came in in a preconceived way. it will be a long time before we see people rise to that legendary level again. but one way to get there is don't come in and try to shape the story. tell the story. tell it hard, hit hard, prod hard, go after whoever it is you're after, but then let the truth speak for i