thanks rick for saving yourself for the big one. that's "hardball" for now. "the ed show" starts now. good evening. a huge new development of the trayvon martin case. george zim serman's attorneys have quit the case and they say they have lost contact with the shooter. zimmerman isn't talking to his attorneys, but you won't believe he is talking to. this is "the ed show," let's get to work. >> we're with drawing as counsel. we have lost contact with him. >> george zimmerman's attorneys are out. sean hannity is in. >> we learned he called him directly bp. >> we'll have the latest on the bizarre turn in the trayvon martin case. how is everybody doing today? >> the president lets loose on the buffet rule. >> do we give another $50,000 to

every millionaire and billionaire in the country? >> no. >> today, republicans dusted off w to provide the response. >> if you raise taxes on the so-called rich, you're really raising taxes on the job creators. >> joan walsh on the president's hard hitting speech and richard wolf on the return of george w. bush. >> i don't like to be beating by a one legged veteran. >> the bully from jersey gets caught deceiving the public. he's here tonight. rick santorum is cutting and running but not before he trashed the party. >> imagine that mitt romney been around at the time we were drafting our constitution, he could just shake it up and rewrite it. thanks for watching. the word is bizarre. a very bizarre twist in the trayvon martin case.

the shooter george zimmerman has gone rogue and his lawyers had enough. late today they cut ties with their client. >> as of how we are withdrawing as counsel for mr. zimmerman. we have lost contact with him. up to this point we had contact every day. he's gone on his own. i'm not sure what hi is doing or who he is talking to. at this point we're withdrawing as counsel. >> we're just announcing to you we can no longer represent him until such time as he may come forward and ask for that help more formally and in a different context than we had so far. >> not only has zimmerman stopped responded to his attorneys, they don't know where he is. he's still in the united states but he's not in florida anymore. >> i will not tell you where he is cause i don't know. for those engaged in the late easter egg hunt, you can stop looking in florida. you look much further than that. >> that's a problem for the martin family.

one of their family attorneys addressed that. >> ta are concerned that george zimmerman, the man that killed their son, is unaccounted for. his lawyers can't account for his where abouts. he won't return their call. they are worried is he a flight risk. will he be brought to justice if and when he is charged for killing their son. >> zimmerman seems to be taking matters into his own hands. he defied his lawyers advice and called the special prosecutor in charge of the trayvon martin case. >> one of things every defense attorney tells hiss client is don't talk to the prosecutors, don't talk to the cops. don't talk to anybody until we get control of the situation and do it through counsel. we're a bit astonished and had some conversation back and forth at the special prosecutors office. they told us what we expected is we're not going to talk to a

criminal potential defendant or suspect or target of an investigation without counsel. we're just not going to do it. they told him that. >> but there is one guy who is taking zimmerman's calls. >> we learned that he had called sean hannity of fox news directly, not through us. we believe, i can't confirm, we believe he spoke directly with sean off the record. he's not even willing to tell us what our client told him. >> zimmerman is ditching his lawyer but he's talking to hannity. he's made it clear who's side he is on when he played the role of defense attorney in a softball interview with george zimmerman's father last week. >> you obviously have spoken to your son. tell us his side of this story on this night. is it true that your son would tutor african-american and minority children on the weekend?

trayvon con fronted him. this is confirmed. his nose was broken and is it true he had lacerations and injuries to the back of his head, sir. none of us were there. there's been a rush to judgment. >> what was the question, sean? get your cell phones the out. tonight's question, will george zimmerman ever face justice? text a for yes. text b for no. you can always go to our blog and leave a comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. i'm joined tonight by attorney and host of the ring of fire radio show. mike, is this a reasonable move by zimmerman's attorney to step out after not being able to get in contact with him for some 48 hours?

>> ed, the safest thing the guys should have done is said these are irreconcilable differences. what they have potentially done is prejudiced him by the statement. he's going to face a bond hearing in front of a judge. the judge will be asking about this idea of his own attorneys not being able to find him. second thing is this description that they have a client that's suffering from post-traumatic stress syndrome. the best thing to do is say we are pulling out. the last thing you want is a loose cannon like zimmerman talking to another loose cannon like sean hannity. he's a polarizing character. you want to go into trial as neutral as you can. sean hannity may not believe this but there are many jurors that are appalled by him and having his name associated by this is a problem for zimmerman as i see it.

>> what would motivate a potential defendant to want to make direct contact with the prosecuting attorney after his attorneys told him not to do that? >> an utter lack of judgment. that's the only way to explain it. if he's going to represent himself then he truly has a fool for a client because he doesn't have any of the expertise to navigate these waters. the idea that he would go directly to the prosecutor and equally con founding to go directly to someone like sean hannity as if that's going to help him. it reflects that this man is really irresponsible and has no judgment. >> mike what about sean's involvement now? how legally involved is he? it would seem to me, sean what did you ask him and what did he say? >> exactly. there's no client, attorney-client privilege here. every utterance becomes an add mission.

hannity can try to spin it, but a good prosecutor can take any admission and make it work against the person accused. this guy is looking at potential life sentence with second-degree with a firearm. in florida it's a life sentence. if it's manslaughter with a weapon, he's looking at 30 years. you have him out there wliek a crazy man talking to other crazy people like sean hannity who has the potential to deep six his defense. he has a great defense. he has a plausible defense because of the incompetence of the state attorney office and the incompetence of the police department. he's losing that edge. no matter what the defense lawyers do to try to advise him, he's not going to listen to him. we've seen it many time in criminal defense cases. they don't listen.

>> as a prosecuting attorney, how important is it that someone has spoken to george zimmerman and asked him questions? >> well, listen, prosecutor often will go to trial without any statement from the defendant. the idea that there are people out there who will give an account that he's given mean he's tethered to that. it makes it harder for his defense lawyers to put on a defense. it helps the prosecution immensely. it's a tough case to begin with because of the ridiculous stand your ground law in florida. this will make swing it back the other way in the statements are ever revealed. >> here is hannity revealing that he has spoken to the shooter. >> people are trying to make this all about george zimmerman. i spoke to him and i'm not going to reveal the contents of that conversation. he's a mentor to minority children. if you were a racist, i don't think you'd be a mentor. >> if he's saying he's not going

to reveal the conversation, that would only pique my inteu. >> the lawyers may get involved. who knows who else he's spoken to. you have an out of control client at this point, and i understand why the lawyers wanted to get out. i agree that laying out their client may not have been the best way to do it, but i understand why. they were lawyers without a client. >> mike, let's say you're defending george zimmerman. he's disregarded the advice of his attorney and the advice of the 911 operator who told him not to follow trayvon martin. how difficult does it make it for the defense attorney? >> the best defense here is the forensic on the case, the lack of real police work, the lack of what the state attorney's office did gives zimmerman a plausible defense. the stand your ground law gives

him plausible defense. right now it's very defensible. the more he talks, every word he speaks just gives the prosecutor another edge. what he has now, ed, he has a bunch of flying monkeys flying around his case. he even has a website that really attracts people like skin head, white issue prem assists to give to his defense. the whole point of the prosecution is this is a murder that took place and racism was part of the reason it took place. he has flying monkeys all over his case right here. his defense lawyers, i'm certain they messed up in saying too much at the press conference. no question about it. really, they have an out of control client. he had him. i've had them before. they are tough to control and zimmerman is his worst enemy. it's getting worse by the day. >> one of attorneys compared the zimmerman case to another famous florida case. here it is.

>> we hope for the best for george zimmerman. we hope for the best for the martin family as well. when this case is eventually over, and just like casey anthony, it will eventually be over. it's our hope that the martin family can begin completing the grieving process for their son and george can get his life reinstated a a little bit. >> what does it tell you about zimmerman's lawyers that they are comparing this to casey anthony? >> i hope there's no book deals. this guy is out of control. unfortunately, for him, unfortunately for the prosecution he's acting with the same kind of lack of judgment that they will claim, if they do charge him, that he exercised on the night he shot and killed trayvon martin. >> mike, dan, great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. remember to answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. we want to know what you think. up next, did zimmerman's former attorneys affect a potential

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we have some breaking news. special prosecutor in the killing of an unarmed teen. says she will call a news conference within the next 72 hours to release new information. that being reported by reuters tonight. within the next 72 hours, the special prosecutor angela corey will hold a news conference to release new information within 72 hours. coming up, what do george zimmerman's ex-lawyers comments

mean for the case. i'll talk to retired homicide detective john butchco next. the president hit the trail today speaking out on the buff feet rule and tax fairness. a new report reveals chris christie lied about the cost of a commuter rail project in order to kill it. the senator of new jersey called for the study. he joins me later. we'll be right back.

nothing that we're saying here today will change the

evidence. nothing we're saying will change the law. if we're correct and we believe we are as to what we've said so far, the evidence that you have seen and the evidence we have reason to believe exists is in the possession of the prosecutor and law enforcement taken together and apply to the law, we frankly believe that the correct decision will be to not charge him. >> george zimmerman's former attorney says their statement today will not influence a potential case against zimmerman. at the same time, they call george zimmerman's mental well-being into question. >> our concern is for him to do this when he has a couple of professionals out there working as hard as we were for his benefit to handle it this way suggests he may not be in complete control of what's going on. we're concerned for his emotional and physical safety. >> in another surprising revelation, attorney hal uhrig said they never met face-to-face. >> probably 99.4% of the cases you sign a representation

agreement, you represent them after that. for attorneys ta practice here in central florida with 54 million tourists coming to disney and universal and getting arrested and flying home and hiring us from minnesota or california or from europe, it's not totally unusual to meet with your client personally. we do it all the time. >> let's bring in john butchco, a retired police department detective. as an investigator, did the attorneys statements impact a potential case for george zimmerman from what you can see? >> well, it's a pleasure being here. in what i can see by their statement what they say really means nothing to the case especially what they're saying to the media. should he be charged by saying those exact words in front of a jury could influence the jury to find the defendant not guilty.

the case will be based on the physical evidence, on the angles of the shot, the injuries to mr. zimmerman and the variety of other information which will be important to a jury. defense lawyers will talk about a case in front of a jury. they will tell it will jury some things that are not true and they will try to discredit the police officers on the stand and go from there. it will mean something in front of a jury but not here in the media. >> let's bring back mike, an attorney and host of ring of fire radio show and former federal prosecutor. gentlemen, the story is that the prosecuting investigator is going to hold a press conference within the next 72 hours to release new information. mike, your response to that. >> it's all adding up to there's really real potential, it's hard to read tea leaves, i think there's going to be an indictment.

i say that because this is a prosecutor that said we don't need a grand jury. i have the facts in front of me. she's very capable. i would be amazed if there's not an indictment that comes out. i'm sure this is a prosecutor that is concerned about the public relations circus that's taken place here and she feels like she has to get out there. she has to say, look, hold on, i've looked at it. in 72 hours i'm going to give you an answer to maybe calm this three-ring circus down a bit. i think that's probably what's at work. >> your thoughts on this. 72 hours. is that strange she would put a time frame on when she's going to release new information? >> well, it's going to create a lot of anticipation and even more scrutiny and interest. in this case there's so much of it, it may not matter either way. i do think that talking to mike's point, there's no question this is going to be a tough case if it's brought.

if she believes this guy committed a crime, then she ought to bring the charges even if it's a tough case. there's not reason not to bring a tough case if you believe there's been a crime. i think she may be leaning that way just based on some of the things we have been hearing and seeing. >> as an investigator, now that george zimmerman has spoken to someone who happens to have radio and television show, wouldn't that take the prosecutor or the investigators right to that host to ask him some questions. he's not bound by any attorney-client information. he could be with holding some information. wouldn't you want to interview him? >> that's right. any information that george zimmerman gives to anymore other than his attorneys is information the prosecution can gather. you can interview them. that information could be used

against mr. zimmerman or in his favor. >> mike, the attorneys for zimmerman said they contacted hannity and he couldn't tell them what the conversations are about. what do you make of that? >> have they said more than i would want them to say, yes. this is all about hannity. he could not careless about zimmerman. this is about hannity. he's taken this thing. it's a terrible tragedy. he turned it toward it being a sean hannity story which is ver characteristic. he's prejudiced for zimmerman. you'll see the polarizing affect has big ramifications. it has big legs. i don't care how hard you try to pick a fair and impartial jury. you want to go in with a neutral story.

you don't want a guy like hannity who is a loose cannon trying to try this case in the public not for zimmerman but for fox news and for hannity. >> thanks for your time tonight. president obama is calling out republicans for stomping on middle clas in order to benefit the wealthy. the guy who told reporters they would be better off voting for president barack obama for mitt romney ends his bid for the gop nomination. we'll go back -- he goes back on his word. stay with us.

you saved up all your money and you made smart investments and now you've got your nest egg and preparing for retirement. i'm saying you're bringing in a million bucks or more a year. what the rule says is you should pay the same percentage of your income in taxes as middle class families do. >> president obama on a roll urging the senate to go with the buffet rule. it makes millionaires with low tax rates bay an overall rate of 30%.

in a speech in south florida the president describes some of the things the country could pay for if millionaires paid their fair share. prescription drugs for eltderly, salaries for firefighters and police officers, financial aid for students and a whole lot more. >> if you hear them saying well the president's make this, we're done the math. if they want to dispute anything i said right now they should show us where they would make those cuts. >> president obama didn't mention any republicans by name but his message will be central to the general election. there was any doubt who the opponent would be, rick santorum wiped it away today. >> we made a decision to get into this race against all the odds. we made a decision over the weekend while this presidential

race for us is over, for me and we will suspend our campaign effective today. we are not done fighting. we are going to continue to fight for those voices. we're going to continue to fight for the americans who stood up and gave us that air under our wings that allowed us to accomplish things that no political expert would have ever expected. >> i'm joined by joan walsh, editor at large, salon.com. great to have you in studio here in new york. >> so much fun. >> rick santorum didn't have confidence to go home on home turf to face romney. what's that all about? >> no. what was so funny they revealed this ad, the last ad that romney was going to drop on him, the last cluster bomb that called him a loser in his home state. that's what was happening. he was seeing the polls. when i saw the ad, i thought this poor guy romney has made

himself an enemy. he's made it very hard to come together. he said nothing about romney today. >> also, santorum did not want to give mitt romney the street credibility of saying what are you talking about a brokered convention. the guy that was closest to beat me, i beat him in his home state. >> he wiped him off the map today. that's gootd for romney, but at the same time we saw president obama set up this perfect choice. mitt romney is the poster boy for the top 1%. he's the poster boy for the buffet rule. we'll have a lot of talk about tax fairness and the opportunity that tax fairness provides. >> the president in his campaign banking on income inequality being more important to people than the deficit. will it work? >> i think it will work. the third way group are a nice pragmatic democratic group. they are reallying saying income equality is a losing issue and shouldn't talk about it so much. i think the way he does it is he

thais it to opportunity. he ties it to what the tax dollars to create it. >> isn't president obama facing the perfect candidate, mitt romney for the conditions of the country right now to depict where the vulture chart is that we show so much versus the middle class? this is a guy who really has tax rate of 13.9% and he also has a tax policy that is only going to help those red liners. >> it's only going to help him. absolutely. it's the perfect candidate. the perfect time. rick santorum too. he called mitt. he derided mitt approximate the republicans have done a lot of damage to mitt romney in this primary. it's a good day for the president. >> paul ryan, the house budget chair from wisconsin spoke about the president's recent speeches. >> we have gotten used to this verbal tantrums from the president.

to me it's a little more petulance than presidential. >> why is he targeting you? >> we are offering solutions to a debt crisis that he isn't. he hasn't offers any solutions to these problems. >> your response. >> he called the president petulance. paul ryan is the most petulant character in washington. he's so thin skinned. he was also deriding the president because the buffet rule won't collect enough revenue. his doesn't collect any. >> that's not where the country is to attack the basic three. 67% of americans want to see the wealthiest americans pay more when it comes to taxes. that goes exactly the opposite of where the republicans are with the budget that came out of

the house, the ryan plan. to go after the president like this, does this just show they are weak on game. they don't have anything else to make him the target? >> they have no game. the game will be that the economy is still in a tough place. we know that. that's what he inherited. he made it better. as long as things are ticking up and the unemployment rate is ticking down, he's n pretty good shape. he's not out of the woods. democrats cannot be complacent about it. >> because of the money. a lot of people are in a tough lace. >> i think that ryan pretty much is proving the president's point where some of the things he's saying. great to have you us with tonight. thanks so much. we believe that all freedom is universal. we strongly believe in the concept of the freedom. >> coming up, george bush is back and he is still not making

any sense. rick santorum is cutting and running. >> this presidential race for us is over for me and we will suspend our campaign today. chris christie gets busted deceiving the people of new jersey. senator is here with the details.

i wish they weren't called the bush tax cuts. if they were called some other body's tax cuts they're probably less likely to be raised. >> he sure loved them being called the bush tax cuts when he was president but the country is realizing what a bad idea they really were. i guess you just see things once you've been out of the white house for a while. that was former president bush today in new york speaking at the new york hysterical, i mean the new york historical society.

i wrote that. he's back. he's bringing back the greatest hits of the bush presidency like the job creators. >> if you raise taxes on the so-called rich, you're really raising taxes on the job creators. >> oh, yeah. bush's economic policy worked so well it helped create the worst recession since the great depression. look at the jobs created when he cut taxes on the so-called job creators. the former president spoke. he said this. >> i'm taking a bunch of vets mountain bike riding. i love to mountain bike ride. what i don't like to do is be beaten on a mountain bike ride by a one-legged veteran, but it's likely to happen. >> well, in the iraq war alone there pr more than 4,400 american troops killed and more than 32,000 troops wounded.

bush has stayed largely out of the limelight since president obama took office. >> i don't think it's good for our country to undermine our president. i don't intend to do so, but i do intend to remain involved in areas that i'm interested in. >> the former president answered a question he is frequently asked. >> i've been asked do you miss the presidency, i really don't. >> let's turn to richard wolf. >> we miss him, right. >> it's an old highlight film. that's the same guy. >> he's arguments haven't changed. i was there in 200 when he said it's not the government's money, it's the people's money. it turned out to be china's money when it came to tax cuts. he's still making the same arguments he did ten years ago. >> i don't think the former president should be making a joke about a one-legged veteran

or is there something i'm missing here? >> no. you would think after the period of self-reflection that woultd come at the end of a presidency he might to able to take things differently. he always had an inappropriate sense of humor. we heard paul ryan call the president petulant. the seriousness of occasion escaped him not necessarily when he was doing his visits to hospitals, of course, but to make light of something like the war in iraq and its terrible legacy is strange but that's who he always was. >> let's go back to the tax cuts which he is pushing hard for even though he doesn't want them to be called the bush tax cuts anymore. his philosophy is still the same. he never argued calling them the bush tax cuts back then when they were taking place in 2001

and 2003 and what they thought was economic growth for the top 2%. what do you think? >> he seemed to be making the argument in his speech that are a form of stimulus and it could well be that to some degree. this president, president obama will say we need to keep those middle class tax cuts, the piece of the bush tax package in place because the economy isn't strong enough at the end of this year to take them all out circulation. they are saying it will pay themselves and it's the right thing to do. never mind that millionaires and billionaires are the ones that benefit. it's a weird piece of philosophy because he is arguing for something now but he's not in line with the conservative idealology of his own party. >> here is more words of wisdom on economic policy.

>> the pie rose. the debt relative to the pie shrinks. >> we're getting a good lecture on deficits, aren't we? >> a guy who again in 2000 said he wanted to make the pie higher for everyone. i'm still not sure what he meant by that. growth is an interesting argument. i think that's what he is trying to say in terms of the economics he is putting out there. what you are hearing from his own party is that growth isn't the most important thing. cutting the deficit is the most important thing. if you look at him now as conservative as he was, could he win the nomination of his own party today? i think the answer to that is no. >> finally, the former president on the lessons he's learned. >> in life you're going to be dealt a hand you don't want to play.

it happens when you're president. the question is how do you play it. >> how do you play it? >> i think -- look, i do have some respect. a lot of respect for this former president. for one reason right now, he has stayed out of the limelight. he has refrained from criticizing the president, president obama in the way that many in his party has done. he seems to let history wash over him as if he was a passive creature. he is someone who chose to invade iraq. we still don't know the full reasons, but that's the hand he was dealt. >> looks like the same guy to me. good to have you with us. thank you so much. we'll have more on the breaking news of the trayvon martin case. martin team attorney is next. stay tuned.

breaking news out of florida. the special prosecutor has announced she will hold a news conference within the next 72 hours. the martin family attorney darrell parks is here with reaction. stay with us. we're right back.

florida special prosecutor angela corey, will hold a news conference sometime in the next 72 hours to release new information in the trayvon martin investigation. the announcement comes on the heels of george zimmerman's attorney dropping their client after he stopped responded to their calls. for more, let's bring in daryl parks, attorney for the trayvon martin family. good to have you with us tonight. i've got to ask you, do you think this is it? that charges will be brought forward within the next 72 hours? >> i'm very encouraged. i think if you think about this case, ed, it was rather clear that most of us said a deadline of being today that we would get some type of decision.

i think the special prosecutor must have realize that and had to give some information so we'll have some indicator of when we could get an announcement. lo and behold this evening she did just that. she put out a statement that she in the next 72 hours would have a major press conference to announce what she's going to do. we know from our personal information in this case that her investigators have been out talking to witnesses, have gathered a lot of information. she's asked us to be patient with her in doing her investigation. now, she's come to the point where she is ready to give us major decision. we're very enthusiastic about receiving that decision. at the end of the day george zimmerman shot trayvon martin, and remains free. >> what about the 72 hours? isn't that unusual she would put a time frame on it? >> she probably won't take 72 hours. they give themselves a nice time broad set and have something to work with.

>> some very unusual and bizarre news and that is that george zimmerman's attorneys have distanced themselves from their client because he hasn't been communicating with them, but he has been talking to sean hannity. your action. >> he called the prosecutor too. he's been very noncomplaint. maybe that's not the type of information we should know as the public and opposing attorney. he will do what he wants to do. he will be noncome plants when he has instructions. very similar to what we have seen in the case when the dispatcher told him to stay in the vehicle and not follow trayvon and he followed him any way. >> he's pretty much a loose cannon from what you've seen? >> pretty much. i think the american public has to look at this and clearly see this is the type of guy that

does what he wants to do? >> are you concerned about a flight risk? do you think he's a flight risk? >> very concerned. the only reason i have some assurance is when we met with the florida department of law enforcement about two and a half weeks ago they told us that they knew the whereabouts of george zimmerman. this is an ongoing investigation. i'm pretty sure they have maintained that contact. >> thanks for your time. next up, chris christie says he killed a major infrastructure project because of the cost. now, a new report says he fudged the numbers. i stepped on the machine, and it showed me the pressure points

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i'm not going to put the taxpayers of our state on the hook for cost that are well in excess of what this was originally projected to be. >> that was governor chris christie of new jersey back in 2010 blocking a hudson river rail project that would have created thousands of johns,

improved commuting for millions of workers and enhanced infrastructure. at the time, christie explained he was killing the project because of the cost but today we learned that was a lie. a report from the government accountability office concludes that christie exaggerated the price tag. he cited estimates from the state transportation officials ranging from 11 to $14 billion. the gao report concludes the cost was no more than $10 billion. christi enflated new jersey's share of the cost. he said the state was on the hook for 70% of the project. well, it turns out the state would have paid just over 14% of the project. the project was killed after it had already begun. hundreds of millions of dollars had been spent the the decision didn't just impact the state of new jersey.

it would have alleviated congestion from boston to washington, d.c. the only person this helped is governor chris christie. the same guy that will not raise taxes on millionaires. today, he had no apologies. >> when they want to build a tunnel to the basement of macy's and stick the new jersey taxpayers with a bill of 3 to $5 billion over, no matter how much the administration yells and scream, you have to say no. you have to look them right in the eye and say no. you have to be willing to say no to those things that compromise your principles. >> i'm joined by new jersey senator, the chairman of the senate sub committee on surface transportation. good to have you with us tonight. >> nice to be here. >> there's a big difference

between 70% and 14%. what's your reaction to the report? >> the gao report is done. it's a nonpolitical organization. they are credible surveys. they say baloney. that's not the case. he misled the public in terms of what the cost might be. i had worked very hard and had several people to get the initial money. $6 billion, ed for that tunnel. we have worked already about $400 million worth just preparing. found out that he casually inexcuaby creating figures that didn't balance. >> did he lie to the public? >> he misled them. >> this was a big move on his part. >> it was a big move. it was deliberate. he had a mission for the funds

that were going to come to the government, to the federal government and state government. >> you call this the most transportation project of our time. you also called the decision one of the biggest public policy blunders in new jersey history. >> i believe that to be the case. >> how much fuel does this throw on that fire? what do you think the reaction will be? >> i think the reaction will be angry at governor christie. he owes the public an apology. we were working in 2009 on the tunnel. suddenly, he called it off. it would have been 22,000 cars a day off the road. it would have been 6,000 jobs immediately digging and shoveling. it would have resulted in 44,000 jobs for people to go from new jersey to new york and vice versa. >> great to have you with us tonight.