president of columbia, president santos. lan tin america is on the road to giving jobs and hope to those who need it most, and that can only be good news for this country. that's "hardball" for now, "politicsnation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> welcome to "politicsnation," i'm al sharpton, tonight's lead, mitt romney found himself a quiet room where he could say what he really thinks about government, fairness, and mothers. he had a exclusive fundraiser last night in florida. no reporters were allowed but the speakers were clearly heard on the street. for example, his candid response to comments about the war on moms. he called it a gift to the

campaign. and his wife said it was an early birthday present for someone to be critical of me being a mother, and that was really a defining moment and i loed loved it. that doesn't match the outrage we saw last week. the colleagues with chris hayes uncovered video from romney a few years ago showing he has a different view of nonworking moms if they're poor. >> just three months before, we said stay at home moms are all working moms. he wants moms with kids, you need to go to work. >> people said that's heartless, i said no, i'm willing to spend more giving day care to allow those parents to go back to work fp will cost the state more providing that day care, but i

want the individuals to have the dignity of work. >> so romney thinks that stay at home moms are working moms unless they're on welfare, in which case they don't have dignity. that's curious. he said in his book welfare without work erodes the spirit and sense of self-wort of the recipient. and it conditions the children of nonworking parents to be unproductive in life. kids raised on welfare are doomed to be lazy? meanwhile he launched back into his claims about how hard women have been hit by the recession. >> 92% to 93% of the jobs lost have been lost by women. >> this claims that been debunked countless times, but he

never let that get in the way of bad spin. i have guests with me now, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you for having us on. >> congresswoman pass, what's your response to romney's double standard on nonworking moms? >> first of all, i think it's very interesting, him talking about it being a gift. it's almost as if the continues exploitation of women is a gift to him. it's an example of how romney has no clu how average and working people live and how poor family vs. to survive in tough economic times. people on and off public assistant are because they lost a job, health care, or because one of their children was sick. that's why they end up being without employment. it's as though people with tough

economic times don't know how to work. the fact of the mat sere people who have tough economic times work harder than most other folks he is talking about. >> chris, i think this tape that you uncovered i think really takes this argument somewhere serious. and it really flips this in terms of where some of the romney supporters are saying. they were outraged that the inference was that women at home working is not working. but romney's position is women at home not working and on welfare. there is something to be implied there. >> they lack the dignity of work, right. the point is -- >> you can't have it both ways. >> you can't, let's remember this is not a random cable pund

pundit, this is actually policy he supported. this double standard we have in the way that we conceive of what counts at work. that double standard plays out in terms of how to we treat women at the bottom of the scale and at the top top. everybody understood the context, they justmented to pretend they didn't. >> i think what is so profound about you finding this tape, is that it's not that he supported it, he advocating it. and congresswoman pass, this is not a pundit or somebody not connected to romney, not somebody on his campaign, this is him. and he is basically saying if you're a working mom -- i mean a nonworking mom but you have money, it's a hard thing to raise kids, but if you're on welfare it's not a hard thing and a full-time job. >> exactly, and you must,

whether you're working on a job or working at home, work should always be respected and valued. as a working mother, i know how difficult that is. so a job inside a home and outside a home is still work. you can't say it's only valid when you're wealthy. some of the working women that he is referring to, people who have worked hard all throughout their life, and they slight hit a tough time. so they might not have the two jobs which is the job outside of the house and the job inside of the house temporarily, but they should certainly not be disrespected and that's what he did. >> they tried to claim on fox news sunday that defunding planned parenthood isn't really defunding planted parenthood, watch this. >> defunding from a federal budget perspective is not the same thing. it's not fair to say that not

having funding for planned parenthood is defunding planned parenthood. >> he could not get rid of a private charity. he could not entirely defund it, he could cut it off from federal dollars and that would have a significant impact. he is indicating the maximum use of his power. >> what they're really doing is trying to back away from some of the anti-women comments. >> republicans thought they could turn planned parenthood into a scary boogy man or woman that they could run against. what they thought and had to learn time and time again, over the past year particularly, is that people think fondly of planned parenthood because it

plays a crucial role developing health services to women, sfligt. >> congresswoman bass, he has a lot more to get out of, part of what he stood for, he supports per sonhood, he wanted to defund planned parenthood as we just sad, and he supports the ryan budget that slashes spending that women rely on. so he has a lot to walk back from. and now thanks to chris hayes, he has to explain how he is talking about a certain class of women working at home apparently. if we go by this tape, he doesn't shaf the same feeling for women raising three, four, or five kids at home. he has a little walking back to do. >> exactly, but she consistent.

you have to give that to him. if you're talking about attacking poor women, get rid of hud, he's talking about cutting back and getting rid of the department of education. the class attack is very consistent. it just happened to play out on women this week. again, to say that a poor woman at home is not working, but a wealthy woman home taking care of her kids is work. we value the work of the wealthy, duo not value the work of people who are low income. >> chris, we had, as i said at this fundraiser, you could hear in the street what he was saying. he said that hud may not be the there anymore. he also talked about needing to reach a broader audience than fox news.

he said, "his campaign was well watched by fox a but they were watched by true believers and he needed a wider audience for voters that will decide the election in november" do they know that women and independents don't watch fox? that's just the home crowd. i have to talk to the broad america, i can't talk to fox if i want to talk to women and independents. >> each of us would be only too delighted to have the former governor -- >> i would cancel all of my guests. >> we could do it for two full hours. that shows -- that's an obvious fact. the campaign understands they have dug themselves a hole in running this primary. the new polling out today that

shows a huge gender gap troubles them. they understand they have to outperform john mccain, otherwise, it's not going to happen. and they coming out of this primary and they have a uphill battle against those constituencies. >> i'm sure if you had him back on it would be a etch-a-sketch moment. >> mr. romney any night you want, i'll give you the whole hour, i'll only ask three questions, i want you to just be able to talk. congresswoman bass and chris hayes, thank you for your time. >> of course, you can catch up with chris hayes weekends from 8 a.m. to 10:00 eastern. what did willard say when he thought we weren't listening,

and new details at the secret service sex scandal. allegations of prostitution and misbehavior from the men who are supposedly protecting the president. >> and my interview with trayvon's parents talking about today's big news that could shape the trial of their son's killer. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc i mean he could teach. he was there for us, even if we needed him in college. you could call him, you had his phone number. he was just focused on making sure we were gonna be successful. he would never give up on any of us.

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are there no fair questions about the distribution of wealth without it being seen as envy though? >> i think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms. >> remember that? willard romney saying we should save talk about inequality in quiet rooms. turns house he has been talking in quiet rooms. rooms like the fundraiser he was having last night. he was feeling right at home with fellow 1%ers. he went right into the world of being candid. he didn't know that we we could hear him talking about expanding the inequality. he said i will consolidate it with another agency, or make it a heck of a lot smaller.

housing and urban development "might not be around later" that means 4.5 million of the nation's poorest families will lose subsidies. >> this won't be popular and he knows it. in a campaign call today, his people said "romney was just discussing ideas that came up on the campaign trail." i guess it's time to find a more quiet room, willard. . i have erin mcpike here, a reporter for real clear politics, thank you for joining and coming on the show tonight. steve, let me start with you. what do you make of these comments?

>> this really plays tight for romney. he is particularly vulnerable for how politicians go, he is unusually driven by calculation. there is no core to this guy. and this is is the anecdote that can be repeated and brought up through the rest of the campaign. every time he questions a liability of president obama, this is the sort of thing that can be brought up and hurt him. and this speaks to the nature of the campaign romney wants to run. he is designed to be the generic candidate. the guy that's vague and gets buy into ufs. he let the election hinge on the desire of the public to get balm out of office, and do as little

as they can to keep them from swaying on those terms. >> romney was short on specifics in many areas. he said "i'm going to take a lot of departments in washington, and agencies, and combine them. some eliminate. but i'm probably not going to lay out just exactly which ones are going to go." is he being vague on purpose because he knows how dangerous it would be to outline massive cuts? >> yes, can and romney himself said he does not want to lay out specifics. i would say that i'm a little surprised that he said he would want to eliminate hud entirely. it's a very important agency and not one that we hear people talk about eliminating. the ore thing i would say is mainstream republicans think

they trying to eliminate any federal agency does not make sense and they should stop talking about doing that. it was surprising for him to make that comment. in addition to that, the obama administration is already beginning to consolidate agencies. they launched a couple programs to do that already in this last year. >> steve, he said that the president is, he accused president obama to play hide and seek on issues and of being dodgy. >> he wants us to reelect him to we can find out what he will do. with all of the challenges the nation face books, this is is is is not the time for president obama's hide and seek campaign. you don't have to wait until after the election to find out what i believe. >> he won't tell us what agencies he's going to combine,

he won't tell us what agencies he will cut, but we don't have to wait for the election. he called the president dodgy? >> yeah, there goes that talking point i think. again, he gets to the strategy that his campaign has been using. some people call this the rubber and blue approach. he takes his vulnerability and projects it on to obama. he criticism of romney and the republican party was war on women, so he tried last week to thousand that on obama nap is the strategy these guys will use, and they do not want this election to fundamentally be about mitt romney, what's he's proposing and say, they want him to be as vague as possible so the agenda can rest squarely on,

the country just wanted to get rid of the incumbent. >> he said on nbc today, he said the president should start packing. let me show you this. >> as it beginning toward november, what would each of you to president and mrs. obama? >> well, start packing. >> start packing, his wife says it's their turn. they're getting a little confident, don't you think? >> you know, that is just a standard political line. a lot of republican aren't yet enthused about mitt romney and don't think he has a good of a chance to take out the president, so that's a standard line. >> i expect you're right because if you look at his

unfavorabilities, romneys is way higher than previous presidential candidates at this same point in the race. it's a little early for him to be so cocky. in 2004, kerry had 53% favor rating verses 36%. 2008, mccain had 58%. obama had a 56% favorable. look at rom any, he has just a 37% favorable rating ferss a 49% unfavorable rating at this point. i mean, steve, start packing? what does he do to turn this unfavorable rating around? >> those numbers will tell us a few things. this is as unpopular as the republican party has been since the clinton impeachment.

you look at the comments and how generic from this secret encount ner florida how generic obama is willing to be. when he is that unpopular, it raises the question. he has to do something, i think at some point in this campaign to stand out in a way that makes a favorable, positive, unique impression on those that do not like him. the numbers are suggesting that if this is a toss up race, they're not good enough to guarantee reelection, or bad enough not to, he has problems. >> you said he has problems with independents and moderate voters, that the base is still not fired up. you covered him throughout this whole campaign, you know the base is not fired up, is that what you're saying? >> a lot of the base isn't fired up, and you see that in some of the things romney has to continue to do.

the campaign is not ready to pivot to the general election, and that's part of the reason they keep hiding things from us. they're not ready to go full speed ahead because they still have the shore up that base. >> great, great, thank you, great job both of you in getting this and putting focus on this, steve karnacki and erin mcpike, thank you for joining me. ahead, the secret service prostitution scandal erupting, the list of people involved is growing. we'll get reaction from a top former agent, and the case against george zimmerman just took a turn, big news out of florida today. c'mon dad!

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we're back with breaking news, you're looking at a live picture of the senate floor where they voting right now on the buffet rule that would require people earning a million dollars a year to pay at least 30% in taxes. the senate vote has been under way for more than 20 minutes. republicans are in the minority against this, but are expected to filibuster the bill and block it. joining me now is senator brown, a democrat from ohio.

thank you for being on the show. >> thank you, you just voted on the buffet rule that would require a tax rate of 30% for people earning $1 million or more, which would be about 210,000 people. isn't this a good thing for our recovering economy? shouldn't the rich pay their fair share? >> it's a good thing for a lot of reasons, it's fair. when the middle class public pays pretty high taxes, are in a position where they're seeing hedge fund managers pay 15%, some people billionaires paying at that 15% tax rate on their hedge fund profits, this is billions of dollars that will go to deficit reduction, and billion that's will have to cut spending on programs that matter to families. pell grants, health and education programs, and it's

something we should have done a long time ago. john boehner call social security a gimmick. it's the right thing to do. it happens to be politically popular because it is the right thing to do. >> you said deficit reduction, but they claim to be all about deficit reduction, how do they claim to warrant it but turn down these revenues that could be committed to getting us close tore that? >> they i think, history shows they don't care about deficit reduction. 10 and 12 years ago, we had the largest surplus, and then bush took office, and then we had the largest deficit is when president obama took office. so they're interested in the end in protecting the wealtheist

people in the country. it seems to be where they go. if they really cared about deficit reduction they would do things like the highway bill, it's like my bill on currency. it will put millioning of people back to work and stop china from gaming the world trade system, and that there. >> beth: be in tax revenues. if they were really concerned about deficit reduction and not just tax breaks, they would do all of these things. >> they're going after it pretty har muchly. going after president obama and the buffet rule, let me show you what he said? >> by waesing so much time on this political gimmick that democrats admit won't solve our

larger problems, it shows that the president is more interesting in misleading than leading. for him it's not about jobs or the economy. it's about his idea of fairness. about imposing it on others. if we lose more jobs in the process, oh well, so be it. >> political gimmick, this kind of fairness? i mean, senator, how does this play to your voters back here in ohio, how does this play to your voter sns. >> nobody buy that's it's a gimmick. the american people, two to one, support the buffet rule. makes the richest people in the society who have done very well in the last ten years, and the broad middle class and working class votesers have had no raise. for mitch mcconnell to say it's a gimmick and that we're wasting time, this is a man that a couple years oob said misnumber

one political goal is to defeat barack obama. he has done nothing to cooperate on job creation, nothing to stand up to the oil industry on gas prices and on the subsidies they get, and we have this kind of gridlock because he won't work with the president and with people in both parties to get this done right. >> senator browne, thank you for your time. >> ahead, the secret service is growing, what will be the impact? that's next. piro.obert

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we know 11 agents were put on administrative leave and sent home before the president arrived. today the top secret security clearances of all 11 agents were revoked. the president called for and investigation, and said if true, he would be angry. joining me now is an national investigative correspondent for nbc news, and dani springs who worked for the agency for nearly 30 years. thank you both for being here tonight. let me start with you, michael, can you explain the scandal? how did it start and what's the status now? >> there's a lot of unanswered questions, and a lot of this will depend on how the investigation plays out. apparently 20 people, secret

service and military are alleged to have brought back a prostitutes to their hotel room. there apparently was a dispute between one of the counter assault team agents and a prostitute about whether she had been paid or not or supposed to have been paid. the hotel reported this to the u.s. embassy, and the u.s. embassy reported it to the secret service. >> so all 20 were allegedly engaged in direct involvement with the prostitute. >> that's the allegation, not the same prostitute, separate prostitutes by the way. at least two supervisors, three members of the counter assault team. that's the elite team that you'll see in presidential motorcades that are there to

repeal any potential attack on a presidential motorcade, and three many ebbs of the counter sniper teams. those on top of buildings with rifles looking for threats. the members are secret service law enforcement agents not just members of the uniformed device. so while they said this is not just -- that none of those involved were members of the president's protective detail, these are people are highly sensitive information, they had access to the president's daily minute by minute schedule, and the concern is they could have been subject to blackmail or if any prostitutes cot access to a schedule they could have given it to a foreign intelligence service. >> this is is stunning, danny,

these are senior guys with very sensitive minute by minute information that michael said could have been compromised. you were with the agency 30 years, how do you react to this? these are big guys in the agency? >> well, let me just say that first of all it's not important to distinguish the different responsibilities of the agency. it's one with many divisions and the uniform division is part of the special agent division. it's not important to distinguish the two. they're highly educated agents that appear to have exercised poor judgment in their responsibility for professional conduct. there is an information taking place as we speak. the director has demonstrated as in the past his willingness to make sure those agents, as well as all of the secret service

employees operate at a very high standard and with professional conduct second to none. >> they were all there before the president's arrival, just so we can understand, what would they be doing before the president? what do people in the agency go in and do at their level birdie the arrival of the president? >> first you have an advanced team working closely with law enforcement in that particular area here. and we're talking about columbia, so there way in advance. what we're seeing now of the personnel there under this scrutiny is a support entity to the agents coming in off of air force one. those agents are then making surveys of their different responsibilities, getting the lay of the land, making sure they're introduced in various conducts. let me say this, these agents

are there to spot those agents coming off of air force one. the information available to them often times is is is is not divulged in detail until that day. they know the itinerary and the purpose for which they are there, but they don't always know all of the details that the advanced team might put together. so to say the information may have been compromised is a stretch. the investigation will reveal if officers and agents had information relative to the security plan. >> has anything like this ever happened before? and how do you react to saying it's a stretch to say it could have been compromised. even if they didn't know the details that day it doesn't involve being compromised.

>> first of all, the people i talked to today can't remember anything with the secret service involving this many people. and it's important to remember that the secret service is all about planning for every possible contingency. that's what the secret service does. so maximize protection for the president, and eliminate any possible threat, any possible compromise. so to say that, you know, the agents engage in this activity didn't necessarily compromise or have all of the information is not the kind of answer that anybody senior in the secret service would want to hear at this point. it's anything potential that could go wrong and lead to a compromise. and certainly the scenarios we have been givend today, the fact is they did have advanced hard copies of the president's

itinera itinerary, that's something that nobody in the secret service would want anybody to possibly have accesses to. >> that's amazing if they had a hard copy of the schedule. thank you for your time tonight. still ahead, trayvon martin's parents join me to talk about big news today that could reshape the trial of their son's killer. first, mitt romney has a problem with latino voters, and his friends in the gop aren't helping, stay with us. silver and bronze... ♪ it's the red. it's the green and yellow. it's the red, white and blue. because at the olympic games, it's not the color you go home with that matters. it's the colors you came in. and when colors mean this much, you can only trust them to tide. proud keeper of the red, white and blue.

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welcome back to "politicsnation," today in a florida court, george zimmerman's lawyer filed papers to remove the judge. mark o'mara pointed to a potential conflict involving the judge's husband's law enforcement. could it change the case in i sat down with trayvon martin's parents earl willer today and their attorney. >> let me start with you attorney crump, what do you make of the motion to get rid of the judge. >> it's fascinating they would make that motion when the state

attorney say they have no quorum with it, and it seems like it would be beneficial to the defense because her husband is is is married to mark lee james who has a relationship with other defense lawyers laich o'mara. we think she's qualified, and most importantly, she is accountable to the people. we don't want a retired judge on this matter, we want a judge that has to be elected so she will be accountable to the voters. >> let me ask you as well as as sybrina and tracy. the lawyer has by saying the trial might not happen until next year. do you think they're trying to stall? and is this a stalling tactic to run the clock? >> i hope as officers of the

court they're not doing tactics like that. we had to wait so long just to get to first base. we pray that's not the case. it should not take any longer than any other trial. >> are you concerned how it will affect you if they try to delay this into next year? >> i think it's been declayed enough with the arrest coming 40 plus days after the crime was committed. and it just goes to show further that, you know, it's a fight just trying to get justice. >> what do you think sybrina? >> i think they may be trying to delay it but we will be steadfast and continue to support the cause. >> one of the things i thought about last week, we hadn't seen each other since the day they announced the arrest, it's amazing when i first met you, we

were trying to get attention on the case. now the whole world is watching this case, and he is charged with attempted murder. this has been a great journey for you all. how has life changed for you? how have you handled this? >> it gives us more peace to know that the person that shot and killed our son as been arrested and will be held accountable for what he has done. we have to keep pushing forward for justice. it's not over, we still are to go through the trial. >> i think since the rest it put our hearts at ease knowing he was off of the streets. but still, there's still a long drawn out process. so we're going to continue to stay in the trenches. >> are you satisfied so far? >> yes, we're satisfied. >> pretty much. >> there has been some push

back, people saying ugly thinks about trayvon or you all. some of us that support you all. but you have handled that with real cool and calm response. >> we see those things as a distraction, we have to stay focused on what we're doing which is justice for trayvon. those things will take our focus off of what we need to be focused on. i think you're right, i saw that i was told to apologize, we only asked for an arrest, and we emphasized peace and no problems, but bill and i go to dinner all the time, and we have a relationship, i don't know why he didn't just call me. so bill, you need to come on the show and talk about it or let's go to dinner, don't play to your crowd like you don't have dinner with me. you heard the defense attorney

talk, do you feel we can get a conviction? >> i believe in my heart that based on all of the evidence, george zimmerman will be convicted. and thoses he will be con convicted of, we believe there's enough evidence there. >> let me ask you, tracy and sybrina, throughout all of this, and i think from the national civil rights groups and all, i was first to come in, so i can say i've seen through all of it, you have called for peace and calm, and we joined you in that. will that still be what you call from? >> yes, sir. >> and you're committed from the beginning no matter where it goes, that's where it will go. >> peace and calm, no matter what, till