tv The Squeeze MSNBC April 21, 2012 11:00am-12:00pm PDT
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it feels like it starts to twitch and you can't let go. once you shoot somebody once and you've already experienced it, it's nothing really. >> raise it to your chin. >> only thing i know the next morning you're in a bus. i don't know what they put you on. i never left since. >> honestly, i wouldn't think i would have been here because i wouldn't think of waiving a 15-year-old. i wouldn't changeç it. if we wouldn't hurt nobody, we wouldn't be here right now.
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>> the wabash valley correctional facility in indiana is home to 2,100 inmates. 53 of them are children under the age of 18, sentenced as adults. >> do not be judgmental. they've already been to a judge and a jury. that's not our job to be judgmental of what their crimes are. >> although the prisoners have been sentenced to crimes ranging from burglar to murder, there are some things they hold in common. many come from the same cities, and in some cases, same family. >> i think other people in society and especially around my county and stuff probably think of me as a cold-blooded murder
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or whatever. if they got a chance to talk to me, they would know different. my brother is hoping for forgiveness, too. >> we've always been pretty close. i feel a quiet person, stays to himself. he usuallyç gets along with everybody. just draws and writes a lot. it's really all he does. >> two years ago, brothers blade and bennie reed were sentenced to wabash for a burglary that went awry. even though they were placed in the youth unit, they were kept separate. once bennie turned 18, he moved into the adult population at wabash, while blade remains in the youth unit. >> we don't see each other because he's in the juvenile dorm. i think about him, wonder how he's doing, hope he's staying out of trouble and stuff. >> the reed brothers have been trying for two years to get a
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face-to-face meeting. kids under the age of 18 at wabash must be kip separate from the adults. a visit is all but impossible. >> at times difficult, but really, ain't nothing we can do to change it besides stay out of trouble and hope they give us a visit. >> the reed brothers' life in prison could not be more different than their rural upbringing in the hills of brown county, indiana. >> it's all country out there. i spent most my time outdoors just fishing, hunting, i usually stayed to myself other than my family. always been a shy person, so -- honestly, i wouldn't think i would have been here. i didn't think of waiving a 15-year-old. i try not to think about it. >> blade reed was 13 years old when he and his 16-year-old brother rode their bikes to a neighbor's house intending to
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steal beer. according to police reports, bennie pulled out a gun after entering the victim's home. the victim had a gun of his own and fired on bennie, hitting him in the arm. bennie shot back, killing the 84-year-old man. he then directed blade to cut his wife's throat. she lived, but no one's life would ever be the same. both blade and bennie were waived to adult court. bennie pled guilty to murder and aggravated battery. he was sentenced to 60 years. blade's case was more complicated. court records revealed blade was the victim of physical and sexual abuse when he was an infant. psychiatric reports concluded his maturity was that of a 10-year-old. after months of highly-charged hearings, blade pled guilty to robbery resulting in serious injury and one juvenile account of aggravated battery. he was sentenced to 30 years in prison. neither boy had over had a brush with the law prior to the crime.
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>> during the crime there was a lot of panic and fear. i was intoxicated and stuff, too. things just got out of hand, you know what i mean? like i went to sleep and the next morning when i woke up i had to remember for a second if it really happened, you know what i mean? s if it was a dream or something. >> i was a little scared. i knew i was going to do time over it in and stuff. i was just scared. >> no matter what a juvenileç offender is sintsed to wabash for, their ultimate destination is the same. after turning 18, all offenders are moved to an adult population either here or at another indiana correctional facility. calvin henry serving a 100-year sentence for rape and robbery, although he's already served 30 years, he remembers his introduction to prison life well. >> i was fortunate at 22 years old that some older guys took me under wing and showed me how to
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do time without getting killed. but throwing kids into an adult prison is just not a good ychltd idea. idea. >> okay. >> my name is howard woods. i'm in wabash county correctional facility and i'm 18 years old. i only been in the system one time and that's it. this is my first time ever doing some time for anything. >> auruliuos woods has been serving a four-year sentence for robbery. on 18, woods is on the transfer list to be moved to adult population. >> i can leave any time. i can leave any time now. >> for security reasons, kids
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never know when or where they'll be moving once they turn 18. >> only thing i know they knock on the door at night. they tell you to pack yourç things. next morning you in a bus. i don't know what they put you on because i never left the facility before. >> i agreesht it. thank you, granny. i'm gonna go to my room. >> my mom told me go to school. i wish i would have listened to my mama then instead of learning my lesson now. everything i done bad i think came back round on me. >> i'm sure every family's got their hardships like me, my brother and sister, we were sent to several foster families and stuff. my mom and dad were both arrested. we were sent to child protective services as a young kid. that might have led to
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something. we was adopted onto a good family, know way mean? >> blade and bennie had little contact with their biological parents after being adopted many years ago. when their crime made headlines, bennie says he was shocked by what came next. >> i first received a letter from my dad. that was a pretty moving moment for me cause i hadn't heard from him for a while. he was just asking pretty much forgiveness and telling me what happened and stuff. then i got a letter from my mom next and she was sitting there asking me for forgiveness and stuff and had a lot of her own demons, drugs and stuff she had to fight. i'm sure they put it on themselves. i see it as my own mistakes. >> although contact with their >> although contact with their biological parents helped to
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when i was like 11. and i was cool. i didn't get locked up until i was 13. then 18. 13 i was out lucky. that's all my teenage life. my mom, she was always locked up, too, when i was young. i can name plenty of times when she got locked up, but that's probably part of it, but i wouldn't blame it because i do it. >> lewis is serving an 18-year sentence for robbery.ç >> when i first got locked up when i was 13, i was told everyone was going to come sis why it me they wasn't lying, my grandma used to tell me it's tough love. i guess that was her way of punishing me, no visits. i never even filled out a visitation list because i knew they wasn't gonna come.
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>> i have my nights throughout the week i'll be thinking about how much time there is over my head and stuff, and just about what things could have changed or whatever. i would like the victims of the family to know that i'm sorry. if i could take it back, i would take it back. >> 18-year-old bennie reed has been locked up 2 1/2 years. he's serving 60 years for murder and aggravated battery. younger brother blade now 15, is serving 30 years for his role in the crime. >> on my way up here to wabash valley i was thinking about prisons in the movies and stuff. you would expect things like that. what is nervous, you now what i mean? first thing i noticed was fences with the barbed wire stuff, the guard tower and buildings. it was just a big facility. something i never witnessed or been in before, you know what i mean? >> staring down a 60-year
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sentence isn't the only thing on bennie's mind. he says guilt about blade's 30-year sentence is worse. >> i know it's my responsibility. he looked up to me beingç i wa his big brother and stuff and i led him down the wrong road. know what i mean? >> as much as bennie hopes to see his younger brother, he fears what emotions may be brought to the surface when they see each other face-to-face. >> this ain't going to change us. can't change us. it's as much my fault as it was his. if we wouldn't have hurt nobody, we wouldn't be here right now. >> i'm officer miller, a correctional office here at wabash valley correctional facility and work with the youths incarcerated as adults. outside rec. >> outside activity for the youth offenders at wabash is a
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luxury. by law, they must be sight and sound separated from the adult population. >> last call yard rec. >> with 2,100 offenders all vying for time in the yard, the juvenile offenders have to take what they can get. >> it's raining and it's cold. they're in here for some pretty bad things sometimes, but they're still human and they're still young kids, teenagers, and there's just some aspects of working with a population like that. i have been insulted working here, you know, a couple of times. it's not been anything, you know, too disastrous but it does happen and that's something you always have to watch out for. it's not unusual to come in here and they've got different emotions about things, you know. some ofç them are fathers. they had babies born while they've been in prison. >> one of those fathers is 18-year-old aurulious woods.
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>> my son is 6 months now, you no. he motivate me every day. >> woods hopes to get an attorney and get time cut from his sentence. >> every day i think of it and anything i can do as soon as i can for his first birthday, that's all i'm hoping for. i missed the biggest day when he came. i'm trying to be there for his first birthday. >> for now, his biggest worry is being moved to a new adult prison. >> you have an 18-year-old or 19-year-old now walking into that type of environment for the first time. particularly ones that are known to be transitioning out of the youthful offender program. they're well known. the adult population knows who they are and they know when they get there. that makes that youth very susceptible to some of the games and the different things that the population tries to pull on them in order to get them to do certain things. if you don't let them know, they
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can get in trouble quickly. >> my daddy know, he's been locked up. my mama told me i don't want to take your father's role being locked up. learn a lesson while you're in here. i'm not trying to be like him. i'm trying to see my son grow and be there for him and know his daddy and know i'm here to support him whatever he needs. >> after two years behind bars, will the reed brothers finally [ male announcer ] this is lawn ranger -- eden prairie, minnesota. in here, the landscaping business grows with snow. to keep big winter jobs on track, at&t provided a mobile solution that lets everyone from field workers to accounting, initiate, bill, and track work in real time. you can't live under a dome in minnesota, that's why there's guys like me. [ male announcer ] it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. ♪
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prison and memory of their horrific crime. what they haven't shared is a face-to-face meeting. that's about to change. >> are you ready for blade? have a nice visit with your brother. >> always. kind of a relief. it's been a while, but i probably feel the same way i feel right now, i'm going to be happy. >> interaction between offenders from different cell blocks is not normally allowed. for the reed brothers to meet they have to submit to rigorous security checks. >> strip him down and we'll search him, see if they have anything. once we search them, they'll get dressed and we'll call them in to answer for the visit room. i've got the other reed in here. okay. bye.
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go ahead and strip down. >> both brothers will be strip searched before and after the visit. they're allowed only brief physical contact. their conversation will be monitored by surveillance cameras. >> this is the only time i've seen him in the two years we've been down. ihink about my family a lot, but other than that stuff, i really don't think about none of that. makes it easier just to forget it. cope with it. >> make sure you give your i.d. to the officer. >> while bennie nervously waits for his visit with blade, back on his cell block officers receive a tip that weapons are being made in a neighboring
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cell. >> we were called in by the sergeant of this house to do a targeted shakedown for this cell because one of the offenders who lives here is bound to a wheelchair and it was found in a letter, i believe, about weapon with being in his wheelchair. so we are searching his cell. while we were doing this, other officers were searching the two offenders that live here. have you gone through any of this?ç he's got small little razors.
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that's common around here. taken from the razors. they can use them as anything. they are used for saving, but they could do sharpening tools, cutting someone, cutting something, various things. >> they use them sometimes to fuse them to a toothbrush handle and use them to cut somebody. >> now i need to inform you about the visitation. visiting hours are from 9:00 to 3:00 every day. >> back on the youth unit, the newest arrival prepares for a lifetime behind bars. >> it seemed like a scary movie. it seemed like all the movie for a little bit. honestly, i thought it was a joke from the time i got, went and got locked up, incarcerated. the day of sentencing was mind blowing because it felt like my life just changed in 30 minutes. >> when you send out those visit
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forms you can send out 12, but you can only put seven in an envelope and not have to pay additional postage, okay? all right? >> adam is serving a ten-year sentence for robbery and burglary but it could have been much worse. >> i was facing 85 to life. the reason why they looked at the 85 wasn't because of the felonies, what the felonies were there was violence. there was a hand gun involved. there was somebody had gotten shot several times, multiple times. thenç they looked in my background. this wasn't the first shootout i ever been in. this wasn't the first with a firearm. what really hurt me was the tattoos and the gang relation. then the alias. that's what hit it off. that sparked a fire right there. >> rap sheets like adam's are well known to the juvenile court
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justices tasked with waiving youths to adult prisons. >> the children that i have waived over the years, you know, you know them well. they've been in your court many times. sometimes dozens and dozens of times. it's always painful. it's always painful because you know you're putting a child in adult prison. what comes down to me is, if i have something in the juvenile system and i can keep the community safe, why wouldn't i keep them in the juvenile system? >> back when i was in juvenile, i would hear about people getting waived, but never did i think it was going to be me. i'm not the good guy out of all this. i'm not trying to position myself as a good guy at all. i need to sit back and think, you know, what was going on. this isn't all a joke any more. i've got ten years and ten years isn't a joke, you know? >> even though adam just arrived in the juvenile block, the thought of eventually moving to an adult prison weighs heavily
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on his mind. >> i've had so many people from recently just got out of prison, what's prison like? give me a heads up. it's how you carryç yourself. be cool, you know. don't get in nothing you can't get yourself out of. i definitely say don't borrow something because people will, hey, since you owe me this, go do that to him or go do this or do that. no. don't do that. >> you walk into this world. it's not a joke. but the thing about it is is how you pack yourself when you go into that world. of course, you're going to have little fears. if you're smart, you will. one of the big things is getting into the prison black market.
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whatever it may be, but that's debt. in prison you don't have someone calling you on the phone wanting to get paid. you have someone in your cell wanting to get paid, you know? >> first and foremost they have to come to grips with inmate codes, so to speak. there are certain things that we as correctional facility administrators and staff require and expect from the population, but at the same time there's also the code that the population expects of the other inmates and offenders. even if they crosses the rules against what the staff expectations are, if it's a code theç offender population think you need to abide by, for your own safety, you have to go with the offender code. obviously, you get paid a more
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severe price if you break the offender code. coming up -- >> spin to the right. >> aurulious woods tries to prepare himself for what adult prison has in store. >> i had linen for three weeks when i passed a guy in education coming down the stairs holding his intestines in his arms. [ mom ] to me, chex is not just a little bowl of cereal, it's kind of a big deal.
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back to "young kids, hard time." will they be coming to get him or how is the procedure? you told me to have him ready. he's ready. >> aurulious woods has been in the wabash youth unit for almost a çvqp). the day he turned 18 at wabash, he knew his transfer to the adult population could happen at any time. >> you remember what i told you yesterday? >> yes or no. >> today that time has come. woods learns he'll be transported to plainfield
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correctional facility two hours away. >> you get out of here, you go home and take care of that beautiful little boy. >> i'm ready to get there and do my time and get out to my family. that's it. >> i wish you all the luck in the world. >> all right, granny. what's happening, pro? >> come on. they're ready for you. >> i'm going to keep my hoed straight and move on then i can go home. thank you, granny. >> good luck. >> you, too. >> good luck. >> what's your name and number?
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>> woods, 108145. >> let me see your i.d. go in. what size clothes do you wear? put that in the bag.ç >> i've got the other reed in here. >> after two years behind bars, brothers blade and bennie reed are finally meeting face to face. attorneys for the boys and prison officials agreed that visitation might help the brothers as they face the next few decades in prison. they're only allowed brief physical contact, and officers are monitoring their conversation. >> kind of a relief.
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it's been a while. what's up? >> not much. >> how you been? >> i'm always good, you know? >> you staying out of trouble there? >> yep. >> you look like you lost weight. >> three pounds. i'm about 160 right now. >> 160. >> don't look it, does it? >> i'm like 172, 173. are you shaving yet? >> yep. >> they say we look the same. i don't see it. >> i don't either. hell çno. i don't look nothing like that. ugly head. >> yeah. >> you be all right. ain't got much of a choice.
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>> i got to live with it, don't i? >> yep. >> when's the last time you talked to mom? >> i called her, i think, last week. >> i haven't seen laquisha for a while. >> i think it was two or three months ago. i know it's been a while for you. you've been on visitation restriction. >> you never know. >> my mother passed away in 2005. i got locked up in december of '81. so for all those years, the only time she saw her son was in prison. it was a lot of pain involved. pain that a lot of time doesn't get spoken about. my mother never talked about how bad it hurt. doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out either.
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>> adam is another inmate at wabash who knows about the pain he's caused his family. adam is serving a ten-year sentence for robbery and burglary. >> mom, she saht, you're now away to adult court. all i could do is stare at my mom while she cried and cried her tears out. it was a disaster. i knew it was me killing my mother. back then to us, this was the stuff to go through, you know. to come into middle school. whole bunch of police officers, boom, we're looking for adam contreras. girls got turned on by it. >> the bad boys. >> yeah, bad boys.
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you know, when you have that gun in your hand, feels like you're on top of the world, really. once you pull that trigger, it feels like it starts to twitch and you can't let go. once you shoot somebody once or once you fire a gun once, you're like, hey, you already experienced it. it's nothing really. just a loud shot and a boom. someone can be hit. it's messed up. it really is. >> you can't turn back the clock. you can't put the bullet back in the gun. it gist doesn't work. i can be mad at the judge, but i put me in his courtroom. if i hadn't been in his courtroom, he wouldn't have been able to send me here. i did this. so why not learn to control your anger a little bit and find another way to express it instead of 30 years later being here, laying here in this rack in the middle of the night tossing and turning being mad at yourself and not knowing what to do with it?
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>> coming up -- >> youç woods? >> yes, sir. >> aurulious woods enters the surreal world of adult prison. >> he's going to walk in that cell house scared to death. this is an ugly world. i should be arrested for crimes against potted plant-kind. we're armed, and inexperienced. people call me an over-waterer. [ female announcer ] with miracle-gro, you don't have to be a great gardener to have a green thumb. every miracle-gro product helps your garden grow bigger, more beautiful flowers and bountiful vegetables. guaranteed. so even if... i have all these tools, and i have no idea how to use them. [ female announcer ] everyone grows with miracle-gro.
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if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. no nonsense. just people sense. today, aurulious woods leaves the prison life he has known in the juvenile block in wabash and transfers into the adult population at a new facility two hours away. >> woods, i need you to strip. hands out in front of you, thumbs down. let's go. there you go.
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need you to spin to the right. stand back. that's good. >> when i got to prison, i seen a little bit of violence on the streets and everything, but i hadn't been in for three weeks when i passed a guy in education coming downstairs literally holding his intestines in his arms.u÷3 it upset me. i threw up and all that. within maybe four months, i was sitting in the chow hall eating supper and a guy was ten feet to my left getting stabbed. to me all i meant was i needed to hurry up because we were getting locked down. there'sç nothing cool about th. when you can make that kind of a transformation in the space of three or four months, there is
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nothing cool about that. >> when you in these rooms, that's all you got is time to think. so if you say you ain't got time to think, you're lying or something wrong with you because that's all you got. you're locked down 23 hours a day. most of the time 24. >> secure 501. >> 17-year-old demonet lewis is serving an eight-year sentence for robbery. the past six months of that time have been spent in segregation. >> did you ever think you'd end up as a teenager in an adult prison? >> hard to say, but yeah. i knew it.
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cause when i was 13, i was locked all the way up from 13 all the way to 16, so used to it. my mom, she don't even write me. never have really. not one time since i been here. no the one time. >> when is the last time you saw or talked to your mom? >> talked to her when i was in the county around april or something last year about a year ago. last time i sawç her was when was out which was 2009 or '10. i can't blame it on my family history cause i know most of the stuff that i do, i do. it's my fault. >> i think a lot of it is our fault. by our, i'm talking about those of us wearing this in prison because we weren't there for those kids. we weren't out there to help raise them. this is what they had to model themselves after.
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for those who are already here, get your head out of where it's at and figure out what it is you need to do to get your life back on track. get your education, work on whatever you can work on to get yourself out of here. stay away from this. this is not the kind of life you need to be thinking about. >> i mean, i'm a really nice kid, man, if you really get to sit down and know me, but people probably think i'm a bad person because of things i do. they got to think about the things i do or why i did it because i don't got nobody minding for me. but i wish, wish i could get out of here earlier than i can. i wish everybody that got problems make it better for them. >> i think a lot of kids think this is what makes you cool and all that. this is not cool. there is nothing about living in a bathroom in a closet with another man that's cool.
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we were only 13, 16 at the time. hell, yeah. >> we know better now, huh? >> yeah. >> for blade and bennie reed, razor wire fences at wabash kept them in separate worlds. though they face 30 and 60-year sentences, they never stopped fighting for the chance to see each other again. today a face-to-face visit is their first in two years. >> my mom, dad and my sister come to visit me. usually at least once a month or so. that's good considering it's a
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2 1/2 hour drive up here. >> i've only had one visit, but i also had disciplinary. i lost my visits for disciplinary reasons. my six months is up. >> you still hear from our real mom and dad? >> i ain't heard from them over a year after that first couple of letters. i was expecting one now and then. after a while i know they ain't going to write. >> i expect that after time. people start falling off, you know what i mean? you got to make the best with what you got. do our time. do what we can to get out. >> yeah. >> very unbelievable for myself and my family. i miss my family and stuff.ç
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it's pretty hard. >> it was good seeing you. >> yeah. >> make sure you stay out of trouble. hope to see you again. >> hope to see you on the out. >> you'll be out before me. when you do, you know what i mean, get out, stay out. >> yep. >> all right. love you, too. stay out of trouble. tell mom and them i said hi. >> yeah. >> he seems like he's happy to see me to me. at the same time i see now, you know what i mean, it's my fault and stuff. i hope he forgives me in the long run and that he gets out one day.
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>> never would i thought i'd end up in a men's penitentiary, no. especially living ten years here. no. i feel like kids jump to this because they want to feel comfort or they just want to follow. >> i think a lot of kids think that this is where you get your credibility. they think this is what makes you cool and all that. this is not cool. there's nothing about living in a bathroom in a closet with another man that's cool. you don't get that many pç chances any more. they can't let this be their life. >> yeah, i wonder like every
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night what made my dad keep coming back to this prison, you know? so now that i'm 18, i like people to come to me and tell me what made him keep coming back, messing up and doing time, for what? and he could try to be a model. >> you woods? >> yes, sir. >> in my block, you don't really see what my day went try or how it is until you went to the real prison. >> aurulious woods will spend the next three years inside the plainfield correctional facility, alongside 1,600 adult offenders in an open-dorm setting. >> he's going to walk in that cell hose scared to death. i couldn't imagine going onto a dorm setting like that. this is an ugly world, you know? and your mind is just on overload constantly. it's mentally exhausting.
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>> fellows, let's grab your property. >> i very clearly, vividly remember those first few nights, all those sounds, the doors t%s yelling. it's going to be a difficult transition. >> since i've been in the game, i'm only 17. all of our gang violence and all by the gun. all i can say is, you know, do what you got to do to get home. there's nobody in here that loves you. nobody in here that cares for you, so get home. >> this is what's going to happen to you guys. take you over to receiving. going to secure your property. you get changed out of orange
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and put you in your khakis. >> i don't want to go through this again. i want to take care of my son and my family and stuff as opposed to -- this going to stop me personally. i'm going to get out and go to college and try to make something of myself. i ain't coming back in here again. i want to֍ get my gd and try t get home. ed and try to get home. \s squeezed
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