critics say it is about that, and an argument that court seemed to dismiss today was that. the government says that this state law interferes with federal law. but the state argues it has a disproportionate burden of illegal immigration because of what it calls lax enforcement. can the state take it into their own hands if they determine the feds aren't doing enough. the state writes debate, we won't know of court's decision until june. do remember that this and other key provision ests arizona immigration law have been on hold since soon after governor enacted in 2010. she was at the courthouse today. >> senate bill 1070 basically mirrors that law. all we are asking is that they work collectively with us to enforce the laws. very, very revealing today. i think that we will succeed.

>> immigration always a passionate fight in the border states, makes for great politics. but in washington, not to mention in new york, many view it as just that, a political football, thrown to score points and to accumulate power for various political interests. politics and passion meet face it face here on the dr show. inside court for today's argument, mike, what new information do you have that the rest of us don't? >> well, it looks like the supreme court is going to uphold by a bipartisan count, what you referred to earlier, that requires police to check immigration status of anyone they arrest or detain if there a reasonable suspicion of that pers person's status of an undocumented immigrant. the other big thing it s it looks like a bipartisan consensus on the court again to

keep banned or keep blocked the provisions of sb 1070 that criminalized undocumented immigrants seeking works or just existing in the state. so those are the preliminary points that you really can take from the court in the oral argument this morning. we ceil what happens when the opinion comes down bit end ever june. >> hip leado acosta, former border patrol agent, also joins us. hipilido, are you with us sh. >> yes i am. >> maybe's he's not. yes, he is. hi, there. what are we missing on this debate? in other words, illegal immigrants come to this country and they find work and they sometimes find good work and sometimes lousy work. we have war on drugs laid on top of it and all these issues. at end of the day, what were we missing when it comes to our relationship with immigrants,

period can be in this country and illegal immigrants specifically? >> well, let me just start off by saying that one of the things we are missing here is that the reason people keep tumming into our country and have for years is because of the lack of interior enforcement. we have increased border resources to make it harder to protect our country and that's been the correct thing to do. but over the years we have neglected to have any type of interior enforcement, and that magnet continued to draw immigrants, illegal immigrants, into the country. we have immigrants from across the southern border and millions that have come into the united states with visas issues from abroad that overstayed. and there hasn't been any type of enforcement action to make sure that people comply with their entry requirements. so what we have, as long as that magnet is here, i think that is more of an issue that continues to draw the people into the country in an illegal status. and of course, the border states

like arizona, have you know, frustrations are obvious by sb 1070 being passed by legislation in arizona. i have to agree that i think the court will go with upholding in that particular provision of police officers able to question the individuals in arizona. the thing that concerns me is the fact that are we ready for different type of legislation in an image state enforcing immigration law? i think that's one of the big concerns i have. is arizona prepared to do training, detention and removal of people they encounter or are they expecting a federal government respond when they have individuals in their custody? i think we have already seen that we have neglected the immigration issue. we have neglected immigration enforcement over the years. and i don't see the government increasing resources in arizona to respond every time they get called out by arizona police officers.

>> i said this to both of you. what perplexes me, because i disagree with hipolito's analysis of the border patrol. i believe that as long as all of our small businesses and individuals are willing to employ illegals, in fact have incentive to do so because have you less labor responsibility to them, you can abuse them, you don't have to provide health for them, pay them left money, restaurants, landscaping, agriculture, domestic service, that as long as those jobs exist, and as long as the government, instead of going to the immigrants and saying, where are you from, where are your papers? i've never understood if the government is so terribly concerned about all of the illegals infesting our country, it's horrible, horrible. hang on a second, why don't you just start enforcing small businesses and penalizing them or individuals when they hire

illegal immigrants because i can't imagine anybody will come to america if they can't find a job. >> and the federal policy by and large has been to go after employers, not employees. the court heard a case base owed not arizona law that went after employers, perhaps more intensely than federal law was doing and the court said that is a supplement an not preempted by federal law. and one of the reasons that the court may end up keeping blocked, the provision that criminalized undock emted immigrants trying to find work in arizona is because they might find that congress considered doing that, considered criminalizing employees seeking work, but instead went after employers. because they are going after employers alone, that could have occupied the field, congress contemplated, didn't do so, so arizona shouldn't be allowed to do so either. that the reason the court will take up should they end up keeping employee sanctions

blocked in arizona. >> and beyond the border for us an for your thoughts on employment market and incentive, as your book says, the point after shadow labor market, is it is cheap, i can abuse it an no one can hold me account for it and it makes my profit margins wider when i can hire and treat people that way. >> the thing that we have also had a need over the years where we didn't have any type of outlet where people could come into the country and work for temporary periods of time. i feel certain that many of the illegal immigrants that came to the country and had to stay here because they obtained employment brought family members into the out rather than returning. but let me point out, that it is not just small businesses that benefitted. you know, we have had large corporations, in 1in some cases

with thousands of employees with identity that didn't belong to them. during administration, one of the strategies is to audit companies. when the audit results are given to the companies, they are instructed to fire the individuals that are found to be using fraudulent identities but no enforcement action is taken. >> why is that? stop it. that's interesting. sorry to interrupt you, but why is no enforcement action taken? >> as i mention in my book, over the years, we have gone from early 2001 with two to 3 million undocumented mexicans in the united states to the present numbers estimated now to be 12 to 15 million people. so again, the problem has gotten so wide that the resources that are needed to be dedicated for this particular purpose are not being done. and i just don't see it being done in the near tu lead verse known over the years of

this situation, and leaders from both parties have just neglected to address the issue the way it should be addressed. >> i have to wrap this up. you believe it is addressable? there are ways to do this? >> well it was addressable before. now we have no choice but to address it. we have to take some type of action. the reason we are here right now is basically unofficial amnesty by not taking action. that's what has happened over the year. >> unofficial, unregulated amnesty, which is like secret unregulated money in politics. we have weird policy making culture right now in this country. i don't know whatyou. mark sacks, hipolito acosta. thank you. coming up on the dr show, newt's out and rnc declaring newt the

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>> thank. i will. but i won't beat you too bad. shake. [ laughter ] >> well, slow and steady does not win the race. as newt gingrich found out. this morning, he made it official with a the rest of us have known for weeks, if not months. the man's campaign for president of the united states, at least, is over. >> i think obviously that i would be a better candidate. but the objective fact is the voters didn't think that. >> newt is expected to officially endorse mitt romney. as for mitt we he is ratcheting up the rhetoric. take a listen. >> as i look around at the millions of americans without work. graduates who can't get a job. soldiers who return home from an unemployment line. it breaks my heart. this does not have to be. it's the result of failed leadership. and a faulty vision. >> last night while mitt romney

was taking a victory lap, president obama was slow jamming with jimmy fallon. >> now is not the time to make school more expensive for your young people. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ oh, yeah ♪ you should listen to the president ♪ ♪ or is as i like to call him the preezy of the united steezy ♪ >> our mega panel joins us. if nothing else, the president scores vastly higher than his opponent on likability. those clips tell you everything you need to know. >> right. every poll that we have seen from, at least the last year, last 12 months, have shown that president obama's approval -- likability rating is in the high 60s, low 70s, consistently. while his job approval rating is in the 40s.

meanwhile mitt romney has the reverse problem. democrats definitely don't like him. republicans are at best luke warm. but there are folks mainly conservatives who go, we don't like this guy. hence all this time it has taken for him to sew up the nomination. >> so rob, i want to you get out your crystal ball. walk me through an election in which we have a very attractive and carries mat ek and well educated president whose policies are of modest to middling reviews. then they run the gamut, right? then an opponent uninspiring 50 ways and may have policies that would provoke a more interesting debate. >> sure. >> and at end of of the kay, our schools, hospitals, energy sustainability were or dependency, depending on how you look at it, and consistency of air, water, criming with drug abuse, unlikely to be affected by what is discussed in this

debate. and time -- or is that unfair in. >> i'm not sure. i'm the half-full guy. i send it to think that, if you have two candidates who have basically pluses and minuses that maybe cancel each other out, that means you have to focus on policies and solutiones to the problems. again, i'm being optimistic. i hope that's the case. we are now in a position where the inevitablity is checked off for romney. it is, can you be likeable? if not likeable, can he be competent? i don't think that the worst kind of election race to see. >> and that's part of his argument. that you know, obama is likeable. but he has failed. he hasn't done -- >> it is the likability versus the economy. so it is going to be a very close run. fund manically, america is 51%, 49%. that speech last night was well krafrt crafted. he mentioned economy five times.

he was mentioning fairness, taking the narrative off of obama. it will be a very, very closely run race. >> don't you think him saying, obama is a great guy, his policy makes him more likeable? >> yes. >> i think we will see this thing accelerate in a way that i think is going to be quite good. >> and start to acknowledge and say listen, president obama is really smart, really likeable, really ep joyable. but his effectiveness, that's the campaign. >> yeah. >> and not they are not even saying effectiveness. they say, he is in over his head. >> i think that will back fire. because that suggests he is not qualified. where as i think from a personal standpoint, i would say, you're much better if you're going to talk about it, to talk about the policies and effectiveness. as opposed to the ambiance, which i think is fundamentally unfair. i think he is competent. i just don't think they have

done what they needed to do, in my opinion, for things like taxes and trade. >> with speeches like last night, for romney, he is in the running as long as he tones down the marionette type gaffs. >> russell brand, the subject of our next panel topic, not just because i'm a fan of the man and not just because he was in great britain addressing a very serious topic in front of the british parliament which is home government. but because his point of view on addiction is one that we agree with. take a listen. >> you arrested roughly 12 times -- >> it is rough, yes. >> is this now the drug of choice? for young people? >> i don't know because i'm not young enough any more. but i know that young people will always want to get high. >> excuse me. the message that, yes there is the fact. now the message as to how you deal with the fact that young people will always want it get

high, take a listen. >> for me, what's more significant, is the way that we socially regard the condition of addiction. it is something that i consider to be an illness and therefore more a health matter than a criminal or judicial matter. >> the argument for drug abuse as a health issue continues to gain momentum. we have seen again tremendous voice as the president of colombia, president of venezuela, president of mexico, all the people who are basically saying, we are incarcerating everybody, it is bankrupting us, it is not helping our communities. it is not helping our addicts. drug abuse is a problem. drug abuse needs to be dealt with as a public health issue, not as a criminal issue. whether russell brand is the best messenger for that message or not, is in the eye of the beholder. but is there any sense that that message or narrative is catching any traction? >> well, you know --

>> you're not a yes. you say -- >> i think so. you think about ten years ago, the issue is decriminalizing marijuana. >> wouldn't even talk about it on msnbc. >> no. but i agree there is patchy, and at times overenforcement. if you are a black male caught in new york city, you will have a different time than with marijuana. >> especially young black male. >> i don't even know if age matters. this is a problem, definitely a problem. but i do think generally speaking, i don't know how many state legislatures around the country have essentially legalized marijuana. >> colorado. >> the next step to think about it on a much bigger picture which is how do you treat it as health problem rather than legal. >> you can talk about it, think about it, in both areas. it is a crime problem, if you will. but also a treatment problem. here? new york city, mid town community court. you get brought in on a drug

charge. they find ways to divert you from going to jail. they make sure you good to treatment. they do all sorts of things. >> and more and more of that. >> right. if you can put that on a -- if can you scale that up, to the point where you then get people off the streets, into or off drugs and into treatment. >> it is healthier. >> i think we will hear more and more about this. what is interesting if you look at the statistics at the moment, a lot released by the dea is that 7 million americans are addicted to farm farm suitals. more people die from legal drugs rather than illegal drugges. >> widespread health problem. >> right. >> an widespread crime problem. >> exactly. if people were doing this because of prescribed medication, then you've got a chance as tackling the problem as a health issue. >> because you can include that umbrella. what about that, including legal pharmaceuticals with street drugs across the board as a

health issue, which is to say we would rather not have a country to that overconsumes a tremendous amount of mind altering chemicals, period. >> well, that's a good point about legal medications and things. today there is a story about how teens are getting high off of hand sanitizer. >> like russell said, kids will always want to get high. >> again it is an addiction problem, not a crime problem. >> they want to be clean. >> san a sanitary and high. >> that's because they are americans. europe wouldn't care. >> this discussion started at 4:20. >> that's because of high quality production. >> yeah. >> nice to see you, robert, jonathan, thank you very much. new article on facebook, pitting specialist against specialist. is facebook connecting us or separating us? whose corner will you be in? ♪ all by myself if you have yetr the quiet sneeze...

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formally at this point in the show, we would bring in our specialist and join in the mega panel. today is a little different. we have two specialist. an article entitled, is facebook making us lonely? we have discussed this at length both on air and off. we decided to pick his brain about it and brought him on as a specialist. then something interesting happened. a previous specialist reached out to us saying, we would like it talk about the piece in atlantic himself. so this is how you at home ended up with -- prafr the battle of the specialists. thank you, bell ringer. joining us, renowned columnist and author of the aformentioned atlanta article steve march along with eric clinenburg, who asked to come to dispute the asser tagss of the article.

the author of "going solo" and the surprising appeal of going along. steven, before we get into this, walk us tloo the basis of your analysis, yeah? >> the basis of my analysis is basic twloi movements that i identify as happening at the same time. one of them is this rise in loneliness, which i think is eric's biggest disagreement with me. and then the other is the incredible interconnectedness which we have. and i was just trying to understand from -- i'm not really a specialist. i'm more an essayist. i was trying to understand these two emotions as they seem to contradictory, yet happen over the same period of time. >> i read that and listen to that, and i can see what steven is talking about anecdotely where there is a sense of connection. at the same time an incredible sense of isolation, occurring

simultaneous simultaneously, because the connection is less belly to belly, and more in the ambient space. i'm interested to hear your thoughts, eric, to hear the anecdotal, and experience the rise of loneliness, connectivity, and causation coming into play. >> we have all these new ways to connect with each other and a big new technology, the internet, that transformed the way we connect. it is often the case that when the telephone, television, some new steed media comes in, everyone gets anxious and worried that we will be isolated. the first issue and we should clear this up in the beginning. there is not a single shred of evidence to find in the vast amount of literature on loneliness that says we are more lonely than ever today. so i think if we can agree on

that, then maybe we can have an interesting conversation about facebook and what it's done. >> i don't think we can agree on that. >> steven, talk to us about where you drew your analysis. >> you know, i came to this conclusion because -- i came to this idea because i was very fascinated by the question of loneliness. because people had been telling me about it, particularly doctor friends, tell meg this is a new crisis. the idea there is no social science evidence that loneliness is increasing in post war period, you know, i've read eric's book. and it begins with i'm flying in the face of these major studies. bowling alone. lonely crowd. there is this huge growth in the industry. if you look at, you know, i felt like i couldn't come to any other conclusion. because you know, the nursing literature is crammed with nurses saying, how do we deal with all the lonely people? medical literature is crammed with it. psychiatric literature is crammed with it. there is an overwhelming body of evidence. some is psychological, some not,

about a rising tide of loneliness and it is rising for a long time. >> steefr steven, i appreciate the idea that a lot of people say they experience loneliness. but think about those examples. lonely crowd written in 1950s, as was "man alone." these are statements about being alone then. bowling alone are yet the latest sentiment. but if you look at the books and read them, they talk about how lonely they are in metafors. so we need, i think to be ca careful about that. your own expert said there is no way this is true. so why don't we just say there are lots of people who are concerned about loneliness and go from there. >> well, what he said, now -- eric, let's just be clear. i found your book very fascinating. i genuinely recommend it to everyone. but there are 60 million

americans unhappy primarily because of loneliness. can we agree that is an epidemic of loneliness. >> for the interest of the audience, because i don't think -- i will be stunned in the two of you came to reconcile and agree on national television, as to whether you agree -- let me just try to take it in a different direction for the benefit of people watching, if that's okay. then you can argue about this off television. >> we will take it off stage. >> there is a broader issue with jody. we have a mutual friend. >> yes, perfect. >> set up dinner. >> regardless -- i'm not trying to be dismissive about it. i don't know how can i facilitate reconciliation in the brief few minutes we still have left together. >> fair enough. >> i'm sure there are other issues in this that go to the culture of social media, that regardless of what the current levels of quantifying

progressions and loneliness may be, that culture in social media is distinctly be a rent from normal social culture. my best example is seeing people go on to social media, especially men, on facebook, and they will look for attractive women. like a fishing trip. this one, this one, this one. no man would ever go into a bar and walk up to every person in the bar and say, will you be my friend, will you be my friend, will you be my friend. >> you go to different bars than me. >> i just feel like as long as kl tour in social media is indulgent of more self obsessed predatory be aerant self delusional behavior, which the entire social media universe is, that it is inherently less valuable than being belly to belly with another human being, where i feel i have a much more higher level of integrity and interaction. >> i agree with you. and i think everyone would agree with that.

the mistake we make it s that social media is substitute for face-to-face. when it is used well, and it can be used badly or well, when used well it is supplement. relationships on facebook and social media are thin. we don't really know our friends. all bets are off. norms are different. that makes us feel uncomfortable and distant from people -- >> doesn't that advance steve not's essay narrative. when we replace social media aeb use it as enhancement adds as eric suggests, then you run into social dysfunction. how is that for a thesis. >> i think eric and i are in complete agreement of social media. if you use it the way you should have ordinary social reactions, interreactions anyway, it is just the same. if you use it as replacement for face-to-face, in real life

contact, that's going to make you lonelier. but you know, it is a tool and up to us to choose how to use this tool. it does also correlate slightly -- well, quite sharply with narcissism. but that's a different point. >> but the narcissism correlation makes a ton of sense. and would seem there is valid room for research on the impact of loneliness for those who use social media at a certain access point at the expense of human interaction. >> let me envoc the research again here to say that best research we have so far on heavy users of social media, cell phones, it tells us that those heavy users are actually more likely than everyone else to spend time with people face-to-face. they are more likely to go into public and encounter strangers. there's a big study, lead author is keith hampton. another great social scientist, barry wellman, has been a lot of research on this. again, i understand the concern, when you are sitting in your bed with your spouse and they are on-line and not talking to you, that's a lonely bad feeling.

when you are driving with a taxi driver in manhattan and he is texting and doing something on social media, that's terrifying. but really, these things can be used for other purposes as well. >> absolutely. listen, i appreciate both of you. and having this conversation with us in public, and in a way that i think -- so this is the sort of conversation happening in a lot of places with a lot of folks. and i think folks are trying to figure out what is a healthy relationship with all of these new tools. so thank you, "the atlantic", by steven. i invite you to read them both. where is the most peaceful place it live in america? not here in new york city. what's the least peaceful place? the result of a new peace index and why it matters for our wallets. y're one of those folks who gets heartburn

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that better networks, like kick starter, where people are looking for things, and better communication, you saw how good the video quality is, to transfer the idea between people, equal solutions. i want it bring the guys behind the project and seizing modern tools to make it happen. before we get into the way you are doing this, let's talk about what you are doing. you guys have figured out a way, which one of you figured out a way to take the sun from above the earth to below will earth. who did this? did you this? what's with this. >> it he is essentially like this. you can use a system of optic to have sun light and channel it from a light pipe to another location and redistreb out it. in essence, you create a sky light. >> so we are on the third floor of 30 rockefeller center. can we hook these on the roof and pump sun light in? >> yes. totally feasible. tricky and probably expensive. >> these guys are rich. this is the perfect deal for you. so then the idea is to take this

technology, which in and of itself is profound, and then show off its capabilities in what would really be a disgusting and creepy environment, which is under the streets of new york city. fair? >> yeah. i think the vision is to create the world's first underground park. and we found this location underneath the streets of new york city. 60,000 square feet. and it is a former trolly terminal. the hope is to use this technology to bring some underground and have plants and trees and green space. >> so i want to talk to you about the mechanism you have chosen to develop this. so you have the technology and idea, this ambition to apply you made the decision not o go to, i don't know what you did before, but to go to bank or just traditional ways to develop these things. you two produced what i have, to me, is the gold standard. i mean this. if you are at hem and wondering how to communicate a

sophisticated idea with many moving parts and all these different things, look at this low line video on kick starter to understand how to communicate in the 21st century as a base plate. and you produce, how long was it 90 seconds? >> two minutes. >> 120 seconds. you were able to explain this whole thing and technology and use of money and what you are going to do with it. how it's going to work, and you right.le to raise the money. >> so basically what you are saying, is if you have a good 120 seconds of good video and kick ass technology that the capital market is more available than it's ever been. >> i think one important thing to note here, is because we are able to do this, we are not only able to raise the money but it provides us an avenue to reach so many people and actually have a lot of people involved so we can build a grass roots movement. >> how important is that? in other words, how important in the kick starter model and

communications model with high signal transfer and everything you have going for you, the decision to enroll people who are the most vested in it by self selection for giving you money to do this in east village. how important is that in founding those first followers? >> this campaign was incredible in a lot of ways. we had, we now have, you know, over 3,000 individuals who have raised their hands and said that they are interested in supporting us either a dollar, $5 or in some cases, many thousands of dollars of support. so here we have, now the, as james mentioned, beginning of a real movement and something we can take to, you know, our political leaders, take to other funders and say, we actually do have this growing level of support from our community. >> to giving your grandest ambition, if there is a movery that had the greatest application, if you scale this, underground parks across the world. what are we looking at here? >> there is actually 13 acres or something like that of unused space underground in new york city. i think a great many of them are

certainly good candidates for this kind of technology and this kind of views. it is an idea that is potentially scaleable. >> it can be brought outside of new york city as well. one of our backers found us from kick starter and he is in beijing and he is looking at things happening in his city. we have been approached by people from detroit to tirky to all over the world. >> i have to think the remote sky light, i mean, do you have a patent on that, i hope? i feel like the remote sky light. i want a remote sky light in every move of my house. who doesn't want that? >> right. >> is there a market? is that something that goes through your head? >> there are a lot of different ways to achieve it. as you know, there are a lot of potential uses for it so that is also something we are exploring. >> immediately what next for peem here, what might want to help, get involved, in public right now, how can people help you? >> there's a couple of ways. first of all we have a

month-long art exhibition of the technology in a gallery in lower east side. mark miller gallery. people can come and see that for the next couple weeks. >> that's up now? >> yes. it is up right now. we are also preparing for a full scale demonstration. we have taken over a warehouse for the month of september and we will install one of these things on roof and show people how the technology works and build sort of a small version of the park. we hope people in new york city and from around the world can see the technology up close. >> you have inspired me. from what i saw first, when i sought video. for all of the reasons i said. nature of how you communicated. the use of the modern sort of resources and knowledge of how people learn. and everybody that i've shown what you are doing to, which is a lot of people, i'm like, you got to see this thing on kick starter, are inspired. congratulations and keep it up.

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tris. he hid her from the pub lek and his wife. and it is not popular to defend edward for just about any reason. if you look at allegations even if proven true, were any laws broken in many experts say no. lying and adultery aren't usually illegal. he faces up to 30 years in prison for campaign finance violations. the case hinges on the idea that miss tris's money should have been counted as campaign spending, like yard signs. that claim was too much even for the national review which hunted edwards for years. the article came out for the prosecution saying since none of the money wasn't for campaign expenses, it is difficult to say why this would be a campaign violation. if they win on this case, think of what this means. candidates would bill their campaigns for even more personal spending. that means pour fund-raising and more big money politics and

campaignes with thousands of donors would worry about whether any of them were funneling money to mistresses 0r hair cuts. the edwards came would be officially against the law. but at the same time, much larger sums of money from the same donors to candidates super pacs be still allowed. what you see on camera now and you know who this from the papers everyday, is still totally legal. and think about it, every complaint about the risk of the edwards payments, from owing certain donors to total lack of transparency is happening on a far grander scale with the super pac spending. that the state of our campaign finance regulation. it remind me of what the writer, michael kinsly, once said. the scandal is not what illegal. the scandal is what is legal. and by the time the edwards trial is over, the government will have spent three years and hundreds of thousands of dollars investigating private spending on a mistress.

so look, we talk a lot about money on the dr show. and i think campaign finance regulations run into the problems when they target expenditures. the rules for how people spend and speak. what we need here is a totally different alternative. we need publicly funded campaignes. some politicians will be obsessed with sex, money and power. removing one distraction would be a start. dylan? >> do you think the political culture enjoys obsessing over sex, money and power? >> yes. >> and doesn't enjoy acknowledging the rot at the very root of the very corrupted -- >> yes. >> there is almost a benefit in scandalizing somebody's mistress because it is a rubbernecking distraction -- >> exactly. and the obsession over sex, just like the secret service scandal becomes something what is fun to entertain over, and we never get to the rm