tv The Dylan Ratigan Show MSNBC April 27, 2012 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT
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are 195. the bill is passed. >> seems a no-brainer, not to jack the tuitions on an ç overburdened debt-ridden youth population, but remember, we're dealing with a congress that just last year threatened to shut down the entire government rather than collaborate to solve anything. so if these guys are anything, they're consistent. the democrats want to pay for the rate extension, the kicking the can down the road of this particular persuasion, by cutting off big oil subsidies, particularly attractive. the republicans want to tap into the health care fund, mr. speaker. let it rip. >> the president in his budget called for reductions in spending in this slush fund. you may have already forgotten that several months ago you all voted to cut $4 billion out of the slush fund while we pass the payroll tax credit bill. vote no on this motion to recommit, vote yes on a final
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bill. let's send it over to the senate now! >> we get to the mega panel. equally righteous and profound in their own way and only a way that perhaps speaker boehner can ultimately exemplify. you are in the educational environment, you were an educator of the people of this nation. educate us. how are we to deal with two political parties that insist on presenting us with the edges of the symptoms of this sort of dysfunctional symptom and then want us to fight about whether we should cut oil subsidies or health care for a temporary fix for a student loan rate that completely ignores the underlying, out of control nature of both student financing for education and the need for meananfful overhaul in the way we learn, period? >> in terms of the student loan issue, it really takes presidential leadership. it would have been incumbent on mr. obama to suggest a funding
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mechanism that would have been somewhat acceptable to both sides. it's almost routine for the democrats to suggest funding something by cutting oil subsidies. the republicans vote no, and then the president gets to say, i'm for helping students, they're for helping oil companies. education, that's a much bigger problem. education is in as much trouble as health care. universities are bloated, they're too expensive, they're overpriced, they're terribly inefficient and poorly managed. >> krystal, as the mother of a young child, as tory himself serves as a future generation of this country, what would you like to see around the political debate of education that you're not seeing in any of this. i put that to you both as parents. >> first of all, regarding peter's point, i'd like to see what the president could have proposed that republicans would be jumping on board with. given it's an election year, given they've decided to pose
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him at every turn in some respect, it's hard for me to imagine what that might be. putting that aside, john walter has a great column today foc focusing on upping community colleges and the standard there today, because for most people, that is the best ladder into the middle class. you can start at primary school and go all the way up, the many issues that we have to face, but i do think that's one particular aspect that hasn't gotten a wholdç lot of attention. >> i recall being like the president in that it took me well into my late 20s until i was able to pay off my college loans, and that's a painful debt to have to deal with. i was fortunate enough to be able to work through my 20s. >> there are people 60 years old that still have student debt. >> that's unconscionable. there are so many people that come out of college, good degree, can't find a job. if education is the future of this country and we need to educate people in order to get them in order to compete with
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what's going on in china and other places, how can we politicize the cost of college? we have to be making college as less expensive as possible. it's crucial for the future of the nation. >> meanwhile, the technology that has just exploded into the world, the lives of everybody, is a nnihilating the cost of learning. it's in the opposite direction, peter maresi, to the cost of the very education we're theoretically supposed to be paying for. it's like we lost our minds. >> this is an example of what i was alluding to, is that universities have really failed to embrace the computer, the opportunity for education through that medium, and they've really seated it to these operations like the university of phoenix. we always think of the american
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federation of teachers as being one of the toughestç unions in america. no one resists change quite like a university professor does. >> well, listen, you want to start a reform coalition, professor? >> well, i'd love to, but when i talk about these things on campus, i'm considered to be somewhat of a dissident or, as kindly said, peter, too controversial. >> that's a common around this tv show. our students graduating with lots of debt. we've discussed it. little job prospects. there are, however, one very specific group of american corporations that are hiring like crazy. i'm referring to our biggest multi-national corporations, the ones that most benefit from rigged trades, rigged taxes, rigged banking, $35 million in
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the banks, subsidized tax code manipulative corporations are hiring people faster than anyone right now. if you want one of those tax code, manipulated, trade rigged jobs, it's overseas. we should have redone our 30 million jobs tour for jobs not necessarily in america. >> can we call them american companies when they are multi-national? doesn't that challenge that definition? >> the definition of an american company forç legal purposes wod be its point of domicile, tax paying. don't get crazy, toure. your suggestion that i hire an american for an american company
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is outrageous. >> when you hire a national, it's not necessarily in your interest to do anything for americans, right? when big auto needed detroit to do good so we could do good for detroit, right? the corporation must do good for a nation that it's a part of. when you're a multi-national, it doesn't matter to you. >> it's the opposite. you want to do the pick-off. if you look, peter, at all the policies, and all the railing me really going back to 2008 have done. steel on wheels, 30 million jobs, all this nonsense, the banking crisis which at this point is overly covered to the point of disgust, is it a coincidence that the largest companies that benefit the most from the distorted government policy are the ones hiring the most people? >> it's absolutely not a coincidence. they're responding in the beginning to the incentives that were created by these foolish trade policies. but now they're invested in
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them. i have an awful lot of trouble getting any support in detroit among the detroit 3 for doing something about china's currency. why? they're making money in china and they're sourcing parts in china. and i say to them, you complain about your currency. and they say, china is not selling us cards. sooner or later, china willç b and then what are you going to do then? >> it sounds almost like an addictive scenario where you're saying using this makes my life better whereas ultimately using this will end your life. go ahead, krystal. >> it's not an accident that they benefit from these rules. they write these rules, whether it's at the state level or federal level. they write the rules, so of course they benefit from it. one aspect of this that hasn't been covered so much is one of the reasons they have incentive to move jobs overseas and create jobs overseas is because our
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health care coverage is so high that when you hire workers here, you have to pay such a larger amount. that impacts our abilities to attract jobs here also, so that's something we can't take our eye off the ball on. >> i'm not going to talk about this anymore, it's just going to irritate me. peter, it's a pleasure, krystal, you're staying -- everybody is staying. coming up on the d.r. show, a two-part look at race, prisons, american culture and america's relationship with young, black men in this country going back to the beginning of this country's founder. plus, what we don't get to see, i can't let suppliers cook up a steam to get your vote. all cried out. it turns out this baseball tape -- you remember it. we talked about it -- well, it
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this. look, to win in politics, you have got to be the person who is willing to bring a gun to a knife fight. >> fiction stranger than reality, rules for lesser of two evils voting? is that what the policy debate looks like when the objective is simply to annihilate your opponent and offer no solutions? well, that was actor rob lowe with the real pep talk as he used to give family and friends even remotely entertaining entering the theatre of politics. that was the culture. the new film "knife fight" holds back the kucurtain on this culte in the world of political operatives, shining a light on vet people who are paid not to be seen. those who are willing to do whatever it takes to bring that knife or gun to that knife fight to get their candidate elected. the filmç premiered this week the tribeca film festival just
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down the block. for some reason, i wasn't invited. i'll sfart rigtart right in the. what's your goal? this is a huge success and people get the message. what message have they received and what are they doing? >> the idea behind this film was really to bring the room into the room. the room where the people don't go, the room where they're tweeting, the room where decisions are made. what i hope people will see is we have elected officials who need to see the game the way it's being played, but they're doing for a higher purpose at the end of the day. sometimes we do have to take low blows to achieve the most noble ends you hope for. in our film, we have folks who are really standing for important values and important issues, but they have to play the game the way the game is played. >> but by definition, bill, once you change from your very values you may very well believe and aspire to, when you accept the
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culture that you speak of, by definition do you not compromise your ability, however much your ego might like to believe otherwise? >> well, you have a lot more power when you're actually in office as opposed to sitting on the sidelines wishing you were in office. so our film is based on the idea that if you want to get elected, you better have a guy like chris hayne in the room with you. it doesn't mean you're a bad person, it just means you have some ideas. politics have influence over our lives. do you want more kindergarten teachers or moreç missiles, an if you want people who believe in your values, you should have a guy like chris hayne with you. >> krystal, you ran for the congress, i suspect, on this very thesis, and in your personal assessment of the logic of these gentlemen and obvious nil questions you may have for
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them. would you hire them for your next campaign? >> watching that clip sort of sends -- it gives me a very weird feeling because it brings back lots of memories for me, especially having the female o protagonist which you put in there. but chris, you saw some of the nastiest underbelly of politics possible, and you were right in there. do you have any regrets yourself, to the extent you can have regrets, do you have any regrets about any actions you took or any way you handled a situation? >> first of all, it's funny you mentioned the chills that you got. i have a number of political folks that saw the film and they say they sort of suffered from poe post-traumatic stress disorder when they saw it, so you're not alone. i have been blessed to work with some great people, and in some small way, helped them get reelected or helped them stay in office. i think they have gone on to do enormously positive things for the country and for the world. i sleep very well at night, and
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my role is sort of the mohammad ali role, right? i was the counterpuncher. mohammad ali became a great counterpuncher. for example, i worked forç bil clinton, and there was people targeting him because they couldn't beat him at the ballot box, so they wanted to beat him at the jury box. they wanted to use a special prosecutor to go after him. they were focused on trying to help who i thought was a very goodman, trying to do very good things for the country, so i slept very well at night. >> you were the mohammad ali? >> that's probably an exaggeration. >> is the game being played in the same way the gun to a knife fight analogy on both sides of the aisle, and since you bring in gender with your female candidate, is it being played in the same way by male candidates and female candidates where you see differences in the way that
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people are playing the game based on where they're coming from? >> good question. in the movie there is a line by the rob lowe character, i am playing to win. if you're playing to win football or baseball, it's a game as a t spo democrat or a republican srikes interesting. you talk about bringing a gun to a knife fight. there is a big scandal of coaches putting bountys on players to try to smash the head, take the head off, remove the body parts kind of thing, which, in our sports culture, we find unacceptable to the point that when we at least discover it, we pretend to do something about it and may actually do something about it. i don't see that in politics. in other words, in politics, it says, there are no rules. there are no çrefs. the refs are for sale. this is not sports, this is not the nfl, this is not the nba,
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this is anything goes. and i would ask both of you to the extent that you believe the anything goes philosophy is a necessary evil to do good. give me an example of another professional environment, whether it's an engineering environment, a medical ward, a surgery environment, civil engineering where aaffording a culture, while completely ignoring the root problem, where ignoring the problem you're trying to solve works. you see my point. >> it's a great point. you go through medical school and you may not be trying to annihilate someone, but those students are put through some -- >> i'm not talking about medical school. i'm talking about i'm in the o.r. i've got your chest open. bad-mouthing toure's children is not going to get -- >> running for the presidency is
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the one where people can tell whether you can do the job. if you're sitting across a table from vladmir putin and you can't handle a campaign back and forth? >> but our schools are collapsing, our tuition is overpriced, and we have a president who has been effective in that reform, and an opponent who is against that sort of thing, andç what i'm saying is the culture you're talking about leads to miserable outcomes. garbage in, garbage out. >> i get that point, and we explore that a little bit in the film. we have a moment where a candidate says, we can't attack that person. they're a civilian. we should be talking about this issue and this issue. let me get back to the core where i do think at the end of the day, the process works because it extrapolates character. >> if you talk to people who have no money, have no hospital,
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have no health care, have violence in our communities, have a corrupt government, then it's not working. it may be working for the people in power, and it may be work foworking for a given political group. >> it works for the people who we're voting for, where it breaks down is we're in a perpetual cycle where the back and forth never ends. that doesn't happen anymore. >> not only that, the character war is not, my character is good. i'm a scumbag and you're a bigger scumbag. >> lincoln, douglas, that hasn't changed. >> i know it hasn't, but the space networking theory has changed and it has vastly surpassed the corruption. thank you for enjoying the bay with me and congratulations on
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the film. bill, congrats to you as well. thanks to the mega panel, and straight ahead -- >> now, you startç using your head. that bat better be above your ass! [ crying ] >> are you crying? >> talk about learning the hard way. a little afternoon emotion for you there in the t-story. his baseball got snatched but given away by his parents. what happened with this whole thing? we're back with some developments. hi, i'm phil mickelson. i've been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness,
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why a given coach calls a certain play at a certain time, or why a player shoots or makes the decision to throw a pass. perhaps why a pitcher throws a curve or a fastball. you simply cannot tell why a grown woman would steal a baseball from a toddler from the videotape. well, today we found out that young cameron shorks may have actually been in the middle of learning an important life lesson from their parents. they said the couple did -- i repeat -- did offer to give cameron the ball, but the parents on his behalf declined. >> he's three, so we're kind of at that stage where he thinks he gets everything and anything. so we're trying to teach him, you know, sometimes you don't get what you want and you just move on and learn from it and keep going. >> given that i, sportscaster biff ratigan, have no counselor.
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i have to go to the hot lineç evaluate this parenting behavior. no, they said the kid simply can't have everything he wants, and if he needs to be humiliated on national television at a baseball game, so be it. what say you? >> what's shaking, my brother? >> is this a way to solve america's problems? is this a way to raise our children, noah? >> caller: there's no age too early to learn about humiliation. i take cues from crystal and kyle, cameron's parents. i think they handled this whole thing terrifically. >> would you suggest to others as it is the baseball season that as their youngsters perhaps come into proximity tie given baseball that we take a cue from cameron's parents and look at every baseball in the stands as a teaching opportunity to remove that ball from a given youngster such that we can teach a lesson. >> caller: i would take every moment as a teaching
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opportunity. not only did they teach cameron about not getting what you want all the time, but i think they gave an important lesson to this newly married couple about how to negotiate a crisis. >> what do you mean? >> caller: well, they were incredibly graceful, going out of their way on the today show to say they didn't think this couple meant anything by this as they got caught up in the moment. i think they were a bit blinded by love. it does say something about our inability to really look at what's going on around us in our environment. it took a while for them to notice the child crying two inches away from them. >> which has got to tell you something aboutç something. >> caller: it certainly tells you something about something. it tells you that we exist within our environment and we are not an island, and our ability to be successful is to be able to navigate that environment. had this woman, live on national television, taken that baseball while the child cameron was
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crying and just thrown it to the kid, she would have been a national hero. >> all right. listen, noah, thank you for clarifying some vagueryes as to, you know -- well, what we could learn from that situation. as it turns out, no one is losing sleep over this whole entire thing, not even young cameron. according to his parents, the toddler slept with his special souvenir wednesday night. his own baseball. i'm hitting the showers. ratigan is back after this. we're here at walmart with the burtons, who love movies.
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well, a time to heal here on the d.r. show. we have been collaborating with others who are seeking to change the very culture of the relationship of young black men in this country and the rest of this country. as comfortable as this conversation is for many, refusing to have it has far too dangerous a consequence to not.
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>> he struck me across the face real hard with a billy club. i was scared. i was scared for my life. >> police say the man, 25-year-old rodney king, was involved in a high-speed chase and wanted as a parole violator. >> it was a traffic violation. how come they couldn't arrest him and give him some kind of fine or something? why did they have to beat him up like that? >> it seems as though they were taking turns beating him, great big, all whiteç police officer. >> reporter: in the case of lawima, an african immigrant, said he was beaten and brutalized by police. >> he's upset, and by the wrongs he committed, he tried to right the day by pleading guilty. >> it sounds to me like excessive force was used. >> not guilty!
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>> drop all charges! >> to the adult family for the tragedy. >> the sanford police department did a full and thorough investigation from the beginning, george zimmerman would have been locked up from day one and there wouldn't have been such a huge public outcry for the arrest. >> we need to challenge income and equality, economic injustice. >> so many of the old forms of discrimination that we supposedly left behind during the jim crow era are suddenly legal again once you've been branded a felon.
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>> that is an ongoing problem, that cycle in another jail. and we found it's not helpful in terms of eliminating çcrime. in fact, it's the core of crime. >> none of us want you dead or locked up. there are a couple of things you're doing that has to stop. and we want to engage with you so that we don't have to bury you and we don't have to lock you up. >> you've got to involve the participants, you've got to involve people in the community. we're going to build this movement and we're going to turn this situation around from the bottom up. >> and here with us now, the man who was speaking about this long before any of us would even admit it was a conversation that
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needed to be had. he worked side by side with mlk, helped organize the million man march and is now ceo and chairman of the summit action network. along with us and dr. ben chavis, dr. porter and a common tart who has been in the front of all those cases i have highlighted, but says any time it happened, we as a nation failed to get to the underlying reasons that would create a culture that would even lead to this. and finally, the man who has been among a small group of americans achieving stunning results. you saw the 74% reduction in shooting, you saw the 55% reduction in national, 77% in ji! point. david kennedy is the man who is long past blaming people for this problem and long ago working to heal the most acute symptoms behind all of this, most notably shooting one
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another with guns. he is co-chair for national network of communities. he is also author of "don't shoot," an expansion of the don't shoot movement in this country. dr. chavis, what is the opportunity that we all have at this point in this movement to heal this relationship? >> well, mr. ratigan, i think we not only have an opportunity, we have a responsibility. 2012 is not only the time for national elections -- of course, we need to get money out of the politics -- but in truth, our country, america, needs to do some soul searching. i think that in order to heal, you have to have a desire to heal. i think after the clip that you showed, i know it's 20 years since rodney king, the trayvon martin case, we could go on and on, but we must not see these cases as isolated incidents.
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they're all connected. i'm very pleased to be back on the show with david and jamie and with you so we can have this discussion. we have to be responsible participants in our democracy. there's a lot that's wrong, but i come again on this show, ratigan, to say that i'm somewhat optimistic. because the young people in this country -- at the top of the show, you were talking about student loans. look, man, we have to makeç su our young people can afford to go to school, get the best education. this is not a question of garbage in, garbage out. this is a question of quality in, quality out. that's why i'm working on on-line education right now where there is a lot of spus across the country. i want you to know we need to do something about what's happening to black males, but not just black males, to all the people in this country who will be discriminated against because of race, because of skin color or because of some cultural distinction that makes people
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want to take your life. >> jamie, you spend meaningful portions of your television career on tv being asked your opinion about a given incident. i don't want to hear your opinion on an incident, i want to hear your opinion on culture that continues to bear out incidents like this, like toxic waste. >> right, right. and i want to thank you for having this conversation, because this, dylan, is the conversation we need to have. dr. chavis just said something critically important. this is not -- and so have you. this is not about a single incident, this is not about a single case. all of these cases in that beautiful piece you just aired, they're all linked, and they're linked to so many other cases that you did not have time to go over. countless cases that we all know, going all the way back to emmettville and before. this is a story that is part of
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a unique fabric of our american history, and it's a conversatioç that we as americans refuse to have, because as you said at the beginning of the segment, dylan, we're uncomfortable having it, and it is the story of race and racism and race relations in america. and for whatever reason, we don't want to have that conversation honestly in america about why, although we have a population of 12% of african-americans in america, the prison population is at 35% african-americans, about the public school system in america, about what you were just talking about, student loans and education. it's not just about trayvon martin, it is about that entire line of cases. it's not just about violence against black males or black people in america, it's about all of the social services and social systems that are broken down. dylan, it is about that contract in america that we talked about, you and i weeks ago -- i think it was four weeks ago -- that contract that was broken hundreds of years ago if,
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indeed, it ever existed in america. all men are created equal, dylan. when those words were written by our founders, they did not contemplate black men. because at that time, the black man, the black person, we were not full people in the eyes of our founders, and we have never fully grappled with that reality honestly. and until we do, these cases will continue to happen. >> david kennedy is the person behind the statistics that really prove that if you get past blaming people and trying to figure out whosening and act the root of the issue, which is, inç your case, shooting one another that you can get numbers like this. what do we need to know, what do we need to change about the way we think about these problems, david, to even get to the front door of the type of work that you're doing? >> we need to understand, and
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jamie nailed it. white folks look at these incidents as incidents. black communities and minority communities look at them and they see history. and white folks attack what happened this time, and the community says, why does this always happen? why do you always do this to us? and that's a relationship, it's not about this moment. it's about the relationship and the work that i do between especially law enforcement in the community and law enforcement in the guys on the street and the community in the guys on the street. what you discover, if you're circulating in those worlds, is that each of those worlds has a terrible story about the other, so jamie told one story about white america. my narcotics cops look at the guys on the corner and think they're socio papaths, then the
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look at the guys who don't care what's going on, and it turns out you do almost a post apartheid reconciliation. you can say, we can't do anything about that history, but none of us like what's going on, none of us want to keep on doing this, we have to find a way to move forward. again, on the stuff that i work on, which is people carrying guns, people taking over public space and selling drugs, the cops don't like it, the neighborhood doesn't like it. it turns out the guys on the corner don't like it, and you can do reconciliation work. we are working in communities that hate the police, that won't snitch, that won't testify, and three months after we start this kind of brokering process, they're in the same place, they want the same thing. the drug markets are going away, the guys with the guns have calmed down. it's amazing. >> we're going to take a break.
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welcome back to talk about how we take the little oasis of light represented by the work of someone like david kennedy and expand it with the resources of so many who are invested in this problem. we're back on how you and me can work to bring these profound solutions to a piece of our very own history, right after this. a new belt. some nylons. and what girl wouldn't need new shoes? we talked about getting a diamond. but with all the thank you points i've been earning... ♪ ...i flew us to the rock i really had in mind. ♪ [ male announcer ] the citi thank you card. earn points you can use for travel on any airline, with no blackout dates. and then treats day after day... forwho gets heartburnline, well, shoot, that's like checking on your burgers after they're burnt! [ male announcer ] treat your frequent heartburn
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we're back with our panel. say what you were just saying. >> i've been doing this for a long time. and you start to see these weird symmetries. the light bulb went off. i hang out with narcotics cops and they hang out with crack dealers, and they say they do the same thingç over and over again, it doesn't work for them, they keep on doing it. they're sociopaths. then i go to my angry friends in the black neighborhoods, and they're locking them up and lock thirg kids up, and they say, they're doing it over and over and over again. it doesn't work. they're racist predators. >> you said the three types of crime are what, and you also explained to me we are scientifically try to correct this. >> it is high rates of gun
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violence, it is public space lost to drug markets, and it is people getting arrested over and over and over again and failing and incarceration and supervise and going back to prison. and we know if you sit the drug groups down that do the shooting, you can get them to stop. if you sit the drug dealers down and tell them that they can't sell drugs in public anymore, they have to do it the way the white kids do the suburbs, they'll stop. and judge allman in hawaii has shown that if you surround supervisees with structure, they'll behave. >> dr. davis, how do people get involved? how do people help you? how do people provide more support and really escalate the temperature in this debate in a way that's constructive? >> dylan, i'm going to thank you. this is continued discussion. during the çbreak, while my twitter was going off, people
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are very angry about some of the things we're discussing. we need to channel anger into a constructive mode .o. we need a movement to transform our democracy, to get money out of politics, to stop the mass incarceration and stop all the mass discrimination that's going on. if dr. king were alive today, he would encourage us to work together. i think david said something very important about building relationships. let's continue to work together. let's continue to speak out together. and let's roll up our sleeves and get in these communities and make a real difference. >> jamie, how do you reconcile the emotion? i think everybody feels, to varying degrees, that typically leads to both resentment and frustration. how do you take that type of despair that goes unresolved and convert it into some form of action that allows you to feel that you are at least turning
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this pain into something of value? >> well, i like the word that dr. chavis just used and has used in many of his blogs on the trayvon martin case: channel. channel your emotions, channel your action and your anger. as in many of the cases, dylan, that i've covered, whites and blacks do see the cases differently. 75% of blacks and latinos think this was all about race, and only 33% of whites think this was about race. david is exactly right. this is about relationships.ç relationships can always be rebuilt. we can fix this, it's just about a conversation, dylan, one that you're starting here. >> it's a privilege to have the opportunity to do it with you all, and we, of course, thank you at nbc to give us a platform to do so in public. david kennedy, here you go. he says we do not need new resources. we don't need more money, we
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simply need help in our cities knowing how to do this. david offers that help. check out his materials. if you want to learn more about the effort, we have work of david's work on dyl dylanratigan.com. google his name, you'll find it. we'll post this as well on all our social media, as i'm sure jamie and others will as well. either way, let's get the word out. we'll return right after this. on every purchase, every day! here's my spark card. and here's your wool. why settle for less? great businesses deserve the most rewards! the spiked heels are working. wow! who are you wearing? uhhh, his cousin. [ male announcer ] the spark business card from capital one. choose unlimited rewards with double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day! wait! your boa. what's in your wallet?
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in that it has a truth serum aspect. it can bring out the real you. there are things people are afraid to say to people's faces because of a natural aversion afraid of hurting people's feelings and afraid of getting attacked. you stay polite, i'll stay polite, we're good. but on line, this tacit agreement is broken. they're wrapped in an nimty distanced from society which you're relating to via the ç buffer of a computer program, then people say things they would never have the nerve to say to their face. i like to call it the courage of the computer. wednesday night, right winger joel ward, one of the 28 black players in the nhl scored a serious winning goal to defeat the boston bruins. what followed was a barrage of racist tweets. the bruins organization said it
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was very disappointed and the classic ignorant reviews are no expression of the team which they may not know they signed the league's first black player in 1958. we could say this is a boston issue. boston is notorious for illegal history. i grew up in boston and the amount of racism i faced there in the '70s and '80s combined was less than i encountered on twitter last week. people call me the n word or some other slur, some people are making up accounts just to send out racist tweets. there was a similar barrage of racist tweets about "the hunger games." then there's a girl who puts on her racial display repeatedly. i could go on. these corrode the bonds of
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society, because racism is a very real part of the world. they can make you certain these ideas exist in the heads of some of the very people you encounter in the real world, people who might be smiling right at you. and when we lack á other's basic humanity, we could have no chance at interracial understanding. i find it extremely valuable from a soesh logical perspective that social media provides us with aspect of what people really think. we need to know these ideas remain prevalent. these racial tweets are as easy to flick away as a gnat, but they are a constant reminder that there is sill a significant amount of racism flowing through the mind of young america, which we have been told is supposed to be color blind. >> should we be thinking of social media almost more as socially dooeviant media? >> so the social behavior that's exhibited in the digital universe is not very social? >> no
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