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three of those are in serious condition. this happened outside busch stadium where fans were celebrating the cardinals wins over the milwaukee brewers. >> and the stars are descending upon dc for the correspondents dinner. you can watch that here on msnbc at 10:00 p.m. now back to "lockup." due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. msnbc takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> what is it? what is it? >> a fight. >> when our crews go behind prison walls, we know always to expect the unexpected. we've seen bloody assaults. >> we got another cut up here, guys. >> inmate rage. >> we will not negotiate with terrorists!
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>> now, some of the most memorable, unexpected moments we've encountered inside america's prisons. >> we send our producers and crews inside prisons. their job is to be objective observers. but in the first week of filming inside limon correction facility in colorado, something unusual happened. we inadvertently became part of the story we were covering. >> why is everybody getting agitated? we were in ad seg, administrative segregation, the prison within a prison. we started hearing inmates screaming out things and i started to hear them talking about cho-mos, which are sex offenders and then mayhem erupted.
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[ bleep ] >> i believe he threw a liquid substance under the door that smelled somewhat suspicious and we're going to report that. >> jonathan hall, serving 40 years for murder, was one of the first inmates to make it clear we weren't welcome in administrative segregation. >> unless he does calm down and follow our rules and orders, he'll be cell extracted. >> inmate hall won't calm down. so they call in the special response team. and they suit up in their gear. in these situations, when we want to film it, they always have us suit up as well. >> if he doesn't comply at that point, we'll introduce o.c. >> you got it?
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>> uh-huh. >> inmate hall, come to the door and cuff up. >> inmate hall, come to the door and cuff up. if you do not cuff up, we will introduce chemical agents. are you going to comply? >> introduce o.c. >> hall has covered his food port and window with a mattress. but the special response team knocks it down and fires a couple of short bursts of o.c. gas. >> hall, you're going to be all right, all right? listen to my orders, okay? >> i can't. >> i need you to get up on your knees. come on, help us out. >> ahhh!
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>> shooting an extraction wearing a gas mask is pretty difficult. you're kept a certain distance from the view finder. the seal is compromised a bit. so there is some of the gas that leaks in. eyes are watering a bit. but that's just part of it. we go in there and do the best we can to show what's going on. >> what's going on with these [ bleep ]? i need fresh air. i can't breathe. >> you're all right, hall. >> so that was quite a first day. the next day we had to go back into ad seg to continue doing our interviews and one of the inmates we were going to interview was michael gill. one of the first things he
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shared with us is that on the streets, he was a professional wrestler. >> i do what you see on tv, like wwe. but i do -- i do it off camera most of the time. and at smaller arenas. mainly around kansas, colorado, iowa, stuff like that. >> what's your name? >> my wrestling name? bud dubey. it was a stoner character. >> gill had just finished explaining that he was currently at limon on a parole violation when the interview was interrupted by a commotion on the ad seg tier. >> that's crazy. what's that noise? >> yeah, i'm curious, too. i can hear water running and we had an officer in the room with us that was doing our security and i asked him, what's going on? when he opened the door, you just heard this cascading water.
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>> what happened? >> they flooded the tier. >> it's awesome. >> you better go get that. >> i walked out of the interview room and was shocked to see water cascading down from the top tier down onto the floor. i'd never seen anything like that in my life in a prison. >> what happened? >> what did you do, did you do this? >> i didn't do nothing. >> what happened? >> i have no idea. >> what does it look like happened? >> i'm not even going to say nothing with that door opened. >> in the midst of this crazy scene, the officers were taking michael gill back to his cell, at which point he just started cracking jokes with the staff members. >> if you let me see the key, i'll do the rest. oh, i guess that's real cool. thanks for having faith in me.
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>> i have faith that you'll try and escape. >> see? >> you're crazy, sarge. >> after following gill to his cell, our crew is taken to the source of the flood. george graph, serving three years for motor vehicle theft, started the flood by overflowing his toilet. >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> pull your seat away there, please. >> [ bleep ]. >> i'm sorry? >> [ bleep ]. >> why don't you -- >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> are you flooding out here or what? >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> you know it's not hurting my feelings.
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>> then, jonathan hall, the inmate extracted the day before, >> then, jonathan hall, the inmate extracted the day before, >> in every prison, filming in ad seg is a vital component to telling these stories. because of all this commotion, the warden comes up and says we can't film there anymore. >> we had two offenders act out for the camera crew, to put a show on for the camera crew. we've asked the camera crew to stop filming in segregation in order to calm these guys down. from this point on we'll assess whether we'll allow the camera crew to come back in to segregation. >> the next day, we learned more about the incident from another inmate, who had insights to share.
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. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> violence can erupt at any moment. during our extended stay shoot in indiana prison, we walked into one of the bloodiest encounte encounters. >> we were film being in one of the housing units and we heard call come over the radio. instantly the staff started running. we picked up our gear and ran with them. what is it? what is it? >> a fight. >> there was just a chaotic scene. by the time we got there, they were already pulling people out
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who were coming back from chow and they were trying to find a victim of what we thought at the time was a fight. >> i don't know who was involved. >> was he involved? >> i don't know. i know. i just told these guys to hold up. >> there's blood all over here. where is the guy that got stabbed? >> immediately it just became a large crime scene. >> looking for a long haired white guy that got to main street. >> i looked over and saw our field producer take off and she had a little camera she was filming with. i didn't see who she was filming but i saw her make her way to many infirmary. >> i saw a man walking towards me and i realized it was a victim for only one reason, there was blood on his shirt. i saw blood drops so i just started to follow him into the medical building. >> where you want me? >> i was a little shocked because every time they would remove another article of his
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clothing, there was a bigger and deeper gash. but the bizarre thing about it was all he was concerned about was his tennis shoes. >> hey, don't throw them away. they're brand spanking new. can you put them in a bag, please. >> my neck. >> okay, we got another cut up here, guys. >> how bad? is this worse than this? >> no. >> we need to get him on the gurney, though, get him up front. >> the fact that the wounds were so graphic that they actually had to be blurred, i think it was best for all. they were just some of the worst wounds i've ever seen. >> we just have to keep it covered up. >> okay, want to go for a ride? >> the victim, pat ellerman,
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serving 40 years for attempted murder, spent two weeks at a local hospital before returning to prison. his attacker, michael ray stafford, was found guilty of the stabbing at a disciplinary hearing and received extra time in the prison's segregation unit but no criminal charges were filed against him because ellerman refused to cooperate with the investigators. we caught up with ellerman on the day he returned to general population. >> after pat recovered from his injuries and we saw him back out on the yard, again one of the first comments he made was about his shoes. >> the blood on my shoes, that's why i stopped fighting because i seen blood on my shoes. >> it's indicative actually of prison life. you have so few personal items and you certainly don't have very many things that are brand new. these shoes were new. they were a symbol of him having some kind of success or look, if you will, as a convict in prison and he wanted to keep them as pristine as possible, even
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during this horrific situation. is this the end of it? >> no. if i ever see him again, i can't say nothing. of course i can't say nothing. if i say no, i'm going to the hole. the guards ain't going to want to hear that i'm going to kill this guy next time i see him. i can't have him coming up behind me thinking i'm going to get him and doing this again just because he's thinking i'm going to get him back, he's going to want to jump first. but i'm not going to. i can't tell you i'm going to because i'll be in seg. i'm not mad at the guy. if more people would do what he did instead of this poking and running, this would be a different prison. i'm not mad at this guy. >> are you justifying -- >> no, but he did what he thought he had to do. so it could have been a lot worse. and i'm sort of impressed that he went that far. he could have cut me and ran.
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>> this one alone. >> the throat. >> that was very close to the carotid artery. >> yeah. would have been my ticket out. >> coming up -- >> is it time for you to leave? >> an inmate struggles with reality before making a heart breaking realization. this is an rc robotic claw. my high school science teacher made me what i am today. our science teacher helped us build it. ♪ now i'm a geologist at chevron, and i get to help science teachers. it has four servo motors and a wireless microcontroller. over the last three years we've put nearly 100 million dollars into american education. that's thousands of kids learning to love science. ♪ isn't that cool? and that's pretty cool. ♪
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correctional officers and lock up camera crews share something in common. they never know moment to moment what they might encounter behind prison walls. but the unexpected events we cover in prison are not always violent. >> inside, inside. close the door. >> some times they're just heartbreaking. during our initial stop at indiana state prison. our main goal was to get familiar with the prison prior to beginning formal pro ducts. but when we toured the chronic care unit which houses mentally ill inmates we walked on a quiet drama. >> we were there for our scout
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week which means we didn't even have a sound guy with us. but when we came upon this scene we knew we had to roll. >> we came upon this inmate, michael steel, who was sitting outside his cell with his items all packed up. he was convinced he was going home that day. and was becoming a problem for the prison because nobody could dissuade him from this notion. >> i've been in prison since november 3, 1988 for a crime that i was charged with and i'm not guilty of. >> okay. what is going on today? i'm trying to leave prison. >> is it time for you to leave? >> my prison time has expired. >> so what are you doing just sitting here waiting for what? awe to be released from prison. >> how long have you been waiting here? >> about 14 minutes.
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>> in reality, michael steel was nowhere his prison release date. he is serving 110 years for murder and attempted murder. >> which one of these cells was yours? >> that one was mine. >> where did you sleep at night when you were here? did you sleep in one of these cells when you were here? >> the more i asked for details about him leaving, he started to shuttle down. it was almost as if i was breaking his belief system. the staff then started to move in and they were making it very clear to him that he was going to have to comply and go back into his cell. >> come on in.
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>> i need you to go into your cell at this time. we've all been standing around long enough. >> once he was surrounded by all the staff members, everything just kind of fell apart for him. and he brock down sobbing. and he broke down sobbing. >> and that was tough. that was really difficult to film. because he was just broken. you know, he was just a sad, sad time. >> eventually, prison staff had no choice but to physically carry steel back into his cell. >> there we go. >> come on. there we go. there we go. >> don't hurt your shoulder. one, two, three. bring him in. >> he just kind of went limp. and then they dragged him back
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into his cell. propped him up on his cot. and he just sat there. just staring straight ahead. but looking very much look a broken man. >> we visited steel several weeks later, he agreed to speak with us about the incident we filmed earlier. both he and prison medical staff gave us per mugs mission to air footage we had of him. >> that day i saw you up here with things packed and ready to go home? did you believe in your heart you would go home? >> yes. >> what about now? >> i don't think so. >> what do you think -- youable have to stay in this housing uniit? >> i hope not. >> what do you want? >> i want to be released from prison. >> the prison psychologist, hopes steel will be well enough to transition to a less restrictive housing unit. >> we have a work program for the inmates in the chronic care unit where they work in general population.
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>> the world of politics colliding head first with the world of celebrity. and washington, d.c.'s biggest annual event, it its the white house correspondents' dinner, the who's who of politicians, pundits, actors, actresses gathering at a ballroom in the nation's capital right now. the highlight of the evening, of course, the leader of the free word, president barack obama, unleashing his inner stand-up coppic. -- comic. if you don't think he has the chops to do it perhaps remember last year he took on donald, donald trump there at the dinner. the president at the height of the birther controversy had choice words for donald trump. the president of the united states set to take the podium here in just a few moments. the question this year, of course, who will the target be?
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let's go ahead and listen in right now. live from the washington hilton here in washington, d.c. >> got to get warmed up. ♪ i i am so in love ♪ god, i totally had that. seriously, guys, what am i doing here? i'm the president of the united states and i'm opening for jimmy kit. mmel. i have the nuclear codes why am i telling knock knock jokes to kim kardashian. why is she famous any way? that's it. next year. you're right. that's way too risky. wow, look at my hair. i really went gray. do you think anybody would notice if i just went a little darker. right now i'm like a 5 on the just for men scale. i think i could go to 6, and nobody would notice. is the teleprompter working? are you kidding? what do you expect me to do out
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there? i literally have no idea what i am saying tonight. [ toilet flushing ] man, i could really use a cigarette right now. okay, okay. i'm going. god forbid we keep chuck todd and the cast of "glee" waiting. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome the president of the united states. [ applause ] >> thank you. good evening, everybody. good evening. i could not be more thrilled to be here tonight. at the white house correspondents dinner. a great crowd. they're already laughing. terrific. chuck todd, love you, brother.
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delighted to see some of the cast members of "glee" are here. and jimmy kimmel, an honor, man. what's so funny? my fellow americans, we gather during an historic anniversary. last year at this time, in fact, on this very weekend, we finally delivered justice to one of the world's most notorious individuals. [ applause ] now, this year, we gather in the
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midst of a heated election season. and axelrod tells me i should never miss a chance to reintroduce myself to the american people. so, tonight, this is how i would like to begin. my name is barack obama. my mother was born in kansas. my father was born in kenya. and i was born, of course, in hawaii. in 2009, i took office in the face of some enormous challenges. now, some have said i blame too many problems on my predecessor, but let's not forget, that is a practice that was initiated by george w. bush.
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