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did. >> thank you, mayor. thank you so much. good to be here with mayor rudolph giuliani and obviously he is a man who is respected and admired by the members of this station. the mayor indicated that some 11 men lost their lives on 9/11 from this station. this is a place of significance for the people of new york but also for the people of our country. and i wanted to come here today and i was happy to be here with the mayor and express our appreciation to the men and women who serve in the firefighters and among first responders here in new york. and to acknowledge the special place that this is. i also remember well being with the mayor on december 24th, christmas eve, in 2001. just a few months after 9/11. the olympic torch that was on its way from greece, actually, and then through atlanta and then coming to new york was brought into the city. we brought it in by boat. and the families of some of the

victims of the 9/11 tragedy firefighters and police families joined us on that boat. we took the olympic flame and went out into the harbor. we stopped in front of the statue of liberty. we all sang "god bless america" together and there were hugs and tears that were shed there. then we brought the boat back to the harbor, back to the dock and took the torch, and the mayor actually ran with the torch that day. ran the torch across the ice at rockefeller center. and then we lit a cauldron and it burned here in new york city for a day on december 25th. so it's an honor to be here with the mayor to acknowledge these men and women who serve as our first responders, who rush to danger as opposed to rushing from it. this of course is on the anniversary of the day when osama bin laden finally was taken out and we respect and admire the many people who are part of that. from the president who

authorized that attack to the intelligence community that worked on it for so many years to identify where he was. and of course, to the members of our armed services, particularly s.e.a.l. team 6 that took the extraordinary risk of going into pakistan and removing one of the world's worst characters. with that we're happy to take any questions you may have. >> of course i would have ordered taking out osama bin laden. of course. this is a person who had done terrible harm to america and who represented a continuing threat to a civilized people throughout the world. had i been president of the united states, i would have played the same decision the president made, which was to remove him. i acknowledged actually a year ago when this was announced that the president deserved credit for the decision he made. i continue to believe that. and certainly would have taken that action myself.

i'm sorry. pardon? >> [ inaudible ]. >> i think i said the same thing as vice president -- not vice president then it's but joe biden. it was naive to go into pakistan. we always reserve the right to go anywhere to get osama bin laden. i said that very clearly in the response that i made. but that i thought, many people believed as i did that it was naive on the part of the president at that time, the candidate, to say he would go into pakistan. it was a very, if you will, fragile and flammable time in pakistan and i thought it was a mistake of him as a candidate for the presidency of the united states to announce that he would go in. rather than to say as i did, we reserve the right to go where we feel is appropriate to secure the interests of the united states of america. and certainly to track osama bin laden anywhere he could be found. i'm sorry. i can't quite hear you.

>> [ inaudible ]. >> i think it is totally appropriate for the president to express to the american people the view that he has, that he had an important role in taking out osama bin laden. i think politicizing it was, and try to draw a distinction between himself and myself was an inappropriate use of the very important event that brought america together. which was the elimination of osama bin laden. the mayor and i had a very nice chat this morning. we talked about the progress the city is making. it is quite an extraordinary story about the number of murders that are down in this city. the economic revitalization of the city. you have to look at what new york has done under this mayor and under mayor bloomberg and say the city is just a remarkable place doing a superb

job, from everything he reported. there were numbers that were surprising to me. he described the fact that the life expectancy of a new yorker is three years longer than the life expectancy of an average american. that's -- that's not something most people would recognize. this is a great city. >> thank you very much, governor. >> pardon? i did not. thanks, you guys. >> thank you. >> mitt romney briefly taking a few questions from the press. again, he is in new york city marking the one-year anniversary this day of the death of osama bin laden. he is with engine 24, ladder five in new york. that's the fire station where 11 firefighters lost their lives. let me bring in chuck todd is standing by, michael smerconish as well. chuck, i want to start with you. i was watching your show this morning. this issue of rudolph giuliani and mitt romney. set aside the differences with the president here. these two men at one point in time said different things when asked about the possibility of

going into pakistan and taking out osama bin laden if given the opportunity. let me play what they both said in 2007. >> i do not concur in the words of barack obama, in a plan to enter an ally of ours and their country in a manner complete with bombing and so forth. i don't think those kinds of comments help him in this effort to draw more friends to our effort. i think his comments were ill-timed and ill-considered. >> i would take that option if i thought there was no other way to crush al qaeda, no other way to crush the taliban, and no other way to be able to cap you are bin laden. i think pakistan has unfortunately not been making the efforts that they should be making. >> here we have it now. mitt romney saying he took issue with the announcing of it. you had one of his advisers on your show who said this was a hypothetical at the time and you quickly pointed out, it was a

hypothetical that turned into a real situation that the president was faced with answering. >> well, it was a couple things that i noticed about mitt romney today. i thought he was, he had a much different tone than the comment he made yesterday. even jimmy carter, and we noticed it in his joint interview this morning with his wife on cbs. then again here with rudolph giuliani. he was very careful in basically not criticizing the president. going out of his way not to do that. but trying to clarify his remarks. the fact is it did seem as if mitt romney's remarks evolved over a few weeks in 2007. you had what we had, what he told, what he said in iowa. ill-time and ill-conceived. then when rudolph giuliani basically sided with president obama saying i would not act alone. then you hear mitt romney sort of evolving in that and i think that's what he was hanging his hat on today.

but i think it should be noted, i think you sort of see a turn in the romney campaign realizing, let's try not to have this debate today. because after yesterday and the jimmy carter line, i think they realized that probably wasn't the best political strategy. >> let me play what you referenced, romney's interview this morning. i'll get you in here as well. this morning on cbs with his wife. let's play it. >> i think them taking credit for the right decision is entirely appropriate. i think trying to attack me on that basis is disappointing in the wrong course. >> i'm told after this news conference, mayor giuliani said a similar thing, that the president should get credit. using it as an attack he believes is not appropriate. with all of that said, is there in your opinion, do they see any legitimacy in bringing this up, the white house or the president said there is a distinction with mitt romney on whether or not they would have made this decision? >> well, i'm going to speak for

myself only and say i think it is entirely appropriate and legitimate for the president to take credit for giving that difficult order. there is a tendency in retrospect for people to act as if this was a no brainer. yet you have vice president biden and former secretary gates both confessing that they didn't believe we had enough information at the time for the president to take that plunge. i would point out it was not just governor romney at the time. it was senator clinton, senator mccain. there were a whole host of individuals who called the president, the now president, naive and worse when he said that he would do what in the end he ultimately did do. and i think he deserves credit and praise for that. >> and chuck, beyond the debate that happened at the time, as i understand it, and we know it has been widely reported. when the intel came in that osama bin laden may be in that compound, even in the minutes and hours leading up, there were some within the president's inner circle who were unsure about the decision.

when mitt romney says, it's a no brainer. any thinking american would have made that decision. we know that that was not the case. there was apprehension to the very last minute there. >> there was. and i want to clarify one remark. jim miklaszewski corrected me this morning, wanted to make sure we had a fuller context of what gates's objection was. it was not of taking out the compound but he was against the idea of sending troop in on the ground, doing the helicopter raid. instead, using basically doing an air strike, if you will. look, there were all sorts. it wasn't just making the decision about whether to go after the compound. but it was also making the decision about how to go after the compound. and it was, look, i've talked to a lot of people in that room. even in the folks that were in favor of it. they would sit there and say, 55/45. things like that. there weren't a lot of clear cut when it came to vice president biden or even defense secretary

gates. they would couch it themselves. my gut is, i would probably lean against not doing it. things like that. it was never clear cut. and that i think is again, you go back and you hear the debate. and this is what is so fascinating about romney and obama facing off. this is the first time since 1980 where both candidates who are the nominees, both ran for president four years earlier so there is a real archive and interesting back and forth record from just then about the various issues that popped up. >> absolutely. and you mentioned the issue of an air strike at the time. the concern was if they destroyed the compound, it would be difficult to recover the dna and the things needed to prove that it was osama bin laden who was in the compound. i want to play what senator john mccain said on fox regarding this ad placed out by the obama re-election team on friday. >> to now take credit for something that any president would do. indicative of the kind of campaign we're under. we're seeing. and i've had the great honor of

serving in the company. you know the thing about heroes, they don't brag. >> so michael, are you hearing from people who call into your show, who see this as bragging? >> no. the president, i think, has been anything but braggadocious. listen to the tone when he was standing next to the japanese prime minister yesterday. he is not a person who has been exercising his muscles in this regard. what i think is going on, they're trying to neutralize this success of the president's. his opponents are. that obama is one of them and not one of us. that's what i think is going on. it shows that he's strong on these matters of national security. >> let me talk strategy here. you talk a lot about it with the first read team today. the reality is there's no way that the obama team could have known that mitt romney used the flip remark about jimmy carter.

that they could not script. but going into this week, there had to be anticipation that he would be meeting romney on his heels. knowing the audio, knowing what he said in debates. you mentioned archives. you don't have to dig too hard to find his words going into pakistan. >> the question is, and i think this was where you'll have two views. where the obama campaign, did they bait, did they set a trap for romney by doing this ad that was pretty rough and tough? calling into question whether romney would have made the same call to see if they could draw him out and then have this larger conversation about what he said in 2007? and either try to add one of two narratives? is he as decisive as the president or did he change his position? or did it look like they were going too far in trying to politicize. the closest thing we have to v.j. day, the closest thing any of us will have or probably feel

to vaq day, if you will. so i think the romney folks realized and i'm watching the candidate today. i feel like they realize the jimmy carter thing, that they took the bait and they needed to back off. and i've noticed today in everything they've said, very careful not to fight back too hard on this. >> you mentioned evolving. that's the language in the beltway. that's a way of saying you've changed, a polite way to say you've changed or flip flopped, the common term for it. nonetheless, has romney adequately, does his explanation of no, i meant, i wouldn't announce that i would go to pakistan. i didn't mean i wouldn't go in. is that an adequate explanation to get his feet off the fire? >> well, that is what, when you look at what john mccain's criticism was, that is sort of, that was mccain's criticism of

president obama. when you look at joe biden's criticism at the time. so i think that is the way the romney campaign feels. whether it is adequate or not will be up to the voters watching. this it does go to this larger narrative which is you do have a republican party that is trying desperately to make barack obama look like jimmy carter. bad economy, bad on national security. except they don't have both here. there is a big national security success in president obama's portfolio. that is the killing of osama bin laden. jimmy carter had a bad economy. >> let me go quickly to peter alexander. he is standing by. he is with the romney campaign. we know he talked about an array of things. what is next? i think we lost -- >> reporter: the world trade tower stood. he was here with the firefighters in the fire house. 11 firefighters were killed on 9/11, standing beside the man

often referred to as america's mayor. rudolph giuliani. to pay tribute to the lives that were lost on american soil on the day of 9/11. and as they were articulating, he did return to the same language he tried to use over the last 24 hours saying in his words, of course i would have ordered taking out osama bin laden. he said as he tried to explain it, that he agreed with what joe biden has said four years ago. chuck todd referred to that archive of information because both president obama and mitt romney ran for president four years ago. back then in 2007. he essentially said he thought it was naive of the president, or ill timed and considered to make the comment that he did. today he referred to those comments again and said that he thought it would be not a mistake to go into pakistan but a mistake to announce that you would go in. acknowledging the u.s. would always reserve the right. he was asked another question that was interesting about the politicalization of the osama bin laden raid, given that he was at a fire station on the anniversary of osama bin laden's

death. and he again attacked the president for politicizing this issue. not he or mayor giuliani. >> thank you. quickly, even in these times people wonder who is the winner or the loser in this. i refer to the fact you talk to people all day on the radio. are we all winners because you have the man who was the most wanted terrorist who took the lives of 3,000 people in new york city alone, that this is the day that his life was taken. >> well, you're right. i think in that observation. let's not lose sight of the fact that it was, i don't want to say happy but celebratory in a way, one year ago tonight. we thank s.e.a.l. team 6 for putting the hammer down. and we thank president obama for what was at the time a very difficult decision. i think that's the wrap-up and that's what i'm hearing from people who are calling me. >> thank you, chuck, thank you for around. i greatly appreciate it. we are following developing news. police arrest five men accused of plotting to blow up a bridge

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five men described as anarchists are accused in a plan to blow up a bridge in ohio. authority say they've been under surveillance for some time. you've made it clear, this is

nothing to do with any anniversary of the death of osama bin laden. this is a separate entity all its own. what else can you tell me? >> right. completely unrelated to that. the fbi has had these five under surveillance since last fall when they first came to the attention of a confidential fbi source. they've been tracked ever since. they never had any actual explosives but they considered a range of possibilities. at one point they were going to set smoke grenades off on a different bridge and then knock signs off the top of banks. they finally settled on this one that you're looking at here. this goes over a national park in cleveland. according to the fbi, they made a decision that they wanted to shift to explosives and try to blow up a bridge by march. in april, they were talking to two people they thought could provide them explosives. the two according to the fbi, you are looking at pictures of the news conference from earlier today, those two people turned out to be undercover fbi agents who provided the five with what they thought were bombs. the five men paid $450 for these

bombs. authorities say they actually placed them at the bottom of the bridge that you're looking at here last night and then went at some distance away and tried to set them off with cell phones. but of course, they were duds. they were inert and that's when they were arrested. the fbi says they were intent on committing violent destruction. they certainly, according to court documents, officials allege that they had very violent desires. and wanted in their words to send a message to corporations by destroying property. but it is equally clear that they had none of the means on their own to carry this off. and you know, these things always raise questions about what they would have done if left to their own devices. the federal agents say their desire to carry out violence was so strong that they felt this operation to string them along and watch them carefully was justified. >> they range in age, 20 to 35 years old. do we know if authorities suspect any other individuals

may be involved? >> no, not that we've heard. curiously, some of them had a loose connection to the occupy cleveland gathering. and it does appear from the court documents, although the documents are not explicit about this. that what first got the fbi on to them is that there was going to be an event. they simply say in the court documents, an event held by a protest group october 21st of last fall. that's why the fbi decided to have this confidential source go and listen. and he said these men really stood out. they were wearing masks using walky talkies. they had anarchists flags and they were trying to urge other people to commit violent acts. not peaceful protests. >> thank you very much. thank you for this developing story. some are calling it a spring awakening. occupy wall street reporters hope to revive their movement with may day demonstrations across the country, across the

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to take control of your personal economy. get one-on-one help from america's retirement leader. more on the death of osama bin laden. one year later, thousands of declassified documents seized on the raid in the compound will be published thursday online. they reveal chilling details about his final moments. we many, terrorism analyst evan coleman. we were speaking with chuck todd regarding the decision to send in a ground team to take out bin laden. there was a worry that if you had an air strike, that valuable information would be destroyed. it would be too complicated, perhaps even impossible to identify the reminds. with reality we know that team six, the s.e.a.l. team 6 left with a treasure trove as it was described that day. >> they really came away with the keys to the castle. i think a lot of us thought bin

laden might have had better operational security. as it turned out, a lot of very, very important documents, a lot of information about what al qaeda was planning, its weaknesses, its fears, its hopes, its dreams, all that material was wrapped up in this raid. and it really gave us i think a lot better picture about what's going on at the top levels of al qaeda. both the politics between al qaeda senior leadership and also, what their real assessment is. we've been watching al qaeda propaganda videos for years and they've been pounding a very positive image of themselves. but when it come down to it, what do they really think of themselves? and the reality is a lot less heroic than they would like us to believe. >> there were so many intriguing things but one of the thing that jumped out at me today. a report out of pakistan. there were people interviewed who live in the area and they still don't believe that bin laden was ever there or maybe even they don't believe that he was killed. let me play some of that sound from the interview.

>> this is all a lie. i live here. this is my town. i didn't know he lived there. >> translator: i don't believe any of it. >> isn't that intriguing? >> it is part of the problem with pakistan. that anti-american feelings are running so high there that just about any conspiracy is ready to be believed, no matter how ridiculous it is. this also goes to the down side of dumping bin laden's body in the ocean without showing any kind of proof. you don't want to ratchet up people's feelings. at the same time there are people out there that will say he was not really killed or he was not really there. and it is very sad. let's hope that the relationship between the u.s. and pakistan improves. we really don't want ordinary pakistanis believing these things. >> the relationship is obviously complex. many believe it will never. the use of drone in that renal,

let me play what he said. >> there is nothing in international law that bans the use of remotely piloted aircraft for this purpose or that prohibit us from using lethal force against our enemies, outside of an active battlefield. at least when the country involved can sense or is unable or unwilling to take action against the threat. >> the last words, unwilling or unable to take action against the threats. you as well as i know that there are still many voices, important voices who believe that pakistan or at least people within the military maybe withheld information and we may never know. >> that's part of the problem. if we cannot rely on a paccy intelligence apparatus, the isi and the military to do its job, we also can't just sit there and watch as al qaeda operatives gather. the same thing is happening in yemen. would we prefer the yemeni government to take care of itself? yes, of course. it is extremely weak, an

extremely unstable situation and we won't just sit there to allow them to plan attacks against the united states. we can't allow that to happen. i think that's part of the calculus that goes into these drone strikes. that there are citizen casualties. yes. it is regrettable but in the end, this is an act of self-defense. >> all right, terrorism analyst, evan, thank you. up next, i'll talk with a florida lawmaker who has come up with recommendation to change florida's controversial stand your ground law. he is calling on the governor of the state to review ideas. he has pulled these ideas. he had law enforcement personnel, attorneys working with him. he will break it down. that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. for half the calories plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8.

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occupy protesters alongside immigration activists. they say they intend to show the 1% what life without the 99% would look like. i'm joined by the participant in the occupy wall street movement. harrison, i haven't seen you in a while which brings me to the question. there was an article today that asked what happened to occupy? >> we never left. person just tired. anarchy isn't easy. we had to hibernate but today we're resurging. >> what has been happening during the hibernation? >> we got organized. we got to know one another's skill sets better. we became a tighter community. we came one some plans. >> what are the plans? >> everyone has their own plans. i can really only speak about myself, of course. i've been on a project called o.w.s. amp nalytics. i've been working on the

people's guilds. a the love groups have been the movement. the number are looking good. i was looking at some real-time today and there were at least 10,000 people on occupy wall street.org. the numbers are surging and things are going really well. i have survey research out on all those websites as well and people are taking it. and i'll be spending a lot of sleepless nights analyzing that data. >> we want to hear some of the data. >> we want to hear some of that. as you well know, there was a great debate over if the occupy movement has had real impact. a city group, the board members voted not to give its ceo this huge pay package, hundreds of millions of dollars and some said that maybe that was an overflow from the occupy movement that this world of people getting 24 and $30 million dollar packages

certainly is up for debate up more than ever. >> i don't know what specific case you're talking about. the real impact of the movement definitely has to do with the introduction of inequality in police discourse. this round for phase ii, i think what we'll see, the story will have more to do with oppression. stories about our freedoms being taken away which is happening all over. >> real quick though. obviously you have the general election coming up and many people are wondering if you and many of the people participating, we saw people of all age groomups, when it come time to vote, if we would see a focus on getting people out to vote. whoever you choose to vote for. but there would be a focus on voting. >> the grudge goes back to just republicans and democrats.

the problem is capitalism. that's what needs to change. i don't care about the selection. i know other people are working on it. i'm looking at far, far more radical alternatives than political alternatives. i would like to see a new form of politics entirely in which we see like the legislative branches, executive branches, judicial branches actually functioning more with current technology. with social media technology. and with these general assemblies. i think the way we do politics is completely outdated. and there are more efficient means of communicating with one another and collective decisions. that's what this movement is about. it is not about creating a political reform. it is about actually being a revolutionary forceful it is about actually living in different ways and more humane, more ethical, more socially progressive ways. >> i know you'll be out there. good to see you. devastating report from the

british parliament blasting media mogul rupert murdoch saying he is, quote, not fit to run a major international company. the report says murdoch deliberately turned a blind eye to the phone candle and other wrongdoings around the world including here in the states. >> to put it politely, we've been led up the dwarnd path by news international. but more importantly, so are the readers of the newspapers, the general public, and the victims of phone hacking. >> everybody in the world knows who is responsible for the wrongdoing of news corp. >> news corp responded in the past few hours calling the report unjust identified and highly partisan. the investigative correspondent michael isikoff joins us. you have exclusive details. for people who believe this is just across the pond, obviously news corp is based here in the states and this will trickle to what we're seeing here.

>> exactly. news corp has already been facing an escalating justice department investigation into alleged bribes in russia, in china, and in the united kingdom. the payments to those british police officers by news of the world reporters. so while this report doesn't have any direct bearing on those investigations, it does provide some powerful new ammunition for shareholder lawsuits against news corp and big institutional investors who have been pressing the company to make major changes in its management structure, and loosen the murdoch family grip on the company. ro rupert was one of the highest paid in the united states last year, including getting a $12.5 million bonus. he is chairman and ceo of the company.

and there are big institutional investors saying, wait a second. you have been complicit in a cover-up of wrongdoing in the u.k. you've gotten this company into a ditch. and there needs to be some big changes in management. and i think this report is going to help institutional investors trying to make that case. >> what do we make of the response from news corp that this was unjustified? >> they're trying to walk a very thin line here. in fact, their initial statement early this morning when the report first came out said that they acknowledge significant wrongdoing at the news of the world, the now defunct newspaper that was at the center of this phone hacking scandal. but wanted to take time to review the report. and after four or five hours they put out this statement saying some of the comments clearly referring to those about rupert murdoch were highly partisan and unjust at this fight. but they can't go too far.

they know the phone hacking scandal is real. there have been upwards of about 40 employees have been arrested in the u.k. they're ongoing investigations that most people expect will lead to criminal charges. there's huge lawsuit liability here so they can't be too much in denial. so this is a bit of damage control. big, big damage control by the company. ? it is also beyond the damage control of the company which is a conglomerate. you're talking about a man who is in his 80s? >> 81. >> as he media mogul, one of the most powerful men in the world which is part of this whole hacking scandal. what access he had to prime ministers and other leaders there. what does this do for murdoch himself? people are asking, can he survive it combined with his age alone, this incredible pressure. >> right. you saw the testimony where he

was for the first time, apologetic, humbled. clearly shaken by all this. and you're right. i mean, this is a man who has had enormous political influence in the united kingdom and the united states. remember, fox news is obviously a very powerful voice in the political dialogue in the united states. in addition, news corp made a million-dollar donation to the republican governor's association in the 2010 election. they've been a powerful political influence and i think murdoch's ability to maintain anything like that kind of awe that he struck in capitol hill and washington is not going to be sustained after all this has come out. >> all right. with the new details on the empire that may be certainly in trouble. thank you very much. and there is a lot going on today. here's a few things, at least one thing i thought you should know.

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