how are you? >> i just like to listen the words you use to incite the dignity and hilarity. there was one other word -- >> odious. >> odious, that's it. >> which means appalling, abominable. >> it's very effective. we start right now. all right, good thursday afternoon to you. i'm dylan ratigan. today's big story, confronting china and specifically understanding the problem so that the way you confront china actually helps you solve it. secretary of state hillary clinton and treasury secretary tim geithner in beijing right

now at an economic conference, but an unplanned evidence, a human rights issue grabbing the spotlight. if you haven't heard it, here we go. a blind human activist has escaped a chinese house arrest. this blind chinese activist took refuge at the u.s. embassy in beijing when hillary clinton and tim geithner were there. the prisoner says he was being punished in response to his opposition to the management of their one-child rule, they are now telling the daily beast that he and his family want out of china and they want to do it on hillary clinton's u.s. state department plane right now while she's in town today, let's go. he claims police reportedly beat his family during their house arrest. he fears what they'll do next if he's forced to leiave the

embassy. hillary clinton stopped short of this this morning, but did not act for this activist in the situation. >> we do believe that all governments have to answer to citizens' aspirations for dignity and the rule of law, and that no nation can or should deny those rights. >> first, peter navaro, friend of the show. before we get to trade and jobs and all the rest of this, peter, what -- what was your initial response when you saw the news of this dissident, and really, the strategic brilliance on the dis, dissident's part to get a seat on that airplane? >> i've never been more ashamed of american policy, and i think it's important to look at this

in historical context. in 1994, bill clinton as president was the first to decouple human rights from all these economic and security issues, and hillary clinton's very first act of secretary of state was to do the very same thing and state very clearly to the world that she would not hold china accountable to human rights with respect to other issues skpchlt n issues. and now we have the spectacle of our government giving the bum's rush to a blind man out of the embassy so that we can host another meaningless summit on economic and national security matters, and i'd say this now with my tongue sort of in cheek, but what we should do is put hi hillary, her spouse and her daughter under house arrest and let whatever happens to chen and his family happen to them, and maybe in this country we would finally get it. this is shameful, dylan, and

it's just got to stop. we're a country, we've got to figure this out that the people we're doing with on the other side of the pacific, it's a totalitary regime, and they do not voyour best interests at heart. >> i largely agree with peter's direction and assessment at vet least the risks of these situations, and you can calibrate your order of calibration. if you were to look at the deal with the devil that america and china have made where china gets full employment, america gets cheap products, america gets cheap debt and china gets u.s. consumption of its products, china government wins, the people of america get screwed, and the people of china get screwed as well, i might add. so if you were to look at that deal with the devil and that deal then comes with the blind eye peter just spoke to, and the only way to engage this was with

a cohesive network, you must say, we must have currency reform, we must have independent rights protection, do you get a sense that anybody in the leadership, the g-7, the u.n., anywhere, is looking at this through a problem-solving lens that is a little more humble, that nobody in this country can deal with china because they have this difficult situation, but a group can be more effective, especially if they had a short list of requests this they were very clear. >> dylan, you're right, and it will take some sort of court-ordered response to be effective, but i don't want to undersell america's ability to do something about this. after all, about a third of chinese exports come to the united states. their future is tied to our future in a way that can't be matched by any other bilateral relationship around the world. i want to rewind the tape for

about 12 years and go back to 2000 when not only president clinton but also candidate george bush, former president ford, former president carter, and alan greenspan and everyone was saying, we have to bring china in through the world trading system, we have to end the annual review of chinese human rights, otherwise the united states will be isolated. if we do this, we will have balance trade with china, we will have democracy in china, we will have respect for human rights. we'll all be better off. if you haven't figured it out, that was the biggest joke perpetuated on the american people. you haven't been paying attention. we have a $295 billion trade deficit. that's a record with china last year. we have 2.8 million lost american jobs. you have china using this wealth to opress its people with the help of equipment provided by a manufacturing company, some of which are based in the united

states, you have a cultural genocide being perpetuated on the tibetan people, and you don't have any progress on this. i want to go back to all these leaders, including bill clinton, and say, what were you thinking? we have to do this differently. dylan, i just to want wrap up by saying we're not going to get results with china until we're honest with them about what we think about their policies, that they are violating the wko agreements, they're not respecting the human rights, and there will be consequences if they don't. >> and the barrier to that, peter, lies in the deal with the devil which is i walk into the room and give the chinese government the scott paul speech, i give them the peter navaro speech, and they look back across the table at me and say, i am the marginal financing of your debt outside the federal reserve. how do you want to deal with that, and amazingly what happens is tim geithner and hillary clinton start

humena-humena-humena, forget about the ron paul or the tim geithner speech. is that why we're not seeing the dip plo did i plo diplomacy that people expect of themselves? >> i don't think so, i think it comes down to george bush, bill clinton and others, most of them get their competition from the companies that are making out like bandits in china on the basis of the unfair trade practices. they make stuff over there cheap, they sell it here cheap, they make money, we lose jobs. i think the problem here, dylan, is that the chinese government clearly perceives us as weak, particularly this new incident shows extraordinary weakness on the part of hillary clinton,

gary locke, and tim geithner. geithner to me on the economics deal is a chamberlain of our ties. he's run around for years to these summits. he makes a sovereign speech about how china should do this, should do that, should re-evaluate its currency, should open its market and sell to consumers, but he's the one that could make a difference with a china manipulator. he is the treasurer of the finance department. for the last four years he's refused to do that despite the fact that barack obama promised to do that when he was on the campaign trail in '08. so this is a bipartisan failure, republican and democrat. it does get down ultimately to big money, but this country, dylan, is going down the tubes. we've lost our industrial base, we've lost our manufacturing jobs in key states, and i think

the people in ohio and pennsylvania and michigan and north carolina are going to decide this election on the china issue. >> and do so through the lens of, if you solve china, you will bring jobs back to america. >> that's exactly right. >> that's very linear. this conversation we will continue to escalate. i look forward to your journalism on the subject. scott and peter, your advocacy, your work and time articulating with us is very valuable. thanks to both of you. coming up here, weather on the global stage or back here in america. how is it that we can all act culturally with a single voice, with a single mission, when there is a culture of secrets and two sets of rules around the world? we'll talk about resolving that. and the clock is ticking. this is real news for you, my friends. if you're into reform, you watched the show on the right day. actual legislation and actual americans aimed at better

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i am honored to be able to be here to introduce not only governor bob mcdonald, a fabulous governor of the state of virginia, but also to lend my voice and my endorsement to mitt romney as our president. >> did we hear that right? yes, it's all about the romney railroad for congresswoman michelle bachman after months of -- well, this. >> mitt romney is the only governor of the united states to promote a socialized problem for his state. >> which she endorses, obviously. this is not the only political party that practices such

bizarre rituals. hillary clinton changed her tune the last time around after a rather difficult primary battle for barack obama. >> you said you would vote against the patriot acts, you changed the senate, you voted for it. you said you would vote against funding for the iraq war. you changed the senate and you voted for $3 billion of it. the answer for me here in unity, new hampshire is to pledge my support and my hard work and my effort to the next president of the united states, barack obama. >> it certainly isn't mitt romney's first time at the rodeo. romney versus mccain in '08. slight difference in the point of view there, just to bury my point on you. >> i frankly don't think that senator mccain, despite his service and length of experience, that that's going to be able to stand up to the message that barack obama has

brought forward. >> i am honored today to give my full support to senator mccain's candidacy for the presidency of the united states. >> you can't make it up. endorsements by all appearance really nothing more than another fraudulent flip-flopping act in a rigged two-party political system by two-party political systems that are all over our country with secrecy and two sets of rules. with that said, i still endorse the thursday mega panel, karen, susan and jimmy. hmm. >> enough said, dylan. >> i try to do something constructive here. i begin with suns becausan becas in the room and i can look her in the eye, no offense to the two of you. it is clear that what people say doesn't matter. there was an article in the "washington post" about the death of facts, the whole --

people can't respond to the fraudulent system right now because there is no choices. because there is a restriction on the system, two parties, 10% of the candidates, you can't really do anything else. you can't really feel the frustration with the fraud this has become. same way you can't feel the currency issue because we're printing money, right? you can't tell what's going on because we have this unique privilege. what are the consequences of not acknowledging the fact that everybody can see that this is a circus, this is a carnival, this is a fraud long-term politically for this country? >> long-term politically, it has to lead to an independent party at some point. third choice, maybe even a fourth or fifth choice, because people are so frustrated. until they get out there and say it and do it, you get what you pay for, and what you will let, frankly, and that's where the problem lies. >> i was talking to a couple friends of my investment banker, corporate advisers, who were saying the most difficult

corporate structure to unseat in private competition is two companies working together to protect the territory. so when you get a duopoly where you have x and y and they control 80% of the districts and you want to be the third player to break into the beverage distribution company or the movies or whatever it is, breaking into a duopoly is impossible. how aware do you think these two parties are that they have the privilege to basically exclude other political debate in a way that is fairly unique, and how much are they really exploiting that consciously or unconsciously, in your opinion? >> well, you know, i think both parties are fairly aware, and look, at the outset, all of these potential candidates are aware that at some point, should they become the nominee, the others are likely going to be -- as we would say, get on board. sometimes it may take a little longer than others. so, i mean, that does sort of make the primary process a little silly when you hear some

of the barbs going back and forth, knowing that actually -- at some point that same person is going to be standing on the stage next to them, endorsing them, so sure, i think there is absolutely an awareness. i think the challenge, i will say, on the republican side this time, more so than we saw on the democratic side last time, it has been that the range of differences and the range of issues that have been talked about from rick santorum to newt gingrich to mitt romney for a variety of reasons, i think mostly because of the various republican parties, i think that's where a little more of the energy has been. but at the end of the day, we all knew whoever the nominee was going to be, they were all going to stand behind that person. >> jimmy, you get the last word on whatever this mess is. >> it is a mess, that's absolutely sure. as mark barnacle called it this

morning, it's nauz yaseating, a couldn't agree more. ms. bachmann's endorsement today was not at the presetepid, it w strong, i thought. he's got a problem, all his primary opponents are flip-flopping towards him. it's like the king flip-flopper and the little prince and princess flip-floppers, and that's not good. both parties kind of suck at this, frankly, and you wonder why congress and the political parties are standing at 13% approval ratings. >> i'll bring you guys back. i have a proposed solution to some of this, no joke, which is, i believe, as you know, that it's a disconnection between the voters and the vote of the limited primary and the limited competition that allows this to go on and we can't do anything about it. some people are doing something about it. new york state assemblyman is working on this. as the new york state assembly

is preparing to adjourn for its summer break next month, there are fair election advocates who are pushing for more competitive elections, already sweating lawmakers to take action on a bill that has already been introduced in the state of new york, meant to make primaries and other elections in new york state more competitive so that this sort of nonsense we were just talking about starts to diminish because then you can reconnect voters with the people they vote for. the goal in this group is simple, to lower the playing field to bring the message monopoly currently enjoyed by the candidates with the most money. it's an idea introduced by this show with accountability beyond getting money out. this goes to the actual primaries. take a listen. >> it's inexpensive, it doesn't take a lot of us voting, that's what the campaign for primary accountability is to get citizens involved in the primary. both parties are non-idealogical.

if they know we can throw them out, they respond to main street instead of tea street. >> remember, they are contested. you are looking at wayne jeffries who is running for congress to represent the great burrough city of brooklyn. hakeem, obviously you've already caught on to the new thing, which is if we're not connected, we can't do anything. the only way to connect is more competitive elections, more competitive elections require money. not everybody has private money. you feel you've paved the way to require more private elections which calls to the floor andy cuomo who says he wants to do this. tell us what the proposal is and how we can learn more and help you with it. >> we're in a dysfunctional political system right now which, really, is all about how are we going to continue to preserve the integrity of our democracy and create fair elections in a meaningful way? right now the struggle and issue

really is, is the power of money going to prevail or the power of ideas going to prevail? we believe that the power of ideas should ultimately prevail in elections that take place in new york state and throughout this country. in order for us to do that, however, we're going to have to figure out a way to remove the power of the lobbyists of the special interest and a special infusion of money that has been put in place. >> explain to me in a way so that everybody along at home can understand, because if you're on the show at this point, chances are the guests, and certainly the audience, is with you on this issue. we want more competitive elections, we want more hands-on debate, we know the money is a problem, we know the primary is a problem. how does your plan work to make these elections more competitive? i want to run for office, i don't have any money, i want in. how does your plan help me? >> what we want to do in the state of new york is for there to be a 6 to 1 public financing

system where, for every $1 that you raise as a citizen in the state of new york, the city will match that for a 6 to 1 allocation of money that will give you the capacity to fund a very competitive race against the power of incumbency and the power of money. in terms of what that would mean is, and most elections in the state of new york, you have incumbents who are wildly outspending insurgent challenges, most likely 4 to 1, 5 to 1 in terms of money. with the financing we would have in new york, it would eliminate any candidate, incumbents and insurgents, from spending no more than $150,000 per election, in the senate, $350,000 per election. in the senate, it would create a level playing field. it also would give insurgents and community folks access. >> love it. let me ask you two questions, one, which is how the heck are you going to pay for this?

are you going to do some crazy, public financing tact out there? you can either do a 5% income tax checkoff for a voluntary donation so you're not alienating all the electives, or you do an insurgents' stocks and bonds, so you picked a villain, if nothing else, from the stock market. i assume you have the support of the governor. governor cuomo has been so expre expressive verbally and really been behind you when it comes to competitive elections in the state. take a listen. >> we have a government we can be proud of. let's build on that pride and let's have elections that new yorkers can be proud of also. [ applause ] >> let's add campaign finance reform and let's do it this

year. >> this is this year, this is the plan. is the governor supporting this undertaking? i just looked at some subsequent quotes. he said, it's an election year, so this issue isn't necessarily a priority for the legislature. same man, same year, same issue. what's going on? >> this is a priority for the legislature. we've got a tremendous amount of support within the assembly. the assembly is actually the lead sponsor of the bill. i'm a co-sponsor along with many of my colleagues in the democratic control in the assembly. we also have significant support in the senate. the governor did lay out support in financial reform during that state of the state address in january, and we have to hold him to that commitment. we need his leadership on this issue, and i'm convinced if he decides to leave and move this forward, we can get meaningful campaign finance reform in new york state, and hopefully that will spread like wildfire all across the country and we can begin to take our politics back and advance the best interests

of the people. >> real quick, if people want to learn more, people want to support you, people want to pressure the governor, what is the website? >> www.assembly.stateassemb www.assembly.stateassembly.us. they can also call and kbet the information there about this campaign to move this bill forward. i think we have a real chance to be successful in new york, and i think it will benefit the entire country. >> we'll take the website that he shared with us and we'll put it up on twitter and all the rest of the web aspects as well. i didn't mean to cut you off there as well. i was teasing you as much. there is a certain point where you people are like, dot, dot, dot, you're like, i don't know. it's a sensational idea. i love it. thank you for coming and i really have tremendous respect for your efforts to take this from something that we're talking about.

you're walking the walk, not just talking the talk, and i respect that. >> thank you. up next here, what is the military in corporate america saying about walkitalking the t and not just walking the wall street. [ groans ] [ marge ] psst. constipated? phillips' caplets use magnesium, an ingredient that works more naturally with your colon than stimulant laxatives, for effective relief of constipation without cramps. thanks. good morning, students. today we're gonna continue...

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it's not every day that you need a top gun fighter pilot to turn financial adviser, but it's precisely the background of our specialist today. i want you to meet a man who says corporate america is in need of a military complicate, specifically, plan, brief, execute, debrief. in other words, do you know where you are, do you know where you're going and do you know how you're going to get there? after years of failing with the sector, it's time to understand how to use the systems because how you use them dictates whether they work.

joining us now, lieutenant commander jeffrey lake, co-founder of "topgun on wall street, why the united states military should run corporate america." your argument is very simple. what is it about the way the private sector is interpreting the mission that's wrong? >> everybody thinks the united states military is about discipline, but what it's really all about is about continued process and improvement. that plan of brief, plan, execute and debrief is really the culture issue. >> what about those people that think they're doing it, but they don't understand what that means in a way that forces you to understand when you're in the context of military engagement. >> when in military engagement, you have to execute, but we don't run into straight into military execution.

we actually plan some clear and obtainable objectives. it might surprise you that you plan that mission. when you execute, you're not flying bit seat of your pants, you're executing on a plan you formulated. >> susan. >> on a practical level, what would you tell human resources people to look for or veterans who want to apply on their resume how to translate those skills in the military? often you meet people who said, i've done x, y and z in the military, but it doesn't translate -- a finance person is going to look and say, what does that mean? so how do you translate that? >> it's difficult to translate, and people do have trouble transitioning. transitioning to wall street was difficult. but what you learn in the military, the discipline does translate. >> but how do you explain to somebody, this is what i can do as a veteran and this is what i can do for your organization? >> veterans are people of

accountability, so where i come from of 24 years in the military, leadership is about taking responsibility first and giving credibility to others on an every-single-day basis, and people in the military are really exceptional at standing up and taking the grade. they know about mutual accountability. it's not about the number of weapons you put on your aircraft, it's about the da day-to-day basis. >> karen? >> i guess my question is a little bit on the question of accountability. so in the military, there's more of an honor code, and it seems like on wall street, the problem is there is no honor code and the accountability, it seems easier to sort of hide mistakes rather than own up to those mistakes, so what other kinds of systematic changes would be needed to have more of a public accounting, i guess, to really hold people accountable in wait

i think people are held accountable in the milt taer on a daily basis? >> one of the problems i see, people are allowed to object physici -- obfiscate. it's not like that in the military, so it does come back to accountability day in, day out. that's the way we live our lives in the service. >> but what systems exist in the culture of the service that force a level of transparency in the culture that you're forced to a new accountability that are not part of the private culture which allows for hiding things that folks maybe just couldn't culturally or syic military. >> that's where the execution plan comes into order. if you're laying on an aircraft carrier, if you have a young lieutenant come up and say, admiral you had a bad grade. you come up and take that grade. there is an element of

accountability. >> which creates a circle of men and women judging each other based on the mission, not on their rank. it's pretty profound. >> that's a circle of trust, and that's how you can put your lives in the hands of another person. i've been there landing on a carrier in the milddle of nowhere. and you can only do it because someone has got your back. >> jimmy? >> i run a center for undergraduates, and one thing that separates us from just about every other school in the country is the honor code. you touched on the issue of your honor and duty and accountability. let me ask you this. do you think if wall street had an honor code -- we've alluded to this -- that perhaps we wouldn't have seen nearly the amount of corruption and the widespread immorality, if you will, that we saw over the last decade, if you will? >> i can't agree with you more. the entire idea of the honor concept is the first thing you learn when you get to the united states naval academy.

the men and women are people of integrity. we don't deal in half truths, we only deal in the absolute truth. we don't deal in lies, and you can't come in and obfiscate and deal with the ish -- issue. >> obviously, i think all of us are attracted to the culture and advocates an expansion of that culture rk culture, not just through the lenses of control but through a lens of problem solving and the circles of power to run a society. >> absolutely. a pleasure. congrats on the book. >> thank you very much. are porn sites or religious sites riskier for viruss on your computer? we are back after this.

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at a time when the majority feels to be failing in the minority, whether it be in our politicians or the big money that bankrolls both political parties, increasingly, it is a minority that are not only standing up for what's right, they are doing it no matter what the cost and doing it in ways that sees entirely new possibilities to solve our problems. our next guest has these stories in his book, creating the voice of conscience, and the author has won awards in the past for his social journalism, and it is a pleasure to welcome you into the program. you're also a friend of ari's

which gives you an impressive person of authority. why this book? what are you hoping foam or tak? >> well, we have a political pressure that is striking maybe for lack of courage, lack for people standing up for what they believe in. the book is b as you said, very ordinary people, not heroic types in the traditional sense, who take enormous risks to do what they believe is right, and, unfortunately, pay very dire consequences for that. >> a whistleblower narrative. >> one of them is a whistleblower. i tell a story about a woman in houston, texas. she felt she was being asked to sell a financial product that she felt was being falsely advertised to her clients. it turned out -- and she started asking questions about this product. she got fired. she then wrote to the sec about

this company. that was in 2003. the company turned out to be the stanford financial company, which ran the second largest ponzi scheme in u.s. history. i tell lala's story because she is typical of the other people in the book. she is not someone who went into the financial world cynical about it, disillusioned. you might even say -- i think you would think she was naive about it. she believed that the system had no place for this. >> and there was an honorable culture within the system? >> very much so. and the people in the book are distinct not for their desire to shake up the system but they want to make the system adhere to its own stated ideals. >> maybe you just answered the question, but what do you believe is the common characteristic these individuals share? >> i mean, that's one of them. there is another story in the book of a military prosecutor who went to gouantanamo, darrel

vandeveld, went to guantanamo, was the prosecutor on one or two cases there. and then he got a case that just didn't look right to him, and the more he looked into it, the more he felt the detainee in question actually hadn't done what he was accused of and had been languishing for years. a judge ended up dismiss that go case after the detainee was in guantanamo seven years. darrell vandeveld, like lala, like the other characters in the book, is one who thinks and has a disillusioning experience that made him question this but thinks they will be true to their own state of ideals. >> what is the message, you believe, in these people's experiences and sort of your accumulation of some of the universal principles and also custom environments for these people? what is the takeaway for

somebody else? we have as many viewers, as many people, who are wrestling with a variety of issues, and many people are wrestling with conflicts that are not of their own making, necessarily, but are a rigged nature, things of that nature, how do you feel they could learn from folks like you covered, even how to do it better, how to do it in a way that's less damaging, perhaps, but still effective? >> i think one of the things -- it takes an enormous amount of courage to stand against the group alone. but one of the lessons of the book is that when one person does that and other people hear the story, they sometimes feel less afraid. and in various cases -- in fact, in every case in the book, the person didn't stand entirely alone. when they took a stand, others then took stands. in the case of guantanamo, we had seven u.s. officials who actually stood up, said something, resigned, made a

principal stand of some kind. so one of the lessons of the book is that instead of insti t instinctively dismissing these stories, think that they may have a point in a way that will benefit all of us over time. >> the book is "beautiful souls, saying no and heeding the voice of conscience in dark times." a pleasure to meet you. >> thanks. >> tell ari i said hi. >> i will, indeed. the controversy over mitt romney's gay aide, but here, she's usually hospitable and charming, but who is not welcome in her hometown? the daily rant is next. hello bobby.

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a rant on what is missing from the 2012 olympics in her home country. >> in 85 days, the spotlight will be on my hometown of london. britain is hosting an olympic games. in my view, we will also be hosting an unwelcome guest: saudi arabia. more than 200 nations will participate in this year's olympics. saudi arabia will be the only country attending that has banned females from its team. the olympics is symbolic. its message transcends sport. african-americans earned four gold medals in the 1936 games held in nazi germany. the paraolympics.

the olympics sis unique. it can protest peacefully and powerfully. the olympics were banned from 1942 to 1952 because of aparthe apartheid. but the ioc is clear. it bans any form of discrimination affecting the olympic movement. afghanistan was banned from the 2000 sydney games not only for afghanistan's oppression of women but forbidding them to play sports at all. women cannot play sports in any arab countries except saudi arabia where it bans all women because of a systematic organization. most women are obese.

diabetes is increasing. she has wealthy, progressive parents who allow her to train in europe. how else has saudi arabia gotten away with being in london? for the past few months, the saudis hinted they would reconsider that battle on women when it became technically too late on the ioc conventions to ban the program from the event. the saudis said they would have no females in the game. i call on the ioc to ban saudi arabia, anyway. it sends a message the saudis have to hear. but it's not just about sports. women not representing them are just the tip of the icebergs for violations against their rights. women in saudi arabia cannot drive without a man's permission. they may not work, marry or

travel. the olympics blazes a trail. women athletes were the first athletes of the 1900 paraolympics. 13 months later, britain got its first prime minister. the two are not unconnected. the saudis have played us for fool fools, now it's time for us to make them play by the rules. he should certainly be making a stand now. quite frankly, why sis the bordr control letting the saudis in? >> and the biggest eastern american ally is sawed a rab ud and meanwhile, they're sending them to the olympics. >> we are sounding off. >> you have done the honorable rk