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our lives. if you're squared to that same sinking ship w. left as president, why do you sing the praise of bill clinton so often these days? can we predict the person that will hide is the guy whose policies you're out selling. you put us on that course, mister, and we're going to the same collision. that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" starts right now. welcome to "politicsnation," i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, willard mitt romney has a bridge he wants to sell you. a bridge to nowhere. the question is who is heading to nowhere? today in new hampshire, he stood in front of this bridge built in the 1880s and attacked the president for using stimulus money to restore it. >> you all know the story of
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this bridge, it's part of the stimulus plan. we put in a series of elements critical to the future of america. and you have one right there. this is the absolute bridge to nowhere if there ever was one. that's your stimulus dollars at work. >> well argued. a compelling argument, but here is the problem -- many of the people romney was talking to wanted that bridge. they wanted that bridge restored. the "huffington post" says that new hampshire republicans, including romney supporters, overwhelmingly sported funding to restore their beloved bridge. it created jobs after the economic crisis, and the area around it was built into a public park. the people in new hampshire enjoy it to this day, just $150,000 in stimulus funds were put towards rebuilding the bridge. you shouldn't get too upset at
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that amount, it's what he earns in three days at bain capital. while he is burning bridges, he's giving us the first look at what his presidency would look like in a new ad. be afraid, be very afraid. here is what romney promises. >> what would a romney presidency be like? he introduces tax cuts and reforms that reward job creators, not punish them. >> tax cuts for job creators? that's his first priority? millionaires would get $265,000 in tax cuts under president romney, but the middle class just get $750. let's hear what else he says he will do on his first day on the job. >> president romney will replace obamacare with common sense reform. that's what it will be like.
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>> wonderful willard, way to go on your first day in office. you'll ensure that the 31 million people that rely on the affordable care account for their health care will be uninsured. sounds like a great plan. let's not forget the other things you plan on doing in your administration like increasing military spending. increasing the deficit. and cutting domestic spending. let's not forget about slashing social security and medicare. wow. and to think of what president obama did in his first days of office. he signed the lily ledbetter act into law. he announced ethical guidelines for lobbyist, and signed the stimulus into effect. that's an agenda that worked for the country. but willard things we will be impressed with plans for his
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first day. if he wants us to believe that, i have a bridge i would like to sell him. joining me is melissa harris-perry, and ej dion of the washington post. he is a columnist there. thank you for being here tonight. >> goo to be with you and melissa. >> how does day one of the projected romney presidency sound to you. >> i think we have to take very seriously his point that he would introduce tax cuts. now, i appreciate, first of all, that the president does not actually set tax policy, right? we want to the be clear that he understands how all of this works. that would have to happen for the congress. >> let's assume he does. >> that said, this has been a party, the republican party, has been on a deficit hawk scenario now for, really, since about ten
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days into president obama's presidency. they have been saying our single biggest burden and problem isn't jobs, the economy, it's the deficit. and what we have mitt romney saying, is from the moment i am president, i will add to the deficit. i will make this worse. i will introduce legislation that will create a bigger deficit. >> and he is doing it at the protection of the wealthy, and the protection of the tax cuts that could add huge amounts of moneys to cover the deficit. you know, let me ask you, ej, when you look at the fact, your paper, the latest electoral vote projection, the map shows that president obama 196 solid electoral votes.
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110 toss ups. like iowa, virginia, and new hampshire. how do you read this? the battleground states will decide this in your view? >> i think they will decide it. somebody getting closely to president obama made an interesting point today which is in many of those swing states, not all of them but virginia, ohio, iowa. the unemployment rates are below where they are nationwide. that is not a overwhelming advantage, but it is something we should take into account. i can't resist going back to that bridge reverend that you mentioned at the beginning. and the idea that the federal government should not help build bridges reminded me of something
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rahm emanuel liked to say that the republicans are defined between small government and no government wing. they like to build bridges and they know you can't drive across the river on a tax cut. i think it's remarkable this is what he chose to highlight. if you're against bridge what's are you for? >> small government against no government, the small government is getting smaller every time the small government people talk. >> it feels like the other piece of that is he misses localism. he misses ordinary people and what they care about. for him to stand in front of a bridge that people in that state supported being rebuilt and restored, they're saying you using it to mock president obama is that tone deafness of romney. >> corporations are people.
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let me get back to something you touched on e.j. you talked about how in some of the swing states, unemployment is lower nationally. is that why he is doing a -- blowing an air kiss to bill clinton? let me quote e.j. to e.j. romney was praising the nation previous president and casting him as far superior to the current incumbent. is he trying to play this divide and conquer between clinton and obama? >> he is, i think there are several reasons for that. gallup did a poll and asked how people look at past presidents, and bill clinton rates really high. i think 60% said he would be rated better than he has been
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outstanding, outstanding. secondly, he wants to say bill clinton was more pro-business than obama. then you have to look at who is for what policies? is mitt romney who does not want to go back to bill clinton's tax rates, barack obama wants to for -- >> let's look, clinton and romney. clinton on raising taxes, he raised them, romney is against that, raises taxes on the poor? clinton was opposed to that romney for that. reduce deficit, clinton did that, romney would increase the deficit as you said melissa. >> part of what is interesting here to me was to pivot from reagan. normally the republican candidates bring up over and over again. it allows so many of us who are political watchers to say ronald reagan would be thrown out of the current party. he raised taxes by closing
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loopholes. >> several times. >> multiple times. the idea they kept invoking reagan, i thought it was funny now they will invoke clinton instead. >> is that why we are seeing the politics of distraction, where you're hearing a republican strategist plan to bring jeremiah wright up or other issues, and when romney is confronted about it, he says i stand by what i said, whatever that was. i am amazed every time i watch him say this. watch this. >> i have been disappointed in the president's campaign to date which is focused on character assassination. i certainly hope you get a chance to see our first ad. it's contrasting with the president's ad that came out as a character assassination ad. the centerpiece of his campaign is quite clearly character
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assassination. i'm actually not familiar with what i said, but i stand by what i said whatever it was. >> that's a classic. even for someone that watches this like you. >> that is my second favorite republican quote of the year. the first being newt gingrich's attack on pias bologna. >> he aused the president of running a campaign of character assassination, and he said it several times. >> yes, and it's interesting because you go back to biden's attack on bain capital, he prefaced that about stuff about how romney is a good family guy, which he is. a decent american, a patriot. to take issue with someone on important issues or to raise questions about their own claims
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about what their company did, whether it created jobs or it didn't, that's not character assassination. and you wonder what are they preparing the ground for if they want to use character assassination now. >> the president and vice president have spoke in very positive terms about him as a person. >> here is what he might be talking about. he has two records, one is a record of being governor of massachusetts. he never talks about that record. he can't talk about that record, because if he does, it will be very clear that he is a supporter of the president's health care plan because he passed a very similar one in massachusetts. he doesn't talk about that. >> romneycare. >> right. >> so he can't talk about his own record in massachusetts. that would keep him from earning his conservative credentials. and he doesn't want to talk about -- he wants to say i'm a businessman, but he doesn't want to talk about his specifics
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because he wasn't a job creator. he was a profits creator, a revenue creator, not a jobs creator. so what can we talk about other than the fact that he consistently flip-flops. the only time was in this moment he said i don't know what i said, but i'm not going to flip-flop, i'll stick by it. >> let me get ready for you. he was not a moderate governor. he was an extreme governor. he did extremely bad. >> just compared to where -- >> thanks both of you, have a great weekend. catch melissa harris-perry weekends right here on msnbc. and remember when republicans refused to let women steph at a hearing on women's rights? well, looks like they're up to the same tricks. i'll explain next. plus arizona's top election
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official goes birther and threatens to keep the president off the ballot. a conservative rush in to defend the facebook millionaire revoking his citizenship to avoid taxes. >> if it's a more favorable tax haven that you can find elsewhere and you go there, why is it automatically that you're up patriotic. it's a class envy thing rearing it's head again. ♪ [ male announcer ] whoa, megan landry alert. and she's looking directly at your new lumia, thank you at&t. first, why don't you show her the curved edge... now move on to the slick navigation tiles -- bam, right into the people hub. see megan, colin has lots of friends. hey, colin, what kind of phone is that? whaaa -- oh megan -- when did you get here? [ clears throat ] ohh yea no, let's...
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up next, republicans deny eleanor norton the chance to speak on behalf of her constituents. i can tell you once place she
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can speak her mind. right here.
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welcome back, republicans may claim their war on women as real as a war oncatpillars, but their actions speak louder than words. it was three months ago when daryle iceman held a meeting with an all male panel. now they are silencing another female voice. yesterday they held a meeting on a bill to ban abortions in
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washington, d.c. after 20 weeks. he refused to allow the only female representative to speak. she is a nonvoting member of congress. her words are how she represents her constituents, but republicans did not allow her to speak, sparking outrage. >> her exclusion, and i want to welcome her and apologize for the rudeness being shown to her is an abuse of power. because we have our power does not make it right or moral. i have never seen a colleague treated so contemptuously. >> joining me now is washington, d.c. delegate, eleanor holmes.
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delegate norton, thank you for being here. the hearing was about your constituents. about washington, d.c., and you were not allowed to speak. can you even explain that to me? >> you asked the question i think the right way. first of all, why should there have been a bill on limiting abortions to 20 weeks only for the district of columbia. if trent franks feels so strongly about this, the first thing he should have done was to put in a bill for the nation. he thinks he can bully the district of columbia. to put in a bill only affecting the women and the physicians of the district of columbia. why would you not let the only member of the house or senate that represents the people on whom you wish to impose this 20
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week ban -- why wouldn't you let her have a word. it says the rules say the democrats can only have one witness. and they have chosen a woman who was achgted, a woman that had to have an abortion after 20 weeks. we recommended her. but since it is very unusual to have a bill aimed only at one district, the rules could easily have been waived. trent franks is the author of this bill. he is the chairman of the committee, and he bullied us in every way he could. >> is it a courtesy usually extended to other members to allow members to speak, particularly if it's something that impacts their constituents. and in this case, only your constituents would be impacted. >> all the time. even in this majority, we see members hold panels of members.
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and they have given preference. h they get to speak before the witnesses are called. it's not even a republican rule. he says it's a rule of this committee. what he did say is that the rules allow that the congresswoman can sit on the desk, but she cannot speak, and she cannot ask questions. now reverend al, what i was supposed to do. that was an all male panel. i was supposed to walk up there, sit like a dumb woman, just to be seen, and to integrate that panel with women? and not be able to speak? that was close to an insult right there. >> i wanted everybody to know about it. thank you for being with me. the district of columbia pain-capable unborn child protection act has 193 cosponsors, none in dc.
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thank you for your time tonight, have a great weekend, and keep fights. >> thank you. >> up next, big banks going for willard in a big way. yep. the same willard that wants to cut bank regulation. what a coincidence. president obama released his birth certificate over a year ago. so why is arizona's top election official threatening to keep him off the ballot? [ lopez ] the red white and blue means so much to me.
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it's no surprise that willard mitt romney likes big business. after all, he thinks corporations are people. and the big banks are making it very clear they like willard back. romney's top six donor groups are people and political action committees affiliated with big banks. of course president obama is getting money from wall street too, but willard really got their guy. in fact, the securities and investment industry gave $20 million to the proromney super pac. that's 100 times more than they have given to the super pacs supporting president obama. what's so appealing? well, he wasn't worried when jpmorgan lost $2 billion on trades.
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>> that's the way america works. some people experience a loss in this case because of a bad decision. the $2 million they lost, someone else gained. >> yeah, $2 billion. who would notice that. and it's not a reason to strengthen regulations over wall street, right? >> if i'm president, we'll reign back the regulations and say no to the regulations of the obama years. >> we have to repeal dodd frank. >> willard wants to repeal dodd frank financial reform. romney has remained mostly silent on what, if anything, he would replace the law with. did romney think we wouldn't show why big banks love him so much?
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welcome back, on "politicsnation" with the return of one of the biggest right wing smears in the country, it's the birther issue. we have seen birthers come and go with their absurd questions about the president. but this time, we are hearing it from a republican official who is in charge of elections in a potential swing state. ken bennet is the arizona secretary of state. in a recent interview he said it's possible president obama won't be on the ballot in november. >> i'm not a birther. i believe that the president was born in hawaii, at least i hope he was. i simply went on hawaii's website, down loaded a form, got a $5 money order, and i sent a
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request asking them to confirm or deny if they have a record for him. >> will you remove the president from the ballot? will you exclude him from the ballot? >> that's possible. >> it's possible the president won't be on the ballot? keep in mind it's not just the birther stuff or just arizona. the "new york times" revealed some top strategist presented a 54-page proposal called the defeat of barack obama. now, mitt romney came out against the plan. >> i want to make it very clear i repudiate that effort. i think it's the wrong course for a back or a campaign. >> but the right win attack
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machine is desperate to keep the smear going and going and going and going. >> governor romney, i have to respectfully disagree with you. every candidate though needs to be full i have vetted. that's something the main stream failed to do with barack obama. i think for governor romney to take it off the table he doesn't have to talk about it, but to repudiate those that do -- >> with me is a correspondent for the washington, and west moore, author of "the wes moore." anna marie, is the birther issue back and more mainstream than ever? >> i hope know, it's the medias's fault that it gets
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bigger. there's some people that don't like barack obama hussein obama, and i think there are a lot of people unhappy with how the country is going. some people have not heard of this birther issue, and when you start to talk about it, people are angry and don't like the way he looks. that's a problem he will have to face. i hope we can stop talking about it. like i said, i think there are some people that did not hear about it the first time around and it's because they haven't given it a lot of thought. >> i think if you don't address some of it, their saying this in very private settings that if we're not debunking it, people might not think it's true. mike coffman of colorado was at the fundraiser recently, giving a speech, and he unloaded -- watch this one he unloaded on
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the president. >> i don't know whether barack obama was born in the united states or not. but i do know this. in his heart, he is not an american, he is just not. >> i mean, these sessions are going on, when a tape is put out, they say i didn't mean it that way or modify what they're saying, but if they're not called out and they are not debunked, we don't know who is givend information that is wrong. >> they need to be called out, but it's not giving them too much, not more air time than they justify. if you think about the argument of the secretary of state. this thing was solved, we have an official birth certificate out there. he says he received 1200 letters from those that say they think it's forged. no matter what is produced now,
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they will think that's forged as well. listen, enough is enough, it's been produced, this is authentic, not sure what your definition of a real american is, but the president is justified and is qualified to be in that seat. if you disagree with policy, that's another issue. but to say he is not qualified to be in the seat is different. it needs to be put to rest. >> wes say this was satisfied a year ago, the jeremiah wright controversy was solved four years ago. and they're making proposals to bring that back up, and we saw mitt romney run out and say after he finally read the paper that he denounced it. is this a problem for him? the reason he is trying to disassociate himself from this? >> i think it's interesting, this stuff about the joe
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rickett's document put out. it's not well punctuated. it seems like someone that wants $10 million, not to get into politics. but it is playing on real fears. those are fears that come along with racial politics. this is not really about the code words here are things that you picked up on. they want to catch it in the language of character, and whether or not obama is a real american. and they're talking about race, and that's something that jeremiah wright opened up for them. i think the real problem is that obama went and attended his church, he was not even that serious of an attendee. he's not as angry as reverend wright. he is probably not angry enough.
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>> but wes, not getting into who should be angry or not, is it wise if you're willard mitt romney to open up a discussion on people's past church affiliations and all of that. isn't that wise for him to say let's not go there because he doesn't want that discussion in this campaign? >> i think if mitt romney could be honest, he would say please stop this, this is not helping me. this is not helping my candidacy at all. mitt romney wants to talk about the economy, issues like employment. that's what he wants to talk about. not if the president of the united states spent more time or less time in jeremiah wright's church. we have seen this playbook before. it did not work. mitt romney is becoming the antithesis of the mccain
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campaign. >> anna marie, isn't it true you covered the john mccain campaign, wasn't mccain even more firm in terms of the boundaries that he would set and stop people if they went too far. and he tried to play the gentleman saying the president was, at that point, senator obama was a good guy, he just disagreed with him? didn't mccain run a different campaign trying to pull some of this back when it got out of hand? >> i think he tried to. there is a lot of republican that's say that's why mccain lost. i think mccain like a lot of people of his generation really wanted politics to be about issues. he is uncomfortable talking about issues about religion. i think machinery is as well and would be more comfortable as wes says sticking to issues about
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politics and policy and economics. i think this is a losing way for romney to go. not just because of his own church affiliations that raise questions, and in an immediate history than any of obama's, but it be bomberrang on him. we don't like to be reminded of that, of the ugliness of that history. i think bringing up the wright connection does that. it might work with some part of the gop base, but in such an ugly way it's not worth it. >> i agree with that, thank you both, anna marie cox and wes moore, thank you for joining me have a great weekend. still ahead, a facebook founder gives up his u.s. citizenship and avoids paying millions of dollars in taxes. looks like the right win just found a folk hero. let's hug it out.
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co-founder of facebook. which i am. you better lawyer up. i'm not coming back for 30%, i'm coming back for everything. >> that was a scene from "the social network" where the actors playing facebook co-founder mark zuckerberg tussle for control of the company. going public today made both men instant billionaires. for renouncing his american citizenship and avoiding millions of dollars in taxes. he insist his decision had nothing to do with the taxes, but the right-wing is hailing him as a hero anyway. forbes say those of us who seek smaller government should view him as a hero. it will force a rethink of a tax code that penalizes income and
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investment success. let's raise a glass, he is a true american hero, and listen to rush limbaugh coming to his defense today on his radio show. >> if it's a more favorable tax haven that you can find elsewhere and you go there, why is it automatically you were unpatriotic? it's this class envy thing rears it's head again. >> to get different views on this, i want to go beyond the belt way, see what people are talking about outside of washington. joining me now is heidi harris, and mike papatonio. president of the national trial lawyers association. thank you for joining me tonight. mike, let me start with you. where is the heroism in
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renouncing your citizenship and therefore avoiding taxes. >> reverend, there is no heroism here. the republican leadership has no chance but to make him into a story they can work with. for so long, they told us that it's okay for the wealthiest americans in this country to pay no taxes, for corporations to pay no taxes. republicans routinely argue it's good for america when we let corporations lead the country and not stand up to their responsibility. the gop encouraged and help legalize off shore island banks for wall streeters and people like him. so of course the gop will make him into a poster boy hero because it sties into the ridiculous idea that it's good for america when corporations don't do they duty and that is to pay taxes like the rest of
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us. their argument is that we're overtaxed and he left the country because he is overtaxed even though he said you know what, it had nothing to do with taxes. we know it has nothing to do with taxes. he would admit to this, ki tell you, he would have to admit that corporations are anything but overtaxed. >> let me get heidi in this. let me ask you this. we're told by a lot of people on the right that we should allow people in higher brackets to pay less because they're job creators, how do you translate that into job creation? >> i don't know why anybody is calling them instant billionaires. they have busting their butt for years, for years, protecting it and making it work for all of us. none of them are instant
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billionaires. the left has to decide. either the right -- they're not overtacks as billionaires or millionaires, or they are. if they are overtaxed, i don't blame a guy for leaving. you can't force a guy to stay in america. we don't own him, and he will have to pay a percentage of taxes. >> we're not saying that he can't leave the country. what makes him a hero, and what about that does that fall in line with this whole job creator title they're giving people saying that's why they should be give an lower break and lower percentage than middle class and the working class. >> i tell you why, because i do radio in los angeles, and in california, people are leaving in droves, business owners that create the jobs because they can't afford to survive there financially. when they leave i don't get the next job from those folks. when you punish the people who
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create jobs, that doesn't benefit america. it has case for the entire country on a state or federal level, or a local level, we have to learn from from that, stop taxes them to death and they won't leave. >> it's an example all right, an example of grooed gone crazy in this country. she wants to talk about corporations that use blood, sweat, and tears, they use our roads, police, infrastructure, we give the same corporations that she is so proud of, we give them subsidies and they don't pay taxes. if you look at the facts, $60 billion a year is lost in corporations that don't pay taxes. i have to tell you something. they call that tax avoidance. if we did it, it would be called tax evasion. these same corporations she defending, you know what, we
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lose $100 billion a year because they're so unpatriotic, they want to use our military, our police departments, our infrastructure, but they don't want to give anything back. >> give me a break, what about all of the people in america not doing anything. what about the people sitting around taking welfare and food stamps and everything else. they're producing nothing. and they're deadweight. we have millions of those all over the country. that's the problem, not the corporations. >> what about the people getting food stamps that need food stamps like children. >> you don't need food stamps to buy doritos. >> don't act like everybody getting help that all of them don't need help and are not sitting around doing anything. >> do you know you can buy things like doritos, fritos, do you realize that with those ebt
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cards, and michelle obama is talking about how kids should eat right but we subsidize that. >> you're talking about what they can buy? >> right. >> don't act like all of those that get food stamps and welfare are not sitting around doing nothing. i'm not asking you to itemize what they can buy with it. a lot of them can buy carrots and lettuce too. that has nothing to do with the purpose of food stamps and welfare. we're talking about people that are obviously getting a different kind of bracket, and whether or not they have a obligation to the country. do you agree with that? >> half of the country does not pay federal income taxes, deadweight is not what we need, period. if you have somebody not paying the same amount of taxes, i would rather it be the people producing jobs and not those drags us down. >> reverend you want to talk about deadweight, that's when we
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have wall street steal $13 trillion away from the american public and we give them corporate welfare in the name of, i guess, it's because gee, they made a bad mistake. you're talking about children that can't eat. you're angry because we have a family that acquaint pay for food, but we're giving wall street, it comes right down to it, that crowd, we gave $800 billion to because they were so damn incompetent they lost it in a system that was unlosable. that's corporate welfare. >> i wanted to go outside of washington, because you know how reserved and polished we are here. thanks for your time tonight. we'll be right back with signs of hope for washington.
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folks, sometimes the political landscape is grim. we have birthers and willard out there bashing bridges. it's terrible, but it's also friday. so we want to offer hope. tonight, signs that old wounds can heal and we can all be friends. first, let me take you back a few years to 1998 and the impeachment hearing from bill clinton. then lindsey graham led the charge to oust him. >> i believe he committed serious crimes, but if he would reconcile himself with the law, i may consider a different disposition than impeachment, but if he continues to flout the law, he should not be president. >> today, a much different tone from now senator graham. he gushed over secretary of state hillary clinton at a symposium in washington.
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>> a little pressure on me here because i don't want to ruin a promising political career. i here 2016 will be here soon. i will say nice things about her, so don't hold that against her. she's dedicated to her job. he loves the country. she is a good role model, one of the greatest secretary of states, a greatest ambassador that i have known in my lifetime. secretary hillary clinton. >> and then he walked across the stage and gave her a big hug. see, it doesn't have to be ugly, it doesn't have to be personal, let's get something done for the country, let's not make it so personal we can't get along. in that spirit, i'm calling one
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