because they know what they're doing, their son or their brother, or whoever they might be, they know they're in rockford dealing dope. there's two ways out of that. you're going to the penitentiary or you're going to end up dead. what's this about? >> to be honest with you? this isn't really about anything. this is about us.

>> danielle? danielle? >> shhh. >> danielle, if you could go back and fix anything in your life, would you? >> yes. >> where is this house located? >> in flint. >> do you know what street it's on? >> oklahoma.

>> the incident began at a house on oklahoma avenue in flint, michigan. a 19-year-old waitress, danielle taylor, went to visit a group of friends she hadn't known for long. within days, the friend were behind bars facing charges including kidnapping and assault. the friends claim they were making a movie that night. and danielle was acting in. she said she knew nothing and that she believed she was going to die. when the film was eventually made public, many people in flint were shocked. and asked themselves how their young people could possibly have thought this was a game. >> it's hard to blame anybody for what happened that night. blame the town of flint for being so boring that there's nothing to do that these kids have to do these kinds of stuff to entertain themselves. >> when general motors closed

most of its factories, it had a big impact on flint. jobs were scarce and it has one of the highest crime rates in the u.s. >> jimmy. hey, what are you doing? >> jimmy carlyle and derek fastlanger are two of the defendants. they both have grown up in flint. >> do you still want to hang out and whatnot? yeah, i know. average day. it's friday. still nothing to do. ♪ >> my mother wanted me to stop going over towards oklahoma, because she knew there were bad elements there that could possibly get me into trouble. and turns out, mom's always right.

i got ahold of jimmy and we decided, hey, let's go hang out and party together tonight. so we got together about 6:00 and ended up going back to the house. and after we got back there, we sat around, [ muted ], drank, watched some movies. danielle was there, christina, me, john, trav and jimmy. >> at 11:00 p.m. the mood suddenly changed when travis reached for a camera. what you're about to see is from the unedited tape shot that night. picked over for clues ever since, it reveals an apparently terrifying ordeal. but it is all that it seems? among the many twists and half truths in this case lies one central mystery -- was danielle taylor a willing participant? >> say hello. >> hi. >> okay. i have a question for you, you just said hi.

>> mm-hmm. >> but if you had one thing to say, like this was your last day on earth, what would it be? [ inaudible ] >> take a drink. >> i don't know. >> hey, can you do me one favor? >> no. say, "ready, set, go." fine, i'll do it, ready, set -- jimmy! >> do you want me to go. >> how you doing? i take it it's been better, huh? just think, you're better right now than you're going to be in half an hour. that's sure. you can move all you want. you can scream even if you'd

like. if you like i'll help. somebody help! >> travis is really outspoken, not afraid to state his opinion at all. he's a man's man, travis is like a man's man, you know. very athletic. very competitive. he's a ladies' man too. we all call him the ladies' gnome, because he's short. >> hey, john, jimmy, smile and say hi. >> hi, mom. >> those are my boys. >> mom, look at me! i'm going to be a little bit late for school today. i was too busy, you know, kidnapping and killing some girl. everybody, i love you and i'm sorry for everything. to you guys, i really don't have much to say to you guys, because i can't say nothing. y important to understand how math and science kind of makes the world work. in high school, i had a physics teacher

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danielle is tied up by john cockrell and jimmy carlyle, but the effective r iviveness of thg will later be called into question. how serious about the kidnapping were they? >> we're going to be called heroes. >> trying to get around here. hey, derek, you're an accomplice. why don't you say hi? [ inaudible ] >> what have you got to say? >> all i have to say is, to be able to know pain, is to accept death. >> the thing is -- she's kicking like a little [ bleep ]. >> do you know what pain is? >> hey, derek, give me a smile. >> what really makes me tick is getting under people's skin. making them aggravated and make them think about what their beliefs are and maybe that they are wrong. >> if you scream and you fight

we put a gag in your mouth and throw you in the trunk. >> no. >> if you're relaxed and accept death and what's coming to you, and take it like a real [ muted ] woman would, and then you just accept fate and realize what's going to happen and stop fighting. >> don't -- don't struggle. >> she's watched many of these. >> you guys are [ bleep ] psycho. >> you're the one who wanted to hang out over here. >> i never realized you guys are psycho. >> you realized just in time! this is your debut! >> this is great, man! i'm feeling granny, man! >> i'm a fun-loving guy. i always try to get everybody to laugh, comfort people when they're sad. we're not bad people. we're not violent people. we're just bored, drunken kids.

you know? we're just out looking for fun. >> any movement, if you even [ muted ] sneeze for half an hour, i'll slit your throat. >> well, i want to be comfortable -- >> since everybody finally realizes you're behind this plot in getting the girls over here, why don't you say a little something into the camera? >> a little something into the camera. >> that's my girl. >> me and christina never got along and i don't like to talk about it that much because a lot of this i have to think is it's all her fault. the reason this happened is because of jealousy. >> for a second i thought somebody was at the door. keep the dog in there.

>> four of the friends leave the house and put danielle in the back of a car. christina is driving. derek stays behind. danielle is taken to the woods half an hour outside of town. >> every demon, every [ muted ] ghost you have in your past, everything that you've ever wanted to say, i'm sure we'll all see this later, i'm sure we'll all be dead or in prison, but you might as well say them right now. >> travis, he's the strong one. he never breaks down. and nothing could ever hurt travis. that's what a lot of girls think because he's so big and macho and that's what i thought about him. he just had that image where he couldn't ruin that image. he had to be that strong person, and that's how he was. >> the last girl, she said nothing in this car ride. you know why? >> why? >> because she never made it out

of the house. she was in the trunk on this ride. >> in this section of the tape, danielle's apparent terror and the use of a knife will become crucial evidence for the prosecution. >> i have a million people that [ muted ] me. you can't let it [ muted ] bother you. you have a countdown. you have 15 seconds to say whatever you want to say. >> as they approach the woods, travis tells danielle to say good-bye to her family. >> mom, everybody, i love you and i'm sorry for everything. and to you guys, i really don't have much to say to you guys, because i can't say nothing. >> why can't you say anything? >> was your life good? >> yes -- well, it was. >> did you think that before you came over? >> yes.

>> within days, the film is in the hands of the police and the five friends are all in custody. >> ow. >> i woke up to probably seven state troopers in riot gear swarming up the stairs into my bedroom and shotguns in the face. they took me and they ripped me out of my bed. threw me around, handcuffed me on the floor, picked me up, tossed me down the stairs. and then all of a sudden we're on the news being seen as serial killers. i felt like jeffrey dahmer walking around in a pair of oranges. you know, just overkill. way overkill.

>> calling people versus carlyle, number 0675, cockrell, number 0674. >> now the five defendants have to face danielle taylor at a pre-trial hearing in court. if convicted of kidnapping, they face a minimum of nine years and a maximum of life in jail. >> date and time set for preliminary examination, prosecution ready to proceed? >> yes, your honor. we call danielle taylor. >> two questions lie at the heart of the case. did danielle know she was acting in a movie? and was she taken from the house to the woods against her will? >> do you solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in the cause now pending is the truth, so help you god? >> i do. >> please take your seat and spell your last name for the court reporter. >> t-a-y-l-o-r. >> and your full name for the record? >> danielle taylor. >> do you recall whose home you were at in the evening hours of march 6th? >> travis.

>> and do you remember who else was present in the late evening hours of march 6th? >> yes, i do. christina lum, gym carlyle, derek faxlinger, travis, and john cockrell. at approximately 11:00 p.m. we were just hanging out, having fun, drank a little bit and supposed to be just a little get-together. >> well, frankly, it was one of the most repulsive, sadistic things i've ever seen in 24 years. >> within two months all the defendants have been released on bail until their case is resolved. but the prospect of life imprisonment hangs over them. >> abc 12 michael rosenfield spent the day in lapeer county district court. he joins us now with the story. michael?

>> angie, this is the first time we've heard and seen the victim in this case, 19-year-old danielle taylor. >> the media descends on flint when the tape is released by one of the defense lawyers. >> it was all a prank. >> she's hung out there before. she has hung out there. >> it was just -- it was really, it was demented if you think about it. >> the videotape shows four individuals who are extremely mentally traumatizing another individual. >> local journalist jim smith has been following the case from the start. >> this kidnapping case is one of the strangest things i've ever covered. for me, this is in the top four or five of all the cases that i've covered in 20 years. you had such diverse opinions on both sides of this case. you had people that thought it was nothing and you had people who thought it was extremely serious. the community was totally split over whether these kids were the most evil thing that ever happened or they were just kids that pulled a prank.

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when i first saw the tape, i was taken aback. i got the sense right out of the chute that the girl was legitimately scared. and i didn't think that she was faking. and i had to watch it a few times for it to really sink in. >> danielle absolutely knew what was going to take place that night. she was over at their house the night before. they had sat around and talked about having done this before and doing it the next night. >> i walked into the house and they had the camera on. travis asked me to speak to the camera. out of the corner of my eye i had seen something and i moved to the other side of the room. >> jimmy. >> they started attacking me. they wrestled with me until they got me to the ground. i was fighting with them, trying to get away.

i didn't manage to get away. one of them tied my feet together first. i was still fighting. and then they managed to get one hand tied. they flipped me over and then they tied my other hand behind my back. at one point travis said not to fight, scream, kick or anything, or i will die. >> and were you participating in some type of a play or a movie at this point? >> not that i know of. i didn't believe that i was. >> we told her in advance anyway. she knew about this four or five days in advance. told mr. that, you know, we would kidnap her, take theory a hole and we had nothing written down. everything was ad libbed. we just told her we was going to get her -- we was going to get her one night, so be prepared. >> you guys are [ muted ]

psycho. >> really? >> you're the one that wanted to hang out over here. >> yeah, well, i never realized you guys were psycho. >> hey, you realized just in time! it's your film debut! john, you watch her for just one second, all right. >> they all started talking amongst themselves. and i do believe it was john who blindfolded me. >> and after you were blindfolded do you remember any other statements? >> that still if i kicked or screamed or fought, that i would not make it offer the house alive. >> do you remember who said that? >> travis did. >> defense lawyers focus on the detail of the tape to make their case. they claim danielle's announcement that her hands were untied shows she was joining in with the film. >> i don't know if you care about the rope, but it came off my arm. >> they had given her some

specific threats at that point in time, telling her that she was going to be harmed if she tried to get away. i think she's just trying to make them understand that "i'm not trying to escape." >> there's a part where she reaches up scratches her nose and puts her back behind her back. unless she's triple jointed she could never do that. she put her hand back behind her back and they continued filming. >> danielle, like i said -- >> right before she gets in the car and scratches her nose, we're again in a situation where they've given her a clear choice, we're either going to do this hard the way or the easy way. at that point in time too she's sort of tried to placate them and played along and thought that she was going to make a shot at getting away. >> i never thought she was scared or anything like that.

thought that we were going to kill her with the knife that was taped. >> defense focuses on the fact that the knife blade was covered with tape. >> i'm looking at the knife right there and you can see there's something around the end it but it's very thin. i don't know how that would disguise the end of a knife. she's moving her head and he's got that knife right in front of her head. >> if she would have said stopped, we would have stop. but she never said, stop, don't do this to me. if she would have, we would have done it. we would have stopped. but she never said stop, so we never honestly thought she was frightened. we never thought she thought her life was in danger or we would have stopped. >> you can't let little [ muted ] bother you. nothing can get in your way of what you and you want to do unless you let it. >> she's a darn good actress if she's acting there. i think she's clearly confused. i think at that point she's got some questions about what's happening. i don't think she's -- she has no idea what they're planning. and i think that sort of

summarizes the case. you've got half the people that think it's a joke and the other half who's thinking like she is, that she's terrified. here's this knife that she can't see, and he's touching her with it. >> jimmy carlyle, out on bail, having served two months, is living back home with his father. >> i'll go down fighting because i want my name cleared. it's scary. i don't know what's going to go on. i don't know if i'm going to walk out of the courtroom on the last day or if i'm going to be handcuffed and sent to jackson prison, you know. my whole life is riding on 35 minutes of a drunken movie. >> this whole incident has flipped my life upside down kind of. the only thing on any of our minds that i was aware of was hey let's get together and watch some movies and party.

and that's pretty much what i did and found out all this other stuff kind of happened around me. truthfully at some point i do think she looked scared and that might come with maybe she was acting. i don't know. i really couldn't comment what really went on. i wasn't around it. >> it took two days for danielle to go to the police. and the way in which the tape reached them was to raise questions about her state of mind after the filming. the defense suggests that perhaps she was not so afraid of her attackers after all. >> the fact that she wasn't afraid to go over there. she wasn't, you know, she allegedly was afraid for her life, from these people that had threatened to kill her and she really believed it was true, but yet the next day or two days later, she goes over there on her own volition to steal the tape.

>> two days after the incident, danielle went back to oklahoma avenue to retrieve the tape. defense lawyers claim this proves she was a consenting participant in the film and that her motive for going to the police was not fear, it was romantic revenge. they questioned why she would ask jimmy to drive her back to the house if she had ever been truly afraid for her life. >> she wanted somebody to come pick her up that night when we all watched the film together. so we drove and i picked her up and she rode with me from here to the east side of flint. >> you indicated to trooper rogers that you wanted to get the tape. >> yes. >> is that correct? >> yes. >> why did you want to get the tape? >> because if they found out i had gone to the police they could destroy it. if i acted like i was friends with them and went over and

watched the tape, they wouldn't believe that i would be getting the tape or that i could be taking this to court. i do believe that think didn't know that i was that upset about it. at first it was just talking, hanging out. i asked to watch the tape. we didn't sit down and all watch the tape together. but i ended up watching pieces of the tape. i just left it in there for a little while and then everybody had gone out of the room, nobody was anywhere to be seen so i took the tape out and switched it with a different tape. >> we never noticed that the tape was gone. it was nothing of our concern, anyways. because we didn't know that she was planning anything like that. we didn't know she was actually terrified. if she's that terrified why did she ride alone with me in the car and why did she put herself in danger to come back to us? >> if danielle was in on it, why

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what originally made you actually start coming over here? >> turn it down a little bit. >> travis. >> travis? what was it about travis that made you start hanging around here. >> i thought he was a nice guy. >> i am a nice guy, aren't i? i've been trying to go nice through this whole thing. >> she had a crush on travis. it was plain to see, it was easy to see that she had a crush on travis. >> did he have a crush on her? >> no, no. >> travis had a variety of girls, i guess. girls kind of flocked to him. it's kind of nice, but i think he was seeing sarah or christina. i think danielle might have had a crush on him and seeing my friend jessica too, i think. >> i don't know what it was, to tell you the truth. it was his eyes. it was his eyes. i can't -- i really can't explain why i was attracted to him when i was. it's just something that you

kind of fall into. >> at the time of the incident, travis was living with christina lum, but danielle and sara both had their eye on him. >> christina and danielle were competitive against each other because they both had a crush on travis so they were competitive, a lot of tension. they didn't care for each other. >> the day after the alleged kidnapping, danielle called oklahoma avenue and spoke to christina and then to travis. she had an odd question to ask. >> let me ask you this, miss taylor. you, in fact, contacted certain individuals at that home after this incident took place? >> yes, i did. >> and you specifically mentioned my client, christina lum, who was your friend in high school, correct? >> not friend. >> you spoke to her about the availability of mr. peya. >> yes. >> potential relationship with travis? >> yes. >> there were a lot of girls that were interested with travis but they didn't have a chance.

they thought they did, but they didn't. they tried to get him to like them, tried to do anything. they tried to hard and obviously he didn't like that. >> you said you talked to travis? >> yes. >> was that by phone? >> yes. >> what did you talk to him about? >> why he did it. >> what'd he tell you? >> he said, do you know how much power we had over you when we did that? it was basically a power trip and it's a rush. >> people in flint had to ask, did their city have so little to offer that a group of friends were driven to entertain themselves this way? >> i asked flint, many grievances with this city. a city of a cesspool and filth

and disgust. no jobs, nothing to look forward to. nobody wants to be the person 20 years from now still stuck in this nothingness. >> a week before the night that i stopped over there, they went through another skit with a different girl. went through the struggle scene and this thing with her. and, you know, i like movies, but i don't know if i'm into that, so i kind of took off. >> the woman derek saw it happen to is sara holquist. the recollections of the events of that night differ. >> one day i just walked into travis's room and they just started wrestling with me and throwing me on the ground and just saying, you know, we're going to kidnap you and like, blah, blah, blah. i'm like, okay, guys, i'm not in the mood today, this isn't

funny. i don't want to do it. and they kept on doing it more, and i'm like, okay, just stop. >> the reaction we got out of >> sara would have been awesome to get on tame, because that was better than any acting, that was oscar-winning material right there. >> i was not scared. >> she absolutely flipped out. she -- we stopped, she was so scared we stopped. we did it for three minutes and stopped. we were afraid she was is going have a heart attack, go into convulsions or seizures. she absolutely flipped so we stopped. >> it was muddy when they did it to me. so they did not stick me in the hole. i remember saying, and i feel horrible for even saying this, i remember they got the handcuffs out -- or not handcuffs, but they got the rope off me, and i was like, why didn't you guys videotape that. you could have made so much money off that. and two weeks later my friends are getting arrested for videotaping a kidnapping. >> apparent sara holquist wasn't

the only other person subjected to this treatment. jimmy suggested that they had even done this to one of their own group, christina lum. had they been told in advance? the stories conflict? >> they told me they were going to do it before they did it. i remember where we were sitting when they said it. >> sara wasn't sold beforehand. i don't know if christina was or not. >> why didn't you tell danielle? >> she didn't know us as long as the other girls did. she didn't know us as long and as well. we didn't want to scare her or flip her. we wanted to film. so we wanted her permission for that too. >> if the defendants are claiming that she knew that they were is going film her and do something, but she didn't know what, you still have the problem in this case in a kidnapping crime that if you're going to move somebody, abduct them against their will, then that is the crime.

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in what happened that night and how i got in trouble that kind of get to me still. and personal reasons on how they treat different girls that i'm friends with. >> in august 2002, the defendants' case that it was a pre-planned movie is seriously undermined. christina lum agrees to a plea bargain with the prosecution. she claims that no one told danielle what was going to happen that night. the defense now focuses on the final scene at the grave site. >> danielle. danielle? danielle, i'd stop right now. >> i'm not doing anything. >> you're talking. you're talking. you're talking.

>> christina agrees to testify that danielle was not told about the prank in advance. she pleads guilty to reduced charges of attempted felonious assault and is given a six-month sentence, which is suspended pending the successful completion of probation. >> christina got upset. so i don't know, i've heard lots of rumors. really didn't have much involvement in what went on or know what went on. just kind of the unlucky eyewitness. >> christina also confirms that derek passed out on the couch early on. his charges are reduced and he receives a $200 fine. >> my concept of friendship has kind of changed. i start hanging out with friends that i probably should have been hanging out with all along. i still hang out with jimmy once

in a while but we're both working and we've been friends for a long time and we can't turn our backs on each other even if we have different views of what happened that night. >> the other defendants' cases remain open. jimmy carlyle explains the charges he faces. . >> felonious assault without intent to harm, that carries up to four years. there's conspiracy to felonious without intent to harm. that carries up to four years. there's kidnap and that carries 25 years. then there's conspiracy to kidnap, which carries 25 years. so all together i'm facing 58. >> now that christina has agreed to testify for the prosecution, the closing moments of the tape as danielle are carried into the woods are even more critical for the defense. >> travis carried me down to the boat. i knew i was outside.

it was cold. i could feel the -- well, i knew we were stepping on snow, but that's all i knew. >> shhh. >> guys, set her down on there. set her down, face up. >> jim and john placed me in a hole. they said it was my grave. i was going to be buried alive. >> danielle? daniel danielle? danielle, i'd stop right now. >> i'm not doing anything! >> you're talking. you're talking. you're talking. they're going to set you down. as soon as you say one word, i promise to christ you won't say another. we're giving you the chance, for what it's worth, enjoy what you have left. >> john was whispering in my

ear, telling me step by step what they were going to do. he said that they were going to bury me alive. they were going to slit my throat and they were going to leave me there. >> what did you think at that point? >> that i was going to die. >> danielle, i'm going to ask you one last time while you've still got time, if you could go back and fix anything in your life, would you? >> yes. >> you honestly would? >> yes. >> i'm not sure who said that they wanted me to see this. they wanted me to look at where i was at. someone took my blindfold off. >> do you know who? >> i'm not positive right now. >> when your blindfold was removed, what did you see? >> i saw that i was sitting in a grave. travis was talking to them. they were still recording. christina had the camera on. >> do you with really hate me,

danielle. >> i don't hate anybody. >> even though i was a bitch to you, you don't hate me. >> no. >> thanks. >> well, what do you say, guys? >> i think it's time. >> it's time? >> yeah. >> you get the honors, right? >> yeah. >> travis said that it was his kill, it was his turn to do it. then he managed to get over the hole and act like he was slicing my throat. >> where was the blindfold? >> it was on my throat still. >> and what did he do with the knife? >> he put it across my throat in a slashing motion. >> what did you feel? >> i felt the blade, but it wasn't like touching my neck really hard. >> congratulations. you're dead. welcome to the afterlife. >> she's clearly acting, because we know her throat wasn't slit. we know she's not dead, but she

pretended. she acted. she went along with the play, as she was doing all along. >> if a person thinks they're having their throat slit, do they really know what it feels like? number one? number two, if you didn't do a good job, she leans forward, she thinks that she may be to at least fein her death. >> that's never happened to me. so i don't know how i would react. i don't know if i would be waiting for the blood to run out or what. but i think it's hard to make a case that her reaction to that proves it's a movie. you know, she may be stunned, she may be shocked, she may still be confused about what it all is, but i don't think it means she's part of it. in high school, i had a physics teacher by the name of mr. davies. he made physics more than theoretical, he made it real for me.

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we only have like 38 seconds left. here, john, you take the camera. >>ion? do you want to do the roll?

>> let's get that. let's get the cast. >> hello? we got trav. >> what, you started with me? dude, i'm blushing. >> killer number with one. >> i'll be here all weekend. >> jimmy, the fat man. the victim -- i can't remember her name. >> danielle. >> and the director, me. >> who wrote it! who wrote it! >> we did. you did, mostly. >> oh, ya. >> let's get her out of there. >> i survived and i'm freezing and my arms hurt. >> if you move anymore, i swear to god -- all right? >> at the end of the tape, there's a brief flash where she's crying and seems very relieved and happy, and i think that anybody who thought or had

been through this mind game, and it's a very significant mind game, would be relieved. >> with that reaction you would expect to be one of anger, one of like, you know, with a lot of foul language, i can't believe you guys did this to me, this was a very cruel, cruel and inhumane joke to play on a person. you know, you wouldn't expect them to just be like, oh,. >> she's still with these people, she's not free of them, so she's probably -- anybody would be careful not to do something that would further antagonize these folks. >> i can't remember her name. >> danielle. >> danielle! >> because he doesn't know her name, i think that that enhances the prosecutor's case that, look, she's not a part of the act. she doesn't get up and laugh and take a bow herself. she doesn't give her credits, where credit would be very much due if she were acting. >> i think these five kids know the difference between right and wrong. i think the problem was that in

their kind of strange group dynamics, this to them wasn't wrong. this was a joke. this was some kind of prank, and they never equated it with the fact that the victim didn't have any clue what was going to happen to them. so to them, for some reason, they didn't recognize that as wrong. >> i think they took it too far, mentally. they shouldn't have maybe tore a person down that much for their own enjoyment. i think that's wrong. >> if you could say something to danielle right now, what would it be? >> i'm sorry if i caused you any pain. we didn't plan to cause you any pain. i don't know what went on, what's going on in your head, but we meant no harm. we meant no harm and i'm sorry if we did harm you.

>> i want this to be over with. i don't want to be recognized for anything. i want to go on living my life and not have people look down at

me because, oh, you're that kidnapper guy or anything like that. i just want to live my life, back to normal, back before all this. i just want to be who i was. >> in 2003, jimmy carlyle, travis peya and jonathan cockrell all plead no contest to charges of kidnapping and assault. jimmy is sentenced to four months and travis peya and jonathan cockrell each get eight months. all three had their sentences suspended pending the successful completion of probation, at which point the kidnapping charges will be removed from their records.