successful. is that what we want? if you listen, this is precisely what the man from bain is out there selling. that's "hardball" for now. "politicsnation" starts right now. >> welcome to "politicsnation," i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, dramatic news in the race for president. "politicsnation" can confirm this evening rumors about mitt romney. folks, he was, indeed, the governor of massachusetts. something he doesn't like to talk about. something his supporters try to ignore, but we hunted through our archived and found the proof. check it out. here is romney getting sworn in back in 2003. here he is signing the state's universal health care law, and here he is admiring the state's official portrait of himself. folks, most governors who run

for president play up that experience. it's their main qualification for the job. but romney is playing it down. in fact, one article calls his four years at governor the lost years of mitt romney. and when romney does bring it up on the campaign trail, it's often as a punch line. >> that skill, learning the private sector, and practiced for four years in massachusetts -- >> di not spend my life in government, only four years, i didn't inhale. >> i spent four years as governor, i didn't inhale. >> okay. last month when he gave a speech billed as his pivot to the general election, he didn't mention massachusetts by name even once. he literally didn't even say the

word. the only time he said the word governor was to talk about his dad. >> only in america could a man like my dad become governor of a state where he once sold paint from the trunk of his car. >> he talks about his dad's time as governor but not his own. i wonder why. joining me is joan wal mush, an david bernstein. david. let me start with you. under governor romney, massachusetts ranked 47 out of 50 in job creation. 220,000 people fled the state to find work elsewhere, and the debt increased by more than 16% leaving massachusetts with the

highest per capita debt in the nation. given all of that, are you surprised he doesn't talk much about his record as governor? >> no, and i think you can replay a lot of what he said when he was running for governor to what he is talking about now. he said my experience as the head of bain capital and business will translate into improving the economy here in massachusetts. he said i'm going to talk to ceos and get them to relocate here, improve the economic conditions, and then it didn't play out that way and that didn't happen, and massachusetts was one of the slowest growing states economically for that next several years. so he is making the same exact case now, of course, on the higher stage as president. it's very similar to the case he made then that didn't come through. >> so he used his experience as ceo of bain capital when he was running for governor, and promised that he knew how to bring in business and how to

grow the economy of the state that he is using now to run all 50 states? >> that's exactly what he did. he also talked about how he knew he was going to solve the state's deficit problems because he knew how to get there and find the waste and abuse and so forth. it was very much the same kind of arguments. as you mentioned at the top, he came in, and was not the kind of governor he wants to talk about when he was addressing republican primary voters. he had a lot of agenda items on housing and environment and a lot of that he didn't accomplish because he realized he would run as a conservative and didn't want to run on that record. >> let me go to joan, you did cover him, right? >> the whole time and since. >> so you can confirm he was governor? >> yes.

we could see him there. >> i want to make sure i connect all the dots. joan, let me show you the present governor on romney's time as governor. this is what governor patrick, the present governor of massachusetts had to say. it says it's weird for him to talk about what he wants to do in government and not make reference to what he actually did in government. he was more interested in having the job than doing the job. he, mr. fix it, didn't fix it. very interesting comments, wouldn't you say, joan? >> very interesting comments. i also want to congratulate you for the scoop and getting to the bottom of this mystery. >> thank you, we worked hard to get it. >> i know, thank you for doing it. mitt romney acts like a guy that's been in a witness protection program. he trying to run on bane and

then is uncomfortable when people look at what bain did and he is uncomfortable with his record as governor. i want to go back to what you played the times he joked i didn't inhale. for the younger people in our audience, bill clinton said he smoked marijuana but didn't inhale. mitt romney is comparing using illegal drugs, to being the governor of one of our greatest states. the cradle of american democracy. that is the disrespect that he shows to the people of massachusetts and to the role of government. and now he wants to lead the entire country? what will he say about being president god forbid if he became president. >> it's not even a funny line,

joan. >> it's not funny anymore. >> let me go back to you, david. when he was running in 2002 for governor, you mentioned because he is running now, he doesn't want to show a lot of what he did as governor because he's trying to run as a conservative. let's look at what he was saying when when he was running in 2002 when he wasn't a conservative. >> i'm not a partisan republican, i'm moderate, my views are progressive. >> it's a burden for people to run with an r after their name, it's clear to people across the commonwealth know that my r stands for reform. reran as a progressive and reformer for massachusetts, now he is running for president and all of a sudden, he wasn't

governor of massachusetts, and he is the toast of the far right. >> yeah, and when he says it's tough as a republican, that's not even really true. we had a series of republican governors elected here, him being the last one. he ran as a moderate, and i think he began to governor as a moderate. what happened after 2004 as he started looking toward his presidential aspirations and really thinking he would be up against john mccain and rudy giuliani, who he thought were not conservative favorites, he saw an opening on the right, so he needed a more conservative record and then he was opposed to gay marriage, had a u turn on abortion rights, and abandon a number of other initiatives and

environment policy initiatives he started and then swore off of. all of that is sort of forgotten lore, you know, that you're uncovering as you say, it's forgotten lore as far as a biographical information. i think he intended to have a checklist of items of what to do with government that he now ignores. . >> joan, who is this guy? someone that can make such a drastic turn around. he made a complete flip. >> nechbt four years since he last ran for president, so he is capable of changing his tune in a very short span of time. there's one thing i would really like to point to you in his record they think is so relevant to the issues that we're talking about here today, and he cut, dramatically cut higher

education funding so fees and tuition for the public university system in massachusetts went up 63% under his four years as governor. >> under governor romney, he cut funding to education and fees went up 63%? >> in those four years. >> that's the same governor romney that spoke about education as a civil right. >> a civil right, top priority, and you can just borrow money from your parents if you can't afford it. so he joined, you know, a slew of republican governors that crew that public commitment to higher education that distinguished this country in the '50 through the '70s. i think the democrats will talk a lot about that part of his record. >> david, let me show you this before we go. here is the official portrait of romney as governor. if you look closely at the lower

right corner, you'll see a folder with a medical symbol imbollizing his universal health care law. now he doesn't want to talk about it at all. maybe it's part of the rebirth for becoming a republican. >> we like to joke the guards are in the state house to keep his people from coming in and painting over that folder. >> thank you both of you for being with me tonight. ahead, willard has done it again. said the president is attacking capitalism, but we all know it's not true, right mr. president? >> we believe in the free market, we believe in risk

taking and innovation. you don't make america stronger just by shipping jobs and profits overseas. >> the lawmaker who said president obama was not an american was asked to explain himself on camera, and all he could say was this. >> i stand by my statement, they misspoke and i apologize. i stand by my statement, that i wrote, i misspoke, and i apologize. >> i stand by my statement, i misspoke, and i apologize. >> and picture perfect, this picture of a 5-year-old touching president obama's head hangs in the west wing three years later, and why it's inspiring and uplifting to millions of americans. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. [ female announcer ] the next generation of investing technology

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>> is mitt romney being honest with the american people? he was at it again today, early in the morning. today is gonna be an important day for us. you ready? we wanna be our brother's keeper. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. how bout ya, joe? let's go ahead and bring it online. attention on site, attention on site. now starting unit nine. some of the world's cleanest gas turbines are now powering some of america's biggest cities. siemens. answers. diarrhea, gas or bloating? get ahead of it! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day

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understand how the free economy works. all he wants to do is talk about the failures why he is misrepresenting the nature of free enterprise. >> they touted president obama's supposed attacks on free enterprise. romney wants to convince voters president obama doesn't believe in capitalism. because if the president doesn't believe in capitalism, he must believe in something else, like socialism, marqsism. here is what president also says about the free market. >> we believe in the free market. we believe in risk taking and innovation. >> what governor romney and my opponents don't understand that a healthy economy doesn't just mean maximizing the profits of

some. that's important, that's part of our free market, but not if it's purchased at the cost of massive layoffs, or you're busting unions. you don't make america stronger by shipping jobs and profits overseas. >> how is that possibly an attack on capitalism? do you think willard would be willing to put a $10,000 bet on that? joining me now is dana milbank, and also a visiting professor of journalism at the university of georgia. let me start with you cynthia. this romney attack is just not true first of all, shouldn't that matter? >> well, during this political season we're going to hear a lot of things that are not true. it is convenient and useful for

mitt romney to accuse president obama of not believing in capitalism because that's been the conservative argument against him for the last four years. he is a socialist trying to take the country in the direction of western europe. sometimes he is a communist, i can't keep up with all the names. if he doesn't support capitalism, tell that to the stock market, it is booming. companies are holding billions of dollars in cash, and rich people are doing just fine. if obama doesn't like capitalism, the stock markets have not gotten the message. >> dana, when you take her last daytime, the dow is up 58% since president obama took office. fortune 500 companies record

$824 billion profit in 2011. private sector job growth for 26 straight months. clearly good for business and capitalism. what is romney doing here? there's more at stake than what he's saying. it's like he needs a different narrative to try and really take this president down. >> yeah, i think that's right, reverend. the benefit that president initiated here regarding bain is one that's been going on for a long time. i wrote about this more than 20 years ago when i was at the wall street journal that is not an anti-capitalist business. they are not earning the huge fees they g or if they are causing harm by making short-term decisions they sacrifice as long term decisions. that's very serious in the capitalist system. there's a weak tons that

argument, and that's why romney is pushing back in this way. >> now cynthia, president obama yesterday say romney wants to bring back failed bush policies, let me show you what he said first. >> governor romney is saying my 25 years in the private sector gives me a special understanding how our economy works. well if that's true, why is he pedaling the same bad ideas that brought our economy to the brink of collapse. most good business people i know, if something doesn't work, they do something different. he must think there will be a different result, or he is hoping you don't remember what happened the last time we tried it his way. >> cynthia, is part of the motive of willard romney and his campaign to make this about the president being anti-capitalist

because he can't run an advocate what he is doing without reminding people about the bush tax cuts and what happened under bush? so he has to try to put this in another narrative as i said today? >> i haven't heard a thing from governor romney that suggest he has a plan that is any different from what george bush did for eight years. he said he will not raise taxes and he will increase military spending significantly. that's the same economics that got us into an incredible deficit hole. in fact, it just makes we crazy that conservatives blame president obama for the whopping deficit. it started under george w. bush with the very same policies. you remember in the clinton years, the end of the clinton

years, the budget was balanced, we were building surpluses, george bush came in and instituted tax cuts and kept spending money. that's what helped get us in the hole we're in now, and mitt romney has not said anything any different from that. he claims he is going to reign in spending, but he didn't say where. so until he says where, i think he will keep the same policies george w. bush had. >> let me show you the actual facts that president obama's policies have actually had the slowest increase in federal spending since any president innizen hour. there is no comparison to reagan

and george w. bush. the irony is that it's the opposite. >> you have that record on the one hand, the romney record we don't know exactly what his policies would be, but you can see why he wants to push back because there we do have something, and he said 08% of the companies they invested in had growth in revenue. that was coming from bain itself. not growth in employment. and it also didn't say what happened after bain got rid of those companies. so it's possible they goosed up the revenues in the short term, dumped the company, and then lost jobs. that doesn't actually refute the argument that obama has been making. >> thank you dana and cynthia.

i didn't know that dana was writing for the wall street journal when he was 6 years old. thank you for being with me tonight. the cost of going extreme. why some moderate republicans are feeding the pot. and the congressman that said the president is not an american is caught on camera and it doesn't help us cause. [ male announcer ] this is genco services --

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we're back with a story out of colorado getting big national attention. nearly two weeks ago, republican congressman mike coffman of colorado was speaking at his fundraiser when he unloaded this one about the president. >> i don't know whether barack obama was born in the united states or not. i don't know. but i do know this. in his heart, he is not an american. he is just not an american. >> that outrageous comment made it on to the local news five days later. only then did congressman coffman issue a statement saying "i misspoke and i apologize." i misspoke and i apologize.

then a station in denver caught up with the congressman. tuesday passed and to ask him about this and asked him about why he had made the statement in the first place. here is what congressman had to say. >> after your comments about the president, do you feel that voters are owed a better explanation than just i misspoke? >> i think that as i stand by my statement, they misspoke, and i apologize. >> okay, who are you apologizing to. >> i stand by my statement, i misspoke and apologize. we talk to you all of the time, you're very forth coming. who is telling you not to talk. >> i stand by my statement that i misspoke and i apologize. >> did you say it because you would never say something like that in the suburbs? >> is there anything i can ask

you that you will answer differently? >> i stand by my statement that i misspoke and i apologize. >> thank you. >> joining me now is that reporter from kusa in denver. thanks for joining my. >> al, thanks for having me. your interview with congressman coffman got a big reaction in colorado. in an op-ed, congressman coffman is calling his comment bone headed. >> his comments were tape recorded by a supporter. someone who came to the fundraise tore koe n-- donated, and those comments were posted on youtube and facebook, and they were brought to our attention. >> i understand you had, for

days, tried to get a comment from him. you wanted to interview him, and we just saw a tape, you finally tracked him down, how did that happen? >> we don't ambush people, we schedule interviews. so for five days we talked to the campaign and said he needs to clear the air, we can do a scheduled interview, or we can have an unscheduled interview. they didn't return our call sos we had a closed door interview. >> that's how he kept going with this robotic response, how surprised were you at his response? >> i was very surprised. you have to keep in mind that while congressman coffman may not be known well nationwide, he is the face of the republican party in colorado. when president obama comes to down, it's congressman coffman that delivers the republican response. he informs denver yesterday and

you could not find him. >> in response to your interview, a denver post columnist tweeted has there there before been a worse interview. have you ever had a more awkward interview than in? >> well, i had a city councilman get in my face and shout the f word at me, so that was spectacular, but this one was different. >> what are people in your area saying about the misspoke comment? >> it's interesting, at first things divided down congress lines. he is popular and a lot of spokes rallied to his defense, but you here some noeks on republican talk radio say what he said was pretty dumb, but i understand what he was getting at. he was talking about the president's views on american

exceptionalism. the congressman still won't talk to us, but he is going on talk radio where i think he will have a more friendly audience. >> do you think he was just trying to stay to the talking point? just trying to stick to his line? >> well, the congressman said that he doesn't think the president is an american at heart. i don't have the kind of skill to discern what the congressman has in his heart. all i snow what he's done. in public, in front of our cameras, he's a moderate republican. he'll talk at length on any issue unprompted. here we have him behind the scenes talking to donors with more extreme language than we're used to. >> thank you for your time tonight. we'll be right back. now the c. [ male respondent ] nice! [ female announcer ] colgate total fights

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>> we're back with rumblings of discontent within the gop. republicans who are tired of extremism from some in their party. the latest break comes from columnist michael fimento who worked for president reagan and the national review. today he writes i'm horrified that these people have coopted the name conservative to stream their mess ans of hate and anger, and former secretary powell says that he is uncomfortable with some of the attacks on obama dating back to the 2008 campaign. >> i felt that the republican party at that time was conveying an impression of harshness. it was a certain ugliness to some of the things being said about president obama. >> and former republican senator chuck hagel saying reagan would

not identify with this party. there is a streak of intolerance in the republican party today that scared people. joining me is the daughter of john mccain, and maria teresa kumar. thank you both for your time tonight. megan, let there be light, first of all. you face some criticism from some of the far right in your party. so has colin powell, right? and it's not that you're not a republican, just some of the extreme point of views you feel doesn't represent your views of main street republicans. >> i'm a proud moderate republican, but moderate is considered a dirty word. they treat me like i'm a freak, and i'm a mutant from the original design. i'm not an extreme conservative,

especially with my support for gay marriage. there isn't a lot of room for moderate republicans. my father is a famous senator, and i'm blessed to have the ability to talk about more moderate issues. if you're a moderate, you're at remember. >> you support gay marriage, you're pro-life, but because on a couple things you have a different view, you're considered a freak by them? >> i work for this network for a reason. i'm treated by a lot of people, if you're not an extreme right-wing conservative in today's republican party you're given no respect. >> maria teresa, how do you respond when you hear that? it's almost like you're dealing with people that are as

intolerant of fellow republicans that disagree with them, as they may be of you and i in another party. >> right, i think what megan is describing is what the republican party fears. they will cannibalize their reporters, and it will be so extreme, it will be a sunsetting party. individuals like megan mccain will be independent or look elsewhere for support. that means that the republican party will be the losing party. when you start looking at the new majority of voters, they're single women, people of color, and young people. they want to go to a place that will listen to them, pay attention to their values, but more importantly provide solutions. and not provide a screaming match. >> if you look at the polls, the rent nbc-wall street journal poul, it says the president is leading with all but two groups.

those two groups are whites and men. african-americans he's up, 18 to 34-year-olds he is up, and independents he is up. so meghan, unless they can talk more to a broader base of people, how can they hope to be competitive for the white house? >> i think we'll continue losing elections. isn't the point to win elections? this extremism is happening in both parties. there is not a lot of room for moderate democrats in today's political climate as well. this is really an epidemic we have seen group in the past eight years. >> where do you think this came from? what caused it? >> i hate to say this, but since president bush, even president clinton would act bipartisanly, and since president bush in the eyes of hate politics, i wish i knew more where it came from, because i don't understand the

understand of people who exacerbate people's fears. >> these are bloggers. >> and pundents, yes. >> when you look at the latino vote, it may decide the election or will have impact either way, the president is leading 61 to 27 for romney. why is he so far behind in the latino community? >> he turned them off with his stance on immigration and the tone that he talked to them. the idea of self-deportation and not supporting a dream act, the list goes on. it goes back to the difference between the democratic party and the republican party. the democratic party has their differences but they don't eat their young and they create an atmosphere with debate. the republican party is trying to eat their young and say it's

our way or the highway at the extreme right allowing for a lot of moderate republicans to defect and become more independent. >> a couple races of late, they eat their own, too. we just saw one big lion of the republican party defeated by a tea party candidate. is that progress or not, meghan? >> he's right, the problem in the republican party is if you don't adhere to their ideal they don't want you. but i stand here and say you can't kick me out of the republican party. but it's a scary time. i talk to young people that feel like there is no place for them in the republican marty, and i think there can be hope, it will just take about the right leader. >> when you talk to the hate politics, you're referring to the bloggers in that time? >> yes, the rise of the hate movement. you know, and the rise of the

internet. your show is too short to go into what happened. >> you're already going to get the bloggers calling you a freak for saying that with me, we don't need mr. bush to be misunderstood. thank you both for your time tonight. ahead, president obama's inauguration is a watershed moment in the united states. the first black president sworn in, but 111 years ago, a famous dinner at the white house paved the way. in this picture still hangs in the west wing and why it touches so many americans, next. ts about taking aspirin for pain. but they haven't experienced extra strength bayer advanced aspirin. in fact, in a recent survey, 95% of people who tried it agreed that it relieved their headache fast. visit fastreliefchallenge.com today for a special trial offer.

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it was a long time coming, a long difficult pass from the freedom riots. from freedom summer. then the march from selma to montgomery, thousands of people standing up to demand a seat at the table for fairness for all races. before all of that, there was a dinner in 1901. president theodore roosevelt invited booker t washington to the white house for dinner. that was the first time and it shocked the national. and the world for that matter, creating an international scandal that lasted for years. but it also changed america. joining me is debra davis. her new book is "guest of honor" booker t. washington, theodore

roosevelt, and the white house dinner that shocked the nation. >> thank you for your time and for the book. how did this dinner come about and why is it so important? >> a dinner could have such an impact on the world, but this particular dinner started out very innocently. he was consultingbooker t. washington on matters in the south, and they had an office meeting schedule, and at the last minute, roosevelt decided he was extend the invitation to dinner. he hesitated, and then thought no, i wasn't brought up that way, i have to send this invitation out regardless of the consequences. >> so he hesitated before he sent it out? >> he did, he hesitated. and booker t. washington hesitated before he accepted the invitation knowing full well there would be tremendous consequences. >> now, one thing that was very

interesting to me in the book, is president roosevelt talked to mark twain about this. >> he did, and he consulted mark twain because there was such a fire storm of publicity, negative publicity, about this action, that roosevelt started to get worried did i do the right thing? and he asked mark twain what do you think? mark twain said, you should have thought twice. that was not a good idea. and the reason for that was that many people believe that the president had no business expressing his personal feelings about race in the white house. >> twain said that despite the fact that twain himself was one that praised washington and said that theodore roosevelt couldn't tie booker t. washington's shoes. >> he said he wasn't fit to

untie his shoe laces. >> there had been several blacks who had office appointments at the white house, and blacks built the white house and worked at the white house, but never in the history of the country had an african-american been invited to sit at the president's table. >> there was outrage in the south, what about the north? >> the north was a little better, nothing like the south, but there was still outrage there that the president, too, crossed a line. >> how did you learn about this? >> very funny. i was listening to john mccain's concession speech on election night, and he mentioned this historic dinner an the skand it will caused. i had never heard of it and most had not heard of it. it's one of these great lost stories in history. >> also in the book, you have

about how african-americans criticize booker t. washington over this. >> they did, many of them did because they were scared. they knew there would be tremendous consequences for what he had done. and there were. >> there was a threat made about we have to kill 1000 of them so they know their place? >> this particular quote came from a u.s. senator. >> a u.s. senator said we have to kill 1000 blacks. >> he didn't say blacks, he used the n-word. before they will know their place again. his name was pitch fork ben tilman, but this was a common response. >> it's amazing, but it also shows how far we come from a booker t. washington has a controversy to every night a

black president and his family have dinner in the white house. >> and he invites who he wants. >> this is the book, guest of honor, it's a book they wish you a lot of luck with and i hope people will read it, it's a time in american history we should really know about. we'll be right back. [ kate ] many women may not be properly absorbing the calcium they take because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. that's why my doctor recommends citracal maximum.

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finally tonight, the power of a photograph. look at this picture snapped three years ago inside the oval office and it showed five-year-old jacob philadelphia, the son of a former white house staffer, touching president obama's head. after three years, this picture till hangs in the west wing while others come and go. so how did this moment become stuck in time? the "new york times" says jacob quietly told president obama i want to know if my hair is like

yours, the president told jacob why don't you touch it and see for yourself. when he has dated, he gave him a nudge, touch it dude. >> yes, it feels the same jacob said. we talk about president obama breaking barriers and stereo types by becoming the first black president, but we must keep breaking those barriers. not only from african-americans but for women, gays, and everybody. every barrier we break down, we make the country bigger, better, and live up to it's creed. it's about breaking barriers and making every child, no matter who they are or their background, know that they can reach the top, the most powerful position in the world, because somebody just like them has achieved that. i'm a boy that crew