tonight, on "lockup: world tour," we go behind prison walls to the knife murder capital of europe. >> i slashed people, i scolded people. >> we meet a killer with a sadistic history. >> what do you do with knives? >> lots of things. >> the interview takes a startling turn. violence erupts outside a maximum security prison in belgium. but in this prison, when

tensions rise, inmates can cool off in the sex room. >> two hours for sex. to americans, it's a country best known for chocolate, waffles and beer. belgium. roughly the size of maryland. it's considered to be one of the safest nations in europe. but criminals do exist here. and the most hard-core can be found 50 miles east of brussels in the town of hassell.

prison hassell was built in 1975. it how'sesuses 2,000 men. and in a separate unit, women. >> it has a culture. a bad or good culture, but they always have a culture. we started from zero. >> at the nation's newest high security prison, hassell employs a wider technology inmates. but it's nothing at all like we've seen in the u.s. from 9:00 at night until 6:30 in the morning, correctional officers are not allowed to go inside cells without special permission from the prison director. >> at 9:00, the prisons are in lockdown. if you have keys, you can go in the prison cell. >> why? >> that's the rules here.

>> what do you think those rules are for? >> i don't know, and i don't want to know. but then you go around, you can sometimes smell the weed. the only thing you can do is the day after, get a complete checkup of the cell. >> but that's not the only unusual security clause. while officers who have close contact don't carry guns, hassell's officers carry even less. >> they carry no weapons, no pepper spray, no batons. >> the only thing we carry are our keys and a cell phone. that's about it. if it's necessary, we can get plastic shields, batons, the chains to protect ourselves. i don't even think i ever wore a helmet. >> male inmates considered to be the greatest threat are segregated in their own unit,

section 20. >> when they use a lot of drugs, when they are aggressive, when they are at risk for escaping, then they come in section 20. >> baroque mcpherson is awaiting trial for attempted murder. >> you like this? >> in a wheelchair? >> in a wheelchair, yes. >> unlike most high security prisons in american prisons where inmates are locked up 24 hours a day, baroque and other inmates are given access to common areas. but less than 24 hours after our arrival, a fight breaks out between two inmates. surveillance footage would later reveal the baroque seen talking on a pay phone was one of the

participants. he is approached by another inmate who has just picked up supplies and food from the prison canteen. and just seconds later, they take each other to the ground. correctional officers swarm the two men and take baroque into custody while the other inmate picks up his supplies and leaves the scene. baroque will be confined to this stripped-down isolation cell until he attends a disciplinary hearing over the fight. >> we went to baroque in an isolation cell. he was very upset. he felt like he was being treated as the perpetrator when he was actually the victim. >> what do you want? i will kick you, beat you.

i said, what? >> baroque faces eric brandon who is currently awaiting trial for manslaughter. he said baroque started the fight. >> he jumped you? >> he jumped out. it was over another fight. >> unlike baroque, eric was taken back to his regular cell and was not facing any new restrictions. baroque claims he received special treatment from the prison. >> he's a crazy man, a murderer. i'm not scared, you know? >> eric is, in fact, a former paratrooper. but baroque says he got the better of them in the fight. >> first he got me, but i got

him good. that was one thing. him. why? you don't fight alone. next on "lock up: world tour" -- >> two hours for sex. >> inside hassell's prison sex room, and baroque disciplinary hearing goes from bad to worse. [ male announcer ] what's in your energy drink?

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the security prison in belgium is azts technological a any prison we've filmed. >> no prisoners may go. we watch everything. that's our security. for the moment we have no escapes in this prison, but the inmates, probably they think a lot about escaping, but the security is very high. >> preventing escape is a high priority at hassell. that's why peter was transferred here two weeks ago. he was sentenced to three years for the armed robbery of three jewelry curators and then tried to cut that sentence short. >> i notice when you walk, you have a limp. why? >> there was a construction going on in the prison. they had these things with we

jumped. and we run and jump over the fence. from then they moved me to this part. >> peter says his escape was motivated by the pressures of being a parent to four young children. >> before they were on a soccer team, now they cannot go because there is no one to take them there, and complications with little children. >> in the united states, an escape attempt usually leads to more time in prison, but it's a very different story in belgium. >> the effect of escaping is not a crime, but they can do another crime. for example, if they escape with the prison clothes, keeping his prison clothes is a crime unless they send the clothes back. we have someone who escaped jumping out of the window.

after two or three days, we get the clothes back, washed and cleaned. so he didn't make any crime. >> in accordance with belgium law, since peter committed no crimes during his escape, he received no extra prison time once he was captured. >> nice surprise. i had to surprise. it's a nice surprise. >> peter's only punishment was a two-month stay in hassell's high security unit, section 20. but it's all worked out for the best. he likes it here. >> same way you get any service at a restaurant, they also give you here.

>> while peter might take comfort in a good meal, phillip finds it in the daily mail call. z . >> it's a letter from my girlfriend. it's nice to have all day every day letter, you know. these are from june 2008 till now, you know. this one is the last one. you know. this is from the day before. we never have a day we didn't write, never. never. >> but when phillip mails his letters, they never travel outside the prison walls. his girlfriend, connie, is also serving time at hasselt. >> 14 years together. >> while the hundreds of letters symbolize their love, ironically it was a bonnie & clyde like

robbery spree of belgium post offices that brought them here. >> we are so close that we going together in hell, you know. we give our life for each other. >> since belgian post offices also offer banking services, they were the couple's prime target. >> i told her many times, i say, connie, you know, we have to be careful. it's bad luck to be caught, you know? she said, yeah, we have to stop. and then i say yes. and after i say, no, we need the money, you know. >> on their ninth robbery, they were not only caught, phillip accidentally shot himself in the leg trying to escape. but the pain was more than just physical. >> i failed to my promise to her, you know, to give her a better life. >> fortunately for connie and phillip they're incarcerated in a nation that understands the power of love. the couple is allowed to see each other for an hour three times a week, but once a month

they're allowed a very special visit. >> two hours for sex. that is different but nobody look. that's fine. >> in belgium they just cut to the chase. they call this room the sex room. and it was a very surprisingly lovely looking room, very large bathroom, very nice lighting in the bedroom, large sized bed, big sized bed, very neatly folded towels on the bed. and a little shocking, packets of condoms on the towels. >> the prisoners have a right to have private visit, but it's not only a sexual visit. prisoner can ask his father or his mother or his sister but mostly it is used as a sex room. >> so what's going on now, phillip? what are you preparing for?

>> to visit my wife intimately, you know? very nice. >> and the banana? >> to get power. >> happy? excited? >> happy, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> the things humans need, you know? and if you love someone, you need your sex with her, you need to be alone for two hours, you know? >> coming up -- >> i want to fight with the commando, the ex-commando. they are scared. i know this. >> burack ersen seeks justice. and later -- >> no. >> basically you threw somebody off the bridge and choked somebody to death?

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hasselt, inmate burack ersen has just spent his second night in an isolation cell. he's there for getting into a fight with another inmate. >> i'm the black sheep always. if there's ever anything, it's always me. >> this morning he will meet the prison's disciplinary committee to find out if there will be any further punishment. the inmate he fought, erik franzen, will also go before the disciplinary committee. but he seems no more concerned now than he was when he casually walked away from the fight as officers swarmed burack. >> what do you think is going to happen? >> i don't know. >> are you worried? >> no, no. >> no? >> prison officials claim that erik franzen is a well behaved inmate and it's only his violent

reputation outside of prison that requires them to house him in section 20. >> with the police he has a very heavy reputation that he's a very heavy guy in the criminal environments. it is a reputation that follows him and he has a lot of crimes and it's often with guns. >> i'm 39 years old. i was before ten years in jail for armed robberies and then i go free and i come back for two years for a fight. and now i'm in jail, they think i killed somebody. >> under what circumstances did this person die? >> bullet in his head. >> you fought that guy? >> yeah.

they're scared of him and they put me here. why i would fight an ex-commando? why? they are scared. i know this. i'm here, he's not here, you know? he's in a cell. he's watching tv now, "sex and the city" maybe, you know? >> the two inmates will have separate hearings and eric's is held first. after the charges are read, officials ask to hear his side of the story and he responds in his native dutch.

>> i know him for many, many years and personally i never, never have any problem with erik. >> a short time later burack is

escorted to the hearing room and his outlook is less than hopeful. >> what's going on? they want to [ bleep ] me. always like this. >> when erik gave his account of the incident, he was very calm and very respectful in the disciplinary board. when burack came in to give his account, it was a very different story. he claimed erik was blackmailing him and became very aggressive with the director.

we know burack for many years. we think he takes a lot of drugs. these drugs has changed his personality, and he became more and more aggressive in the last

few months, last few years? >> what happens now, burack? >> i don't know. they will give me penalty, i think. a good one. but i don't give a [ bleep ]. they think they are going to break me. [ bleep ]. >> a short time later the disciplinary committee reaches a decision. there will be no sanctions for erik but burack ersen will receive two additional days in isolation for being argumentative in the hearing and another month for the fight. we caught up with burack three days later after he was moved out of isolation and moved back to his section. he was in a much better mood. >> here, belgian chocolates. you know, if you want? this is good. americans like everything.

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directly between glasgow and edinburgh scotland is shotts, the farming village that dots the isle's central interior. but just beyond its green fields and grazing sheep is a much more fo foreboding presence. this is hmp, her majesty's prison, shotts, a maximum security prison that houses more than 500 of scotland's most violent criminals. >> all the prisoners will be serving four years and over. that means they've committed a serious crime. 52% of the prisoners here now are serving a life sentence. most life sentences are given for murder. so we have a lot of murderers here. >> many of the men committed for

murder here are in their 20s and claim drugs and alcohol led them to kill. drugs played a role in the incarceration of 29-year-old chris hutchinson, but he was on the supply side and his crimes made headlines. >> so you were a drug dealer? >> a drug dealer, aye. a wee bit. >> but hutchison was a drug dealer with a sadistic streak. he's serving a 25 to life sentence for two murders, attempted murder, kidnapping and torture. >> how did those two people die? >> one fell off a bridge and the other one died. >> one fell off a bridge. would that be an accident? >> aye. >> what happened? >> fell off a bridge. >> were you there when he fell off the bridge? >> aye. >> how'd the other one die? >> the other one just died, didn't he? he choked.

>> on his food? >> no. >> so basically you threw somebody off a bridge and you choked somebody to death. >> aye. >> chris was very flippant when describing his crimes. he seemed to take them very casually. and he had this odd habit, when there was a break in the interview, of sort of half singing a song and belching. ♪ >> but as we probed deeper into his crimes, we soon learned that hutchison's murder victims were not the only ones who suffered. those who did not pay up on their drug debts often met especially sadistic consequences. >> how long have you held somebody hostage? >> hours before. >> torturing them? >> on and off. >> what kind of tortures?

>> just all sorts of tortures. nailing people's hands, nailing people to doors, hammers, nails, pliers. >> what do you do with pliers? >> all different things. all different things. >> one of the men hutchison murdered was his cousin. >> how did your cousin die? how was he murdered? >> choked him. >> with your hands? >> with a rope. >> did he know he was going to die? >> mm-hmm. gave him a choice. >> and he chose? >> he didn't choose. >> it must have been pretty bad what he did.

>> he wants it to stop. >> the interview is suddenly stopped by a shotts correctional officer providing security. >> it was one of the strangest experiences i've ever had filming in a prison, to have the officer interrupt an interview, take the inmate away and confer with him. i later found out in scotland the inmates actually have a very good chance of making parole and this officer was concerned that if chris became too descriptive in his crimes, it wouldn't bode well for him. >> when the interview resumes, hutchison discusses why he killed his cousin. >> my cousin and his dad came up on drugs so i he died in my arms and i loved him. so -- >> so that's what's created this very hard person i see now? >> i would say it was, aye. obviously that hurt me.

it was my brother. i love my brother. still love him to this day. he died in my arms. >> at the time of the murder it was widely reported that hutchison had dismembered his cousin's body and even gouged out his eyes. >> and how did they say you took somebody's eyes out? >> i just took them out, so they say. >> and no regrets, no remorse? >> just something happened, didn't it? >> so what were you, an enforcer or a tough drug dealer? >> just didn't take any [ bleep ]. >> coming up -- >> if they want to fight with me, they'll fight with my knife. >> knives, the common link among

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what's your policy? of the 500 inmates of her majesty's prison shotts in scotland, more than half have been convicted of murder. according to a united nations study, scots are three times more likely to be the victim of violent assaults than americans. and in a country where guns are illegal, almost half of crimes are committed with knives. some call scotland the knife murder capital of europe.

>> that's a pretty nasty slash. >> part of the lifestyle? >> michael is one of the many who have been on the wrong side of the blade. he has just arrived at shotts to begin a six-year sentence for assault and robbery. >> okay, tell me, what happened to your face? >> one guy got banged in the face, one guy got stabbed, one guy got slashed and the guy that got slashed was me. >> we quickly learned that shotts is full of young men whose lives have been put on hold due to knife violence and for many of them, like 22-year-old adam gallagher, the violence was fueled by a combination of alcohol and drugs. >> i stabbed people, i slashed people, i scolded people. that was the only way for me to survive. >> gallagher came to prison four years ago on a murder charge. he claims he didn't know his

girlfriend stole a drunken man's wallet. when the man pursued them, gallagher struck. >> he more or less collapsed straight away. and we ran away. we got caught the next day. at the time i wasn't really thinking. and i was on drugs and drunk. >> gallagher received a life sentence but is eligible for parole after 15 years in prison. he works here as a barber. >> my mom and dad were middle class, suburban people, doesn't bother anybody. so for me to come into the jail, it was heartbreak for them. >> shock? >> shock, heartbreak. and that's why i barely talk to them anymore. >> how much time do you think you're going to be in prison before you really have a shot at parole? >> truthfully, i don't believe i'll ever get out. that's just my perception of it.

>> how does a 22-year-old face the fact when he wakes up every morning that he's spending the rest of his life -- >> drugs. tons of drugs. i've been in this hole three weeks and there's not been a day when i haven't had drugs. >> what kind of drugs? >> heroin. >> how are you -- >> smoke it. i seen you looking at my arms. people don't go for needles over here. absolutely hate them. >> so are you high right now? >> no, no, no, not yet. >> when does that happen? >> when this is finished. >> drugs have impacted steven galaway's life as well. he spent most of his adulthood behind bars but he's maintained a sense of humor about it all. >> what's got a hundred legs and three teeth? a meth king.

>> as soon as we met steven, it was evident he had a funny, outgoing character. even when the joke was pointed at you, you had to laugh, as i found out. >> he said, oh, there's a super model just come down. obviously he's got it wrong. i'm only messing with you. don't take it personal. >> but beneath galaway's humor is a desperate past. >> all right, one minute. >> he's currently serving just under four years for assault and robbery. >> i just wanted cash. so i'd just go and bang, that's how i used to do it. >> how? >> i used to rob it. >> galaway only has 15 months left in his current sentence and says he wants to clean up his life and stay out. but with his past record another conviction could send him away for good. >> so i only got one chance left. if you can be clean in a place

like this, you can be clean outside, no? i'm 42 now. i've been in all my life. and all of a sudden i'm 42. 42. so i want to try and, you know, get out and stay out. >> but an adulthood in prison doesn't always prepare one for life on the outside. >> for me to go out there and get a flat on my own, i'd just be lost. i can't cook, i can't do nothing, you know. you got to have life skills down here because everything's done for you in this place. you got no bills or, you know, nothing, nothing. >> how do you manage your cell here? >> have you seen my cell? >> i want my dinner, please. >> but galaway does know how to survive in prison. start by making friends with the correction staff. >> tell me what you think of them. >> he was offering candy to us, to the officers, to other inmates.

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to an outsider, the clean cut young men incarcerated at hmp shotts in scotland could easily be mistaken for college students. but shotts is considered the nation's toughest prison and

it's home to some of its most dangerous inmates. a large number of them are here for violent acts, fueled by a lethal combination of alcohol, drugs and knives. but they're not all youngsters. >> 60-year-old jimmy reed is about halfway through an 11-year sentence for culpable homicide, the equivalent of manslaughter in the u.s. >> it was a man i knew well. like a friend. i didn't mean to kill him. that was proven in court. i wanted convicted of murder. i meant to stab him. i admitted that but i didn't mean to kill him. >> while this was the first time

he killed a man, his drinking has resulted in numerous prior convictions. he spent most of his adult life in scottish prisons, and his sister who lives in the u.s. says he should be thankful for that.

you've been continually pressing your cell button again for no reason. >> guilty. >> the last report of the evening was where you've intentionally endangered the health and safety of others where you activated the smoke detector in your cell, requiring the prison staff and fire service to attend. do you understand that charge? and how do you plead? >> guilty.

>> so you've pled guilty. i'm going to found you guilty on that. all right, i think we're finished with the reports for this morning. >> jimmy's otherwise good behavior record over the past year helps him catch a break. he receives seven days loss of recreation time. his prison job wages and access to his cash account to buy supplies and snacks from the canteen. >> are you okay with it? >> for five reports, yes, i'm okay. >> jimmy is escorted back to his cell in d-hall, the prison's protective custody wing. >> jimmy's done a lot of time in the jail. he's not a young chap anymore. jimmy has enemies in different establishments. that's why he's kept separate. >> i was getting medication off a doctor and there was a prisoner trying to take them off me and he sent another prisoner to my cell. i told the guy to [ bleep ] off. do me or i'll do you.

i said you're 30 years younger than me. i will [ bleep ] murder you. so either [ bleep ] or shut the door. he [ bleep ] off. if they want to fight with me, fight with my rules. knife. then he won't fight. because he knows he may not win. >> jimmy might convey a tough persona inside shotts, but he has serious concerns about what awaits him on the outside when he finally leaves. >> i killed a man who i knew well, which had two big sons. over 30 years of age, that region. who will cause me a problem when i get out. i understand that. i killed their father.

so there's a problem. they may come looking for me. if anybody killed my father, i'd [ bleep ] look for them. so i'm expecting that. do i walk away from it or do i head back? my hands are tied. if i head back i'm saved back in prison but can i let these guys hurt me? they knife me, i knifed their father so it's a problem i've got ahead of me. so i may move out of town. >> do you think you're going to drink? >> why not? >> seems to cause you problems. >> i've been doing it for 40 years. any time i'm out. can i see myself stopping now? no. no. you want the truth, you're getting it. no. no.