the economy needs manufacturing. machines, tools, people making stuff. companies have to invest in making things. infrastructure, construction, production. we need it now more than ever. chevron's putting more than $8 billion dollars back in the u.s. economy this year. in pipes, cement, steel, jobs, energy. we need to get the wheels turning. i'm proud of that. making real things... for real. ...that make a real difference. ♪ hello, everyone. it is high noon here in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." here's some of the first five stories trending on the web this hour. new and remarkable amelia earhart absence. an uptick for one car maker. a baseball upstart once again. we'll bring you details once

again, but first, developing news right now out of egypt. violent reaction in cairo after the sentencing of former egyptian president hosni mubarak to life in prison. protesters wanted him to get the death penalty. police clashed with demonstrators and the former president was killing the sentence for the killings that forced him from power. he suffered some sort of a health crisis after the verdict. we'll have a live report from cairo in just a few minutes. right now here's a live look at tahrir square. once again, thousands are gathering in protest to hosni mubarak being sentenced to life in prison as opposed to getting the death penalty. let's go to front page politics. president obama will leave chicago for washington within the hour. the president wrapped up a two-day swing through the midwest where he touted his economic record, despite some tough new jobs numbers. the president headlined three fund razors in chicago.

at one stop he talked about how his policies helped the economy stabilize and grow. >> we have now seen over two years of the economy growing and jobs being produced. more than four million jobs produced, over 800,000 produced just this year alone. now, here's the thing, though. we're not where we need to be. we're not there yet. >> and here are the numbers. the new jobs report released earlier friday shows the u.s. adding just 69,000 jobs in may. the unemployment rate rose a notch to 8.2%. meanwhile mitt romney is in san diego today for a fund-raiser. in an interview on cnbc, romney seized upon the new jobs numbers. >> the president's policies and his handling of the economy has been dealt a harsh indictment

this morning, and it continues. we've had 40 straight months with unemployment over 8%. their policies have not worked and in many respects their policies have made it harder for the economy to recover. >> late yesterday, romney turned over a 13-page annual financial disclosure report to the federal election commission. it shows romney's net worth falls between a range of $83 million and $255 million. the romney campaign released a narrower asset range between 192 to $250 million. joining me now for more front page politics, christina, politics editor for pbs news and sheryl. i'll begin with you. how are the white house and the obama campaign framing these new jobs numbers from yesterday. any change of approach? >> not really, alex. generally they're urging voters to have patience. they emphasize, as we just heard on the tape, that there has been

some improvement, that the economy has added jobs. it's just not as many as they might hope. it was slightly different his message in minnesota because he in many ways put the blame on congress' doorstep. he said i gave congress a to do list of measures to create jobs and they have done nothing with it. so he's urging patience and saying but this is part congress' fault. >> i'm curious what the general sense is from political insiders on this latest jobs news. in addition to what shira was saying, another reason the obama is attributing the european economy is having a negative effect on the u.s. do you think this is an effective approach? >> well, whether or not it's effective, we'll find out in november. but one thing that has continued to be true is it's not so much about the actual unemployment number but how voters are feeling. and that's one thing you're seeing mitt romney's campaign tapping into. he released a new television ad on friday morning that talked about some of the things he would do if he was president,

but he specifically said and, by the way, america will feel better about things when i am president. and they're trying to tap into something that voters are saying, they're not feeling all that great about the economy. whether or not that number ticks up or ticks down isn't necessarily going to be the determining factor in november. so the european concern is what the president is talking about and shira is right about the president talking about congress because it's some of the easiest things to campaign against when there's not a lot of action in washington. >> i want to run some of the poll numbers. talk about a horse race. president obama leading mitt romney overall just 49 to 46%, certainly within the margin of error. 52% say they approve of the job the president is doing, 47% disapproving. the president's supporters are more likely to support their candidate by a margin of 62 to 47. do yesterday's jobs numbers change any of these numbers? >> we'll see in the coming days

when the poll numbers come out. i do think that the economy is the number one issue for voters right now. and if the economy is not doing well or even if they perceive the economy is not doing so well, that will affect their opinion of the president. plain and simple. i do think those poll numbers also show that it's going to be a tight race. i think we've seen a lot of fluctuating numbers the past couple of months and will continue to see some fluctuation in the poll numbers over the next few months leading up to the conventions. no matter what, this is going to be a tight race. we just can't avoid it with an economy as in poor condition as this one. >> here's a key part of the electorate here, the independents. romney leads obama 51 to 39%. first up, is that expected? how much of a margin can the president afford on that front? >> when so much of the election is fought on the margins, very limited groups of the electorate, particularly in swing states, that the president and mitt romney are trying to move, the independents matter a lot of the there are a lot of different things that you can

look at, one thing how disgusted they are with the political parties. more and more people are calling themselves independents saying they don't want to be associated with a party so that's where you're seeing that battleground. one of the things independents care about most it's showing is the deficit, which is one reason why you're hearing a lot of talk about reducing the deficit and talking about mixing that with the economy and creating jobs. it's a very difficult line for both the president and mitt romney to walk, though, because independents have shown to be fickle and they really do matter. >> shira, i know that you've been covering the congressional campaigns under way. the latest poll shows democrats with the early lead. how about you, what's your read from the campaign trail? >> well, i think polls are different in every state. it depends on a lot of things. it depends on the kind of campaigns the candidates are running. while the poll numbers might show that this is in democrats' favor on the congressional level, i think the map in terms of which seats they need to win both in the house and both in the senate are actually an uphill climb for the democratic

party. it has to do with which seats are open and there are a lot of open seats that democrats have held in the past but are now in republican states, places like nebraska and north dakota. so i think the math shows a little different tale than the numbers. >> okay. christina, you may have heard that we talked about mitt romney's net worth, those numbers being released just yesterday. how does someone with up to $250 million, that's also a quarter billion, how does someone like that reach the average voter? and by the way, this was put out on late friday. is this kind of a classic news drop that way? >> sure. we like to talk about that in the media alot. however, in the 24/7 media, there's nothing that escapes us. if it comes out at mied night, we're all still working covering it. but it is something mitt romney has a bit of a difficulty showcasing that he can understand the average everyday voter. when you ask voters, they don't believe that romney can associate with them so much.

but it's also a difficult thing for the president to go after so that's why you're seeing the campaign talk about mitt romney's record with bain capital, trying to suggest he would help the wealthy, without necessarily going after him as wealthy talking about his economic policies and tax cuts for the rich and that sort of thing. you're going to continue to hear a lot about that. when you talk to actual voters, a lot of people will say that they like the fact that romney is a successful businessman. they like the fact that he was able to build up his own personal wealth. so it's not an easy thing to campaign against and certainly you'll see a lot of people digging through those disclosures to see if there's anything that they can use on the campaign trail against him. >> christina, shira, thank you so much. >> thank you. some new details in a controversy in the race for the u.s. senate in massachusetts. democratic candidate elizabeth warren is in a virtual tie with republican scott brown in the latest polls. warren talked about questions over her claim to having native american heritage from her mother. >> this was important to my mother.

it was a part of who my mother is, and my mother is important to me. i'm not backing up on that, i'm not changing on that. that's part of my life. >> a "boston globe" poll shows the issue of warren's heritage would not affect their vote. developing news right now, trayvon martin's shooter could be heading back to jail at any moment. he has been ordered to turn himself in by 3:00 p.m. tomorrow n a surprise ruling, a florida judge ordered george zimmerman's bond revoked after prosecutors say he and his wife both lied to the court about their finances. nbc's kerry sanders has more from sanford, florida. hi, kerry. >> reporter: alex, florida prosecutors say it's because george zimmerman and his family misled, deceived and outright lied to the court when they said they were essentially broke. the only way they could reach a bond would be to get second mortgages on george zimmerman's parents' and grandmother's homes. 28-year-old george zimmerman,

released from jail here six weeks ago, is headed back behind bars. >> at this time i revoke his bond. >> reporter: florida prosecutors argued the accused murderer, released on bond in april, deceived the court when he failed to reveal $135,000 balance in a paypal account he had set up through his website. >> it was misleading and i don't know what other words to use other than it was a blatant lie. >> reporter: at the bond hearing in april, zimmerman's wife, shelly, was allowed to testify by phone to avoid cameras in the courtroom. >> do you have any estimate as to how much money has already been obtained? >> i do not. >> she stated unequivocally that she does not have any money. >> reporter: but in a recorded jailhouse telephone call, prosecutors say husband and wife talked in coded language. george zimmerman, you're going to take out $10 and keep it with you in cash, less than 10. >> shellie, zimmerman, like $9.

george zimmerman, say about 10. i'm wondering you have more than $10, right? >> they were using code words thinking that the police were going to be real stupid listening to these calls and aren't going to figure out what's going on. >> reporter: zimmerman is accused of killing 17-year-old trayvon martin and is charged with second-degree murder. martin family attorneys now say if zimmerman lied about his paypal account, how can he be believed when he said he shot martin in self-defense. >> his credibility is the most important thing in this entire case. >> reporter: zimmerman's defense attorney says failing to reveal the paypal account is a technicality and proof of that is zimmerman did not use any of it for the bond. >> if deception is their intent, why did they disclose it the first day that it was discussed and why did he forward all of the money i asked him to forward, the day that i asked him to forward it. >> reporter: prosecutors said george zimmerman had two passports but failed to surrender both of them. the judge said that was not a critical issue. once george zimmerman turns

himself in here, it's expected judge lester will have george zimmerman and his wife, shellie, in front of him to answer some questions. alex. >> all right, nbc's kerry sander, thank you. in a moment, chaos in cairo. the violent reaction to today's sentencing of hosni mubarak. we have a live report from there next. and in this week's number ones, the worst dressed city in america. it's a place where ironically you probably need lots of clothing. keep it here on "weekends with alex witt." [ female announcer ] letting her home be turned into a training facility? ♪ this olympian's mom has been doing it for years. she's got bounty. in this lab demo, one sheet of new bounty leaves this surface cleaner than two sheets of the leading ordinary brand. bounty has trap and lock technology to soak up big spills and lock them in.

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significance of this verdict? >> reporter: good afternoon, al alex. the significance of this is on many different fronts. the first that an arab leader brought to justice by his own people now sentenced to life in prison, but it's certainly not enough for the people of egypt who wanted more. as you can see from the numbers of protesters, they wanted all of those on trial, including the president's two children and six senior security officials all to be convicted. in fact the opposite happened. everybody else with the exception of the president and former minister of the interior were acquitted. that's why people here are so angry. they feel like justice was not served when it comes to the people of egypt. alex. >> i know that we certainly had quite the out bursts over a year ago now, but in terms of the level of anger there, do you see people being hurt, injured? is it rising to that level? >> reporter: right now the situation remains very calm. there's a great sense of anger, not only in cairo and tahrir

square on those images you're seeing on the screen but thin cities all across the country. there's no presence of police or military to confront with the protesters and that's probably the biggest indication that it won't be very violent. but as it drags on over the course of a day or two, if it does even last that long, there is always the potential for there to be some kind of violent confrontations. >> yeah. also may i ask you about president mubarak's health. apparently there was some sort of a scare where he had to be treated, i guess, in the helicopter? he was being transported to the prison in? >> reporter: that's correct. the news agency here, the official state news agency reported that the president was suffering a critical health condition. they didn't elaborate what it was exactly, as he was being transported to the prison. keep in mind as soon as the verdict was read and he was taken out of the courtroom, he was transported to the prison as opposed to the medical facility where he had been living for the past year or so. and so according to the state

news agency, he suffered a serious health deterioration. he was treated and taken into the prison's hospital wing. there were reports that it was the president himself who refused to get off the plane. he was almost in a state of shock, he was teary eyed, he didn't want to go into the prison. that's according to other security witnesses that have been speaking to various media outlets, so some conflicting reports. but no doubt that his health overall, over the past year, has been reported to be in stable conditions according to doctors and officials who have been speaking to local media here. >> okay, thank you very much. now to number two on our first five web stories. two evidence in the disappearance in amelia earhart back in 1937 which suggests she did not crash land into the ocean. researchers say earhart and her navigator landed on a reef after running low on fuel. they likely survived a while catching rainwater, perhaps

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up the attacks on president obama's record, giving the president an "f" across the board. it's all part of what's shaping up to be one negative narrative. well, joining me is former pennsylvania governor ed rendell and tony fratto, the press secretary under george w. bush. gentlemen, good to see you both. thanks for being here. governor, i'm going to speak to you first. on thursday david axelrod held that press conference on the steps of the massachusetts state house where he challenged mitt romney's record as governor. is that really the role of a strategist to be out in front of the cameras challenging a candidate? >> yeah, it's a little unique. i've always heard that you keep the process people out of substance and the substance people out of process. so it's a little unique. but i think the time has come, and i said this yesterday, for the obama campaign and if i was advising the romney campaign to stop criticizing each other and start talking about what you're going to do to create jobs and get this economy moving again and that's what the president

did yesterday. i think his forceful words on infrastructure were terrific. we all know infrastructure produces 25,000 well-paying jobs for every billion dollars of investment. let's do it. we need it desperately. let's do it now. congress has got to do its job and pass a robust infrastructure bill. >> tony, at that press conference were some quite vociferous pro-romney protesters. romney was asked about those protests on thursday. let's take a listen to what he said. >> what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. if they're going to be heckling us, we're not going to sit back and play by very different rules. we'll show them that, you know, we conservatives have the same capacity he does. >> do you like the way he responded there? one could say a candidate -- presidential candidate should be would have the fray and not alie himself with protesters. >> i think that's a fair criticism. aside from the talk of sauce for geese -- >> what? >> ordinary people do not use

sauce for their goose. >> how about that foyr their gra gander. >> we call it gravy, not sauce. >> you're right. hey look, governor rendell made this point earlier. you never, ever, ever want the candidate talking about process. i think it is a fair criticism. governor rendell has been out there on the trail and been a candidate many times himself. you want the candidate talking about policies and people and overarching narrative and story of the campaign and vision for the future, not the process. you should just tell reporters go talk to my campaign manager, he'll tell you all about it. >> correct. >> you know, ed, i want to talk to you about the -- i mean it was somewhat conceded this point already to be fair that there were pro-obama protesters in your hometown when mitt romney visited that school in west philadelphia last week. so the president really can't make too much, his camp can't make too much out of what happened by mitt romney

protesters, right? >> absolutely. and again, the public doesn't want to hear that stuff. they want to hear concrete proposals about what we're going to do to solve our real problems. >> tony, in this interview on thursday, mitt romney was asked about the president's performance. here's a clip. >> what grade would you give president obama. >> oh, an "f." no question about that. >> across the board. >> across the board. >> well, even despite the killing of osama bin laden. >> well, the arab spring has become the arab winter. that's hardly a success. >> is that a realistic response? you know, an "f" across the board. we're not expecting mitt romney to give the president straight a's. >> i think it's one of those silly questions that you get asked during a campaign and all candidates have to answer some of these questions. you get trapped in them. but look, you know, i think the answer is fair in this way, is that the american people don't grade on a scale for president,

they demand excellence, they want to see excellence and anything short of excellence is a failure. and so, you know, across the board, you're the candidate running against the incumbent and it's less than excellent, then that's an "f." >> but if you're trying to reach independents, tony, wouldn't it help to seem a bit more measured? >> you know, look, i think independent voters are going to vote on the policy issues that romney talks about. you know, what a romney presidency would look like, what kinds of issues he would focus on and what america would look like under a romney presidency. i don't think, you know, answers to these kinds of questions really are going to sway independent voters one way or the other. certainly not at this point in the campaign. independents are going to start making up their minds not until the fall. >> okay. ed, in that shot heard round the world this week, former president bill clinton addressed the president's anti-bain ads. let's listen to this. >> i think he had a good business career.

i don't think that we ought to get in the position where we say this is bad work. this is good work. there's no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who's been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold. >> politically speaking, ed, was that as bad as it sounded? >> no, i don't think so. it really is the flip side of the question you asked tony. look, governor romney shouldn't have given president obama all f's, he should have pointed out some things he did well. you lose your credibility when you do that. what president clinton was doing, he's going to be strongly for barack obama in the fall, but what he was doing is setting himself up as a credible voice. not trashing mitt romney, saying, look, he does have the basic qualifications for president so that when he comes out for obama, he's a more credible voice. he's not a demonizer. and i think bill clinton, probably the smartest political

person around. i think he knew that and i think he was doing that. and i also think it's the right thing to do. look, i'm going to work my heart out for barack obama. but if mitt romney becomes president, i'm going to want to american people to give him a fair chance. i don't want him so trashed that the people are going to say, oh, government can't do anything, how do we elect this guy, et cetera. i think we've got to start doing that. i think that's what president clinton was going to do. boy, he's going to be awfully effective for barack obama in the fall. >> i don't know, because romney's camp, they actually came out and thanked president clinton after he came out there. that spin was kind of interesting to hear, right, tony? >> well, i don't think they'll be thanking him in october. >> well, true. >> look, the governor is right. president clinton will be out campaigning for obama. but look, i think the attacks on private equity i think as the white house learned were a little bit over the top and out of line and it's a much more

complex and actually there's a lot of positive stories to talk about private equity. i think they got burned by it and some really smart democrats, like president clinton, are coming out and telling them you don't want to go down that road. i think that's wise, because if that's where this campaign is going to go, it's not healthy for the american economy, it's not going to be healthy for whoever gets elected on the back end, because, you know, if you come out that hard against private equity, the question for president obama is what are you going to do about this industry that you've demonized. what are you going to do as president to stop whatever it is that they're doing. >> well, all right. that's going to be the last word, tony fratto and former governor ed rendell, thank you. heavy turnout is expected in tuesday's recall election in wisconsin. it pits republican governor scott walker against tom barrett. early voting polls are now closed there and thousands of voters have cast their absentee ballots. reports estimate 65% of

wisconsinites are going to vote. britain is wrapping up the first day of the queen's diamond jubilee and preparing for more once in a lifetime events. today her imagine industry awarded a trophy to the winning jockey joseph o'brien who rode the horse camelot. a bit earlier the red devils treated the royals to a spectacular aerial show, including one huge union jack that was flown there. our contributor joins us. so glad to have you and your mug. it's perfect, a union jack mug. you brought it here. so talk about what this is. it's the due monday june de. 60 years on the throne as opposed to 75. how does the math work out there? >> we changed the rules with queen victoria back in 1897. she was madly in love with her husband, prince albert. she was heart broken, withdrew from public life. there was a bit of public unrest. we thought we'll celebrate queen

victoria's diamond jubilee, get the public united behind them and we've continued that tradition. queen elizabeth is the second monarch to celebrate 60 years on the throne. >> three more to go and she would surpass victoria? >> the queen mother lived to 102 so there's a very good chance. >> indeed reign in every way possible. tomorrow the queen and the three next successive in line, charles, william and harry, they'll all be going on this boat down the river thames. talk about the significant of that, why that's so unusual. >> they never get in the same vehicle because of security. as a result the london police force will be out in force, the biggest ever police presence. it's going to be an extraordinary spectacle. 1,000 boats down the thames, a million spectators, reminiscent of times past. elizabeth i was very fond of her

pageants so it's nodding back to those times. >> what about the economy there, because there are some who have noted when we had the big royal wedding last year, the economy, the gdp there, took a bit of a hit. now you look at almost a one-two sucker punch. you have, this extended holidays and the olympics coming up. people taking days off, leaving, trying to get out of town for all the craziness. are people concerned about that? are they talking about that there? >> a little. but at the end of the day it is invaluable for brand britain. it's showing the world that yes, we are in the middle of a double-dip recession but still put on a great show and it's very important for national unity. 2.5 million brits will have street parties this weekend, coming together and it's that light of optimism in very difficult times. we all need that in our lives. >> that's true. i love what's happening with the beak ons. tell us about that. >> unbelievable. monday night thousands of beacons across britain, also around the commonwealth will be lit. you'll be able to see them from space. there's obviously a pop concert

on monday outside buckingham palace. i was speaking to my dad earlier, he's wrip the theme tune so that's very exciting. and on tuesday it's much more traditional. you'll have a church -- you'll have a ceremony at st. paul's, thanksgiving, you'll be seeing carriages, it's going to be absolutely extraordinary. they'll be on the balcony as ever. it's going to be great. >> sounds like monday we'll be singing the tune of andrew lloyd weber, your father. >> "sing," that's the name of the song. >> thank you very much, good to see you. now number four in our web stories, worrying sales for volkswagen's legendary beetle and rest of their car line in america. dealers have sold more than 38,000. that's an increase of 38% and the best month of may since 1973. they're making a comeback. i've always looked up to my brother.

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♪ now to must see, must avoid, where there's a host of new movies in theaters this weekend. the one getting all the buzz is "snow white and the huntsman." check it out. >> avenge your father, who was too weak to raise his sword. >> know! >> yikes! looks like charli these theron quite the queen. >> so what's your feeling is it a must see? >> yeah, this is definitely,

definitely a must see, charlize theron is amazing. she is the reason to see this movie. she steals the show. you never want to not watch her because she's beautiful in everything she does, but she's also great. her performance is fantastic, her acting is great. she of course plays the evil queen. this is the classic snow white fairy tale but in a much darker kind of degree. it's not mirror, mirror with julia roberts, this is a much darker telling of the snow white tale. kristin stewart stars as snow white. you might see traces of bella if you see her, but charlize theron is the reason to see this. there's great costumes, great scenery, great effects. and it's actually doing much better than predicted. they're saying it could make maybe $55 million this weekend. >> it's probably going to get some of my money, so thank you for that. andy garcia and eva longoria share the screen in "for greater

glory." >> i'm going to say a must see for the performances. andy garcia is so good in this. of course this is about the 1920s mexican conflict where catholics were being persecuted. andy garcia plays the general to train the rebels to rebel against the mexican government. he is great in it. it has that old hollywood war glamor to it. it's a little bit long maybe for some people. you might want to read up on the conflict before you go see it so you understand the history of it, but go see it just for andy garcia alone. he's so good for this. >> how about this new release, "piranha 3-d." is this a good fright or a must avoid? >> "piranha 3-dd" if you read about it and said piranha 3-dd then go see it because that is what you should be in the mind set to go see. this is, of course, that kind of spoof parity of the horror

genre, like prawn ta 3-d but this is piranha 3-dd. lots of gore and blood and well-skbwell well-endowed. >> wait a minute, is that david hasselhoff? >> yes, david hasselhoff is playing himself. i would say must avoid except if you get the 3-dd joke and if you want to see david hasselhoff play himself. he does a good job of spoofing himself. and that's what this is, it's aover the top, horror genre comedy kind of movie. so go see it with a sense of humor if you're going to go see it. >> okay, well thank you for all. >> thanks so much. in today's then and now, on this date 28 years ago the city los angeles was preparing for the upcoming summer olympic games. they put the city's bus system and bus charters through a dry run to see if they could handle the load of so many fans going to the games. nbc's george lewis reported on it for "nightly news." >> reporter: 370 buses shuttling along the streets and freeways this afternoon. the olympic committee bally

hooed this dress rehearsal in hollywood proportions. years in the planning and a cast of between 15,000 and 20,000. according to olympic officials, fans will have powerful incentives for taking the bus. they say if people drive, they'll be stuck in traffic, they'll have to park some distance from the events and have to pay exorbitant prices for parking. there was a huge traffic jam this morning around the university of southern california, and in spite of the bussing plan, there will be a lot more of this during the games. >> thanks to plenty of planning and warning, the anticipated traffic nightmares never happened. by the way, the weather was perfect all two weeks, i remember. and now today london is gearing up for the summer olympics and facing its own transportation trials and treb lagsz. chiefly among them, 21,000 bus drivers may strike if they don't get bonuses for olympic overtime. stay tuned. and now to number five on our magic moment in major league baseball. here it is.

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in his weekly address this morning, president obama responded to the tough jobs report putting the onus on congress to act. >> i sent congress a jobs bill

last september, full of the kinds of bipartisan ideas that would have put our fellow americans back to work. since then congress has only passed a few parts of that jobs bill, like a tax cut that's allowing working americans to keep more of your paycheck every week. and that's important. but congress hasn't acted on enough of the other ideas in that bill that would make a difference and help create jobs right now. there's no excuse for that. >> joining me now, jonathan alter, a columnist for "bloomberg view." glad you're here. so is the president right, is it congress that's holding up any sort of improvement on the jobs and employment front? >> he is right, but i'm not sure it's relevant to his chances of re-elected which suffered a setback with these new jobs numbers. the president is going to have to go in a new direction. the fact that he introduced this bill last september, as he mentioned, that doesn't cut for anything anymore. that might as well have been a lifetime ago. so he's going to have to resubmit legislation.

it needs to be very bold. equivalent to the nature of the crisis. there is a jobs crisis for an awful lot of people in this country. and they need to make some mid-course corrections in their campaign, because if they stay on the path they're on, even though unemployment is lower in the battleground states except for nevada and florida than it is nationally, if they stay on the course they're on, they may well lose this election. so they need to take a tough look in the mirror in chicago and make some changes. >> tell me how the re-election campaign is reacting to these numbers. how nervous are they? how much is this consuming their time? >> it has to be, you know, a big deal for them. they were not anticipating this. they knew there was a chance that the economy was going to sag the way it has for the last two years in the summer, but they didn't -- they weren't going to worry about it until it happened. well, now it's happened. in politics you have to face reality.

you can't just go, you know, we started with this strategy, we're going to keep it exactly the same. we're going to put the onus on romney. yes, of course they have to stay critical of romney to win the election, but they also have to be out there with a big, bold second term agenda and that's what they don't have right now. >> they want to know how it's going to get fixed, you're absolutely right. "the new york times" has a really interesting piece and seems to debunk some of the comparisons being made between the current economy and the economy that was under president jimmy carter back in 1980 during that election season. here's some of the numbers. for industrial production, you're going to see that number there. we have also for personal income and for inflation. in those arenas, president obama fares better than president carter. look at the outlier, though, with unemployment with that rate, which is at 0.7% higher now than this point in 1980. overall the president's situation is clear ly better, bt is it simple enough for president obama to be labeled as

jimmy carter 2012, and will voters believe that if that message gets out there? to what extent does the president get damned for it? >> that's not a good comparison for the obama campaign. carter was rushed by ronald reagan in 1980. they're trying to run, and you can tell this from the president's message today, a 1948 campaign where harry truman ran against the, quote, do-nothing congress. and he came from a long way back and everybody expected that governor tom dewey of new york was going to be the next president. he and mitt romney have some real similarities. neither of them had much personal connection to voters, but people thought dewey was going to win and truman was able to make a comeback. give 'em hell harry they called him. so that's not barack obama's natural political temperament but he's going to have to be a battler and he's going to have to offer up yet ear proposal. yes, he has had job proposals on

the table, but he needs one that is even boulder on the infrastructure front. maybe even has some direct hiring by the government, which hasn't been done in this country for a long time. it's very out of fashion. wpa tile things. maybe get more youth employment out there, direct hiring for national service for young people. there's a million young people who need jobs. that's his base. and maybe also twin it with a longer term simpson-bowles thing for independents so they feel that while we're creating jobs in the short term, in the medium and longer term we're going to get our fiscal house in order. revisit that before the election. if he waits, he might not be in power anymore. >> it's got to be frustrating because most of those numbers were actually in president obama's favor. >> it doesn't -- you know, yes, he's in better shape than jimmy carter, but that's not saying very much, because carter lost big. >> okay, jonathan alter, calls

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♪ it has more of seven antioxidants to support cell health. that's one a day men's 50+ healthy advantage. good day, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." it's just past 1:00 p.m. in the east, 10:00 a.m. out west. we have this developing news out of sanford, florida. at any moment trayvon martin's shooter could be heading back to jail. george zimmerman's bond was revoked. he was ordered to turn himself in by 3:00 p.m. tomorrow. prosecutors say he and his wife both lied to the court about their finances. nbc's charles hadlock is on the vigil there and joins me from sanford, florida. charles, first up with a good day to you, are you getting any kind of guidance from authorities about when george zimmerman might turn himself in? >> reporter: good afternoon, alex. well, the seminole county

sheriff's office says it has been in constant contact with george zimmerman and is tracking his every move with the gps tracking device that zimmerman was ordered to wear when he left here six weeks ago. but his exact public location is not known to the public, but it's clear that the clock is ticking on george zimmerman's freedom. the judge is clearly upset that zimmerman may not have told the whole truth about his finances. he's ordered zimmerman to return back to the seminole county jail here and presumably another bond hearing would be held later this week to determine exactly how much money zimmerman has. it was revealed yesterday in court that in april it was learned that zimmerman had $135,000 in a checking account at a credit union here, but it was not clear to the court exactly how much money he had, zimmerman and his wife said basically they were penniless and could not afford a high bond. the judge ordered a $150,000 bond that zimmerman posted 10%

of, $15,000, and he was released. but the judge was very upset yesterday that it was revealed that zimmerman had at least $135,000 in a checking account. he'll be answering some of those questions to the judge presumably later this week. al alex. >> okay, charles, thank you very much. if you hear anything, let us know. other developing news this hour from egypt where thousands are gathering in tahrir square. they are reacting to the life sentence in prison given to hosni mubarak today. as we gave you a live look, many protesters are calling for mubarak to be executed. there were also battles between protesters who were throwing stones and police in riot gear. you see him there, former president mubarak had been convicted for the deaths of the protesters that had driven him out of office last year. after the verdict he suffered some sort of a health crisis. it happened as he was being taken to prison. let's go to front page politics. right now the president is

heading to washington following a series of fund-raisers in chicago. the president responded to the disappointing jobs report with a stern message to politicians on capitol hill. >> my message to congress is now is not the time to play politics, now is not the time to sit on your hands. the american people expect their leaders to work hard no matter what year it is. >> meanwhile, mitt romney will attend a san diego fund-raiser today. on cnbc yesterday, romney blamed the president for the lower unemployment rate. >> we should be well into a very robust recovery by now if the president's policies had worked. if he had been able to get america back on track, we'd be looking at what happened in europe as being a problem, but certainly not devastating. these numbers are devastating. >> let's get the latest on president obama's reaction today to that may jobs report. nbc's mike is at the white house today.

let's hear about the president's response. what did he have to say? >> reporter: it's interesting because the president had six fund-raisers yesterday but he prefaced with a speech and a message on the economy and on jobs. the president is doing -- really there's almost little he can do. every month they have got to accentuate the positive, talk about private job creation that's continued now for the better part of two years. here's one statistic that is dogging the president politically, to say nothing of the millions of people who are out of work. it is the most consecutive months of unemployment above 8% since the 1940s. any way you slice it, it is a huge political problem for the president. could not come at a worse time. the anemic growth in the number of jobs. yes, it was growth, 69,000 jobs, but falling well short in the month of may. as you reported, the unemployment rate ticking up to 8.2%. this morning in his weekly address, trying to accentuate the positive and talk about the road ahead. here's what he had to say. >> we knew that it would take

time, that there would be ups and downs along the way. we also knew if we were willing to act wisely and boldly and together, if we were willing to keep at it and never quit, we'd come back stronger. nothing has shaken my faith in that belief. we will come back stronger, we do have better days ahead, and it's because of you. >> reporter: and one other note, alex. the president stayed in chicago, stayed actually in his home that he left to move out of to come here and move into the white house. he's on his way back to washington now. he's going to spend the night tonight, the balance of the weekend at camp david. alex. >> from one home to the other. thank you very much, mike viqueira at the white house. joining me now, molly ball, national reporter for "the atlantic" and casey hunt, national political reporter for the associated press. molly, you are a political reporter, i left out that word, political, like we didn't know. so molly with a good day to you, early voters turned out in droves yesterday for the wisconsin recall. how important is this race on a national scale?

>> well, the wisconsin recall is important nationally for two reasons. first of all, for what, if anything, it can tell us about how voters are feeling in advance of november and what kind of omens we may get for that and second for the future in policy terms, the future of the labor movement and future of conservatism as a lot of governors are seeking to emulate scott walker's example. i tend to think wisconsin is not on a lot of people's list of swing states at this point and that is going to be difficult to change, even if walker wins by a large margin. republicans are really sort of straining to make the case. a lot of the same poll that say show walker ahead still show obama doing pretty well in wisconsin. so that can always change. if we do have a sense that there's a huge republican ground swell supporting walker, we do have to go back and look at how things are shaping up in wisconsin. for the most part, it would be easy to read too much into this in terms of what it predicts for the election. >> democratic leaders were pretty quiet on this election but brought out the big guns

with former president bill clinton speaking at that rally for barrett. it's t minus 4. are they realizing at the last minute how important this race is? >> well, they took some heat from their local democratic party there, and that was sort of sending democrats off message a little bit. while you're right, they did bring in some big guns other the weekend, you'll notice that the biggest gun, president obama, is not in fact in wisconsin. they are concerned about tying the president to what they see as a potentially losing situation. and to molly's point, they are concerned about making sure that this gap isn't so big that it's read as an omen for the election in the fall. that people don't start talking about how wisconsin is suddenly in play. >> yeah. well, molly, in your latest piece on the recall, you wrote that governor walker and the gop are pretty much considering it a lock at this point. does president clinton's appearance yesterday change anything? >> well, the republicans are very, very confident about the recall, and almost all of the polling supports that idea.

at the same time, democrats have been trying to argue that it's really just a dead heat and that because this election is all about a base versus base, it's going to come down to turnout. when you get someone like president clinton who's they popular with the base, that does help drive turnout. as you mentioned, so much of the early vote is already in, it's kid of the last minute and it's going to be hard to change the fundamental calculus at this point. >> okay. switching gears just a little bit with you, molly, you also have a new piece and it seeks to get past the rhetoric from both sides on romney's governorship. what's the reality of his tenure in massachusetts? >> yeah, you know, we had david axelrod standing on the steps of the state house in boston the other day being yelled at by the romney hecklers. and i sort of thought is this really true, that he was such a terrible governor. what's the reality here from sort of an impartial standpoint. most observers would tell you that he was not a terrible

governor. he did not leave massachusetts in a shambles. massachusetts still doing pretty well today by most metrics. one of his biggest achievements is something he never talks about, which is the health care bill. and you didn't hear david axelrod mention health care either because that's an achievement that they also have been positive about in the past. at the same time, he left very unpopular. romney did. he left massachusetts very unpopular because he was viewed as sort of having turned his back on the state and being more concerned with running for president an changing a lot of his positions in order to do that. >> you know, casey, you're out there on the campaign trail with mitt romney in california. when discussing yesterday's disappointing jobs report, he walks with what is a fine line between campaigning and coming off almost as happy that more americans are unemployed. obviously for his own personal political gain. what are campaign insiders saying about that? >> sure. well, i mean there's been tension from the beginning about the fact that, you know, this

jobs report was bad for the country but potentially good for mitt romney's campaign and you saw him standing up yesterday in an interview with cnbc saying that this was devastating, emphasizing other and over again that this was in fact bad for the country. but behind the scenes, his aides were very eager to talk about the fact that this report essentially underscores romney's main message, which is that while obama didn't cause the recession necessarily, it's something that started under his predecessors, president george w. bush, the recovery has been potentially slower than it could have been. that's what romney is standing up doing every single day. so you heard that over and over from romney's aides after this report came out. and it's clear that, you know, he's had to walk this line sort of throughout the campaign as every month we get these jobs reports numbers and then they have to negotiate very carefully. okay, how do we take number that say will potentially help us get elected and make sure that we're not making it seem as though we're gleeful that the country isn't doing poorly.

>> molly, what about the kind of leverage that president obama is trying to grab onto as evidenced this morning in his address when he talks about this is congress' issue, it's because of congress' do nothingness and failure to act on so many different pieces of legislation, that that is why we have such a tough unemployment situation, and also the trickledown effect from europe and its crisis there? >> its real eat only argument that he has. the question is whether or not it will be quipsin convincing. people tend to vote based on how they feel the economy is doing, how they are doing personally and they take that out on the president or whoever is in charge not only here or around the world. they don't really have a very fine compass for who exactly is to blame. so certainly that's -- that's true that congress hasn't acted on a lot of the president's proposals but whether a lot of people will buy that or see it as an excuse remains to be seen. >> good to see you both. thanks so much. >> thank you, alex.

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away after saying a word. she must have been embarrassed, humiliated but scared too. right now we are waiting on trayvon martin's shooter to turn himself in. george zimmerman was ordered back to jail after a florida judge revoked his bond. he must surrender by 3:00 p.m. tomorrow. prosecutors claim he and his wife lied to the court about their finances. zimmerman's attorney says this was an honest mistake. >> i do think that the zimmerman family was acting with what they believed they had. i don't think they believed they had access to that money. >> i'm joined by managing editor of the grio.com joanna wood reed and rebecca. first to you, rebecca. the prosecution says this guy lied about all of his money. the defense says it was an honest mistake. what do you say? >> well, until we see the evidence, we'll take a step back. mark o'mara says that george

zimmerman did have the money in the account. obviously that's not something they can controvert. if the money was in the account but was not used because it came from donations. apparently, i would assume, the defense is going to be our money was 30 cents or whatever they claim, that they had absolutely nothing. this money that came from donations we kept separate and didn't know what to do with it. we didn't think that was accessible money. i don't know if that is going to fly with the judge. it doesn't really sound like something they should not have revealed. i don't know why they wouldn't have just said, judge, we have this amount in our private account and this came in from donations. i'm not sure why anyone would let them do that. so i am say how could it not be an honest mistake. of course you're going to find it. >> well, because the ramifications for this, joanne reed, are the credibility issues here. you heard the martin family attorney saying that's what we brought into question. do you agree? >> right. because the biggest problem for the zimmermans is when they were on the phone with the judge at

that bond hearing, this judge asked them directly, do you have any money. they said no. he asked shellie zimmerman, are you aware of this website that george created, the real george zimmerman.com that has a paypal account. >> yes, i am. do you know how much money is in it? no, i don't. problem. they have phone records showing them on the phone while she was at her credit union arranging for the transfer of money from the paypal account into her credit union account. >> and they know that happened before being asked in court. >> yes, absolutely. >> so that's not disputable. >> because the prosecution obtained their bank records. so they have shellie zimmerman's credit union account. the day before she told the judge they have no money, they had $135,000. that account ultimately raised $209,000, but the day before that bond hearing when she told that judge we had nothing, she knew that money was in her account. >> what about the issue about two passports that george zimmerman had. and when he was told he had to surrender his passport and he did one but not the other. what does that say? is that a real problem? >> well, i just don't think

these are very good indications for the defense here. i don't know why mark o'mara would not have done a little research with his client. there's a possibility, what i see is possibly he thought, oh, i just had to turn over my american passport. these are very important issues when a jury is going to see him and need to believe the credibility of him in the situation where we don't know what happened and we don't have very good witnesses here to really know what happened that night with trayvon martin. and i think for the defense, they are really now up against a very hard wall. >> as i think of what you just said, should george zimmerman's wife be charged with something if she lied? >> well, this is interesting. on the way in here, i was talking to a defense attorney in miami and i asked him this very question, could she be liable? there are two thangz could theoretically happen. if judge lester is of a mind to charge her with contempt, he could certainly do that because it was him she was talking to. or the prosecution could try to

move to charge her with perjury. it would become a separate case, in which case she'd be entitled to her own hearing and her own attorney. those things could happen. they don't necessarily have to happen. it's relatively rare for judges to charge contempt according to this attorney but it could happen. it depends on how the judge feels about what she said to him. >> well, the plot thickens. good to see you both. thank you. straight ahead. today's big three money headlines, including the case of the disappearing millionaires. wake up! that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm. for half the calories plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. so i wasn't playing much of a role in my own life, but with advair, i'm breathing better

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thanks for having me. >> so this unemployment rate ticking up, why isn't the economy producing more jobs? >> that is the golden question, isn't it? unfortunately, yes, as you mentioned for may we saw a very meager jobs report. about 69,000 jobs were added. economists were hoping it was more like 150,000 jobs. it's the lowest number we've seen in the past year. making that matter worse, we actually saw the numbers for both march and april pushed down as well. so this is not particularly good news. where we are seeing jobs created is the health care sector, transportation. the area that's losing the most jobs is construction. there's one silver lining in all of this, this week, and that's the fact that we saw about 640,000 additional prospective workers actually enter the labor market in the past month. the silver lining is that economists say that even though maybe more jobs aren't be added, people are starting to feel a little more positive about going out and looking for a job.

>> what about this new report which claims that are fewer millionaires in the u.s.? and what is it about that and why should those of us who aren't millionaires care? >> well, this definitely puts the redistribution of wealth concept out to a global level because there's a report that was out this week from the boston consulting group showing that in 2011 we saw about 129,000 former millionaires lost enough money that they're no longer of the millionaire status. but those -- the biggest reason for that is actually stock market. the rocky performance of the stock market in the last couple of years. we've seen a lot of the wealthy -- a lot of wealthy people actually start to lose some money. while we're seeing that in america, what we're seeing is a lot more millionaires in emerging markets. perhaps not surprisingly, in asia, in singapore, india, china. we're seeing more and more millionaires. >> and some of those folks may be buying some high-end hoem sales because they're certainly on the rise. is that a trickledown effect for

the whole market? >> i'm not so sure because the super high end of the market is dechblgt definitely its own beast and moves its own way. going back to people losing money in the stock market, i think this is a major reason why we're seeing millionaires and billionaires around the world start to plunk their money into these high-end properties. i'm talking about premiere properties in ulcer exclusive neighborhoods. the inventory is very low and the demand is very high. many ultra wealthy people see this as a positive investment. we're seeing -- we saw in new york city a $90 million plus penthouse sell two weeks ago. just this past week -- actually yesterday we saw a $34 million house out in beverly hills close. this has been going on for about a year and a half. these high-end properties are hot among millionaires and billionaires. whether it will trickle down, i'm not so sure. >> nice to dream about and see the pictures. thank you very much, morgan brennan. >> thank you. in just minutes, office politics. my interview with the "today" show's matt lauer. he talks about his friendship

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difference and help create jobs right now. >> for perspective, joining me is the author of the new book "our divided political heart." e.j. dion of the "washington post." >> good to be with you. >> you say that americans are more frustrated by politics and ourselves than we have to be. why do you say that? >> i think within the american tradition all the way back to the beginning is an inherent balance that we usually try to strike as americans. i argue in the book that from the beginning we've been torn by a deep but very healthy tension between our love of individualism and our respect for community and our love for community. and that we manage to keep these things in balance. i think over pretty much the last hundred years, our approach to politics on both the liberal and conservative side has been about balance, not only between individualism and community, but between government and the

market, between state and local. and i think right now what you have from our friends in the tea party whom i praise for their interest in american history, but i take a very different view of our story than they do, our friends in the tea party seem to want to say that individualism, small government is the only thing that matters in the american tradition. i just don't think that's true. if you go back to figures like alexander hamilton, henry clay, abraham lincoln, all of whom were in some ways precursors to today's modern republican party, they knew that the federal government and all of us together had a role to play in building up the country and in getting people employed. and i think we need to go back to that balance and i think that's the way out of the polarization we're in. >> but you talk about balance, and it would seem that congress has never been this off balance, this divided. are you looking back to those times of alexander hamilton to say it was divided at that time too? is it the worst now that it's

ever been in history? >> well, it was probably worse before the civil war, an i like to hope we're not there yet. i think the 1850s were about the toughest time. but i'm not against, indeed i'm for robust differences between points of view and real arguments. but i think that what we've done in the past is we've operated within some framework where both sides agreed on balance and we argued about do we want a little more or less government here. where should the community's role end and the individual's role begin. and right now we are completely off balance because i think one side wants to deny that both of these ideas are part of us. i like to point out that the very first word in the constitution of the united states is not the word "i," it's the word "we." we, the people of the united states, in order to provide for the common defense, the general welfare and all of that establish this government. i think we need a little more

"we" in our politics and a little less "i." >> e.j., how much of this division do you think is real and how much is just image for political pursuit? >> i think some of it is real. i think we have some real arguments with each other right now. i wish we could carry them out in a little bit less nasty way. but we have some real differences. but i think some of it is artificial in the sense that i think if you ask most americans the question, you know, are we all in it on our own? they'll say no. but do we have personal responsibility to improve ourselves? they'll say yes. so for the vast majority of americans, they're looking for a more balanced kind of approach to politics, but i think we have to fight it through this period where we're going to decide do we want to refresh that traditional american balance or are we going to go the way of a radical individualism, which really only defined us in the

period of the guilded age and we decided that didn't work. >> you seem to think that we can find our way back to a less divided country, true? >> my favorite line on america is winston church ill who said americans always do the right thing after first exhausting all of the other possibilities. i mean we have repaired ourselves in the past. and i think this sense of balance is so deep in our character, so deep in the american idea, that i think it will restore itself. but that doesn't mean we're not going to have a difficult time getting there. >> yeah, i think you're right about that. e.j., very good to see you. in office politics, "today"es show host matt lauer talks about when it will be time to leave the show, his dream job and dream interview. first, i asked him about how much he thinks presidents enjoy their job. >> we see the president in certain circumstances. we are invited to the white house or we are invited to the campaign trail to spend time

with the president. at those moments, you really can't be sure you're getting a real window on to what's happening. i don't think the presidency is a fun job. i don't recall seeing anyone really have fun with it. maybe clinton had a little fun with it at some times. it was clearly not fun for him at other times. but for barack obama with the economy the way it is and with some of the foreign policy issues he has to face or george bush for that matter with 9/11 and afghanistan and iraq, to seem as if they're having fun in the job, i just don't think the two go hand in hand. >> how hard is it to be equally tough on everyone when you, like me, we have our own personal opinions. >> you have to be equally hard. and i know that people will e-mail me after an interview and claim otherwise. they'll say, no, you were harder on this guy than you were that guy. but that's because of the lens they're viewing the interview through. they have their own perspective and own bias. i will tell you we work very hard at going right down the

middle and holding everyone's feet to the fire. it's easier with some people than others. there are some people who are just better at being evasive. but the job is to try -- i always find if i do an interview with a politician, if i go find out about the e-mails afterward, if 50% of the people think i was too tough, then 50% of the people think i was too easy, i did it just right. when it comes to pressing a politician or world leader or anybody for that matter on sensitive subjects, it's about the way you do it. it's about the tone with which you ask the question as opposed to an arrow right between the eyes. there are ways to get around that. >> i love your friendship with bryant. it's a storied friendship. you take over for him and yet the two of you are so tight, it seems. >> i think the circumstances were key to that. you know, bryant was leaving the job of his own free will after 15 glorious years in this job. >> that 4:00 a.m. wakeup call. >> i know. so he was ready to move on to

something else. we are already best friends at that point working together every day. and so bryant basically handed me the baton. >> you have shown me and created such a terrific example and set such high standards for me. >> it wasn't a palace coup, there wasn't a situation where he didn't want to leave and they forced him out and put me in that chair. so i don't see any reason -- i'm not surprised that our friendship has endured. >> how long do you see yourself doing this? given this 4:00 a.m. hour, and you talk about your friend, bryant, who decided i've got to hang this up. i'm not asking for specifics, but how long can you do this, anybody do this job? >> i think that the answer that i don't mean to sound evasive, the best answer of the question to how long do i want to do this is how long will i continue to love it. i don't know that you'll know that until you start to see it fading. the alarm goes off at 4:10 every morning and it's an ungodly hour, there's no question about it. there's some days where it hurts to put your feet on the floor. but once i get motivated and i

get in the shower and i start to shake the cob webs, i do immediately start to look forward to the day. i look forward to the people i'm going to get to meet, the fact that if there is a big story brewing, chances are i'm going to talk to someone that morning who's right in the heart of it. until that thrill dies down, i don't see myself giving it up. the other thing is, you know, i told you this was my dream job. this was always my dream job. an i don't have another one out there. i don't have something i've got my sights on quietly privately or even publicly. so once you get your dream job, it's hard to make a decision to give it up. >> is there a dream get interview? >> the dream get is always the next get. i always wanted to interview johnny carson. always. he was an idol of mine in terms of broadcasting. i loved his way of interviewing. i loved his -- >> you've got his wit. >> i used to love -- what i loved most about johnny carson was when his monologue went bad. he made that the funniest moment of the monologue.

>> absolutely, totally agree. >> and we try to do that when we screw up on the air. our mistakes often are turned into our best moments. so i always wanted to interview him. i had a nice mail relationship with him. so i used to write him notes and he would respond to them. but he never wanted to do an interview. i think he wanted to be remembered as he was on that last show. and so that was a miss. but i understood his reasoning. >> i think it's probably the only miss, right? my talk with matt continues at this time tomorrow. he'll talk about how he tackles those evasive political pundits, his storied friendship with katie couric and jokester, yeah, jokester, muhammed ali. next in the big three, mitt romney grades president obama. but did the republican fail in the eyes of independents? ♪ [ dog ] i am a pro baller. 11 years playing the outfield, and i got no plans to retire.

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let's now get to today's big three. our topics, you're so bain, there he goes again and again and drinking problem. oh, this sounds good, right? let's bring in our panel, msnbc contributor and democratic strategist, crystal ball and susan del percio. so welcome to all of you. >> thank you. >> here we go. we'll listen first to former president clinton talking about bain capital and romney's business record. let's play that. >> i don't think that we ought to get in the position where we say this is bad work. this is good work. there's no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office and, you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office a man who's been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold. >> okay. i was doing one of these what? what was that? i'm curious here, crystal, because democrats defending bain

capital. what's that about? >> well, i think some democrats are very nervous to come off as being like anti-free markets or anti-capitalism, which is not what this argument is about. i don't think anyone would say mitt romney was a failure in business because that's not true. i don't think that actually president clinton said anything that president obama would really disagree with. but the difference is having a successful career in business and at profit maximumization and creating jobs. mitt romney is trying to run for president on the basis of having created jobs at bain capital, which is a dubious assertion at best. so in some ways i think president clinton's comments have been seized upon because of what cory booker said and what others have said. there's a developing narrative and now so anything related to that is getting grabbed onto. >> and in this new interview, errol, president clinton made it very clear he is endorsing president obama. but is there some sort of a new dynamic at play here that you're sensing? >> i don't think it goes that

far. there's always the thee riss who think that somehow bill clinton wants hillary to be president and wants to stab the president in the back. i don't think that's ever gone away. i don't think there's an ounce of truth to it, though. i think what krystal said is accurate and it shows how far they -- they call it private equity, i remember when it was called the leverage buyout industry, how deep they have gotten their tentacles into leadership where people won't say anything bad about them. they have been enormous supporters of the arts and of politicians so it's very hard for somebody playing at that level to just turn around and say you know what, the whole industry is suspect, even though that is one of the talking points for the obama re-election campaign. >> are republicans clear, susan, on figuring out this sort of bain approach the way they're doing things? what hold does bain capital have over these democrats? >> it's not bain, it's obviously the industry. it also has a big hold over them

because you're going to have a lot of congress members and state legislators looking for that private equity money, so they have to be very careful. that's where i think you're seeing it. also president clinton was really the first democrat president to really reach out to the finance community and really drum up the fund-raising on that level. and the problem that the democrats have is they want to go after bain. and romney's time there. clinton is saying he specifically was a sterling businessman hurts him. but at the end of the day people like a businessman. they understand it. the obama people are now trying to parse things and they may have an argument but they're asking people to take two or three steps in and that's where they lose it. it's like the health care debate. >> but it's worked in the past though. i mean mitt romney and ted kennedy in that senate race, i mean romney was polling basically even with senator kennedy. and then they started rolling out exactly this argument. they brought in people from --

who had been laid off because of bain capital and sent them to rallies and they did commercials about it and that was where it went into a tailspin. so it's not that it doesn't work and that people don't understand it. >> but it it's not that it didn for them. >> running a state race and national race are completely different in the environment you have to run in, the media markets, all the surrogate speakers which can be problematic, the sunday shows, everything gets parsed even more. the media finding every little problem. >> also very quickly, in the republican primary, newt gingrich actually used this argument to great effect. he won south carolina on the strength of a tax on bain capital. >> if it worked so well, newt gingrich would be the nominee and he's not. >> there were other issues. but it worked in south carolina. >> i want to have you react to something. let's listen to mitt romney grading the president. here we go with this.

>> what grade would you give president obama? >> oh, an "f" no question about that. >> across the board? >> across the byrd. >> despite the killing of osama bin laden? >> i look at what's happened in the middle east, the iraq spring has become the arab winner. that is hardly a success. >> giving the president an "f" across the board doesn't seem to be super thoughtful. if you look at the people to whom you're trying to appeal, that would be independents ultimately, what does that do to them? >> with respect to my friends here who are strategists, he was probably following instructions a little too well from his campaign machine. you're not supposed to give an inch or acknowledge the guy you're trying to beat has any good qualities going on, except in the area, i know they've done this with the president, his likability. the president is likable. you'll hear mitt romney saying he's a nice guy buttes neigh over his head. if p you said he's not a likable guy, everyone would know you're out of touch. >> even the capture of osama bin

laden, national security, f. >> he has to give that up. thank you for getting that right. he has to change that. >> you know candidates know how to avoid a question. that is one he should have avoided in saying things are too serious to simply give grades. you have to acknowledge some of the successes. if he did, it could have turned into the clinton situation but in reverse. he said something nice then the democrats seize that point. >> i've got to acknowledge nick yelling in my ear we have to go to commercial. sit tight. up next with the big three, new york mayor mike bloomberg puts a lid on large soft drinks. is this idea going to fizz or go flat. ? crazy, right ? well, with this droid razr by motorola on verizon 4g lte, you guys can stay in touch. ( grunts ) cool. you can video call on skype... send photos.

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we had to stop our conversation to get to our commercial. our topic, proposed ban on large sodas many new yorkers are

finding hard to swallow. let's welcome back our panel. give me your views on this. >> i interviewed the health commissioner the day are fter i was announced. unfortunately, they didn't give themselves full credit of trying to deal with obesity, more water fountains in schools, changing designs so people walk on stairs more. it's a much better project than just this thing with the cups. they did the cups and big slurpee. that's all anyone is talking about. it's too bad because it is a serious problem. >> do you think this will be successful dealing with obese kids? >> unfortunately, i don't think it's going to be. especially when you look at what's going to be targeted. it's restaurants, but you can go to 7-eleven and get a 64-ounce slurpee, if you want. it's not going to work out the way they planned. >> education and information but this made me want a giant coke,

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