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e-mails. >> tobin in illinois writes, remembering my grandmother's complaint about how tv ruined wrestling because you could see wrestling, because you could see it was fake. >> that was true. didn't ruin ruin it for a lot o. we still believe. we still believe. like santa claus and the easter bunny. >> donna marie jarma, up early preparing baseballs and turnbuckles for breakfast. gives us an excuse to show the video again. and throwing out the first pitch at a rochester minor league baseball game. eats the baseball. throws it to the catcher and then shuffle as lone sadly off the field. "morning joe" starts right now. it's kinds of confusing to voters here, because they wonder why wouldn't you come in two years ago, and he came in and campaigned for the mayor at that
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point. i think it's a sign there is real concern, what i've seen over the weekend, voters who tell me they voted for my opponent, who tell me they are democrats, but are voting for me, because they like the course i take on a number of tough problems or they don't like the recall process. my president and his folks want to shy way from that. >> scott walker succeeded in divide this state. he said he would divide and conquer. he succeeded in dividing. we will show this state, this nation, that scott walker will never conquer the middle class of wisconsin. >> here we go. good morning, tuesday, june 5th. election day in wisconsin. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, msnbc and time magazine editor mark halperin on the banana phone. >> thanks. >> and national affairs editor and msnbc political analyst jon
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heilman. >> no fruit here. >> you sure? i thought we were taking a break, but it's good. >> you keep asking me back. >> i don't. believe me. i can quit you. >> good luck with that. >> yeah? oh, aren't you something. he's a little confident, isn't he, willie. also with us, tina brown, what it's like to be getting an honor from the queen. given that it's the queen's diamond jubilee, which we will be following live throughout the morning and in washington, former chair of the republican national committee, michael steele. good to have you on board this morning. >> all right. i'll have the banana, and i'm with you. >> all right. banana phone. >> more news "the new york times" about the junk food wars and i'll feature it prominently in the show, just because we can. and the paycheck fairness act,
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being voted on in washington, we'll be talking about that. tina, perhaps you can chime in. who is against paycheck fairness? anyanyo anyone? wait there, are some republicans. in wisconsin, for the third time in the nation's political history, a state governor faces the prospect of losing his job in a recall election. after 1 months in office, republican governor scott walker is being faced in a rematch by tom barrett. his name was put back on the ballot biopony nent who's fiercely objected to his pro posal that ended collective bargaining rights. >> this is not about personality. this is about the facts. about substance, not about personality. not going to get down in the dirt and gutter like they have been. we will talk about the truth and
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the facts to move our state forward. >> so here we are. it's the last 28 hours, and it's like a heavyweight boxing match in this corner, we have scott walker with millions and millions of dollars of out of state dollars. in this corner, we have tom barrett, and he's got you. >> there we go. barrett was referencing the more than $30 million governor walker has raised since taking office. the vast majority from donors outside the state, outraised the mayor 7/1. although the dnc has poured millions into the race, president obama has largely stayeded out of the rate, with the exception of a tweet. it's election day in wisconsin tomorrow, and i'm standing by tom barrett. he'd make an outstanding governor. >> there's an endorsement. a tweet. >> that prompted rnc chair to
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respond, bold tweet from the president who wouldn't actually campaign with him or step foot in wisconsin. help me out here. >> that's what you do for a friend that wants you to support you. >> the latest marquette yuchlt poll shows governor walker with a seven-point lead over mayor barrett if walker prevails, he'll be the first governor to successfully fend off a recall challenge. implications cross across the board. >> i will start with you, and we'll pretend that we didn't talk half an hour ago on "way too early." >> people are talking about a potential recall recount. you know, huge implications, because for a lot of reasons. governor walker has ran regio l regionally and governed the way a lot of republicans want it to
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be done. try to balance budgets, part on the back of state government employees. if he wins, he will become even a bigger national icon in the party than he already has, and if he wins, the lesson for a lot of people will be you govern conservatively in a divided state and you can survive. >> jon heilman, how do you see this race? a fete complete for both sides? >> i don't think some of people think it will be very close. if democrats can turn out their people, walker could still lose, and it's fascinating to watch on the presidential level, both in chicago and boston, what wisconsin as a state could be suddenly become a state in play and they both waited, had been holding back in terms of advertisers wanting to spend money there to see what would happen in the recall. wisconsin a pretty reliable blue state for a long time and if walker wins this race, i think there is going to be a strong move by the romney campaign to
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try to compete there. the president's people yesterday put -- announced -- did their electoral map and say they consider wisconsin a tossup state. they are more confident than that sounds. whether romney could win there or not, it's unclear. it could force him to spend money he doesn't want to spend. if walker wins, you will see the presidential campaign come to wisconsin. >> it's a very personal race. the gop leadership, all of these ex-wisconsin people in the republican leadership. and obama not going there is one of those aloof statements that isn't very lovable. >> and the implications on presidential election and also on unions? >> the implications for unions is pretty big. on the presidential election, not so big. but the unions rallied around,
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beginning in january, this idea of taking the fight to the streets, taking the fight to the governor and largely successful in getting this thing to this point, putting on the ballot. getting the space fired up and getting the conversation started at least about union power, union collective bargaining rights, et cetera. we've long since moved away from that. this conversation no longer about those things. about a lot of other things that touch on the obama, mitt rom noaa race in the fall. where obama is leading in the state, mitt romney by six or seven points. it says the electorate is prepared to re-elect scott walker but is user friendly for barack obama. one other point i'm looking at. this thing boils down to -- and mark touched on it the ground game. the use of technology and the get out the vote operations will come together for the first time i think in politics in a real
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segue and the winner can probably put their hat on the hook of having the best ground game backed up and supported by the use of technology in a very extraordinary way. >> go ahead, mark. >> one other thing at play. and you mentioned it when you talked about the money being spent. one of the dynamics this year, right now, is when republicans want to win a race, they can call on bigger money donors, willing to write very big checks and they don't have that, on the union side, the case of wealthy democratic millionaires and billionaires. >> and the two horseman of the apocalypse riding to spend the money. >> and republicans will say if we can get these checks win, we can win races and that's a disparity race? this race. >> curious, michael. a lot of other news to get to. what about scott walker's political career, it looks as if he will win this.
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it had a very polarizing start. has he evolved? sharpened his message? something happening here? >> i think he has evolved. i have heard several interviews, particularly in the spring time, talk about how his approach probably would have been different out of starting blocks. i think he's matured gracefully particularly since under attack since day one. but as marcus said i have correctly, he is a star now, and he will be a bigger star. he becomes the political poster boy for what the tea party and a lot of the grassroots activists want to see in their leadership, someone willing to fight on principal, take those issues directly to the voters and win. >> let's move on. president obama back in washington after raising campaign funds in new york city yesterday alongside former president bill clinton.
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"the new york times" framed their joint appearance as a cleanup operation, days after clinton used the word sterling to describe mitt romney's business record. and the president tore into the republican vision of the nation's economy. >> why are aren't things roaring along now? europe is in trouble and the republican congress has adopted the european economic policy. who would have thought years and years and years, even decades after the republican right attacked old europe that would embrace the eurozone. awe st austerity and unemployment at all costs. we can get right up there if we
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adopt their policies. you are laughing, but you need to tell people this. that's what they are being asked to vote for. >> president obama collected $3.5 million at those fund-raising events. >> take us behind the scenes. bill clinton goes on last week with harvey weinstein. says sterling business record. mitt romney's background in the world of business is not important. it's actually good. what happens between now and then that leads to that appearance on that stage? >> about as predictable as night following day. you think about -- you're a baseball fan, and i know you are too. a phrase about purpose pitch. you brush somebody back. you think where president clinton was last week, cory booker, steve ratner, who criticized, or mildly rebuked the president for taking on the bain record. president clinton came out and did the same thing, it would be taking it up another notch.
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he used more aggressive language. stellar business record. that was clear a shot to a former president to the current one, saying back off this. this is not a winner for you politically, but with fund-raisers already scheduled, knowing he would have an opportunity to provide new footage, change the story and have him come out very strongly on the side of president obama sequenced in his mind of how he will do this. let obama know what he thinks, wrap him on the knuckles and a very effective critique of romney. i live to lunch to bill clinton. what has barack obama said is as effective as bill clinton said last night to flip the bid. who is the europeans here? they are republicans and let me tell you why. it's amazing it took president clinton to school the current president in a much more constructive way there in how to
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refute that argument in what sounds to me like a very effective argument. >> does that conversation happen the way it happened with cory booker. does the white house have full? advise, instruct him on the way to go? >> i don't think so much. there is a war within the democratic party right now about how to run against mitt romney. mitt romney, running against the president's economic record. some democrats think they should run against bain, some think they should run against his record in massachusetts. some think they should run against him being too far right wing. a lot of people who work for president clinton, including president clinton himself, think they are focusing too much on the past and president clinton does say elections are about the future and what he was trying to do last night was nudge the obama operation to talk more about the future, less about the past. >> it's easy for president clinton to make any comment from where he sits. and the few days before, when he
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did that interview with harvey weinstein, he did not mention calamitous, he did not mention what he mentioned last night. he's able to turn the page a lot easier, because he's a former president. >> the bain capital thing is a disaster, jihad against success. >> the strategy? >> yeah. i think he believes -- i'm pretty sure he does this is just a loser. >> doesn't he believe it's more of a problem, i believe he used the word kalamous. if mitt romney wins, where was that? seems a little lost. >> interesting to see if the obama campaign spends any more time talking about bain. they certainly intended to before. it will be interesting to see if they come back to it. >> mark is exactly right. it's the focus on future, what mitt romney's policies would bring. last night, president clinton and president obama at a fund-raiser over at mark hlazar
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house. very hard to launch broadside against private equity if you hold closed door fund-raisers at one of the biggest private equity players in the new york city. i think attacks on bain, mitt romney's claims of a job creator at bain are fair. it creates a certain cognitive distance to be attacking in a broad-brushed way private equity if you are seeking private equity's money at the same time. >> i think it's ground breaking for the president to be able to call out wall street for what he believes it is. to call them out for something that happens. and if they want to have a fund-raiser, so be it. that's their problem. that's the way he looks at it, and it's sort of interesting. >> it doesn't feel to me it's a
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very effective kind of jihad to be waging in a way, last september we heard they were going to go out and campaign against the do-nothing congress and it might be a better way to go given the job figures. they don't have much to go on in terms of their success with the economy. >> they did a conference call yesterday, and the spokesman said we'll keep going after this. and they do say, that while the private equity plays ek different until manhattan than washington, and they have done a lot of research this is a winning argument. >> go ahead, michael. >> very quickly, mika. this gets to the bottom line. a very heavy negative impact on the fund-raising. >> i'm sure it has. >> 88% off of those same donor who's gave in 2008 aren't giving this time around and the dnc, the campaign, and the super pacs
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are feeling it. there is a push to bring the noise level done. that's part of what president clinton did. gave obama some cover. now it's up to obama to use it to pull the money back into play, coming all to the republicans, thank you very much. >> the white house and the president addressed an issue that the senate is most likely to vote down today, a proposed bill on fair wages in the workforce. a defeat that the white house is helping will bolster the president's support among female voters in november. the paycheck fairness act, brought to the floor by democrats who require employers to prove that wage differences between men and women are job related and not discrimination based. the bill sponsors point to research that show women make 77 cent to every $1 that men earn. the bill is the next step to the
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lilly ledbetter fair pay act, first signed into law in 2009 by the president. unlikely that bill will receive the necessary 60 votes to move forward with the republicans who opposed the bill in the past, saying there are already anti discrimination laws in the books. but it doesn't stop president obama from urging congress to act during a conference call with reporters. >> over the course of her career, a woman with a college degree is going to earn hundreds of thousands of dollars less than a man whose doi's doing th work. when we are at a make or break moment for the middle class, congress has to step up and do its job. >> mitt romney has not said publicly if he supports the paycheck fairness act. but he responded with a statement for the concept of equal pay. of course, governor romney supports pay equity for women. in order to have pay equity, women need to have jobs and they have been getting crushed in
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this anemic owe became economy. losing far more jobs than men. as president, mitt romney will create a pro-jobs business climate that will put all back to work. the jobs that women get will not be including fair pay. he doesn't really go there. doesn't he support the paycheck fairness act? is that what he's saying? >> i think he does support it. i think, you know, again, trying to cut through this very carefully, knowing that this is -- can be a political weapon used against him, weathered this whole war on women, campaign by the obama team, and i think what romney is trying to say, look, we want to go into this thing, giving women the same level of access to opportunity as everyone else has, that relies on what employers are able to do to create jobs, to get those paychecks and bring salaries up. he will try to loop this thing
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back around and make a wholistic argument about the economy, and these political segments pulled out, displayed as something unique and special, obama want to do that. romney wants to make it part of a larger narrative that talks about how we employ women, how women become owners in the new economy as opposed to just being workers. >> michael, is it fair to argue if this gets voted down, that the white house could say and democrats could say literally, if you can't pass this bill, then republicans won't let anything happen in washington. he can put it on them. is that a fair argument? >> that's a very fair argument and why the bill is coming up. look, you set this thing in play right now in the summer and then you bring it back in the fall and whip them upside the head with it. and that's exactly what they will do with this issue. the republicans and the house message this, and how romney's
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team messages this over the next few weeks will be very important i think. it's a tough needle to thread. women are disparaged. disadvantaged economically. but there are a lot of reasons. in and out of the workforce, depending on what's going on in their lives. their work experience. all these things come into play. the broader political argument is a narrative, very tough for republicans, particularly when obama has been so very clear about this issue. >> and particular when the reality is that women get paid less for no reason, and it's not fair. >> up next, senator claire mccass skill, john lewis and joseph steiglitz and zeke emmanuel and nancy snyderman. but first the "political playbo playbook" and a check of the
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forecast. i'll start in wisconsin. forecastwise for the recall election, looking pretty nice. clear right now, completely clear. later on this afternoon, though, we could see a few showers or thunderstorms, in the northern half of the state. all of the big population centers from green bay to cheboygan, madison, le claire, dry. overall, no problems with the weather for the recall election. temperatures in the northeast. what happened to the warm spring? temperatures in the 40s in the suburbs, 50s, low 50s in the big cities, and another cool day. afternoon showers in many spots, temperatures will recover a little around philly and d.c. should be around 80 this time of the year. a little unusual. southeast, rain this morning. charlotte, to columbia, also thunderstorms this morningalaba. and lateis savannah, jacksonville, florida. a few strong thunderstorms, and if you are joining us from the
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a traditional jubilee river pageant. and then to the royal hot dog eating contest where they placed third, third. to a club where her son deejay p. charles provided money and then mommy danced. >> we found a queen impersonator that looked nothing like the queen. >> that is not -- willie, would you do that on way too early, cut from that to this beautiful scene? >> tina help us americans understand why this is such an important couple of days in the uk. >> it's a huge reaffirmation of national pride. it's one of those things where a great fusion takes place between britain's feeling of patriotism, the importance of the monarchy of british life and their great
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respect and love for queen elizabeth ii, 60 years with nary a slip, been prodigious how impeccably in a sense she has managed to keep her dig knee, self afacement and do it with great, authentic, practical, unfussy, unpretentious grace really. >> is the brit's love affair with the monarchy as strong as it's ever been, would you say, or has it slipped? >> i think it's very contingent upon the comportment of this queen, and the only difference is that now the monarchy couldn't sustain a bad monarch. if the queen was succeeded by a monarch who was derelict in duty or silly or, you know, scandal ridden, i think that would greatly threaten the institution at this point, where the course in the history, monarchs were frequently absent and
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ridiculous, but no question they would lead the throne. >> we'll following this throughout the morning with tina's help. now from our parade of papers. "richmond times-dispatch" leon panetta on a historic tour to vietnam. panetta handed over the diary of a vietnamese soldier that's been in the u.s. hands, and the vietnamese gave an american soldier's letters home never is not prior to his death in combat in 1969. "the washington post," u.s. strike killed al qaeda's second in command. one of the biggest setbacks for al qaeda since osama bin laden's death. "the new york times," police and mayor back plan to curtail marijuana arrests. >> called the heilman rule. >> i'm sure it is.
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mayor bloomberg says it strikes the right balance. still allowing arrests for smoking pot in public. >> not quite the right balance. in the general vicinity. >> a step in the right direction. >> a step in the right direction. the arc of the moral universe is long, but it does bend toward injustice. the walt disney company plans to announce its tv and radio programming must comply with a strict new set of nutritional standard. there is big. >> they will tout the plan in washington along with first lady michelle obama they don't take effect until 2015, due to long-term contracts with advertisers. >> i'm telling you, we're turning a corner. it's slow, but we're turning a corner on this diet thing, in
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this food issue. >> soda is the cigarettes of the future. >> mark my words. you think i'm crazy. >> bob iger, disney, one of the best ceos in america. >> a good decision. i tell you. >> okay. let's go. politico playbook. let's go to jim van dehide, jim, good morning. >> good morning, how are you doing? >> we're doing all right. politico reporting that mitt romney's supporters have new worries about the cab date. who are those, what are their concerns? talked about 30 different republican leaders across the country. republicans happy with the early performance of romney. what's interesting, how worried they are, one, that he is so tied to the economy being bad. if the economy gets better, they worry about his theory of the case. and how much he needs to be in controlled environments.
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he improvised, got him in trouble rhetorically in the primary. very nervous about the mormon issue. every conversation for whatever reason we have, goes back to that. when you talk to republicans when they talk to evangelical christians, they are picking up something that public polling is not. there are much bigger concerns about his faith than you might think if you are looking at polling data on this issue. a lot of people remain very skeptical. his inability to connect with hispanics and also can he appeal to disgruntled independents, clearly if not turn owning obama, are certainly skeptical of obama's performance to date. >> jim, are you nodding your head? >> he gave a speech to the commencement address at liberty university, not the kind of thing you do once have you won a republican nomination fight. that's still shoring up your base, not pivoting toward your
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base. in chicago, they looked as it as if it was odd and suggested you don't do that unless you think you have a problem. again, could be a general problem with evangelicals, specifically tied to the more mown issue. something under the surface. not something you would do, if you are romney, painted too far to the right. and that doesn't send a message of somebody wanting to be in the middle. >> jim, isn't it true, conservatives for all of the talk about a brokered convention and a more conservative candidate, have rallied around mitt romney? >> they have rallied around him, in that they are happy that attacks on his bain record didn't seem to be successful. there is still a lot more skepticism in private than are you hearing publicly. still very suspicious of his commitment to conservative theology and very skeptical of capacity to do anything than argue the economy is bad. they feel he needs to do
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something big to put different pieces together and not just say the which is bad, it needs to be different. needs to get specific and get different. can't use the same conventional republican tricks of cut spending. get specific and that will be the next challenge for him. once this thing gets to the sort of specifics beyond just saying obama is bad, can he deliver? that's where the nervousness sets in. >> good piece at the top of politico.com. thank you for a look inside the playbook. the san antonio spurs look invincib invincible. riding a 20-game winning streak. this morning, a game away from being eliminated from the playoffs. nba highlights and the stanley cup finals, next in sports. dude you don't understand, this is my dad's car.
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time for a little sports. last week this time, the spurs in the middle of a 20-game winning streak, with a lead over the oklahoma city thunder. last night with the series tied 2-2, the run of success looked like a distant memory. fourth quarter, san antonio dunked and gets the bank shot to go. pulls the spurs to within two, with under a minute to play. down 13 in the third quarter and
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james hardie, under 30 seconds to go, oklahoma city up five. 17 seconds, thunder have the ball. a huge defensive play to get the ball back for the spurs. down 3 with 15 seconds. the replay, it was the right call. spurs down by three, give the ball to manu ginobili, but he can't get it to go and the thunder hang on to win, 108-103. ginobi ginobili, 33 points. came up one bucket short of sending it to overtime. durr did ant, russell, westbrook and harding can punch their ticket with a win back home tomorrow night. game five is in miami tonight. heat and celtics tie 2-2. and chris bosh may be available for the heat for the first time in the series. stanley cup finals. wayne gretzky at the staples
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center in l.a., watching his former team trying to go up 3-0 against the devils. 5-3 advantage, and a good look, jonathan quick, who has been incredible throughout the playoffs, a big save. kings swarming the net. martinez gets it past him. and that puts the kings on the board up 1-0. not happy with the ref. says the whistle should have been blown. and dustin brown, and to the back of the net. 2-0 kings. win 4-0 and a shutout for quick. devils in danger of being swept. the first team to do that since '98 if that happens. kings one win way from the first ever stanley cup. if the kings win tonight, take the cup, they will match the edmonton oilers for the best playoff run at 16-2. great gretzky team.
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♪ 45 mast the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." look at that incredible shot of new york city. joining us now, joseph stiglitz. author of the new book "the price of inequality." how today's divided society endangers our future. great to have you back on the show. one of the show's founding fathers. >> that is true. >> he was on the first year. >> in seacacus.
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>> a lot of discussion of the whole 99% versus 1% is good political strategy reality and there are dangers ahead. >> that is true. i don't think americans realize to the extent to which inequality has increased. the most unequal of all advanced industrialized companies. more disturbing, we think of ourselves as the land of opportunity and we know people who have gone from the bottom to the middle, bottom to the top, but in terms of statistics, what are the chances, the likelihood, of somebody at the bottom, making to the middle or the top, we are the worst of any of the advanced industrial countries. worst in europe, we think of it -- >> done this before on the show. my father has been fairly sharp
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on this. give us examples much the inequality that exists today that you feel are outside of the realm of i guess what should be. >> well, inequality in america manifests itself in every aspect. at the top, the share of income going to the top 1%, and we are the 99%, but going to the top 1%, now is around 1/5, 20%, twice as it much was it was 30 years ago. the middle has been hallowed out. the -- one thing if these at the top did very well, but everything in our society benefited. trickle down economics. but let me repeat, most americans today are worse on
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than they were a decade and a half ago. incomes adjusted for inflation are lower than they were in 1997. >> and aren't we the first generation that cannot really be convinced or even confident that our children will do as well? >> exactly. and, in fact, if you want to talk about -- say a male worker, the income of a full-time male worker, median, half above, half below, is lower than it was in 1968, lower than a half century ago. >> what is at the root of this? how far back do you trace it? where does it come from? how do we reverse it? >> not a single cause. many forces. one aspect that's very important, causing the inequality at the top, is what i call rent seeking, mondopoly power, the financial sector
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engaged in predatory lending, use the credit card practices, bailouts from the government, problems of corporate governance, leading to the ceos, getting disproportionate share of the income of the corporations. buying product like drugs at above-market prices when president obama passed the bill on drugs. one sentence, made a great deal of difference which said we are not allowed to bargain with the drug companies. we are the largest buyers and we can't bargain and the cost to our economy, our society, like a half trillion over ten years. >> we have michael steele in washington who has a question. michael. >> exactly. good morning. the question i have, sort of dovetails off the point are you just making. what you described seems like the government has a real big hand in sort of shaping this environment, where this inequality, we were talking in the last segment, the impact it
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has on women, and how they are disadvantaged in this economy. making 77 cents on the dollar. how do we begin to turn that around? something where we really need to grow the entrepreneurial class in such a way that they get to keep a lot of economic power as opposed to having it dissipated through bailouts, and other things that the government tends to do to disadvantage workers by and large? >> the point you make is a good one. market forces don't exist in the abstract. shaped by government. if we pass a bankruptcy law that says that the banks derivatives have priority over everybody, workers, over everybody everybody in the case of a bankruptcy that encourages derivatives. if we say that student loans, no matter what the quality of education provided by the for
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profit schools cannot be discharged that encourages a lack of accountability, and the result is our economy gets distorted. now, at the heart of this, is inevitably politics, and how do you reshape politic snz one of the things i try to argue here, you can't separate out economics and politics, and the problem is that our politics has been shifting, from what you might call one person, one vote, more to a system that is like one dollar, one vote. and my view, one of the fundamental things that we have to deal with that reality that our politics, there is a vicious circle going on. economic inequality gets larger, those at the top have more influence. >> just the facts. my gosh, how do you -- that will feed into this problem and multiply it. >> exactly. a vicious circle, unless one of two things happened.
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one of the things the people at the top can't begin to realize that we're on the same boat. if you don't educate americans well if you don't have good infrastructure, if you don't invest in technology, the whole economy is not going to perform well, even the upper 1% won't do well. so one needs to realize it's in their enlightened self-interest for to us do better for everybody, and not to have this kind of two track economy where a few people are doing well and the rest are doing very badly. the other one is, the average american has to understand that to a large extend, they have been sold a bill of goods. told by the people at the top that what's good for them is good for the other 99%. you know, and the top 1% has understood you can sell
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products, you can sell cigarettes that kill you, sell food, junk food, and they have begun to realize, the top 1% realizes you cannot just sell junk food and cigarettes, you can sell bad ideas too. and it's important for the rest of us to realize that they have the resources, the methodology, techniques and incentive to do that, so we have to become more attentive to that, and that's where the media plays an extraordinary important role. >> calling for a revolution. >> look at europe. >> europe is also in total meltdown and we're seeing accountants and business people living in cardboard boxes in italy. >> we should look at what's happening in other societies where divides grow and the people at the bottom see no hope, and look at what it does to their society, the kind of
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>> how about that? a little rolling stones as the parade continues in london. the queen traveling to mansion house for a reception. continue the diamond jubilee. celebrating 60 years of rule by queen elizabeth ii, 86 years old, no end in sight. just going to keep going. >> just going to keep going. it could happen for the queen. bad news for poor prince charles. one of the things he likes to say about himself, just my luck and this could be just his luck. >> just wasn't meant to be for prince charles. up next, senator claire mccaskill and chuck todd. ezekiel emmanuel and nancy snyderman. >> the doctors are in. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about fees.
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♪ the queen actually participated in the flotilla in her own boat. did you see this part? watch, you will get a kick out of this. watch this. >> on this 11-kilometer route of historic vessels and barges and other various watercraft as for as the eye can see. and here comes queen elizabeth powering the spirit of the chadwell. we're told she's okay.
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>> and now to the parade in the streets of london. as the queen's diamond juamondb. new york city, a beautiful shot of the big apple. john heilemannand tina brown joining us. along with chuck todd, host of the "daily rundown." good to have you. >> good morning. >> not a commonwealth, right? we won this war, right? >> yeah. >> not this week. we don't talk about you this week. >> canadians, i get it if they celebrate. >> this is about brenda this week. >> we want to push away the little details like the american revolution and so forth. >> a lot to get to this hour. paycheck fairness. claire mccaskill will join us. we'll get to that in a moment. but, first, definitely want to get your take in wisconsin.
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voters head to the polls in wisconsin, wherefore only third time in the nation's history, a state governor faces the prospect of losing his job in a recall election. republican governor scott walker, challenged by tom barrett in the rematch of their 2010 showdown. walker's name back on the ballot through a petition drive biopony nent who's fiercely objected to his proposal, that ended collective bargaining rights for most state workers. they made their final pitch to voters yesterday ahead of today's election. >> this is not about personalities this is about facts and substance. we're not going to get down in the dirt and gutter like they have been. we'll talk about the truth and the facts to move our state forward. >> so here we are it's the last 28 hours. and it's like a heavyweight boxing match and in this corner, we've got scott walker, with his millions and millions of dollars
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of out of state dollars. and in this corner we have tom barrett and he's got you. >> barrett was referencing the more than $30 million governor walker has raised since taking office, the vast majority from donors outside the state. outraised mayor barrett 7-1. the dnc has poured millions into the race, president obama largely stayed out of the race with the exception of a tweet sent yesterday. saying it's election day in wisconsin tomorrow, and i'm standing by tom barrett. he'd make an outstanding governor. that prompted rnc chair to respond by tweeting, bold tweet from the president who wouldn't actually campaign with him or step foot in wisconsin. the latest marquette university poll shows governor walker with a seven-point lead over mayor barrett. if walker prevails, he will be the first governor to successfully fend off a recall challenge.
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chuck, it appears he will prevail. >> it's the assumption. all about what does the electorate look like. turnout look like. it's sclish shay, but it really matters. the state is march ipolarized. and the voter that might show up is the voter who likes reform but can't stand scott walker. >> the implications on the presidential race and the implications on public employee unions. where do you want to start. >> i want to look at it sort of historically. think about the age we're living in. this started impeachment with bill clinton. the take no prisoners approach to american politics. started impeachment and gave us two of the closest elections historically under the circumstances that they were from bush gore to bush kerry and the president's own re-election in a narrow margin. that hadn't happened two
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elections in a row. who has a lot on the line? labor. labor has been -- labor basically been on its heels since walter mondale got s schellacked by ronald reagan. they will be called into question if they can't fight off scott walker. this is not a unnilted democratic party. they are really running up against one gas set of the democratic party, labor. you just saw the president. he did sign with b.o., which means he actually sent the tweet. that's what it means when he sign signs it. >> they believe that there was just the way the rules were in wisconsin about when walker could raise money and the fact that the democrats couldn't unify behind a candidate that they had a primary, all of that
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business. >> i look at that tweet and people say i wouldn't touch something with a barge pole. that is a barge pole. touching it, but not doing it -- >> i don't even know. >> he touched it with a barge pole. >> i heard that i wouldn't touch that with a ten-foot pole. >> you know what a barge pole is. >> i know what a barge pole is. we saw lots barge poles. >> why didn't they bus bill clinton in there? >> he was there friday. bill clinton and the labor movement -- that was never -- i think this is -- we're seeing an outsized example of it. labor's influence in the democratic party and with modern democratic leaders never lower than it is today and it started with bill clinton. remember, he was the antidote to labor. went up against big labor, if you will. >> a question for michael steele. chuck's point. talking to people for the cover story, amazing to listen to
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people, dnc, white house in chicago, only one country where labor matters anymore politically which is ohio. the unions can still help them in ohio. they don't talk about labor as being a huge, powerful muscle anyplace else. you said something earlier, about how you thought that the implications for the presidential race of this recall were minimal. do you think that the state is just so safely blue that no matter what happens, even if walker wins with 40/54, you think that is no way a state that mitt romney can put into play? >> i think -- yeah, in short, yeah. you look at the current polls, romney and obama -- excuse me, walker and obama at the same polling number, about 7%. reality, voters have decided and you see this in a number of states over the years, where their local state politics one thing. national politics something
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else. so they have no problem saying, you know what, scott walker, we'll give you another two years and hold judgment on your re-elect, we still like the direction that the president is leading us and like the influence that the unions have, at the national level and we want that to be in play here. i very much see this fall a situation where we can win scott walker keeping his seat now, but wisconsin goes blue in november. >> how about this money from foster frieze? won't this make a major impact? >> it's making a major impact in a small way. it will play to the local opportunity that scott walker needs. this is helping him, but even still, polls are closed. the reality is, that $30 million is only getting you in the best poll, seven-point lead and in the worst poll, a three-point lead. money will be a factor, yes, but
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it goes to what i said before. this will boil down to technology and the old-fashioned get out the vote effort coming together in a way to drive that vote. one advantage of the gop hits outside of the park in those terms today, in november, could help them turn it around. >> chuck will jump back into this, i have to get to a couple of other issues here. joining us from washington, democratic senator from missouri, claire mccaskill. thank you for being on the show this morning. a lot to get to with you. you, by the way, are in your own re-election battle which doesn't look too easy. how would you characterize the political climate you are looking for re-election? >> i'm wrestling alligators. we've had millions and millions of dollars. 5$5.3 million of anonymous mone and i'm trying to make a point everywhere i go that if we
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really think this isn't united a way we want to go to in our democracy, i think it will have series consequences down the line. missourians deserve to know who is paying for these ads. i'm doing my best to raise money, little bits at a time, and it's very scary, the amount of money, the outside, anonymous people are spending in missouri right now. >> wrestling alligators, probably a good way to put it. let's get to your investigation, the bindings of the general service administration. but, first, let's talk about the vote today on the paycheck fairness act. i spoke earlier and touched on the fact that it may possibly get voted down and i just wonder how -- obviously from my point of view, you know where i'm coming from, how republicans cannot prove they will vote anything down that president wants to do if they are against paycheck fairness? >> it seems kind of weird to me.
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this is not exotic idea this is i think common sense. that we want to try to level the playing field in the workplace, and if someone is being unfairly paid less for the same work, we want them to have opportunity to right that wrong, all three of my opponents are pretty extreme. want to come join the tea party caucus. all three opponents have come out against this, saying this is not necessary, not a problem. if it's not a problem, i don't think they have been paying attention, it clearly is a problem and this is a common-sense way to address it that doesn't go -- this isn't something that will handcuff free enterprise or anything like that the catch phrases they like to use. >> all you have to do is pay women as much as their male counterparts and you are fine. so, chuck, educate me. why would someone have a problem with this? >> my question, to senator mccaskill, this has been a
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problem i would argue for 40 years, since we've had more women enter the workforce. why are we still where we are at? >> she can't wait to answer that question. >> it is sort of remarkable when you hear this issue brought back up and say, well, what was it? 73 cents to a dollar 20 years ago and we moved up all of 4 cents? maybe my numbers are -- it's sort of dumbfounding. >> i think mika wrote a book about it. chuck, you need to read mika's book. >> how much of this is simple that will when you go to a council of 100 group, the top ceos, and 98 are men is that ultimately the issue? >> it is. and corporate dwov nangovernanc huge issue too. we don't have women on corporate boards. and more than half of the students in law school are women, more than half of the women i think in medical school
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now are women, we still have not been able to move into those positions in our country that are really directing traffic among that 1% and that's where women have to break through. and it's very hard to break through when you have attitudes of elected officials that equal pay for equal work is something they can't bother with it sends the wrong signal to all of the corporate boards if these republicans today, can't stand for equality for the same work, that's outrageous. >> it will be political payday for the democrats. >> i question the intentions of a lot of people that vote against this, but if they are looking to, i don't know, get re-elected and want to pander to women voters, trust me, vote for this, it will help you. my book is sell off the shelves. i did not think it would. it has tapped into something that people really care about, especially women, who happen to work for a living.
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it is simple. michael steele, it's about our wallets. i don't understand. help me understand why someone would vote against this, at this time especially? >> again, between a rock and a hard place politically. one of the arguments that you want to be on the right side of it, but the reality is what is the politics here. what is the get? chuck made the point. not a new battle here. this is not the first time republicans or democrats confronted this issue. 73 cents to 77 cents. even if you went 10 cents, the reality is right now in this political cycle. heated and polarized as it is, a lot of folks will see this as nothing more than a way to back one party in the corner and there is nothing that will really change beyond the legislation. and you talk about the corporate boards out there, to be political about it, we've
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already acknowledged that a lot of those boards are ceos are democrats, they have given to obama, supported this administration. yet here we, waiting until this heated election psych towel bri cycle to bring this up. why wasn't this one of the top agenda items to empower everybody. >> come on. the white house women on women and girls, passed the lilly ledbetter act. first thing he did. you just got nothing. you got nothing. you have nothing. >> i'm not trying to get anything. i'm making the point, that's the politics of it, and that's just the reality right now. the question is, where are we going to go from here? >> probably nowhere, mika. >> i love the idea that trying to hear what kind of sound bite romney can produce on this. ki say nothing. >> can i pick up on michael steele's point, looking like a wedge issue being introduced
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june of an election year as a way to simply draw -- get a vote on the record so that there can be some sort of direct mail piece or tv ad? that's how we've been sin sized in watching. >> there is a record here. no. >> listen, if you want me to be critical of this bill coming up right now, honestly, you haven't been paying attention. for the last two years, mitch mcconnell, trying to figure out what amendments he can put on the floor to make my life miserable. so many got you votes. all they have done is be obstructist and put something on the floor that would get me to vote my own mother. the games that have been played by the republican party, during our efforts to do something during this recession, now, are we without sin? of course we aren't. and that's part of the problem here. i'm a moderate. i want us to get along.
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i work with republicans and frankly, a lot of them are told to stay away from me right now, because think are trying to take me out. i had say until i go to my grave, it's a good thing to work with the other party, i want to build highways. i don't want to say my way or the highway. that's what's going on in this election. are we going to go to the extreme, like my opponents or take care of the moderate middle where we got the deals in terms of solving problems. >> it's like putting a bill out there that says we agree the sky is blue, and the republicans say we don't. i'm sorry. findings of an investigation on the general services administration, senator mccaskill. update us on where we are with that? >> way before the scandal in las vegas, i started doing an investigation, in my contracting
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s s s subcommittee on the gsa had done a bad job and gotten a bonus. and i started pulling that thread and come to find out that millions of -- over a million in bonuses over a short period of time had gone to people under investigation by the ig. i'm kind of old fashioned about this. i think you get bonuses only if you gdo a really good job, not f you are under investigation for wrongdoing. we'll see if we can change the policies of how bonuses are given out, make sure it's only for good actors, not for bad actors. >> good luck. >> best way to chase out big money is little money. clarkmccaskill.com.
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5 bucks, i'd love it. >> and this is like a great little boost for that. >> tina brown, michael steele, thank you. claire mccaskill. chuck todd stay with us, if you dare. >> yes, ma'am. >> and to siper attacks in iran, david sanger joins us with new details on what he calls president obama's secret war. watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. now you can apply sunblock to your kids' wet skin. neutrogena® wet skin kids. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier for full strength sun protection. wet skin. neutrogena®.
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♪ 24 past the hour. learning more this morning about a drone strike in pakistan that killed 15 people. tar getting al qaeda's number two in command if his death is confirmed it would be one of the biggest setbacks for al qaeda since the death of osama bin laden. joining us now, david sanger, author of "confront and
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conceal." surprising use of american power. we see it in that last report? >> we saw part of the. the whole light footprint strategy that president obama tried to put together as a replacement for this era where we invade countries and send 100,000 troops in and spend $1 trillion dollars. put together a combination of drones, cyber, which we learn a fair bit about in "confront and conceal" special forces, in the hopes you can go in quickly and get out quickly. in hopes you don't have to occupy a country. an interesting theory that worked i have well against al qaeda. worked medium well against the iranian nuclear program and we can discuss that later, but it doesn't change societies, it doesn't go in and do for ten years, we talked about at this table so often. the effort to try to do a counter in sur jency, where you make a population feel secure
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and make sure a group can't move back in. >> changing a society, like afghanistan. >> where it didn't work. >> it hecht worked. >> did you see the front page article of "the new york times" the young girl that was raped because her cousin offended someone from another family and that is the way the tribal laws work, and literally, the consternation and pain and turmoil that is happening in one community because they are trying to somehow bring the men who raped her to justice. it's impossible. they haven't even cracked the surface. >> that's right. >> of making changes in a society. >> and, mika, that is the arc of discovery that i described in this book. that president obama went through on pakistan and afghanistan. he came in, i think at least sympathetic, if not fully believing in the concept of counter in sur jency. by the time he had done the
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surge, he was concluding privately that he can't change afghanistan and he began setting deadlines to pull out and a big debate about whether publicly setting deadline was a good idea. in fact, i describe in here one day when henry kissinger comes in to the state department and sits down with people doing negotiations for the taliban and says be careful about thinking that you can negotiate with people when have you already told them you are leaving. he try thad with vietnam and it didn't work out so well. but the second big transition that president obama went through, the discovery that the military saw afghanistan as the last big game in town. the last place to play out the counterinsurgency effort. and he's still fighting that, as recently as the end of last year, the military came to him with a proposal for 100,000 troops for stability operations. the white house said we aren't
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doing stability operations anymore. you guys didn't get the memo. >> chuck todd. >> i don't know if ethical is the right word to use, but the pandora's box that may have been opened, the two, the most gripping account of i think in your book, and this is -- this has been a fascinating read, congratulations. has to do with iran. and the idea, and frankly, when you look at drones plus cyber warfare, okay, we're going to be the best at it now, but what if we introduced -- what kind of -- 25 years from now, are we going to regret introducing this technology into warfare? >> chuck, a great question. we are at the place right now where the united states roughly was for the five or six years after we first dropped the nuclear bomb on hiroshima and nagasa nagasaki, where we had the nuclear bomb, the rest of the world didn't, but we knew it was
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only a matter of time. we tried to extend our lead and it was 20 years before we came up with rules on how we would deal with nuclear weapons. we don't have 20 years on cyber weapons, getting attacked by the chinese, the russians, by hackers, by teenagers every single day. it's a much more complicated issue. that's what made the section of the book such an attractive target. the olympic games, not what's coming up in london, but the much bigger program to do cyber attacks on the nuclear sewn trifudge in iran. it was picked up on and doubled down on. >> did anybody speak up and say what are we doing here? are we concerned? just -- you talk about the juxtaposition of the president. we have to prepare for cyber
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terrorism, when we were -- >> right. >> when we were using the weapon ourselves. we have to prepare to defend against this weapon and here we took the weapon and we said, here you go, israel. you can have it too. we are starting to hand off the technology. >> israel developed a good deal. >> we are now handing drones over to other countries. drone technology. speeding up the spread of this, are we not, this technology? >> what i found fascinating. i talked to the president in the situation room as we were going through olympic games and get this big horse blanket of a diagram of every couple of weeks to show which centrifuges they had hit, he raised the question of could we create collateral damage, are we creating a justification for other countries to hit us? but there was very little desire that i could find in this white house to come up with a really
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articulated set of rules, even to the degree that we have rules on drone strikes. >> the perception from outside is that the president, vice president, secretary of state, secretary panetta, are a very close knit group. is that true? how did that come about? >> it is true and i think it came about coming out of the 2009 review of the afghan policy. where in that case, they brought everybody in, you will remember chuck and i were covering this at the time. every week, an nfc meeting and a day later, a big leak out of meeting and we knew where everything was. this drove the president crazy. by the time he got out to coming out of afghanistan, he brought this down to a small group. >> petraeus, a name you didn't bring up. >> petraeus, was -- so that
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group, and dennis mcdonoughdono they have set this inner tone. >> what about the president's relationship with the joint chiefs, how is that? >> it may be a little bit better now, but the joint chiefs a pretty fractured group through the afghan process. >> and how about -- yesterday talking about the drone strikes and about the detension within the administration. the fighting happening in a productive way for the president to make its decision. how much do you know about how much dissension there is about the strategy he's putting out there? >> the big tension they have on the strategy is how far down in the line of al qaeda leaders do you go and still conclude that somebody is a threat to the united states and is basically being assassinated remotely? a very precise weapon? the president's intervention
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seemed to me to be mostly in the direction of limiting strikes. and the one we saw yesterday, they see a big target, they'll go after it. what fast natures me, how it affects the relationship with pakistan. here we have a government in pakistan that we are trying to support a democratically elected parliame parliament, not the military. a month and a half ago, the democratically elected parliament banned drone strikes in pakistan. how many times in the past month and a half if you started news, saying there has been another drone strike in pakistan. the president pretty -- pretty bloody minded about this, and said when we need to go do it we'll go do it. the book opens with a scene going off to see general chianti, saying exactly that. >> the book, "confront and conceal" david sanger, thank you for being on the show today. chuck todd, thank you as well.
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♪ sadly, the fly bye has been canceled, so due to the awful conditions. >> you hate to be the guy whose job it is to cancel the fly by. i'm sorry, your majesty. due to the weather for more on the queen's jubilee celebrations what is the mood like over there? >> did you see the boats, jon? >> calm down. just calm down, john. it looks like it's raining, john. >> no, it's not raining here,
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jon. itself beautifu it's beautiful. it's a sunny day. >> you look soaking wet. >> probably just excitement sweat. >> it -- it appears to be -- it appears to be rain raining baked beans. >> no. >> that's terrible. >> just a quick shower. >> is that -- >> a toast, to the toast, jon. nothing like toast after a bean shower. don't worry about it. >> shouldn't they just cancel the parade. if the weather is this bad? >> no, we do not cancel it, jon! this is england. we don't back down. not from rain, not from toast and especially from [ bleep ]ing beans. god save the queen! ♪ if you want it, here it is
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emmanuel. nice to see up. >> nice to see you. >> let's talk obesity. again. >> where is skinny girl? >> she'll be back. she's preparing arguments against you. the bloomberg situation with the soda, a nice symbolic gesture behalf. >> i don't think it's symbolic. public health changes because if someone is worth it to say it's worth it. saw with it changes as innocuous as seat belts, anti smoking campaign, someone has to put the stake out and say this matters. >> i think he'll tell you it's not the ideal policy, but he can't get the ideal policy enacted. he wants to do something. very consistent i think about recognizing that there is an important role for the government in terms of trying to help people eat better and get more exercise. he's doing what he can.
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is it ideal? if you asked him in the quiet of his apartment, he'll tell through are many other things i would like to do and would make a big difference. >> the message of moderation is an important one. i said symbolic, because you can order two or go to the 7-eleven. >> let's see how many people get out of their seats and go out and get a second one. >> if you give them 32 ounces, they will drink 32 ounces, and if you give them 16, they will drink 16. the data is clear. >> most restaurants give free refill and i had my double big gulp in protest. there is a link to wealth and health. >> look at us sit agent this table. i look around the campus at the university of pennsylvania. we don't have obese people. it really is -- it's a socioeconomic issue,
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unfortunately. >> and there is a study out that ties the recession we came out of and the economics of today to obesity from a bipartisan policy center that says we have to do something. the soda stuff is great, but we have to do something. >> there is are real stressors and when you realize you may not make a house payment, your body goes into stress mode and leases chemicals that tells to you search for normal foods. what do you eat? fat and carbs. one of the most depressing moments. a four-way stop. one of the streets where everything is four lanes wide, no sidewalks, and sitting at a red light and a pharmacy on every corner with a drive through window. don't worry, your already obese, don't worry about diabetes and heart disease, don't worry about getting out of the car to get medicine, drive on through, and i realized we're really tipping. >> the other thing you have to
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recognize about the recession is the fact that junk food is relatively cheaper compared to fresh fruits and vegetables and other more nutritious items and that differential we need to narrow. there are a lot of ways of trying to narrow it increase demand so the supply chain becomes more proficient and lower the price of fruits and vegetables and people have to recognize there is more than just what you actually pay. there is a long-term value of being healthy and eating healthy. >> i was talking, nancy, a couple of weeks ago, to a doctor who studies obesity, on the question of socioeconomics, look at the numbers on the island of manhattan, the minute, you across north of 96th street and income drops, obesity spikes. look at it plain as day. numbers go up. >> same phenomena is true of smoking. a socioeconomic issue. if we want a healthy society, we have to break down that barrier.
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>> i was on a panel with a young man raised in poverty, a black man who said look, i know are you telling me an apple and orange are better for me. but when you are a hungry 8-year-old, a snicker's bar fills up. an apple may be better for you, but you will still be hungry. there are places doing good. there is a place in the midwest that has a food stamp kind of program, but teaming farmers up with schools and businesses so you can use food stamps for real fruits and vegetables, a way of changing the conversation and changing the access to food. >> a restaura ranture in washin who is getting a food van to go into low-income neighborhoods filled with fruits and vegetables to sell to solve the food desert problem. are you seeing a lot of innovation and one of the good things over the last few years,
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since i've been engaged in the issue, a lot of entrepreneurial spirit, people thinking about how to address the issue. and big corporations are getting involved. we have just a few major companies that are working -- that do institutional food, whether it's the schools or hospitals or universities, there are only three of them and they are actively trying to make a difference, getting the u.s. military to buy better. all of this will change what gets planted, what the supply chains are, how efficient they are, and ultimately lower the price. have people see the healthy food. much more commonly when they go to cafeterias, go to restaurants. >> it's very interesting. you brought up the military. 27% of young people who now would be -- could be of age of military service. 27% could not qualify to get into the military now, because they are too heavy. a weird juxtaposition, are you
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too heavy, we'll send you to boot camp and get process. >> when i was in school -- >> probably before school. >> you go to kindergarten and it's a piece of pizza, tater tots. >> there are changes being made. >> yes. the school lunch program and the breakfast program, there are big changes that were made last year because of legislation. a large part of it has to do with money. how much can you actually pay for school lunches and getting health healthy stuff onto the menu when you have a very limited budget. >> and how do you take that lunch to school really good for you and weave it back into the family dynamics. about but it's doable. other big news, the breast cancer smart bomb. what is it? >> this is cool. i think medicine is changing completely. we've both seen it in our
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lifetimes. the idea of giving someone a chemotherapy drug and sort of poisoning the whole body we know is sort of old school, but how to target certain tumors and certain proteins so you get just the cancer cells, you don't kill everything else, is pretty cool. this is a drug that's been incubating and was presented at a medical meeting for women with advanced breast cancer and it really looks phenomenally helpful. >> i want to be a little more skeptical. >> there you go. that's why we have you here. >> it is an interesting new design, the data we're presented in chicago show that it extends -- it doesn't extend life. what it does, it extends how long before the cancer starts growing again by just three months. and we've had previous experiences where this change in how fast the cancer grows does not lead to a change in life span. you would think it would. if the cancer is not growing, people would live longer. turns out, it doesn't always happen that way. and so before we break out the champagne -- >> no, you're right.
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>> and i am always the skeptic here because i think we need to be a little more sober about these various interventions. they are promising but every hundred drugs we start in people in cancer, only three get approved by the fda. it's a very long road. >> does that develop with any government money or is that all private money? >> most of it -- >> all the basic research for these things was initially done through the nih. this is part of the problem. is it all federal, all private? >> it can't be one or the other. >> we've been researching intensively cancer since the early 1970s and president nixon's war on cancer. and it's a very complicated process between this discovery going to this lab to make this particular drug or modify it in this lab and then going back to industry. these are very well coordinated between the government and all the universities and private industry. it has to be. government can make basic discoveri
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discoveries, can take it to early clinical trials. then you need a lot of development. >> and it's a billion dollars to bring a drug from an idea into the marketplace, which is why you're seeing a lot of work now in cancer and alzheimer's because we know it will stay there. you look at the antibiotic pipeline. it's frightening but there's really nothing out there. i think it's important. we can see these as really exciting strides. just because you have a disease-free interval doesn't mean you're going to live five years longer. but, nonetheless, a baby step and that's how science goes. >> we're going to take the baby step from nancy. i rule in favor of dr. nancy this morning. zeke emanuel, nancy snyderman, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> as always you're watching "morning joe." [ male announcer ] this is genco services -- mcallen, texas. in here, heavy rental equipment in the middle of nowhere,
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we're not conceding any vote across wisconsin. we're here to ask you to move wisconsin forward. >> instinctively the people of our state know there's something wrong when our governor is the only governor in this country that has a criminal defense fund. he is the only governor in this country that has a criminal defense fund. good morning. it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. wake up, everyone. welcome to "morning joe" as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set we have mark halperin, tina brown, and michael steele in washington. today voters head to the polls in wisconsin where for the third time in the nation's political history a state governor faces the prospect of losing his job in a recall election. after just 17 months in office
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republ republican governor scott walker is being challenged by milwaukee mayor tom barrett in a rematch of their 2010 showdown. walker's name was put back on the ballot through a petition drive by opponents who fiercely objected to his proposal that effectively ended collective bargaining rights for most state workers. yesterday both candidates made their final pitch to voters ahead of today's election. >> this is not about personality. this is about the facts. this is about substance. this is not about personality. we're not going to get down in the dirt and in the gutter like they have been. we're going to talk about the truth and the facts to move our state forward. >> here we are. it's the last 28 hours, and it's like a heavyweight boxing match. and in this corner we have scott walker with his millions and millions of dollars of out-of-state dollars. and in this corner we've got tom barrett, and he's got you. >> here we go. barrett was referencing the more than $30 million governor walker has raised since taking office. the vast majority from donors
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outside the state, he's outraised the mayor by more than 7-1. although the dnc has poured millions into the race, president obama has largely stayed out of the fray with the exception of a tweet sent yesterday saying, quote, it's election day in wisconsin tomorrow, and i'm standing by tom barrett. >> there's an endorsement. >> he would make an outstanding governor. >> a tweet. >> that prompted rnc chair prebus to respond by tweeting. are they really bickering through tweets? >> that's what you do, you send out a tweet. >> the latest marquette university poll showed governor walker with a seven-point lead over mayor barrett. if walker prevails, he'll be the first governor to successfully fend off a recall challenge. so implications across the
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board, willie. >> let's start with you, mark. we know what the polls say. what do you say? the polls are close enough, people are talking about a potential recount, that would be a recall recount. huge implications because for a lot of reasons. governor walker has ran regionally and governed the way a lot of republicans want governing to be done. take on labor unions, take on collective bargaining deals and try to balance budgets in part on the back of state government employees. if he wins, he will become even a bigger national icon in the party than he already has. and if he wins, the lesson for a lot of people will be you govern conservatively even in a conservative state and you can survive. >> john, how do you see this race? is it a fait accompli for walker it at this point? >> i don't think so. it looks like it will be close. both sides are talking about recount lawyers and people think it will be very close. if democrats can turn out their people, walker can still lose. and it's been fascinating to
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watch it on the presidential level. both in chicago and in boston a state that could sudden ly becoe a state that's in play. they've held back to see what happens in the recall. wisconsin hases been a reliable blue state for a long time, and if walker wins this race i think there's going to be a strong move by the romney campaign to try to compete there. people announced -- did their electoral map and put it out publicly and said they consider are wisconsin a tossup state. they're more confident about that state than that sounds. whether romney could win there or not is unclear. sudden suddenly if walker wins, you're going to see the presidential campaign come to wisconsin. >> there are so many -- i mean, the g 0 op leadership, there are all these ex-wisconsin people in the leadership.
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it seems obama not going there was an aloof statement of his. >> it was maybe clear that it wasn't going well. michael steele, the implications here in the presidential election and also on unions. >> i think it's pretty big. not so much in my estimation. the unions rallied around the beginning of january, this idea of, you know, taking the fight to the streets, taking the fight to the governor and was largely successful in certainly getting this thing to this point, putting it on the ballot, getting their base pird up and getting the conversation started, at least, about union power, union collectively bargaining rights, et cetera. we've long since moved away from that. and so this conversation is no longer about those things. it's about a lot of other things that touch on the obama/mitt romney race in the fall, where obama is leading in the state by
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six or seven points. so it says that the electorate is prepared to re-elect, if you will, scott walker but is still user friendly for barack obama and that's a very interesting dynamic. one other point that i'm looking at is this thing boils down to, and mark touched on it, the ground game. the use of technology and the old-fashioned get out the vote operations will come together for the first time, i think, in politics in a real significant way. and the winner can probably put their hat on the hook of having the best ground game that was backed up and supported by the use of technology in a very extraordinary way. >> go ahead, mark. >> there's one other thing at play here, you mentioned it when you talked about the money being spent. walker is having a lot more. one of the dynamics this year right now is that when republicans want to win a race, they can call on bigger money donors who are willing to write very big checks beand democrats don't have that, they don't have it on the union side or in the case of wealthy democratic
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millionaires and billionaires. >> you have the two horsemen in the apocalypse riding in to spend that money. >> and that, if walker wins, republicans, again, will say if we get these checks written, we can win races and that's a disparity in this race in the presidential level and maybe in a lot of house and senate races. >> just curious, michael, what about scott walker's political career especially as it looks like he's going to win this. it had a polarizing start. has he evolved? has he sharpened his message? is there something happening here? >> i think he has evolved and i've heard him in several interviews particularly in the springtime talk about how, you know, his approach probably would have been a little bit different coming out of the starting blocks. he came out strong. i think he's maturity gracefully, it you will, it particularly since he's been under attack since day one as governor. i think as marcus said very correctly, he is a star now. he will be a bigger star.
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he becomes the political poster boy for what the tea party and a lot of the grassroots activists want to see if their leadership, someone willing to fight on principle and take those issues to the voters and win. all right. let's move on. we'll, of course, check back in on that story. president obama is back in washington after raising campaign funds in new york city yesterday alongside former president bill clinton. "the new york times" framed their joint appearance as a, quote, cleanup operation. just days after clinton used the word sterling to describe mitt romney's business record, the former president was on message last night as he tore into the republican vision for the nation's economy saying it would be, quote, calamitous for the country and the world. >> why aren't things roaring along now? because europe is in trouble. and because the republican congress has adopted the european economic policy.
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who would have thought after years and years and years, even decades, in which the republican right attacked old europe, that they would embrace the economic policies of the eurozone? us a it territory and unemployment now at all costs. i mean, after all, their unemployment rate is 11% and ours is 8%. we can get right up there if we just adopt their policies. you're laughing, but you need to tell people this. that's what they're being asked to vote for. >> president obama collected at least $3.5 million last night at those fund-raising events. >> take us behind-the-scenes on this relationship. we know last week bill clinton goes on with harvey weinstein and says sterling business record. we ought to get off this bane capital thing. mitt romney's background in business isn't a bad thing. it's actually good. what happens between now and then to that appearance on st e stage? >> it was about as predictable as night following day. you think about -- you're a
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baseball fan. i know mika is, too. there's a phrase in baseball, the purpose pitch. you brush somebody back. you think about where president clinton was last week. you would have these democratic is yo surrogates like steve ratner on the program, ed rendell, to criticize, mildly rebuke the president for taking on the bane reco record. the context was clear. president clinton came out and did the same thing, taking it up another notch. he used even more aggressive language, stellar business record, right? that was as clear a shot as you could see from a former president to the current one saying back off this. this is not a winner for you politically, but with the fund-raisers already scheduled, knowing he would have an opportunity to step up and do this the next week and provide new footage, change the story, and have him coming out very strongly on the side of president obama. it's all sequenced how he's going to make this, do this. let obama know what he thinks, rap him on the knuckles, step up next to him and launch a very effective critique of romney. it's about -- i love listening
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to bill clinton always. you think about the republicans criticizing him for three years. what has barack obama said as effective as what bill clinton did last night to flip the bid on republicans, no, who are the europeans here? the europeans are republicans. let me tell you why. it's amazing to me it took, again, president clinton to school the current president in a much more constructive way there in how to refute that argument in what sounds to my ear what is an effective argument. >> does that conversation happen with bill clinton the way it happened with cory booker? can they advise him and instruct him on which way they want to go? >> i don't think so much. he is a great surrogate. there's a war within the democratic party right now about how to run against mitt romney. mitt romney is running against the president, his economic record. some democrats think they should run against bane, some about his record in massachusetts, some think they should say he's a flip-flopper. some he is too far right wing.
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a lot of the people who work for president clinton have strategi strategists, including president clinton himself, think they're focusing too much on the past and president clinton would always say, does always say, elections are about the future. i think what he's trying to do is talk more about the future and less about the past. >> it's easier for president clinton to make any comment from where he sits. and the few days before in the interview with harvey weinstein, he did not mention calamitous. he did not mention what he mentioned last night. he's able to turn the page a lot easier because he's a former president. >> the bane capital thing president clinton does feel is a disaster. he feels that's just the jihad against kind of success -- >> the strategy? >> yes, that he believes, i'm pretty sure he does it, that this is a loser. >> doesn't he believe it's more of a problem -- i believe he used the word calamitous, if mitt romney wins, where was that? seems a little lost.
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>> it will be interesting to see if the obama campaign spends any more time talk iing about bane. they certainly intended to before. it will be interesting to see if they come back to it. >> look, i think mark is exactly right. it is the future on what mitt romney's policies would bring rather than on litigating the past. president clinton and president obama were at a fund-raiser before they went up to harlem. i think are president clinton would say if he were speaking privately, it's hard to launch broad sides against the private equity industry, president obama, if if you're going to hold closed door fund-raisers with me and you next week at one of the biggest private equity players in new york city. this is a -- we caught on to this before. i think the tax on bane, on mitt romney's claims as a job creator, are perfectly fair game. i do think there is a point of view among the establishment democrats, it creates a could o cognitive dissidence if you're seeking money at the same time.
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>> you know, they don't have to give it and i actually think it's kind of groundbreaking for this president to be able to call out wall street for what he believes it is, to call them out for some of the things that have happened and if if they want to have a fund-raiser, so be it. that's kind of their problem. and that's the way he looks at it which is kind of interesting. >> mika, maybe they have poll tested this and see that it may be working in the swing states but it doesn't feel to me it's a very effective kind of jihad to be waging. in a way last september we heard they were going to be going out and campaigning against the do-nothing congress and it might have been a better way to go given the job figures. they don't have very much to go on in terms of their success with the economy. >> they did a conference call yesterday, the campaign it did and the spokesman said we're going after this. while this debate plays differently in manhattan and washington in the swing states people really do care about it. they're convinced and they have a lot of research this is a
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winning argument. they'll be fighting against bill clinton if they do it. >> go ahead, michael. >> i was going to say very quickly, mika, all of everything that has been said is true, but it gets to the bottom line. it is having a very heavy, negative impact on the fund-raising. >> it sure has. 88% off of those donors who gave in 2008 aren't giving this time around, and the dnc, the campaign, and the super pacs are feeling it. there is this push within the party to bring that noise level down. that's part of what clinton did. he's the best at the cya move. he gave obama some cover. now it's up to obama to use it to pull some of that money back into play which is coming all to the republicans, thank you very much. coming up next, one of the leaders of the 19 0 civil rights movement, congressman john lewis is here for his new book "across the bridge." why the man who was arrested, jailed, and physically attacked in pursuit of social justice says things may be even, worse today. also this hour, remembering
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sergeant shriver through the eyes of his son. mark will be here, the man behind groundbreaking projects like the peace corps and lbj's war on poverty. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good tuesday morning to you, mika. pretty interesting weather p patte pattern. we are hot in the middle and chilly on both coasts, the northwest and the northeast. yesterday only 53 degrees in boston whereas the hot air was going up into montana. so that's kind of the jet stream pattern out there. as we go throughout the day today, one of the big weather stories in wisconsin, the recall election taking place. looks like a dry forecast this morning. a slight chance of storms in the northern areas as we go throughout the afternoon. the big city, green bay, madison and milwaukee will be dry. so your forecast for your tuesday, there will be some afternoon showers from new york city up through new england. the heavier rains today will be down in the southeast from atlanta southward. watch out savannah, down to
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jacksonville, florida. and if you're in the west, very strong cold fronts going through. temperature in billings today, 94. tomorrow, 73. pretty strange for that strong of a storm to be going through the with west this time of the year. but at least it's moving out and your weather is slowly improving. cool morning in d.c. going to be a gorgeous afternoon. [ jennifer ] what if i can't do it? what if i can't lose the weight? what if weight watchers can't help me? what if i'm not ready for change? what if i fall back into old habits? what if i lose control? what if i gain it all back? what if there's always an excuse why i can't? what if i can't follow through? what if i fail? shhh. there's only one voice worth listening to and that's the one saying you can do this. i'm standing here still in control of my weight with weight watchers, telling you to believe in that voice. join for $1. weight watchers. believe. because it works.
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i was maybe the youngest atte attendee because my mother was there and she was pregnant with me. i was there and i remember you sang -- it meant so much to me. >> you heard me. >> i did. i definitely heard you. >> really? >> welcome back to "morning joe" at 23 past the hour. joining us on the set right now democratic congressman from georgia, representative john lewis. he was one of the leaders of the 1960's civil rights movement and is now out with a new book "across that bridge: life lessons and a vision for change." it is an honor to have you on to talk about the book this morning. >> thank you very much for having me on. i'm delighted and very pleased to be here. i watch you every single morning. >> my goodness, thank you very much for that.
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that's nice to hear. we know you and everything you've done including obviously the involvement in the march on selma back in the '60s, the attacks, the marchers were injured, you were injured, you have a long history in the fight for civil rights. and that's why this book has a bit of a message. i would like to go over the way you categorized the book and the different sectionses and what you call them. first, tell us where you think we stand today in terms of civil rights. >> we've come a distance. we made a lot of progress. we still have a distance to go. the signs when i was growing up are gone and they will not return. the only places -- the young people, our children, would see those signs would be in a book, in a museum, or maybe on a video, and that's a good thing. but the scars and stains of racism are still deeply embedded in american society. there are still too many people that are left behind.
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they're black, they're white, they're latino, they're asian american, they're native american. the women, the disabled, and our seniors, and we must continue to fight the good fight. >> so tell us in the book, you have sections divided into faith, patience, study, truth and so forth. i guess begin with faith and how that plays a role today in the struggles that you just laid out for us. >> in keeping with the philosophy and the discipline of nonviolence is this element of faith, this element of hope that you never give up, you never give in. you don't become bitter. you don't become hostile. you keep the faith. you keep the eye on the prize and you keep believing somehow you're going to win, you're going to have a great victory. >> patience. >> patient. the struggle is not a struggle,
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it lasts for one day, one week, one year, or one semester, one election term, one session of the congress. it's a struggle of a lifetime. >> study. >> study. when i was a student in nashville, a group of students from vanderbilt it -- >> oh, boy. >> from tennessee state, we met every tuesday night at 6:30 p.m. to study the philosophy and the discipline of nonviolence, to study what gandy attemhandi att do. we studied the great religions of the world before we went on a sit-in, before we went on a freedom ride, before we participated in a march. we were ready. we were prepared. and many of us grew to accept nonviolence as a way of life, as a way of living. >> truth.
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>> truth. just being anchored, anchored in what is right. what is fair. you're like a tree planted by the river of the water and nothing but nothing, not one thing, is going to turn you around. when we went on the freedom ride, some of us were prepared to die for what we believed in. >> you just said, congressman, you were prepared to die for what you believed in which sort of begins to answer my question, but if you could take us back to the freedom ride, take us back to that bridge, what got you back on your feet after you were beaten with batons after fire ho hoses were pointed at you, after dogs were released to attack you and your brothers and sisters? what got you back on your feet? why did you stand up again? >> on the freedom ride we were beaten, we were jailed, beaten in montgomery, jailed in mississippi for 44 days. went to the state penitentiary.
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on a bridge, selma, 17 of us were hurt. i had a concussion on a bridge. i thought i saw death. i thought i was going to die. but i was able to keep going because i would leave some how and some way that we were going to overcome and create a truly beloved community, that we were going to be reconciled. >> man, the promised land must have looked awfully far away in those moments. >> well, we had to make it. it was not just a simple war. the walk from selma to montgomery was like a holy march, a holy war. it seemed like when you look back 47 years old, seemed like it was a sea of humanity walking with us as we walked. and sort of like the spirit of history was on our side. >> let me try to tie up the two.
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mika is asking you about today. willie was asking you about history. the thing about the civil rights movement i think for a lot of people who look back on it now is the stark moral clarity of that moment and at the time obviously for a lot of people it wasn't as clear. but looking back on it now with the lens of history, that clarity is what's so powerful about it. is there an issue of justice now that has, in your eyes, the same kind of moral clarity that the civil rights fight did it from that era? >> the whole question of marriage equality, you cannot discriminate against people because of sexual orientation. you can cannot say one group of people can be equal and another group cannot. dr. king said that racists don't fall in love and get married. individuals fall in love and get married. so if two guys or two women want to fall in love and get married, it's their business.
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no government, state or federal, should tell them. another issue that i think was akin to the race movement is the whole issue of immigration. it's a shame and a disgrace what we are doing to hundreds and thousands of millions of our citizens, people who live here. we say they're not citizens? we say they are illegal. we all come from some place. in the state of alabama, in the state of georgia, and so many of the southern states, we have all of these young people living in constant fear that they will not be allowed to stay here, will not be allowed to get an education. we should have passed it a long time ago. >> is there any lead er today wo has the stature of dr. king? >> oh, i don't think there's any nonpolitical leader with the stature of martin luther king jr. he was one of a kind, and we may
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not be so lucky or so blessed to see another martin luther king jr. >> the book is "across that bridge: life lessons and a vision for change." congressman john lewis, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, mr. congressman. >> thank you. good to see you. when we come back a look back on the influential and pioneering sargent shriver through the eyes of his son. piro.obert
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i have never met a man in my life who was happier in the moment than sargent shriver and who made more of it, and he thought less about how he could rewrite the past or redream the few tour to inflate himself above others. he really was as good as his family just told you, and maybe even a little better. and a whole generation of us understood what president kennedy meant by looking at sargent shriver's life. >> that was president clinton speaking at the funeral mass for robert sargent shriver last year
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and here with us now with a more personal perspective sargent shriver's son, mark shriver. he is the senior vice president of u.s. programs at save the children and he's out now with a new book, "a good man: rediscovering my father sargent shriver." i like this title rediscovering my father because it sounds like it was a bit of a journey for you. >> it was definitely. thank you for having me. it's great to be here. it was. a the lot of folks told me after he died he was a good man, there was a bunch of newspaper articles that said he was a good man. when i heard that phrase over and over again i start ed to ponder what made him a good man. and i think it was his marriage of 56 years to the woman of his dreams, my mom, raising five kids, all of whom love and idolize him, having countless friends and going to mass on a daily basis. he had an intense relationship with god. for many fathers like myself trying to balance family and friends and faith, it's a challenge. but my dad had, i think, that keen insight and i think the book offers some of those.
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>> was there anything you absolutely didn't know that you discovered in this journey? >> i found a couple speeches that he had given in which he talked about struggling, for instance, going into leprosy wards and being afraid but being encouraged to do that. you always think of your dad as this fearless guy, or i did, anyway. when i read that, it made me pause. he was a human being. he was concerned about going into a leprosy ward. he had those concerns. but he did, he went in and led the peace corps objectviously through its creation. it was great. >> the store aries thstoreries , was your journey and your goal to set out to corroborate those stories or to find out more about them or was it more personal for you. >> it was more personal. i originally sat down to write, to figure it out for myself. and what i ended up finding out, he wrote me almost every day of my life when i was in high
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school. he would slip notes under the door about what he read that night or what we had discussed at dinner. in college he would mail a letter and after graduating school he sent me a letter almost every day of my life. getting a sense of who he was, really reflecting on it, was a personal journey. i love this idea. my dad would do this occasionally, he would sit down and write a letter. but to get those sort of daily memos, what other stuff would you talk about? >> he would talk about everything, the baseball score from the night before. pedro martinez pitched a great game for the red sox. he would highlight that box score. he would highlight an article he read in the new york journal. he would send articles that he read in catholic magazines. he was a voracious reader, or what we had talked about at dinner the night before or what my mom had done that day. so it was a little bit of everything and part of those lessons are in the book. here was a guy that really took the time to understand what his child was thinking and struggling with. i think for a lot of fathers
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that are struggling as we enter father's day period, this is a really, i hope, a good fwid and will give fathers idea how to be better dads, balance family, faith and friends and doing work on a global or local stage. >> i love that idea. >> he had a really eventful life, from the war on poverty to being mcgovern's running mate but the peace corps is what people remember sargent shriver for. was that what he was most proud of, on what he think it would meant, he left as a legacy? >> i think he would say to you if you asked him that question, i can't choose. i loved head start. i love the fact that legal services gave people the right, the legal representation and the federal government was paying for legal services. i think his work with special olympics with my mom when he was chairman of the board where he took that all around the world, where the international games were held in shanghai. he and my brother were best b buddies. there's no way to pick. the peace corps is what he's really well known for and he
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loved being around them. joyful every day. and i think, you know, they all made a difference in different ways. what he really believed in was the gospel call for social justice, helping the poor, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and then through all efforts to do that whether it was special olympics, trying to overcome the laws of prejudice and misunderstanding of people with developmental disabilities or whether it was the peace corps. these are all efforts to see faith in action. >> it was a common thread. >> absolutely. the guy was really consistent throughout his entire life and his life is really the history of the 20th secentury. his family survived the depression after the family declared bankruptcy, he volunteered in world war ii. before pearl harbor. he was committed to the country and committed to trying to make a difference. >> talk about the humility he experienced in the 1976 when he made a run for president. what did your dad take away from his foray into having your name
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at the top of the ballot the? >> i think every opportunity for him whether it went well or not was a chance to do good. i know that sounds corny, but after i ran for congress and lost, he treated me the exact same way as when i was elected to the house of delegates in the maryland legislature. i think he must have been disappointed when he lost. but he never said it. he never would sit around and complain about what could have been, whether he could have been vice president with lyndon johnson in '64 or run in '68. he never complained about lost opportunities or losing experiences. i think he saw them as a chance to learn and move forward. i mean, the guy really never complained. i used to bring my college buddies over, have a cigar and have some fun. he never complained after he had a glass of wine. he was joyful and he was looking forward to the next day. >> the book is "a good man: rediscovering my father sargent shriver." mark shriver, thank you. >> thanks for having me. i appreciate it.
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>> 45 past the hour. time now for a check on business before the bell with cnbc's brian sullivan live at cnbc global headquarters. brian, what does wall street look like? >> you know, it's fairly flat. >> flat. >> that's your signal -- that's the bad rush pun there. sorry, mika. it's pretty much flat. we are in a holding pattern waiting on europe. an emergency g-7 group called about an hour ago. didn't get any major headlines. spain is out there warning it's losing access to the credit markets. they continue to talk. there continues to be a number of plans floated. nothing firm at least as far as the grandmaster plan has come out yet. a lot of little fixes here and there but right now we're looking at a pretty tough time still, guys, and wall street is in a holding pattern waiting on that. >> two other quig notes, facebook, are you over it yet? >> i'm not on it but i think i'm the only one apparently. we had a guy on cnbc yesterday
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that thinks facebook is doomed. he says he doesn't think it will go out of business but he thinks it will shrink massively because of mobile. if you are on facebook and you go on your iphone, your android phone, whatever it is, there's not a lot of room for advertisements, me kachlt that's how they make their money. this guy's point was that until facebook figures out its mobile strategy, learns how to monetize better, they could be in trouble. i don't know why they don't charge a subscription fee, 99 cents. i'm sure someone would pay that. >> you probably saw it on the business section of the "new york times," disney is banning junk food ads. a little bit more complicated than that. they have to wait a certain amount of time but they are thinking about nutrition and children. are we turning a corner here when it comes to corporations? >> mika, we have to. one-third of kids are overweight or obese, right? one-third. they will be on diabetes drugs their whole life, somebody has to do something. i tip my hat to disney. they are banning certain sugary foods that don't meet their guidelines in terms of tv ads, web ads, et cetera. the question is, what are the guidelines?
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i've got to try to figure out how to vote for my people, how ashamed you should be. you should be ashamed of yourselves. i'm sick of it. every year. >> a bit of a problem there. we need more of that. time to talk about what we learned today, willie. >> i learned we have a three-hour show but there's not time enough in the day to talk to john lewis, what a pleasure and honor to have him sitting there. >> a reminder of what a great man he is and a reminder today of what happens courtesy chuck todd when he gets on the wrong side of mommy. >> yeah. don't do that and watch how the
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